Ha Ha browns

[Guest Birdfan]

Neil, did you forget this?

[Neil]

Neil, did you forget this?

Nah. I have faith that down the road, Boller's gonna be the man, and those flashes of brilliance are going to pan out.

[Drkraven]

Nah. I have faith that down the road, Boller's gonna be the man, and those flashes of brilliance are going to pan out.

So I'm not the only one?

[Neil]

So I'm not the only one?

Nope. Kyle Boller belief is a natural, healthy emotion. Boller is just a classic quarterback: The guy needs a year or two with a clipboard to settle him down.

[Tiz]

So I'm not the only one?

on drugs? No you're not the only one

Neil I still hold out hope for Boller too I just think he needs to control his nerves when he gets it. Last year when he came in for Mcnair he seemed a lil too amped up.

[Reed_4_President]

Good discussions going on here, both the one about "what is smack" and the one about the challenges the Browns face.

Defining "smack" is pretty difficult...that's more of a "I'll know it when I see it" kind of thing. In general, though, saying that the Ravens are better than the Browns is NOT smack (and is, in fact, true). Starting a thread entitled "Ha Ha Browns" and referring to them as an ugly puppy is pushing the limits, though, because it can be considered inflammatory (designed to annoy Browns fans). Please notice that we left the thread alive. We just wanted to tell you that you're AT the line, don't cross it.

Who is at the line I don't know if your referring to me but I didn't start this topic nor call them an ugly puppy but then again I'm sure its not directed towards me just thought maybe so since yesterday something I had said I beleive you took it as smack about them not ever going to the SB and who would want to be a brown they stink or w.e I said.

[Reed_4_President]

Nope. Kyle Boller belief is a natural, healthy emotion. Boller is just a classic quarterback: The guy needs a year or two with a clipboard to settle him down.

A year or two? the guy has had many years and chance's to prove himself it's time to let him go and move on.... he has so much money from bein a PRO QB but in my opinion doesn't deserve the million's he has he hasn't shown much I notice except trippin over his shoelaces and trying to run the ball for no gains and seems to always fumble snaps.

[BrownsFan]

No doubt. The single stupidest thing that GMs and owners do is can coaches after only a season or two. Really, to take a team as consistently messed up as the Browns have been, and bring them back to glory is something that takes more than a season, especially if you don't have the right personel. With the off-season the Browns just had, they deserve to give Crennel at least two more seasons.

I couldn't really agree more. The Lerner family while they're tried to make a good franchise really made some poor personnel decisions and we're just getting past all of it really. All these people talk about Crennel should be fired if they start bad and in my eyes that's a load of crap. The man deserves at least two more seasons to me to right the ship.

[BrownsFan]

Good discussions going on here, both the one about "what is smack" and the one about the challenges the Browns face.

Defining "smack" is pretty difficult...that's more of a "I'll know it when I see it" kind of thing. In general, though, saying that the Ravens are better than the Browns is NOT smack (and is, in fact, true). Starting a thread entitled "Ha Ha Browns" and referring to them as an ugly puppy is pushing the limits, though, because it can be considered inflammatory (designed to annoy Browns fans). Please notice that we left the thread alive. We just wanted to tell you that you're AT the line, don't cross it.

Appreciate the thread staying open Birdman and thanks for the information.

[Tiz]

I couldn't really agree more. The Lerner family while they're tried to make a good franchise really made some poor personnel decisions and we're just getting past all of it really. All these people talk about Crennel should be fired if they start bad and in my eyes that's a load of crap. The man deserves at least two more seasons to me to right the ship.

I'm not so sure he's the right man for the job but considering what you had to work with I understand and agree that it's not fair to rush and judge him.

I think there's some potential there but I don't think it helps Romeo when you have Mike Nolan showing steady progress with the Niners

[BrownsFan]

I'm not so sure he's the right man for the job but considering what you had to work with I understand and agree that it's not fair to rush and judge him.

I think there's some potential there but I don't think it helps Romeo when you have Mike Nolan showing steady progress with the Niners

Well whether or not he's the right man still remains to be seen.. I just don't believe they should can him during this season either. Our team while we were bad personnel wise was also a huge mess. After the lucky '02 season it was Free Agent Dropoff time and everyone left the team because prior management (Collins/Clark/Policy) couldn't manage a team properly and really until last season, we were STILL paying for those mistakes. With that being said I just believe Crennel needs at least this year and next to prove himself and show what he can do. And if he can't do it, then by all means see ya.

Also a good point with the Niners and while I don't dispute that they're not an up and coming team, I wonder if any of their success could be put on the fact that they do play in the clear as day weaker NFC? I dunno I didn't follow them much so just throwing that out there and if that's not the case then so be it.

[Tiz]

Also a good point with the Niners and while I don't dispute that they're not an up and coming team, I wonder if any of their success could be put on the fact that they do play in the clear as day weaker NFC? I dunno I didn't follow them much so just throwing that out there and if that's not the case then so be it.

Without Question they benefit from that, which adds to SF's Success and eventual Playoff chance hurting Romeo.

I recall a bunch of Niner fans actually wanting Romeo instead of Nolan and can only imagine what Nolan's perceived success can do to arm the Anti-Romeo people that Cleveland probably has.

[BrownsFan]

Without Question they benefit from that, which adds to SF's Success and eventual Playoff chance hurting Romeo.

I recall a bunch of Niner fans actually wanting Romeo instead of Nolan and can only imagine what Nolan's perceived success can do to arm the Anti-Romeo people that Cleveland probably has.

And believe you me there are tons of them. I mean maybe he won't be the guy in Cleveland but seriously, can you really evaluate him that much over his past two seasons? Is there really any coach that would of done better? Things are starting to rebound a bit so I say let's see where it goes from here.

Besides.. the big rumor now in Cleveland is Cowher as our next head coach next year when Crennel gets canned.

[Tiz]

And believe you me there are tons of them. I mean maybe he won't be the guy in Cleveland but seriously, can you really evaluate him that much over his past two seasons? Is there really any coach that would of done better? Things are starting to rebound a bit so I say let's see where it goes from here.

Besides.. the big rumor now in Cleveland is Cowher as our next head coach next year when Crennel gets canned.

Any one bring up the Bellichek issue in defense of Romeo..i.e. a guy who was viewed as not being able to cut it as a HC under the Browns was fired during the transition to Baltimore and now has so many journalist on his jock he gives out chapstick for christmas.

[Neil]

Without Question they benefit from that, which adds to SF's Success and eventual Playoff chance hurting Romeo.

I recall a bunch of Niner fans actually wanting Romeo instead of Nolan and can only imagine what Nolan's perceived success can do to arm the Anti-Romeo people that Cleveland probably has.

Yeah. Nolan has had the good fortunte to be in a division where almost everyone is rebuilding, and the one team who isn't is the Seattle Seahawks, who have a reputation for softness. On the other hand, Crennel is leading his team in a division where the Steelers and Ravens have been strong for years, and the Bengals are putting together a real top-flight contender. Moreover, Nolan took over a team that was positioned to improve, and was just missing a few key guys. Cleveland had a lot of bad luck with their draft picks and free agents when Crennel took over. Folks would get hurt doing stupid things, or in training camp, or just turn out to be busts. And then, worst of all, they drafted a TE from Miami, which in my view is always a mistake.

Crennel had further to go, up a much steeper slope.

[Tiz]

Yeah. Nolan has had the good fortunte to be in a division where almost everyone is rebuilding, and the one team who isn't is the Seattle Seahawks, who have a reputation for softness. On the other hand, Crennel is leading his team in a division where the Steelers and Ravens have been strong for years, and the Bengals are putting together a real top-flight contender. Moreover, Nolan took over a team that was positioned to improve, and was just missing a few key guys. Cleveland had a lot of bad luck with their draft picks and free agents when Crennel took over. Folks would get hurt doing stupid things, or in training camp, or just turn out to be busts. And then, worst of all, they drafted a TE from Miami, which in my view is always a mistake.

Crennel had further to go, up a much steeper slope.

I agree with most except the belief that SF was missing a few key guys. It was a 2-14 team he took over with no playmaking talent. He's pretty much cleaned house and has done his work via the draft and some smart trades.

He's got new skill position players on offense at all spots. New WRs, New TE, New RB and new QB. He's made changes to the OL with the biggest acquisition being Larry Allen.

Defensively he found and has helped Brandon Moore excel and he acquired Walt Harris last year who had a big INT year for him. Really the only left over on that defense from the year before he took over that produced both before and after is Bryant Young who had a spectacular first year in Nolan's 34.

They were in cap hell when he took over and via trades with Washington and even with SD to get rid of dead weight helped them alot, well that and drafting Frank Gore in the 3rd round Nolan's first year.

[Reed_4_President]

I couldn't really agree more. The Lerner family while they're tried to make a good franchise really made some poor personnel decisions and we're just getting past all of it really. All these people talk about Crennel should be fired if they start bad and in my eyes that's a load of crap. The man deserves at least two more seasons to me to right the ship.

Not trying to toss anyone under a truck but Crennel seem's like a horrible coach think the owner should let him go and go after Cowher.. being that there is a rumor going around he may be coaching in Cleveland if the spot open's up.

It Would be a nice add on with the good pick's you guys had this year in the draft I see the browns going places soon enough you guy's will be a tuff opponent and I hope things go up for your team.

The Browns are the only rival team I can really stand these day's....

[Reed_4_President]

I agree with most except the belief that SF was missing a few key guys. It was a 2-14 team he took over with no playmaking talent. He's pretty much cleaned house and has done his work via the draft and some smart trades.

He's got new skill position players on offense at all spots. New WRs, New TE, New RB and new QB. He's made changes to the OL with the biggest acquisition being Larry Allen.

Defensively he found and has helped Brandon Moore excel and he acquired Walt Harris last year who had a big INT year for him. Really the only left over on that defense from the year before he took over that produced both before and after is Bryant Young who had a spectacular first year in Nolan's 34.

They were in cap hell when he took over and via trades with Washington and even with SD to get rid of dead weight helped them alot, well that and drafting Frank Gore in the 3rd round Nolan's first year.

I love Billick but I would have loved if Nolan before the move to San Fran became the head coach for our beloved Raven's, I use to be friends with his son I met in school and Mike is a super super nice guy very very down to earth, loved how he was rocking the suit this year! forgot which game it was but that was awesome.