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[Gordo52]

Ravens resigned RG Marshall Yanda, CB Chris Carr and signed FB Vonte Leach to a 3 year, 11 million deal. Upgrading our Offense. But they released some veterans in Mason,Heap,Gregg, and McGahee. So far what are youre feelings about what Ozzie is currently doing. I really wanted Nnamdi, but Ozzie signing Leach basically makes me forget about him, and now im over it. Do any of you feel the same way?

[1/28/01]

The re-signing of Yanda and acquisition of Leach are good enough for me AT THIS JUNCTURE. I feel, as I've been saying, this is where Ozzie starts playing around and adds the missing pieces!

[T3hRaven]

Signing Vonta Leach and keeping Yanda makes us winners in free agency. Signing Randy Moss would solidify the receiving corps and that's the only remaining move I'd make, outside of getting a veteran for the OL cheap. With Osi's impending raise, he's not worth a second round pick or the cap space. We don't even know how much he could contribute in the 3-4, and I'd rather see Cleveland pick him up.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1312146119' post='729444']
Signing Vonta Leach and keeping Yanda makes us winners in free agency. Signing Randy Moss would solidify the receiving corps and that's the only remaining move I'd make, outside of getting a veteran for the OL cheap. With Osi's impending raise, he's not worth a second round pick or the cap space. We don't even know how much he could contribute in the 3-4, and I'd rather see Cleveland pick him up.
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If we couldnt get him I definetly dont want Cleveland to get him!

[poedacrow]

What's Up Ravens<3

I thought Aso coming here was a long shot but was really surprised that we didn't resign Josh Wilson or that we didn't go after Jonathan Joseph, David Marshall or Ike Taylor. Having said that, I'm happy we signed Yanda, Carr and our draft picks, especially Jimmy Smith. Paraphrasing the Stones, "you don't always get what you want, but somehow you get what you need."

I'm happy with FA...I think the Ravens are gonna be alright this year. Now sign Ngata and lets play some football!

[Gordo52]

[quote name='poedacrow' timestamp='1312146494' post='729456']
What's Up Ravens<3

I thought Aso coming here was a long shot but was really surprised that we didn't resign Josh Wilson or that we didn't go after Jonathan Joseph, David Marshall or Ike Taylor. Having said that, I'm happy we signed Yanda, Carr and our draft picks, especially Jimmy Smith. Paraphrasing the Stones, "you don't always get what you want, but somehow you get what you need."

I'm happy with FA...I think the Ravens are gonna be alright this year. Now sign Ngata and lets play some football!


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Agreed. But I think we need a veteran WR..And Idk how it happened, Maybe us signing Leach, But I totally forgot we resigned Carr. We are going to be so good.

[Ravenslifer]

The big concern with Osi is health. He's put up double digit sack numbers every time he's played a full season. He is also 30, so a long-term contract might be an issue. But I'd love to have him for the right price. A second-rounder might be a bit too steep for me though. If I knew he would stay healthy, I'd do it, but health issues may be one of the reasons a player of his caliber could be had for a second rounder.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1312147002' post='729461']
The big concern with Osi is health. He's put up double digit sack numbers every time he's played a full season. He is also 30, so a long-term contract might be an issue. But I'd love to have him for the right price. A second-rounder might be a bit too steep for me though. If I knew he would stay healthy, I'd do it, but health issues may be one of the reasons a player of his caliber could be had for a second rounder.
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I think it would be worth it. I think the second round pick number would be 64.

[poedacrow]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1312146801' post='729459']
Agreed. But I think we need a veteran WR..And Idk how it happened, Maybe us signing Leach, But I totally forgot we resigned Carr. We are going to be so good.
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Re: the veteran receiver...I'd like to resign Mason (lol, if he'll have us)as opposed to Moss because of his chemistry with Flacco. We are knee deep in young receivers (11 on the roster!) and I figure four or five make the roster plus another veteran alongside Boldin and we've got a "darn good" receiving corps to go along with our "darn good" QB

[ravensdfan]

After my initial irritation that we weren't doing anything at all, I was fine until today.

I just can't believe they let Heap go. I'm sorry, our young TEs are not ready. They have potential but they are definitely not there yet. Not to mention, they can't block.

And it is a sad, sad, sad day.

[arnie_uk]

[twitter]claytonESPN[/twitter]

Osi U told if they shop him if would be for a No.1 Pick..

I dont think hes worth a first wit his age and injury concerns, so i guess thats out..

[1/28/01]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1312151273' post='729585']
[twitter]claytonESPN[/twitter]

Osi U told if they shop him if would be for a No.1 Pick..

I dont think hes worth a first wit his age and injury concerns, so i guess thats out..
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Not worth a 1st or a 2nd. 4th conditional to a 3rd

[flynismo]

Well, let's break it down.We lose Josh Wilson from our secondary. We gain Foxworth. Call that a wash. We retained Webb and Carr. And we have added Jimmy and Chykie. Our CB are significantly better now.Replace Landry with Zibby at SS. Another wash.Adding Kindle to our LB crew. Huge upgrade. Our LB crew, just like our secondary, is now considerably better than last year.On the DL, we replace Gregg with a young and 'hungry' Cody. Cody should be better than what we saw from Gregg. At the very least, no worse.So, our pass rush looks like it will improve quite a bit, and our secondary should be much better in coverage.I think our defense will now perform at at least the level it did in 2008. And in 2008, we made it to the AFCCG on defense and running the ball alone. So take that 2008 defense, give that 2008 offense a much more mature and improved Flacco, replace Mason with Boldin from that roster, and you do the math on our SB chances.

[Gordo52]

I think theyre bluffin on the 1st round pick. Just so some team would trade him for that

[flynismo]

Too bad Osi doesn't play for ARI. They seem to like to make ridiculous trades (see Boldin and Kolb)

[Alexir]

I agree with 1/28/01 with the Signings of Yanda and Leach. I said "No" on the Poll however because I thought we should of went out for Donte Whitner , Roth and Cullen Jenkins. I am very happy with the UDFAs as well.

I think a 2nd round pick for Osi would be fine with me. We have done worse things with a 2nd round pick before (Kruger, Dan Cody).

Then I said Braylon Edwards only because he is younger. Moss and Mason are old; Moss lacks a consistent work ethic and Mason is a possession receiver, something our team doesn't lack. We need to stretch the field and blow the top off the defense. I will miss the Old "to the sticks and back" route of his but it's sadly time to move on.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1312148361' post='729496']
After my initial irritation that we weren't doing anything at all, I was fine until today.

I just can't believe they let Heap go. I'm sorry, our young TEs are not ready. They have potential but they are definitely not there yet. Not to mention, they can't block.

And it is a sad, sad, sad day.
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Todd Heap wasn't even consider an average blocker in his first couple of years. He had to work to become the blocker he was.

Here's something that might ease your thoughts about Dickson and Pitta playing a lot.

In 2001 Todd Heap was a rookie behind the soon to be HOF inductee Shannon Sharpe. Much like Ed Dickson, Todd Heap showed flashes in this rookie year. Heap's production that year was 16rec 206yds 12.9ypc 1TD. Those numbers are awfully similar to those of Dickson last season. 11rec 154yds 13.8ypc 1TD. Both guys had 1 playoff catch in their rookie years.

The next season(2002) the Ravens released Shannon Sharpe who returned to Denver for 2 more seasons. Todd Heap took over at TE and produced to the tune of 68rec, 836yds 12.3ypc 6TDs and he was our leading pass catcher.

So the Ravens have seen this movie before.

Now I'm not saying that Dickson is as good as Heap, although he is extremely talented.

Basically my point is just because Dickson and Pitta are in their 2nd years, doesn't automatically mean they aren't ready to step up and produce.

Also, I would venture to say that Ozzie knows the TE position very well. He would know more so then the coaches if the offense really "Needed" Todd Heap this year.

Heap wasn't just cut to save cap space, because if that's the case guys like JJ, Foxworth, and Birk would probably have been cut as well.

The Ravens cut Heap to save cap space, but also because they felt really strong about guys(mainly Dickson) behind Heap. Now it's time for those guys to make a name for themselves like Heap did back in 2002.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1312153179' post='729653']<br />Todd Heap wasn't even consider an average blocker in his first couple of years. He had to work to become the blocker he was. <br /><br />Here's something that might ease your thoughts about Dickson and Pitta playing a lot. <br /><br />In 2001 Todd Heap was a rookie behind the soon to be HOF inductee Shannon Sharpe. Much like Ed Dickson, Todd Heap showed flashes in this rookie year. Heap's production that year was 16rec 206yds 12.9ypc 1TD. Those numbers are awfully similar to those of Dickson last season. 11rec 154yds 13.8ypc 1TD. Both guys had 1 playoff catch in their rookie years. <br /><br />The next season(2002) the Ravens released Shannon Sharpe who returned to Denver for 2 more seasons. Todd Heap took over at TE and produced to the tune of 68rec, 836yds 12.3ypc 6TDs and he was our leading pass catcher. <br /><br />So the Ravens have seen this movie before. <br /><br />Now I'm not saying that Dickson is as good as Heap, although he is extremely talented. <br /><br />Basically my point is just because Dickson and Pitta are in their 2nd years, doesn't automatically mean they aren't ready to step up and produce.<br /><br />Also, I would venture to say that Ozzie knows the TE position very well. He would know more so then the coaches if the offense really &quot;Needed&quot; Todd Heap this year. <br /><br />Heap wasn't just cut to save cap space, because if that's the case guys like JJ, Foxworth, and Birk would probably have been cut as well. <br /><br />The Ravens cut Heap to save cap space, but also because they felt really strong about guys(mainly Dickson) behind Heap. Now it's time for those guys to make a name for themselves like Heap did back in 2002.<br />[/quote]


yeah, and if I wanted to be nitpicky, I'd say it was actually more like 4 or 5 years into his career that Heap started becoming a good blocker. I remember 2008 being his first excellent year blocking.

Gonna miss Heap, but I'm not very concerned about losing him. I even suggested this in a thread a while back, but the idea wasn't very popular lol

[CorvusCorax]

So far we have Re-signed Yanda and Carr, resigned a number of our RFA veterans and acquired Leach in the FA. Ozzie is very patient and methodical in the free agency. He didn't pull an Arizona and over pay for a FA like they have. That only makes us stronger come next draft.

The key words are patient and methodical in this free agency frenzy. I expect to see more moves down the line during training camp if the FO does not like what they are seeing during camp. So far, so good, no complaints, with the exception of Heap.

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312146059' post='729441']
The re-signing of Yanda and acquisition of Leach are good enough for me AT THIS JUNCTURE. I feel, as I've been saying, this is where Ozzie starts playing around and adds the missing pieces!
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Well same goes for me. I really wanted Asomugha at first but I knew it was just dreaming. I have all along wanted a sound pass rusher, but I dunno if we're going to sign one or not. I wouldn't mine seeing another CB picked up, but I am not worried about that to much because we have Fox, Webb, Carr and Smith now.

[scrock]

I would def trade a 2nd rounder for Osi, only problem is how would we take his contract and/or give him a new one and stay under the cap? more roster cuts would have to happen...thats a problem

i'd say mason is more consistent but edwards is younger and faster...but his hands are an issue

then i'd say we are doing okay in free agency all things considered

[bauer77]

I've said in another thread, IDK why people want Osi. Guys sucks against the run. no other way to explain it. He wants to be paid top 5 DE money, where we gonna pull that money out of?


I would rather have D.Mason back. He already knows the system (obviously) and wouldnt demand anywhere near the amount of money as B. Edwards. And i think Moss would want a multi-year contract. and i dont think we will need that. I think Torrey and Tandon, and possibly even D. Reed will be ready to take over.


And im so-so with what we've done so far. Leach is a way better blocker than McClain. But IMO we dont have a back-up RB that could really step-in if, god-forbid, Rice gets hurt or banged up. Also thrilled we resigned Yanda, kinda wanted Gaither back on a incentive-laden deal. But if he wants big money, it isn't worth it. And we still need a backup QB. Hopefully we bring back Marc.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Derrick Mason. The man did everything he had to do to prepare ravens this offseason : from training WR rookies, to keeping in shape, staying motivated and lbeing vocal leader in offense. He is the most consistant WR we had in years and he showed no sign of decline last year. He has great hands, good verticles, and perfect route running. His only problem is that, he has no deep threat capabilitiies. But thats pretty much the reason why we drafted torrey?

Bring mason back, for love of god, do not bring randy moss. He is a distraction on every team he has been in, and to top that off he has been in sharp decline in patriots, viking, tennesse. Why get this guy??

Braylon is notorious for being a butterfinger, but he has size and speed and is physical. I'd take a chance with him, but his expensive.

Mason is the man, he has been flacco's favorite target since he started and is proably the most familiar with Ravens offense. Please get MASON!

[Bishop]

Randy Moss is smarter then Derrick Mason big red zone target and requires to be schemed against

[Bishop]

We gotta ween Flacco off that Derrick Mason, drink out the cup, Let it go people

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1312204238' post='730295']
[b]Randy Moss is smarter then Derrick Mason[/b] big red zone target and requires to be schemed against
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If you honestly believe that, you're mistaken.

[Bishop]

Mistaken? 1 word .... Belichik

[Bishop]

Can't pacify Flacco with Mason. Mason success comes from hard work. I like him, appreciate everything he has done and sacrificed for our team but y'all act like mason is the only good receiver around. Great with him but we will be better without him. Let Flacco mold his own recievers.

[Bishop]

That's Flacco taking the next step

[Gordo52]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1312178260' post='730204']
I've said in another thread, IDK why people want Osi. Guys sucks against the run. no other way to explain it. He wants to be paid top 5 DE money, where we gonna pull that money out of?


I would rather have D.Mason back. He already knows the system (obviously) and wouldnt demand anywhere near the amount of money as B. Edwards. And i think Moss would want a multi-year contract. and i dont think we will need that. I think Torrey and Tandon, and possibly even D. Reed will be ready to take over.


And im so-so with what we've done so far. Leach is a way better blocker than McClain. But IMO we dont have a back-up RB that could really step-in if, god-forbid, Rice gets hurt or banged up. Also thrilled we resigned Yanda, kinda wanted Gaither back on a incentive-laden deal. But if he wants big money, it isn't worth it. And we still need a backup QB. Hopefully we bring back Marc.
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Maybe we can sign Ngata, release Redding, and have some more money. And hes a sack machine, that what we need. Were already good against the run. I do not think Torrey and Doss are ready to take over yet, and wont be atleast for another year. I agree resigning Mason because he knows our Offense, but I'd rather sign Moss, just for the fact its Randy Moss. And I agree with rest. But Back up QB, should be our next important posistion to adress.