Backup QB?

[MBMinor]

Hate to sound like a broken record but if Peter King AND Cam Cameron are impressed with Tyrod, I don't think you guys have to worry.
Trust me, I've been watching him for the past 4 years: he's evolved into a QB you can trust with the ball, and makes great quick decisions on blitzes.
The ONLY suspect thing about him is when the defense drops into a full zone ( rushing only 3) is when Ty gets sort of bewildered. But in my opinion, NFL coaches primarily focus on teaching QB's how to read zone moreso than anything else.

The kid's good enough, I can promise you. Give him a chance and he'll shine. Just wait til the first pre-season game.

The biggest thing he's got going is that he's got confidence exactly like Aaron Rodgers does: calm and collected all game, which is the most important thing an NFL QB can have

[PuRock]

[quote name='MBMinor' timestamp='1312437350' post='734514']
Hate to sound like a broken record but if Peter King AND Cam Cameron are impressed with Tyrod, I don't think you guys have to worry.
Trust me, I've been watching him for the past 4 years: he's evolved into a QB you can trust with the ball, and makes great quick decisions on blitzes.
The ONLY suspect thing about him is when the defense drops into a full zone ( rushing only 3) is when Ty gets sort of bewildered. But in my opinion, NFL coaches primarily focus on teaching QB's how to read zone moreso than anything else.

The kid's good enough, I can promise you. Give him a chance and he'll shine. Just wait til the first pre-season game.

The biggest thing he's got going is that he's got confidence exactly like Aaron Rodgers does: calm and collected all game, which is the most important thing an NFL QB can have
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5 posts and they are all about Tyrod. So I take it your a groupie and not a Ravens fan?

I like Tyrod and I hope he shines. Right now, Flacco is our QB. I'm just hoping Tyrod groupie madness doesn't poke at every corner and bad game that he should be the starter.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1312464059' post='734680']
[b]5 posts and they are all about Tyrod. So I take it your a groupie and not a Ravens fan?[/b]

I like Tyrod and I hope he shines. Right now, Flacco is our QB. [b]I'm just hoping Tyrod groupie madness doesn't poke at every corner and bad game that he should be the starter.[/b][/quote]

as a Virginian and VT Hokies fan and someone from Tyrod's local area here....i absolutely love Tyrod Taylor's gameplay and know what he brings to this Ravens team! but my sincere question is this:

why can't people (we Ravens fans) be impressed with and like Tyrod Taylor as a Raven without it meaning that they are "groupies" and that they dislike Joe Flacco or expect Tyrod to be the starter over Joe? that doesn't make sense! all of you cats that keep bringing this stuff up in your posts are actually feuling that idea in here imo.

Tyrod was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens for a reason! the FO saw something in him then and now in training camp that has impressed them...period! Tyrod will be a solid BACKUP QB! noticed what i said...BACKUP QB!! NO ONE expects him to be the starter or to replace Joe Flacco.....so please just stop all of this foolishness!

~Mili

[PuRock]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1312470707' post='734808']
why can't people be impressed with and like Tyrod Taylor without it meaning that they are "groupies" and they dislike Joe Flacco or expect him to be the starter over Joe? all of you cats that keep bringing this stuff up in your posts are actually feuling that idea in here.

Tyrod was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens for a reason! the FO saw something in him then and now in training camp that has impressed them. Tyrod will be a solid BACKUP! noticed what i said...BACKUP!! NO ONE expects him to be the starter or to replace Joe Flacco.....so please just stop all of this foolishness!

~Mili
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I have no problem with that. I'm impressed with him and I think he will be a good back-up as well. But this poster has stated he isn't a fan of any NFL team. He's a fan of Tyrod. Meaning he's a groupie and will probably stay around urging us to start Tyrod at every bad game Flacco has.

[quote]I'm new to this forum, and the reason is because i'm now a Raven fan and following the greatest quarterback to ever come out of Virginia Tech (yes, I believe he has the potential to be even better than Vick).[/quote]

I know he hasn't said anything about replacing the starter. He's just sticking up for Tyrod. Which is cool. But its usually only a matter of time.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1312471252' post='734832']
I have no problem with that. I'm impressed with him and I think he will be a good back-up as well. [b]But this poster has stated he isn't a fan of any NFL team. He's a fan of Tyrod. Meaning he's a groupie and will probably stay around urging us to start Tyrod at every bad game Flacco has. [/b][/quote]

thanks for the clarity PuRock!

again, as a Virginian, a VT Hokie fan i already know the caliber of player Tyrod is and will be for the Ravens. to me, the best of both of my worlds (VT and the Ravens) have come together with Tyrod's signing.

However, i don't expect Tyrod to be the starter. this is Joe Flacco team! period! and i like Joe and expect him to have a monster season this year. to me, my boy Tyrod will be a great addition to this team and will learn alot from Joe and he will be a great asset to help our team win whenever he is called upon!

~Mili

[PuRock]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1312471828' post='734844']
thanks for the clarity PuRock!

again, as a Virginian, a VT Hokie fan i already know the caliber of player Tyrod is and will be for the Ravens. to me, the best of both of my worlds (VT and the Ravens) have come together with Tyrod's signing.

However, i don't expect Tyrod to be the starter. this is Joe Flacco team! period! and i like Joe and expect him to have a monster season this year. to me, my boy Tyrod will be a great addition to this team and will learn alot from Joe and he will be a great asset to help our team win whenever he is called upon!

~Mili
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Those are my sentiments exactly. I really do love the Tyrod signing and I think he could be very good at the NFL level. I've always like guys like Tyrod because they can help move the ball better behind struggling O-Lines.

Here's my feelings on the backup situation:

Its tough for QBs to make the transition to the NFL immediately, especially with shortened offseasons. A lot of new terminologies and plays to learn. Its not an easy thing like some people would suggest. That's why I don't know if TT is currently the best option as the #1 back-up. I have no doubt his athleticism is up to the task. But the speed and language of the NFL is a tough transition.

I would probably prefer to get TT some time under his belt. If Flacco goes down week 1, we don't want to suffer through a potential learning curve. When we know this team can win now.

But I don't really see a better option out there currently. But we'll have to see the cuts.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='MBMinor' timestamp='1312437350' post='734514']
Hate to sound like a broken record but if Peter King AND Cam Cameron are impressed with Tyrod, I don't think you guys have to worry.
Trust me, I've been watching him for the past 4 years: he's evolved into a QB you can trust with the ball, and makes great quick decisions on blitzes.
[b]The ONLY suspect thing about him is when the defense drops into a full zone ( rushing only 3) is when Ty gets sort of bewildered.[/b] But in my opinion, NFL coaches primarily focus on teaching QB's how to read zone moreso than anything else.

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I stopped reading here. I remember when Dixon started for the Steelers against us. He was doing well. Then we dropped into a zone. Kid couldn't complete another pass. He had no idea how to read a zone defense. This is a pretty big "suspect thing" IMHO.

[MBMinor]

Trust me, sayin something like "Tyrod should start over Joe Flacco" would lead to immediate account ban/neverending harassment.
As you can gather, i'm a diehard VT fan, and made a promise to root for whatever team picked him up.

He's hokienation's version of Tebow (w/o all the crying and premature statues/plaques).

Sorry if my excitedness got in the way lol

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='MBMinor' timestamp='1312484273' post='735286']
Trust me, sayin something like "Tyrod should start over Joe Flacco" would lead to immediate account ban/neverending harassment.
As you can gather, i'm a diehard VT fan, and made a promise to root for whatever team picked him up.

He's hokienation's version of Tebow (w/o all the crying and premature statues/plaques).

Sorry if my excitedness got in the way lol
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as a Virginian from Tyrod's local area; i too, am a diehard VT Hokies fan just like i am a diehard Ravens fan. but, to say that Tyrod should start over Joe Flacco is idiotic. Joe is our QB...period! he's the man! Tyrod (as much as we love his gameplay and style) is nothing more than Joe's backup. let's let him learn the offense, the system and how things are done in the NFL instead of "trying" to crown him the Ravens starter bruh.

just be happy that our boy Tyrod is in the NFL....and for me....on my favorite pro team....BALTIMORE RAVENS!!

~Mili

[The Prestige]

I think Tyrod Taylor is late-2nd talent that could be a future starter.

The fact is: the Ravens need to look at back-up QB not just for the "get us by" scenarios, but for the "win us a Super Bowl" scenario. The Cowboys were prepared for this last year (while the rest of the team was undisciplined and the scheme and play were terrible). The Eagles were ready, too. Bill Belichick was prepared for this with Cassel - who had spent several years learning behind Brady - in 2008. The Ravens undoubtedly were ready for this, giving big money to a savvy, experienced, strong-armed back-up in Bulger.

ALSO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T LEAVE TYROD TAYLOR AT #2 IF THEY SIGN ONE OF THESE GUYS. All I'm saying is that quarterback is too important to risk it.

As much as the media will mock these options, I'm convinced the Ravens should sign one of them:

Chris Simms

Daunte Culpepper

Colt Brennan

Josh McCown

Trent Edwards

Jonathan Crompton

Jeff Garcia has not been someone who likes being a back-up, but I also think he hates training camp. If you were to sign him, give him a playbook, and give him 10-14 days with either an imaginary injury or excused absence, he might sign up.

All I'm saying is, if Flacco goes on IR, the season doesn't have to be over. It just makes sense to shell out the veteran minimum for someone who could
a. go in a game if Tyrod is having a hard time figuring out what the defense is doing; one loss can be the difference between homefield and going on the road
b. take over for the rest of the season if Tyrod can't run the whole offense effectively

Their plan seems to be to wait until Flacco gets hurt, sign a vet, and try to win with Tyrod Taylor for at least a few weeks. I do think the defense is good enough to win with a flawed quarterback.

[jimmysmith3]

I would like to see us just let Tyrod handle the duties or at least give him a chance in the preseason before we go out and sign someone when we could use that money to shore up the offensive line so that we won't have to go to Tyrod anyways if we protect Flacco. It would also help the run game out as well.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1312502103' post='735787']
I think Tyrod Taylor is late-2nd talent that could be a future starter.

The fact is: the Ravens need to look at back-up QB not just for the "get us by" scenarios, but for the "win us a Super Bowl" scenario. The Cowboys were prepared for this last year (while the rest of the team was undisciplined and the scheme and play were terrible). The Eagles were ready, too. Bill Belichick was prepared for this with Cassel - who had spent several years learning behind Brady - in 2008. The Ravens undoubtedly were ready for this, giving big money to a savvy, experienced, strong-armed back-up in Bulger.

ALSO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T LEAVE TYROD TAYLOR AT #2 IF THEY SIGN ONE OF THESE GUYS. All I'm saying is that quarterback is too important to risk it.

As much as the media will mock these options, I'm convinced the Ravens should sign one of them:

Chris Simms

Daunte Culpepper

Colt Brennan

Josh McCown

Trent Edwards

Jonathan Crompton

Jeff Garcia has not been someone who likes being a back-up, but I also think he hates training camp. If you were to sign him, give him a playbook, and give him 10-14 days with either an imaginary injury or excused absence, he might sign up.

All I'm saying is, if Flacco goes on IR, the season doesn't have to be over. It just makes sense to shell out the veteran minimum for someone who could
a. go in a game if Tyrod is having a hard time figuring out what the defense is doing; one loss can be the difference between homefield and going on the road
b. take over for the rest of the season if Tyrod can't run the whole offense effectively

Their plan seems to be to wait until Flacco gets hurt, sign a vet, and try to win with Tyrod Taylor for at least a few weeks. I do think the defense is good enough to win with a flawed quarterback.
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only one i'd even CONSIDER looking at from this list is Edwards. And honestly, I think i'd be more comfortable with Taylor and the unpredictability factor if he had to step in, kinda like Dennis Dixon did for the steelers last year, teams not being able to game plan against him.

[scrock]

Well its not Tyrod Taylor, I believe he threw pick #3 just minutes ago...the Ravens have some pieces they need to work into the roster, OL depth and a veteran WR to help out Boldin

Pitta looked goo though...and if the OL gets strong Joe can do work

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313114204' post='746306']
[b]Well its not Tyrod Taylor, I believe he threw pick #3 just minutes ago[/b]...the Ravens have some pieces they need to work into the roster, OL depth and a veteran WR to help out Boldin

Pitta looked goo though...and if the OL gets strong Joe can do work
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it's preseason bruh! sure, 3 picks is horrible for my boy Tyrod in his Ravens debut but he wasn't by himself tonight. we looked bad overall as a unit. we definitely got work to do...that is for sure!

~Mili

[FerrariFan87]

Ozzie needs to call Mr. Bulger.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1313115730' post='746511']
it's preseason bruh! sure, 3 picks is horrible for my boy Tyrod in his Ravens debut but he wasn't by himself tonight. we looked bad overall as a unit. we definitely got work to do...that is for sure!

~Mili
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I know it's preseason and all that but he couldn't keep up. The game was moving too fast for him. He looked better in his last drive but he is not ready to be our #2 go-to guy. We need to find a serviceable vet for this season.

[scrock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1313116783' post='746639']
Ozzie needs to call Mr. Bulger.
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or Joey Harrington lol

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'm not saying Tyrod is ready to be our 2nd stringer already. I'd love us to go out and get a vet. But Ty looked good out there. You can say he was lost early on, but his O line was terrible. Other than that, he made good reads and throws, some of which were dropped. He was really just getting out of dodge most of the night because the protection was just so bad. People will speak of the interceptions and write him off, but you have to admit, he did pretty well.

[mhead66]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1313117667' post='746741']
I'm not saying Tyrod is ready to be our 2nd stringer already. I'd love us to go out and get a vet. But Ty looked good out there. You can say he was lost early on, but his O line was terrible. Other than that, he made good reads and throws, some of which were dropped. He was really just getting out of dodge most of the night because the protection was just so bad. People will speak of the interceptions and write him off, but [b]you have to admit, he did pretty well[/b].
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Well...

He was playing behind his 2nd string OLine, against a 2nd string Defense.

Imagine him playing against the Steeler defense one month from today.

[b]He has potential, absolutely[/b]. But one hard hit on Flacco, and Tyrod would have to play against Harrison, Woodley and Polamalu.

And, he's not ready for that. He will be someday, but not yet.

[cookiedood]

For all of the Tyrod Taylor lovers out there, I have a news flash. He is not ready for prime time, and if Joe goes down in week #1 the season is over. He has a huge upside in potential, but this game is much faster than he is prepared for. I still believe that Bulger would return if they wanted him to. If not Bulger, then another nfl ready veteran. I believe that Taylor may one day be a top ranked nfl QB, but he needs a lot of sideline time in order to learn the game at this level. Ozzie and Harbaugh are committing NFL suicide if they go into this season with a rookie as backup.

[PuRock]

I'm glad Tryod came back in after going out with an injury. Because it left me feeling much better about him. He's got a lot of learning to do. Not forcing throws etc. But if we have an ailing line. I don't think we are going to find a much better guy out there than Tryod to make plays as a backup.

I'd still be worried if we'd have to rely on him for an extended period of time. But I just can't justify any option out there that would be better.

I think the team really wants Tryod to be #2. He's getting all the playing time, they want to give this kid experience fast.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1313118329' post='746790']
Well...

He was playing behind his 2nd string OLine, against a 2nd string Defense.

Imagine him playing against the Steeler defense one month from today.

[b]He has potential, absolutely[/b]. But one hard hit on Flacco, and Tyrod would have to play against Harrison, Woodley and Polamalu.

And, [b]he's not ready for that[/b]. He will be someday, but not yet.
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Of course not. Not saying he is, but I'm in no way writing him off.

[ravensfan160]

Considering how durable Joe has been so far in his career I was inclined to just let Taylor be our backup. After watching the game tonight and seeing that our issues on the offensive line have not been fixed we need to bring in somebody. Our QB's are going to get killed!

I seem to recall the number of teams that were forced to use 3 different QBs last year was in the double digits. Our terrible o-line might add us to that list this year. At least last year we could blame injuries. This year our regulars just stink. I'm looking at you Cousins.

[HTTR]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1313120893' post='746958']
Considering how durable Joe has been so far in his career I was inclined to just let Taylor be our backup. After watching the game tonight and seeing that our issues on the offensive line have not been fixed we need to bring in somebody. Our QB's are going to get killed!

I seem to recall the number of teams that were forced to use 3 different QBs last year was in the double digits. Our terrible o-line might add us to that list this year. At least last year we could blame injuries. This year our regulars just stink. I'm looking at you Cousins.
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And I don't think that is a knock against Tyrod. Look, I was not a fan of his or Josh Portis coming out of college. But their performances tonight showed something I didn't think either of them had.

Is Tyrod going to come out and drive the Ravens down the field against the Steelers? He can. He just needs some protection. The offensive line was horrible tonight for him. The Eagles kept the pressure on, but the o-line was terrible Yes, at times the speed of the game seemed a little too much for him tonight, but he settled in after getting pounded and made some good plays at the end. And at least one of the INT's was on the WR for allowing the defender to beat him to the ball on the goal line.

Sign Trent Edwards if they don't re-sign Bulger. Keep Tyrod around as the 3rd stringer this season and let him learn the NFL game.

Oh yeah, can Ozzie please dump Cam Cameron already! Alas, that won't happen this year. Ugh!

[RoflDogs]

Not worried about Tyrod. He'll get better as he gets more time in actual game situations