Chuck Pagano

[TrueRaven1327]

i really like how this guy is talking.this defense is gonna be all over the field.i see lots of sacks and more turnovers.he talks about opposing offense looking like their gonna see 14 or 15 guys on the defense.that's flying around the ball and making plays

[scrock]

The more aggressive the defense the more likely the chance big plays can happen against us, I don't know if anyone else remembers but that happened quite a bit with Rex Ryan calling the plays.

It's a good pressure defense for sure, but because of that we were open to the big play.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312389185' post='733559']
The more aggressive the defense the more likely the chance big plays can happen against us, I don't know if anyone else remembers but that happened quite a bit with Rex Ryan calling the plays.

It's a good pressure defense for sure, but because of that we were open to the big play.
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Sure, there is a balance of being over aggressive but overly passive is also a major problem. However being aggressive has a better chance of big plays happening on both sides of the ball (for and against us).

[scrock]

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Sure, there is a balance of being over aggressive but overly passive is also a major problem. However being aggressive has a better chance of big plays happening on both sides of the ball (for and against us).
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One thing I do hate is once we have a lead how we stop being aggressive and start playing that famous 'prevent defense'...thats horrible, i scream at the tv

[xxhighriser]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312389185' post='733559']
The more aggressive the defense the more likely the chance big plays can happen against us, I don't know if anyone else remembers but that happened quite a bit with Rex Ryan calling the plays.

It's a good pressure defense for sure, but because of that we were open to the big play.
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was being less aggressive last year working? i'd rather see more blitzes because those higher sacks and pressure will lead to more to's/defensive touchdowns which will offset the big plays

[ThunderPig317]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312389185' post='733559']
The more aggressive the defense the more likely the chance big plays can happen against us, I don't know if anyone else remembers but that happened quite a bit with Rex Ryan calling the plays.

It's a good pressure defense for sure, but because of that we were open to the big play.
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But I would rather have a defense that gives up an occasional big play, but shuts down opposing offenses a majority of the time. That is better than having other teams grind away at us slowly. Plus, this type of defense gives us the opportunity for our own big plays too.

[scrock]

[quote name='xxhighriser' timestamp='1312389897' post='733572']
was being less aggressive last year working? i'd rather see more blitzes because those higher sacks and pressure will lead to more to's/defensive touchdowns which will offset the big plays
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well we brought pressure at times last year and it just never got home, like i said above the defense gave up leads once we had the lead and started playing it safe...we werent the most aggressive to begin with but once we had a lead last year Greg called off the dogs completely

[dirtybird10]

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One thing I do hate is once we have a lead how we stop being aggressive and start playing that famous 'prevent defense'...thats horrible, i scream at the tv
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Nothing makes me sicker. Last season was just one 2nd half meltdown after another, with both sides of the ball being complacent. Drove me nuts! The Texans game comes to mind.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312390061' post='733576']
well we brought pressure at times last year and it just never got home, like i said above the defense gave up leads once we had the lead and started playing it safe...we werent the most aggressive to begin with but once we had a lead last year Greg called off the dogs completely
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Yea Mattison did blitz and you are right after a lead we became a more "just keep the clock winding down" mentality. However, one thing I did not like about Mattison even when he was blitzing was that things seemed far to obvious and almost vanilla. It just seemed nothing was exotic, or keeping the Qb's guessing who was coming.

[scrock]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1312390235' post='733581']
Yea Mattison did blitz and you are right after a lead we became a more "just keep the clock winding down" mentality. However, one thing I did not like about Mattison even when he was blitzing was that things seemed far to obvious and almost vanilla. It just seemed nothing was exotic, or keeping the Qb's guessing who was coming.
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i just got the feelin with Mattison that he is much more a inside the box coach, he doesnt do fancy things or exotic things, he's like a base defense guy and maybe a wrinkle here or there...big change from Rex

[dirtybird10]

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i just got the feelin with Mattison that he is much more a inside the box coach, he doesnt do fancy things or exotic things, he's like a base defense guy and maybe a wrinkle here or there...big change from Rex
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I agree, Mattison was a pretty effective coordinator, but he was not the type of Ravens D we all got to know and love. Nothing flashy, no mind games, just more old school defense that got a little too conservative at times IMO.

[Militant X 1]

i hope Pagano brings it defensively! we'll see!

~Mili

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

I think that Ed Reed said that Mattison's schemes required players to stay in their assignment for longer periods. This was supposed to allow blitzes to develop. Unfortunately the players didn't have faith in the ideal and didn't stay on task long enough.

Not defending Mattison. I liked the Organized Chaos mentality prior to his arrival. Hoping that Pagano uses the tools he has to keep QBs guessing and leery of holding the ball. Pressure makes folks do dumb things. Dumb things in the air lead to Ed Reed pick 6.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I heard paganos flavor D is going to be much more reminiscent of the 2000 D and a splash of organized Chaos. what can we call this d , only time will Tell if it goes back to being hehehe RAVENOUSE

[jdynamite]

I for one can't wait to see what the defense performs like under him... Because although I know the numbers showed we were still top 10 defenses the last 2 seasons it hardly seemed like at times. In the past I was accustom to seeing a game changing pass interference called on the DBs being left in man coverage ( C.Ivy, F.Walker ). Our aggression and undisciplined play at times cost us big in games..

Under Mattison our conservative "prevent" approach also was very predictable.. I know Mattison blitzed a lot last year but a lot of the blitzes were predictable, weren't creative.. And when will people realize the prevent defense does not prevent scoring, it may allow for longer drives because of defenders having the offense catch passes in a zone in front of them.

[CapoRocky]

If we win, then Pagano will look like a saint in this town. If we lose, then he will take all the heat like Cameron.

[hawkprey]

The difference between Rex Ryan and Chuck Pagano is Chuck was a DB coach (and Rex was a DL coach, right?). I don't expect us to get burned with passes no matter how many times we put pressure on the quarterback because I'm sure in the back of his mind, his first priority is the backfield.

His knowledge of our CBs and safeties should allow him to be more aggressive than Mattison without getting us torched for big gains.

[kiwi_raven]

as long as i dont see any 3 man rush action ill be fine, otherwise there is an imminent danger of a brick going through my tv screen

[ravensfan2430]

I have a good feeling about Pagano. I like everything I have heard/ seen so far.

[Gordo52]

I want him to be a future head coach in a few years! lol.

[AsianRice]

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I want him to be a future head coach in a few years! lol.
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That was actually running in my head.....

[ellicottraven]

Well all we can hope for is creativity in his schemes and mostly not allowing defenses to read what we are planning. That was great about Rex Ryan's genius - he was so crazy that he threw offenses for a loop every time! I hope Pagano can emulate some of that.


On a lighter note, listening to the Pagano press conference, I couldn't help but wonder if this guy ever needed a job outside of football, he would get one on the 'Sopranos' in a heart beat!

[da#1ravensfan]

We going to dominate the league with this new defense that we installed with Chuck Pagano. He might be more aggressive on defense than Rex was when he was the dc.

[TrueRaven1327]

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We going to dominate the league with this new defense that we installed with Chuck Pagano. He might be more aggressive on defense than Rex was when he was the dc.
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[Kwothdaraven]

I highly doubt we will see the prevent d this year. Thank god

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='da#1ravensfan' timestamp='1312492411' post='735556']
We going to dominate the league with this new defense that we installed with Chuck Pagano. He might be more aggressive on defense than Rex was when he was the dc.
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Idk if I would want an even more aggressive defense. We did get burned a lot.

[Ravens Lover]

You know he is going to be good when the players see how much more aggressive he is in practice, can't wait!

[Kwothdaraven]

He also seems to be a mans man, players coach type guy that the players will follow

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='TrueRaven1327' timestamp='1312388823' post='733549']
i really like how this guy is talking.this defense is gonna be all over the field.i see lots of sacks and more turnovers.he talks about opposing offense looking like their gonna see 14 or 15 guys on the defense.that's flying around the ball and making plays
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Makes me smile just thinking about it, the way the DC talks, reminds me of the 2000 defense where the offense never knew what was coming.

[Ravensfan23]

I think the main difference between Pagano and Mattison is the approach to pressuring the QB.

Mattison believes in getting pressure with the defensive line, while Pagano will get pressure with any and everyone who is capable of rushing the QB.

Because of Mattison's approach over the last couple of seasons, some unfavorable moves have been made with the personnel on this defense. If you believe in getting pressure with your front 4, then you move all of ur best pass rushers to the inside and DL of your defense.

McClain was moved from oustide to ILB, Barnes was cut because he didn't really fit what Mattison wanted to do, and Kruger was moved to DE. The OLB in Mattison's defense isn't meant to get pressure, so keeping guys like McClain, Barnes, and Kruger on the outside was pointless. With those guys you want them rushing the QB at least 80% of the time. In Mattison's defense their responsibility would have been to stack the run and cover at the OLB position. So they were moved to better maximize their talents.

With Pagano, the OLB better be able to rush the passer when needed or he won't be on the field. Point Blank. I've watched the short clips of practice on BR.com and Kruger has been spending most of his time with the LBs, not DL. Actually I haven't seen him with the DL once. But it's only a small sample, but I'll definitely be looking out for him tomorrow.

I think the difference between Mattison and Pagano is really showing up even in practice. Prescott Burgess has been JJ's backup at OLB for the last 3 years. However he offers little to no pass rush, so instead of putting him in positions were he won't succeed, Pagano has moved him to ILB. Well at least I hope its a permanent move.

Kruger isn't a full time DE, like Art Jones and Redding, so moving him outside would allow him to fully utilize his talents.

Guys like Pollard, Nakamura, Webb, Zibby, and maybe even Cary Williams will see a lot of blitzes this year. Something that Mattison didn't do much of.

From what I've heard and seen so far, I'm expecting huge things from the defense this year.