Randy Moss Retires

[Tyler]

[quote name='JamesRules' timestamp='1312046555' post='727081']
I want Dominque Cromartie to join and fool Andy Reid into thinking that a third round with Torrey Smith is a good deal. It would work because Andy is trying to blow up the team and from what I understand, people think Jason Avant sucks. I haven't seen Torrey yet, but I just don't feel confident in him plus we've done nothing with training WR's under John. I'm not trying to throw Torrey under the bus, this isn't meant to be personal.
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That would never happen.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1312045911' post='727062']
Yeah, but that's the problem right there: the long haul. This year is more important to me and hopefully to Bisciotti, Newsome, Harbaugh and Flacco.

Last year in the playoffs, Deion Branch made a crucial drop and there were a lot of coverage sacks for the Pats. What did they do? They went out and got Chad Ochocinco.

There are lots of guys near Ochocinco's caliber available. I could see the Ravens steamrolling into the playoffs but when they need someone with the vet savvy and them vet moves to spring open on a fourth down, the young guys will let them down.
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Branch is a veteran himself. We all saw three veterans on our team come up small as well against Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

On the flip-side, young Steelers WRs made big plays throughout the playoffs.

Veteran savvy is great, but there are numerous times when youth and raw athleticism trump it all.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='JamesRules' timestamp='1312046555' post='727081']
I want Dominque Cromartie to join and fool Andy Reid into thinking that a third round with Torrey Smith is a good deal. It would work because Andy is trying to blow up the team and from what I understand, people think Jason Avant sucks. I haven't seen Torrey yet, but I just don't feel confident in him plus we've done nothing with training WR's under John. I'm not trying to throw Torrey under the bus, this isn't meant to be personal.
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Lol! Trade Torrey? After the Ravens were anxious to get him in the first place? Not happening..

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='JamesRules' timestamp='1312046555' post='727081']
I want Dominque Cromartie to join and fool Andy Reid into thinking that a third round with Torrey Smith is a good deal. It would work because Andy is trying to blow up the team and from what I understand, people think Jason Avant sucks. I haven't seen Torrey yet, but I just don't feel confident in him plus we've done nothing with training WR's under John. I'm not trying to throw Torrey under the bus, this isn't meant to be personal.
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You want to trade our 2nd rd pick WR and a 3rd rd pick for drc?

Drc is pretty good but how can you give up on a guy who has tons of potential and has never played a diwn in the nfl. Come on man. I bet torrey turns out better than julio jones

[PuRock]

I would prefer we didn't. But if we can sign him to a minimum contract, I'd give the idea a chance. I think his days of being even a serviceable WR are behind him. We'd probably want to use him almost like Housh, only on occasion and I dont know how that would sit with him.

[Tyler]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312046739' post='727093']
You want to trade our 2nd rd pick WR and a 3rd rd pick for drc?

Drc is pretty good but how can you give up on a guy who has tons of potential and has never played a diwn in the nfl. Come on man. [b]I bet torrey turns out better than julio jones[/b]
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I wouldn't go that far...

[JamesRules]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312046739' post='727093']
You want to trade our 2nd rd pick WR and a 3rd rd pick for drc?

Drc is pretty good but how can you give up on a guy who has tons of potential and has never played a diwn in the nfl. Come on man. I bet torrey turns out better than julio jones
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Because we've had no luck with drafting WR's. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be proven wrong! Either Tandon or Torrey aren't going to see much playing time and the Ravens this year and from the looks of it, the Ravens are going to pick up a WR in the market.

I'm not a hater/ clear out guy. Please don't bash me.

[JamesRules]

[quote name='Tyler' timestamp='1312047141' post='727107']
I wouldn't go that far...
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Julio has so much weight on his back. The expectation for him is higher then for Cam to be a franchise QB. I almost feel bad for the guy.

[JO_75]

We aren't trading Torrey Smith. No way.

Regarding Moss, if we can get him on a 1-2 Year low salary deal I think it could be a low risk, high reward type of deal. I'll all be for adding Randy Moss to the Ravens.

[xxhighriser]

lol why would we trade torrey, his potential is ridiculous. and we have starting caliber corners already.

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='Tyler' timestamp='1312047141' post='727107']
I wouldn't go that far...
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I feel he is grossly overrated. He skyrocketed up the draft boards soley on his combine numbers. His hands aren't great at all. I wouldent be surprised at all if torrey ends up better.

I just think its great the falcons sold the house to get him

[Tyler]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312047605' post='727121']
I feel he is grossly overrated. He skyrocketed up the draft boards soley on his combine numbers. His hands aren't great at all. I wouldent be surprised at all if torrey ends up better.

I just think its great the falcons sold the house to get him
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It gave cleveland another first round pick tho :/

[scrock]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1312041979' post='726937']
so let me get this straight y'all dont want a motivated randy moss SMDH!we got vets won't let randy did what he in other places. I don't get some of y'all
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motivated? come on the Pats cut him loose for a reason, its between the ravens and jets? all i read is how the jets are his choice..i cant imagine him wanting to come to Bmore, much like TO didnt want to come to Bmore

Randy Moss isnt the same player he was, he takes so many plays off you guys would be screaming for his head by the first week

[RoflDogs]

This rumor better not be true. Belichick gave up on the dude. That is a definite no no

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312048024' post='727130']
motivated? come on the Pats cut him loose for a reason, its between the ravens and jets? all i read is how the jets are his choice..i cant imagine him wanting to come to Bmore, much like TO didnt want to come to Bmore

Randy Moss isnt the same player he was, he takes so many plays off you guys would be screaming for his head by the first week
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TO didn't want kyle boller throwing to him. I'm pretty sure moss would rather have flacco throeing to him than mark sanchez

[The Prestige]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312048536' post='727144']
TO didn't want kyle boller throwing to him. I'm pretty sure moss would rather have flacco throeing to him than mark sanchez
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If only Harbs and Cam had gotten over the fictional lore of the Steelers-Ravens-play-close-to-the-vest numbskullery and actually had Flacco air it out against them all season. I know some members of the guys protecting Flacco weren't up for that, but a display of what Flacco can really do with the deep ball would have guys like Randy Moss lining up to play here.

The only time I saw a deep shot in the playoffs was a play where Heap was the only one going deep.

I'm not saying the Ravens aren't doing the right thing, but it feels like I'm stuck in molasses.

Signing Yanda.....negotiatingggg with Ngaaaataaaa...rrrrrreeeesign the RFAs....sign Chhhhhrriiisss Carrrr.

Just get Moss or Mark Clayton on the field to watch the next practice. Or even bring back Brandon Stokley.

[scrock]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312048536' post='727144']
TO didn't want kyle boller throwing to him. I'm pretty sure moss would rather have flacco throeing to him than mark sanchez
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yeah thats true..my point is new york is more desirable..thats just the truth

He would probably start in New York because they have no one after Holmes...idk if he would start here honestly

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1312049426' post='727163']
The only time I saw a deep shot in the playoffs was a play where Heap was the only one going deep.
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I don't remember a deep ball against KC, but Joe went deep to at least twice against the Steelers. One drew a flag, the other was almost picked off.

[edreedfromtheu]

You all wanted a "deep threat" for Flacco. Well, this is definitely it. Even last year, he beat "the best corner in the game" deep for a touchdown. And he did it receiving a pass from a QB who is "over the hill and washed up" in Brett Favre.

But, since Randy Moss isn't going to do well with a QB who can't get him the ball often... I sure hope Flacco is as good and is as steadily improving as you all say he is!

And with all that said, if the Ravens were to scared to make such obvious and such safe signings as Josh Wilson and Chris Chester for depth... I highly doubt they are going to take a "risk" with Randy Moss. Ravens obviously need a pass rusher and they let Atlanta have Ray Edwards for a fairly cheap deal compared to what other DL's got. No way Ravens go after the best of the dwindling free agency pool.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1312049873' post='727184']
You all wanted a "deep threat" for Flacco. [b]Well, this is definitely it. Even last year, he beat "the best corner in the game" deep for a touchdown. And he did it receiving a pass from a QB who is "over the hill and washed up" in Brett Favre.

But, since Randy Moss isn't going to do well with a QB who can't get him the ball often... I sure hope Flacco is as good and is as steadily improving as you all say he is![/b]

And with all that said, [b]if the Ravens were to scared to make such obvious and such safe signings[/b] as Josh Wilson and [b]Chris Chester for depth...[/b] I highly doubt they are going to take a "risk" with Randy Moss. [b]Ravens obviously need a pass rusher and they let Atlanta have Ray Edwards for a fairly cheap deal compared to what other DL's got.[/b] No way Ravens go after the best of the dwindling free agency pool.
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I'm pretty sure Moss toasted Revis when he was a Patriot.

Just can't make a post without taking a jab at Flacco, huh?

You consider Chester a "safe" option as depth?

Where would Edwards have played had the Ravens signed him?

[scrock]

Moss beat Revis deep thats true, when Revis wasnt even healthy with a hamstring injury

lol, u guys are crazy, lets go out and get Moss based on when he was actually any good...like i said before, u guys would be calling for his head by week 1 for giving up on plays or not running at full speed

[ellicottraven]

Wow is all I could come up with in response - dumbfounded!

[ellicottraven]

Well now that I have recovered enough to think, I am sure the coaching staff and F.O has gone over the pros and cons of Randy's addition to the Ravens. Assuming that to be the case and that the pros outweigh the cons, I think he will have to choose the Ravens over the Jets simply because Flacco has the better arm and is the better QB! Also, the Jets have called him out several times and if he has some pride left he will come to Balitmore so he could enjoy us beating the Jets up again!

[theFRANCHISE]

I'm indifferent to the rumor and I'd be indifferent if he signed with the Ravens.

I'm not concerned about Moss' past character issues or image because he's not the locker room cancer that T.O. has consistently been. Rather, I'm concerned that Moss just doesn't have it anymore. While some may defend Moss by saying he was merely unmotivated last year, it's mind-boggling that he would be passed around by three different teams last year and post career-low numbers just by motivation alone. That doesn't sound like he was intentionally lazy -- that sounds like a player in decline.

I don't believe that Bill Belichick cut Moss loose because of Moss' mini-feud with Tom Brady. I believe that Belichick parted ways with Moss because he knew there were younger guys behind Moss that were more capable, and the immediate boost in production from the WR and TE corps after Moss left was virtually a direct cause of Moss' absence. After all, if you're a QB who's got a WR with a reputation for freakish athleticism, you're more inclined to throw to Randy Moss than anyone else. But if your first option in Moss can't get open on every play, especially on plays [i]designed[/i] to feature him, you start to question his effectiveness and whether he's merely taking someone else's spot who [i]can[/i] produce.

I would take Moss over T.O. at this point because of T.O.'s recent ACL injury and age, but Moss is no spring chicken himself. The only redeeming quality that Moss has over T.O. is that Moss won't completely destroy the locker room by the time he leaves.

[20ReedsAll]

I wouldn't mind bringing Moss in, why not? I certainly don't think he causes locker room drama with the likes of Ray Ray here. Even if we don't get him, I'm more than comfortable moving forward with the young bloods. As the Steelers showed last season, its more than possible to move forward with speedy young wideouts. I've got faith in Torrey, Tandon, and David Reed.

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1312045818' post='727060']
U people would rather go with a bunch of newbs than Randy Moss? Even half motivated he'd be better than a group of guys with a couple catches between. The Ravens are DESPERATE. One month of camp and rookies as your #2 & #3 Wr? Bump that
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Many WR start their first year in the league. I remember Mike Wallace a 3rd round pick was on the field in 09 for all 16 games. Now the dude is a beast for the steelers. If you want to learn this game, you're never going to learn it from sitting on the bench and watching others play.

[Gordo52]

Moss and Boldin would be nasty. IDC what anyone say about Moss. 1 down year. Played on titans and vikings with 2 bad QBs. Now hes determined to prove people wrong. Plus he would just fit here. Boldin Moss Torrey. All different unique WRs. It wouldnt matter even if the Eagles were covering them! LOL

[SuRihtanil]

This game is built on desire, these new guys they want to prove to the ravens and the fans they're good enough to bring back next year. Randy Moss has nothing left to play for beside the love of the game. These new guys we signed like Smith are playing for EVERYTHING each day. They have a drive to learn, win and get a real contract once this little one is up.

If Randy Moss had anything left in the tank to give to a team he wouldn't have been thrown out. You guys are asking for a WR who is gonna want a horde of money, but in the past year he has went from the Pats, Vikes, Titans to FA pool the guy is done... Why fool around signing a guy like who will hinder our rookies from play time/learn time! The rooks are willing and want to step up.

Randy Moss isn't gonna fix anything really he has 2 seasons left in him. Then he is gonna retire? Give these rookies a go and see what happens? Randy is a waste of time I strongly believe that. Think we have T. Smith who everyone thinks will be a great WR. We actually have a slew of rooks who want to learn. Why not let Q, Dickson, Doss Smith and Flacco grow together and learn the game. I think signing Randy Moss at this point is to much when our WR depth is deep, 11 deep atm.

[Romo Ravens]

Having two of my favorite WR's of all time on the same team at once gets me excited. I hope we sign him

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312050370' post='727213']
Moss beat Revis deep thats true, when Revis wasnt even healthy with a hamstring injury

lol, u guys are crazy, lets go out and get Moss based on when he was actually any good...like i said before, u guys would be calling for his head by week 1 for giving up on plays or not running at full speed
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He beat Revis deep because he was motivated since Revis talked smack on him. My opinion is to just leave it up to the FO. They are much better at gauging this sort of thing than we are, if they feel he is worth what they give him then they may be right.