Aso. Goes To The Eagles , So Do You Think We Can Get.....

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Actually #4, I forgot about Charles Woodson, and you could arguably put Champ up there too, but I think he's at least #5 if not 4
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Woodson at 4? I don't think his 2010 campaign equates to his 2009 one. Many feel that Tramon Williams was the best CB on the team. Although Woodson's presence at the Nickel spot always impacted offensive schemes, it's arguable whether he's still the best CB on the Packers, nevermind being the 4th best in the NFL. That's not a discredit to Woodson neither. I just feel like Tramon skyrocketed last season.

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But, no matter who you think is better Asante Samuels is actually pursuable, and would give us an elite corner
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He is certainly available. Our CB corps has enough youth for Asante's age not to be of much concern. However, he'll be averaging $7 over 2011-2012, and we'd have to restructure Foxworth's contract. We've just signed Carr to a 4 year deal, and unless we send a CB to Philadelphia in the same transaction, this move would likely make him our 4th or even 5th CB. Personally, I don't see it happening, as we have solid depth at the position. If this does somehow pan out, how do you envision it happening? Just curious.

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He is certainly available. Our CB corps has enough youth for Asante's age not to be of much concern. However, he'll be averaging $7 over 2011-2012, and we'd have to restructure Foxworth's contract. We've just signed Carr to a 4 year deal, and unless we send a CB to Philadelphia in the same transaction, this move would likely make him our 4th or even 5th CB. Personally, I don't see it happening, as we have solid depth at the position. If this does somehow pan out, how do you envision it happening? Just curious.
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I could see us sending Carr or Foxworth, an LB (please God be Gooden) and a pick for Asante with the agreement that he restructures his contract. (could possibly send some depth at other positions as well).

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I could see us sending Carr or Foxworth, an LB (please God be Gooden) and a pick for Asante with the agreement that he restructures his contract. (could possibly send some depth at other positions as well).
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I could see Foxworth, Gooden and a draft pick packaged. They'd need an OLB with them losing Ernie Sims to FA. It's an interesting thought, although I see another CB needy team like the 49ers shelling out for him.

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I could see Foxworth, Gooden and a draft pick packaged. They'd need an OLB with them losing Ernie Sims to FA. It's an interesting thought, although I see another CB needy team like the 49ers shelling out for him.
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Nah I don't think I can see the Niners going for Samuels just because I don't see anybody they'd be willing to trade thats worth it. Considering they aren't much of a contender at this point, and they have lost some of their older pieces like Clements and Spikes (as well as probably losing Franklin) I dont see them giving up draft picks.

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I could see Foxworth, Gooden and a draft pick packaged. They'd need an OLB with them losing Ernie Sims to FA. It's an interesting thought, although I see another CB needy team like the 49ers shelling out for him.
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Also, now that I think about it, Gooden would actually be a good fit as a 4-3 OLB wouldn't he? Maybe they could package Parmele to considering they seem to want another RB.

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Nah I don't think I can see the Niners going for Samuels just because I don't see anybody they'd be willing to trade thats worth it. Considering they aren't much of a contender at this point, and they have lost some of their older pieces like Clements and Spikes (as well as probably losing Franklin) I dont see them giving up draft picks.
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That's actually why I see them being desperate. Clements' release came before Asomugha and Joseph found their new homes, so it's fair to assume that they believed one of those would end up in San Francisco. Plus, with both sides unable to agree on a pay cut, this move was made out of a financial dispute. Shawntae Spencer was apparently atrocious in 2010, and I don't see them entering 2011 with him as the #1 CB. They were involved with talks with Asomugha, Joseph, and are now in a bidding war for Antonio Cromartie, so they're obviously looking to upgrade the position via an outside talent. If they are unable to secure Cromartie, it's very likely that they'll at least put an offer on the Eagle's table.

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Also, now that I think about it, Gooden would actually be a good fit as a 4-3 OLB wouldn't he? Maybe they could package Parmele to considering they seem to want another RB.
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That's a possibility.

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That's actually why I see them being desperate. Clements' release came before Asomugha and Joseph found their new homes, so it's fair to assume that they believed one of those would end up in San Francisco. Plus, with both sides unable to agree on a pay cut, this move was made out of a financial dispute. Shawntae Spencer was apparently atrocious in 2010, and I don't see them entering 2011 with him as the #1 CB. They were involved with talks with Asomugha, Joseph, and are now in a bidding war for Antonio Cromartie, so they're obviously looking to upgrade the position via an outside talent. If they are unable to secure Cromartie, it's very likely that they'll at least put an offer on the Eagle's table.


That's a possibility.
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I agree with everything you said, my point is San Fran is definitly not a contender this year (based on the QB situation, Crabtrees injury, Gore's holdout, and the loss of many key players) but many of their losses were vets. Joseph was a young corner. I can see them pursuing Cromartie but imo because of their rebuilding modes they would be hesitant to give up a young piece and draft picks for an aged corner no matter how good he is. For Aso they didnt need to give up any of that, just money.

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I agree with everything you said, my point is San Fran is definitly not a contender this year (based on the QB situation, Crabtrees injury, Gore's holdout, and the loss of many key players) but many of their losses were vets. Joseph was a young corner. I can see them pursuing Cromartie but imo because of their rebuilding modes they would be hesitant to give up a young piece and draft picks for an aged corner no matter how good he is. For Aso they didnt need to give up any of that, just money.
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I'm not entirely certain if it's a full blown youth movement thus far. Franklin is apparently flying in for a visit. They have a 26 year old FS in Dashon Goldson who could be elsewhere this season. However, they have let Takeo Spike, Nate Clements, Eric Heitmann and Joe Nedney hit the open market, so you could have a solid point. I'd still expect them to have interest in Samuel, as they've obviously missed out on a number of higher tier CBs. One CB I've completely overlooked has been Brandon Carr. He was among the absolute best in burn percentages last season. Otherwise, I see them giving signing Carlos Rogers a look. While I don't feel that the 49ers will necessarily dart after Samuel, I feel that they'll be more likely to send an offer through than the Ravens. I do have a feeling that Carr will be a 49er by the end of the week.

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I'm not entirely certain if it's a full blown youth movement thus far. Franklin is apparently flying in for a visit. They have a 26 year old FS in Dashon Goldson who could be elsewhere this season. However, they have let Takeo Spike, Nate Clements, Eric Heitmann and Joe Nedney hit the open market, so you could have a solid point. I'd still expect them to have interest in Samuel, as they've obviously missed out on a number of higher tier CBs. Otherwise, I see giving signing Carlos Rogers a look. Unless I'm forgetting someone, I don't really see a viable option left on the market outside of him and Cromartie.
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I'm not saying they aren't pursuing Samuel, just that I can't see it happening. They will pursue him but based on the fact that they should be rebuilding they probably wont wanna give up picks of young players. Plus, i don't see them having what the eagles want personel wise. Willis certainly won't go, Brooks and the rookie Smith are the starters, and I can't see them wanting Harylson.

Personally I see them getting Rodgers, who would probably love a chance to prove himself as a number one corner (even if he cant catch a ball to save his life).

At this point, I just hope we can do better than anyone else in the market for Samuel.

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I'm not saying they aren't pursuing Samuel, just that I can't see it happening. They will pursue him but based on the fact that they should be rebuilding they probably wont wanna give up picks of young players. Plus, i don't see them having what the eagles want personel wise. Willis certainly won't go, Brooks and the rookie Smith are the starters, and I can't see them wanting Harylson.

Personally I see them getting Rodgers, who would probably love a chance to prove himself as a number one corner (even if he cant catch a ball to save his life).
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I edited my post, but I didn't get there fast enough. Allow me to rephrase my point. Out of the Ravens and the 49ers, I feel that San Francisco would be more likely to acquire Samuel. And I agree with the Rogers comment, especially the part in parentheses lol

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I edited my post, but I didn't get there fast enough. Allow me to rephrase my point. Out of the Ravens and the 49ers, I feel that San Francisco would be more likely to acquire Samuel. And I agree with the Rogers comment, especially the part in parentheses lol
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Eh, I think I'd take the Ravens. Foxworth may be able to be an alright number one, but considering he is just coming off injury and he isn't the most talented DB in the league a true #1 corner may be what separates this team from the Super Bowl. We would be willing to trade a younger guy and possibly some draft picks for Samuel, while the rebuilding Niners may not be willing to part with them. Also, the Eagles need backers, and we have more backers than the Eagles. Hell, depending on whether we can sign Matt Roth or Tully Banta-Cain (or if Kindle looks lik a straight boss) JJ could be traded, Dannel Ellerbee may be a good fit on the inside, Gooden may flourish on the outside in a new scheme (or maybe even on the inside) and Jameel McClain may be able to play both outside and inside (though likely outside). We have a lot more quality players there, which is what the Eagles are looking for.

Plus, we are out of conference so we wouldnt threaten the Eagles in the playoffs. Although you may feel Foxy can be a number 1 in this league, you gotta admit he hasnt effectively proven it especially after a huge injury.

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Eh, I think I'd take the Ravens. Foxworth may be able to be an alright number one, but considering he is just coming off injury and he isn't the most talented DB in the league a true #1 corner may be what separates this team from the Super Bowl. We would be willing to trade a younger guy and possibly some draft picks for Samuel, while the rebuilding Niners may not be willing to part with them. Also, the Eagles need backers, and we have more backers than the Eagles. Hell, depending on whether we can sign Matt Roth or Tully Banta-Cain (or if Kindle looks lik a straight boss) JJ could be traded, Dannel Ellerbee may be a good fit on the inside, Gooden may flourish on the outside in a new scheme (or maybe even on the inside) and Jameel McClain may be able to play both outside and inside (though likely outside). We have a lot more quality players there, which is what the Eagles are looking for.

Plus, we are out of conference so we wouldnt threaten the Eagles in the playoffs. Although you may feel Foxy can be a number 1 in this league, you gotta admit he hasnt effectively proven it especially after a huge injury.
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I don't at all see how the 49ers not having an LB as a bargaining chip is instrumental in which team would be more likely to go through with it. I wouldn't touch Gooden with a ten foot pole given that Thomas Davis still available. I also don't see us shipping McClain, since he's penciled in as a starter. And if they're looking for help at MLB, they could easily target Kirk Morrison and Rocky McIntosh, instead of asking for Ellerbe. It would make much more sense for them to fill needs via FA and ask for draft picks as compensation for Samuel, especially with viable options on the market.

Do you honestly see our FO pulling the trigger though? I can't at all say that I do. And I don't mean in terms of which situation makes more sense. I honestly thought it didn't make sense for the Eagles to acquire Nnamdi after trading for Rodgers-Cromartie. Also, the Eagles sent McNabb to a Division rival, so I doubt they'd consider sending Asante out of the conference a significant plus. And I'm not sure about Foxworth, but that doesn't change whether I feel that Ozzie will actually target Asante or not.

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I don't at all see how the 49ers not having an LB as a bargaining chip is instrumental in which team would be more likely to go through with it. I wouldn't touch Gooden with a ten foot pole given that Thomas Davis still available. I also don't see us shipping McClain, since he's penciled in as a starter. And if they're looking for help at MLB, they could easily target Kirk Morrison and Rocky McIntosh, instead of asking for Ellerbe. It would make much more sense for them to fill needs via FA and ask for draft picks as compensation for Samuel, especially with viable options on the market.

Do you honestly see our FO pulling the trigger though? I can't at all say that I do. And I don't mean in terms of which situation makes more sense. I honestly thought it didn't make sense for the Eagles to acquire Nnamdi after trading for Rodgers-Cromartie. Also, the Eagles sent McNabb to a Division rival, so I doubt they'd consider sending Asante out of the conference a significant plus. And I'm not sure about Foxworth, but that doesn't change whether I feel that Ozzie will actually target Asante or not.
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But with all the FA acquisitions, they dont have much room for guys like Kirk, McIntosh, and Thomas Davis (well maybe McIntosh but still maybe not). Also, San Fran not have players to trade means they would have to send more picks, which I doubt they would want to do.

The reason I point it out is this, the Eagles need players at LB without the cap hit and us being able to use our backers as trade bait will let Ozzie be able to keep more picks, which would make it more realistic to him. Plus, I could see Andy Reid try to take advantadge of Gooden's measurables in a new system.

As for the last question, yes. Ozzie will make a trade to put his team in the best possible scenario to win at a good cost. Last year he traded for Boldin in the same type of situation (a great player in a cramped corps) as well as for Wilson to aid the secondary.

Now, yes, this will likely cost more than those, but the point is Asante will give us a better chance to win and considering the cramped corps in Philly he can likely be had at a good price. That said, there is also a significant chance it doesn't happen, but I'd still say we have a better chance than San Fran.

EDIT: Also, us being out of conference may not be a make or break factor but should be considered. The McNabb trade was a steal by the Eagles which was why they traded him in division. Nnamdi cemented what could be the best pass D this year from an insane pass rush and three of the leagues best corners (possibly two).

The Eagles FO is a smart one. They consider every aspect when making any sort of roster move.

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But with all the FA acquisitions, they dont have much room for guys like Kirk, McIntosh, and Thomas Davis (well maybe McIntosh but still maybe not). Also, San Fran not have players to trade means they would have to send more picks, which I doubt they would want to do.

The reason I point it out is this, the Eagles need players at LB without the cap hit and us being able to use our backers as trade bait will let Ozzie be able to keep more picks, which would make it more realistic to him. Plus, I could see Andy Reid try to take advantadge of Gooden's measurables in a new system.

As for the last question, yes. Ozzie will make a trade to put his team in the best possible scenario to win at a good cost. Last year he traded for Boldin in the same type of situation (a great player in a cramped corps) as well as for Wilson to aid the secondary.

Now, yes, this will likely cost more than those, but the point is Asante will give us a better chance to win and considering the cramped corps in Philly he can likely be had at a good price. That said, there is also a significant chance it doesn't happen, but I'd still say we have a better chance than San Fran.

EDIT: Also, us being out of conference may not be a make or break factor but should be considered. The McNabb trade was a steal by the Eagles which was why they traded him in division. Nnamdi cemented what could be the best pass D this year from an insane pass rush and three of the leagues best corners (possibly two).

The Eagles FO is a smart one. They consider every aspect when making any sort of roster move.
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If the Eagles trade away Samuel, they'll be freeing up $6 million in cap space. With just under $3 million apparently already available, so they could sign at least several LBs if needed be. With this being the case, I wouldn't even consider Gooden or Ellerbe, especially Gooden, considering his injuries and disappointing track record.

Cramped with what? Back-ups? When Ozzie landed Boldin, we had Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton as our WR corps, and if I remember correctly, Mason was no longer under contract. Josh Wilson was traded for a 5th, and that was likely because Foxworth recently tore his ACL. This was also before Carr proved to be a consistent CB, ending 2009 with a whimper. We had 2 CBs coming off of ACL tears, and one who was often brutalized the previous year. At this moment, we have a healthy Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Smith, Chris Carr and Lardarius Webb, all of which have showed serious promise.

How was the McNabb trade a steal? He was a Pro Bowl QB in 2009 and was traded for a 2nd round selection. Granted that he was getting old in the tooth, but at the time, no one was clamoring that it was an unreasonable price tag. Charlie Whitehurst went for a 3rd. That was a steal.

I don't see Samuel going for less than a 2nd, or a 3rd and a solid player. Cromartie went for a conditional 3rd pick that turned into a 2nd, and that was after he struggled in both 2008 and 2009. The Ravens can win without Asante. The same can't exactly be said for the 49ers. All in all, I stand by my point. We had our chance to sign several top CBs without paying compensation, and we weren't even in conversation. Then we sign Chris Carr to a 4 year deal. I don't see how we're all of the sudden a player in the Samuel sweepstakes.

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If the Eagles trade away Samuel, they'll be freeing up $6 million in cap space. With just under $3 million apparently already available, so they could sign at least several LBs if needed be. With this being the case, I wouldn't even consider Gooden or Ellerbe, especially Gooden, considering his injuries and disappointing track record.

Cramped with what? Back-ups? When Ozzie landed Boldin, we had Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton as our WR corps, and if I remember correctly, Mason was no longer under contract. Josh Wilson was traded for a 5th, and that was likely because Foxworth recently tore his ACL. This was also before Carr proved to be a consistent CB, ending 2009 with a whimper. We had 2 CBs coming off of ACL tears, and one who was often brutalized the previous year. At this moment, we have a healthy Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Smith, Chris Carr and Lardarius Webb, all of which have showed serious promise.

How was the McNabb trade a steal? He was a Pro Bowl QB in 2009 and was traded for a 2nd round selection. Granted that he was getting old in the tooth, but at the time, no one was clamoring that it was an unreasonable price tag. Charlie Whitehurst went for a 3rd. That was a steal.

I don't see Samuel going for less than a 2nd, or a 3rd and a solid player. Cromartie went for a conditional 3rd pick that turned into a 2nd, and that was after he struggled in both 2008 and 2009. The Ravens can win without Asante. The same can't exactly be said for the 49ers. All in all, I stand by my point. We had our chance to sign several top CBs without paying compensation, and we weren't even in conversation. Then we sign Chris Carr to a 4 year deal. I don't see how we're all of the sudden a player in the Samuel sweepstakes.
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We dont know what the Eagles cap situation looks like, they could already be maxed out including the 3 million borrowed. People guess, like people were doing when they thought we were preparing for a big signing, but no one except the Eagle's FO can be 100% sure of the numbers unless the FO released that information to my knowledge.

I meant the team they were traded from. Boldin was in the corps with Larry, Breaston, and Doucet. Asante is on a corps with to other prow Bowl Corners.

I thought it was 2 seconds? Maybe that was just the Brandon Marshall deal. IMO two seconds would be the best deal I could see them getting if I was right in my original thought. Also, that ridiculous Whitehurst deal sheds no light on the value of McNabbs deal, just the stupidity of Seattle's FO, who traded Wilson for a 5th and are cutting ties with their only player that can even be considered a superstar, Lofa Tatupu.

Also, I never implied it would just be Gooden and a pick, or Ellerbee and a pick. Behind those 3 Pro Bowlers Philly doesnt have too much talent. I could see Foxworth and Gooden and a pick. An athletic freak for Philly to try out at LB, a good corner who could even fill in as a #1 if Nnamdi and DRC were both somehow injured, and a pick or multiple picks. We have a turnover specialist who is one of the league's top at his position to help mentor the younguns and Philly has another pick(s), a LB that could pan out for them with his athleticism in a new system, and a quality starting CB.

Sounds like a good trade that I doubt any other team in the NFL would give them.

Also, the signing of Carr is irrelevent. If Foxworth is traded he would be our 4th corner. If he wasn't traded he would be our fourth corner, nothing changes. Also, the deal could include Carr rather than Foxworth if the FO would rather keep him giving a little more in draft picks.

EDIT: Also, you have no idea whether or not we were a player in the two other big corners on FA. Unless you have talked to Ozzie personally, or another influintial person in the FO like DeCosta, I don't see how you would know. We were widely considered the dark horse in the Nnamdi sweepstakes, and we most likely called up Joseph and gave him an offer or two.

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We dont know what the Eagles cap situation looks like, they could already be maxed out including the 3 million borrowed. People guess, like people were doing when they thought we were preparing for a big signing, but no one except the Eagle's FO can be 100% sure of the numbers unless the FO released that information to my knowledge.

I meant the team they were traded from. Boldin was in the corps with Larry, Breaston, and Doucet. Asante is on a corps with to other prow Bowl Corners.

I thought it was 2 seconds? Maybe that was just the Brandon Marshall deal. IMO two seconds would be the best deal I could see them getting if I was right in my original thought. Also, that ridiculous Whitehurst deal sheds no light on the value of McNabbs deal, just the stupidity of Seattle's FO, who traded Wilson for a 5th and are cutting ties with their only player that can even be considered a superstar, Lofa Tatupu.

Also, I never implied it would just be Gooden and a pick, or Ellerbee and a pick. Behind those 3 Pro Bowlers Philly doesnt have too much talent. I could see Foxworth and Gooden and a pick. An athletic freak for Philly to try out at LB, a good corner who could even fill in as a #1 if Nnamdi and DRC were both somehow injured, and a pick or multiple picks. We have a turnover specialist who is one of the league's top at his position to help mentor the younguns and Philly has another pick(s), a LB that could pan out for them with his athleticism in a new system, and a quality starting CB.

Sounds like a good trade that I doubt any other team in the NFL would give them.

Also, the signing of Carr is irrelevent. If Foxworth is traded he would be our 4th corner. If he wasn't traded he would be our fourth corner, nothing changes. Also, the deal could include Carr rather than Foxworth if the FO would rather keep him giving a little more in draft picks.
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Several websites had the Eagles' cap space, before the ridiculous spending spree, pegged at around $80 million flat. They've just added DRC, who's scheduled to make $950,000 in 2011. Cullen Jenkins will average $5 million per season, as Jason Babin is scheduled to average $5.6 million. With Nnamdi scheduled to make $12 million per year, and Akeem Jordan's unspecified one year contract, that likely brings them to $25 million. Which means that they're probably sitting around $105 at the moment. Nevermind the aforementioned $3 million. They could actually still be well under the cap.

Alright then. Kevin Kolb was just traded for a 2nd and a Pro-Bowl caliber CB. Jay Cutler was traded for two 1st round selections. The McNabb trade was in no way a steal for the Eagles.

I wasn't saying that it was just Gooden or Ellerbe and a pick. I was arguing that neither of the two would exactly be sweetening the pot. They are in no way noticeably better over their current LBs, so I don't see why the Eagles would take less draft pick wise just to have them on the roster.

This doesn't answer my question. If we were looking to acquire a higher tier CB, why weren't we at least trying to pursue one via FA? I could at least see the Foxworth scenario. But assuming that the Carr deal has guaranteed money involved, why would we grant him a 4 year contract just to trade his deal for an even bigger one and eat the owed amount?

We've proven that we can win consistently with our roster. The 49ers couldn't even win the NFC West, a Division fielding a 7-9 Playoff team. And that was with the services of a serviceable #1 CB. Team 1 desperately needs help at CB, is a perennial middle of the pack team, and has recently pursued every single top CB available. Team 2 has very solid depth at CB, is a perennial Playoff team, and barely even pursued their own FA CBs. I just don't, and won't at all see the logic of Team 2 being the front runner ahead of Team 1.

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EDIT: Also, you have no idea whether or not we were a player in the two other big corners on FA. Unless you have talked to Ozzie personally, or another influintial person in the FO like DeCosta, I don't see how you would know. We were widely considered the dark horse in the Nnamdi sweepstakes, and we most likely called up Joseph and gave him an offer or two.
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It goes both ways. You have absolutely no idea that the Eagles FO will lean towards an offer sprinkled with mediocre LBs. Unless you have talked to Reid personally, or another influential person in the FO, I don't see how you would know. Are you seriously stating that we most likely offered Joseph a deal after criticizing me for speaking for our FO's actions?

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Several websites had the Eagles' cap space, before the ridiculous spending spree, pegged at around $80 million flat. They've just added DRC, who's scheduled to make $950,000 in 2011. Cullen Jenkins will average $5 million per season, as Jason Babin is scheduled to average $5.6 million. With Nnamdi scheduled to make $12 million per year, and Akeem Jordan's unspecified one year contract, that likely brings them to $25 million. Which means that they're probably sitting around $105 at the moment. Nevermind the aforementioned $3 million. They could actually still be well under the cap.

Alright then. Kevin Kolb was just traded for a 2nd and a Pro-Bowl caliber CB. Jay Cutler was traded for two 1st round selections. The McNabb trade was in no way a steal for the Eagles.

I wasn't saying that it was just Gooden or Ellerbe and a pick. I was arguing that neither of the two would exactly be sweetening the pot. They are in no way noticeably better over their current LBs, so I don't see why the Eagles would take less draft pick wise just to have them on the roster.

This doesn't answer my question. If we were looking to acquire a higher tier CB, why weren't we at least trying to pursue one via FA? I could at least see the Foxworth scenario. But assuming that the Carr deal has guaranteed money involved, why would we grant him a 4 year contract just to trade his deal for an even bigger one and eat the owed amount?

We've proven that we can win consistently with our roster. The 49ers couldn't even win the NFC West, a Division fielding a 7-9 Playoff team. And that was with the services of a serviceable #1 CB. Team 1 desperately needs help at CB, is a perennial middle of the pack team, and has recently pursued every single top CB available. Team 2 has very solid depth at CB, is a perennial Playoff team, and barely even pursued their own FA CBs. I just don't, and won't at all see the logic of Team 2 being the front runner ahead of Team 1.
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If the cap space statement is true, it certainly does look favorable for the Eagles signing some FA LB's, but for those top of the line targets you mentioned there is still a good chance they choose other destinations. Still, I'm very suprised at the abundance of cap room the Eagles have, even if it will be lessened by a long term deal with Jackson. Also, has Vick gotten a new deal yet? That could severely limit their cap room in the future and could persuade them to leave some open (as well as McCoys and Maclins future deal). Still, could you get me a quality link (as in not bleacher report) for that cap figure? Also, just based on his athleticism and measurables, they may take a liking to Gooden as a project, you never know.

Both those deals we crap. Even for the Cutler deal, at least Cutler was young and a QB for the future. It is different in relation to McNabb because he was obviously on the downside of his career. Besides, the Skins did get some value (unlike AZ in the Kolb deal). BTW was it two seconds, because then I would give it to Philly but if it was just 1 second I'd say WAS had a pretty good deal.

Didn't say it would be a huge impact but like stated earlier, Gooden could be a development guy for Philly, and I assumed the cap figure was higher. Also, when I said less draft pick wise I didnt mean much. Like maybe on 5th rounder less or in that area.

I did awnser your question. I said you had no clue to whether we pursued Nnamdi or not as well as Joseph. if we did, your point is completely invalid, and I'd put money on Ozzie at least making an offer. Plus, you are assuming the Carr deal have guaranteed money involved. You have no idea if it did, but i do agree dealing Foxworth is much more likely.

And by that last view it would seem team 2 would be the suitor. But when said like the following, it seems different. There is an aged yet elite CB. Team two is rebuilding and is in no way contending. If they traded for the old corner, they still would likely not even get far in the playoffs till he reitred. Team One is a contender and doesnt have an elite prescence at CB. They have an adequate corner for the #1 CB spot, but thats pretty much it and are very young at the CB position. They can win now, and may be just one or two peices away from the Super Bowl.

In that scenario, you'd think Team 2 would try to get the elite player to ensure their victory on Super Bowl Sunday.

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It goes both ways. You have absolutely no idea that the Eagles FO will lean towards an offer sprinkled with mediocre LBs. Unless you have talked to Reid personally, or another influential person in the FO, I don't see how you would know. Are you seriously stating that we most likely offered Joseph a deal after criticizing me for speaking for our FO's actions?
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That is true, but even without the LB's the deal could still happen. As for Joseph, I simply meant we likely looked into it as with Nnamdi. I'm not saying we got in a bidding war with Houston, Philly, and the Jets. Also, I said likely, not definitely. You said outright we made no effort to go after Nnamdi and Joseph.

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Although I'm sure you are already half way done with your post by now, I forgot to say that if Kindle is healthy and looks good, as well as if we sign Matt Roth or Tully Banta Cain JJ will be expendable and could be traded in a Asante deal. Just a possibility to point out. He'd probably fit better in a 4-3 as an OLB anyway considering pass rush isnt his strong suit.

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If the cap space statement is true, it certainly does look favorable for the Eagles signing some FA LB's, but for those top of the line targets you mentioned there is still a good chance they choose other destinations. Still, I'm very suprised at the abundance of cap room the Eagles have, even if it will be lessened by a long term deal with Jackson. Also, has Vick gotten a new deal yet? That could severely limit their cap room in the future and could persuade them to leave some open (as well as McCoys and Maclins future deal). Still, could you get me a quality link (as in not bleacher report) for that cap figure? Also, just based on his athleticism and measurables, they may take a liking to Gooden as a project, you never know.

Both those deals we crap. Even for the Cutler deal, at least Cutler was young and a QB for the future. It is different in relation to McNabb because he was obviously on the downside of his career. Besides, the Skins did get some value (unlike AZ in the Kolb deal). BTW was it two seconds, because then I would give it to Philly but if it was just 1 second I'd say WAS had a pretty good deal.

Didn't say it would be a huge impact but like stated earlier, Gooden could be a development guy for Philly, and I assumed the cap figure was higher. Also, when I said less draft pick wise I didnt mean much. Like maybe on 5th rounder less or in that area.

I did awnser your question. I said you had no clue to whether we pursued Nnamdi or not as well as Joseph. if we did, your point is completely invalid, and I'd put money on Ozzie at least making an offer. Plus, you are assuming the Carr deal have guaranteed money involved. You have no idea if it did, but i do agree dealing Foxworth is much more likely.

And by that last view it would seem team 2 would be the suitor. But when said like the following, it seems different. There is an aged yet elite CB. Team two is rebuilding and is in no way contending. If they traded for the old corner, they still would likely not even get far in the playoffs till he reitred. Team One is a contender and doesnt have an elite prescence at CB. They have an adequate corner for the #1 CB spot, but thats pretty much it and are very young at the CB position. They can win now, and may be just one or two peices away from the Super Bowl.

In that scenario, you'd think Team 2 would try to get the elite player to ensure their victory on Super Bowl Sunday.
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A quick update to the LB situation, Thomas Davis signed an extension with Carolina. He's due just over $3 million in 2011, and was the most talented player out of the aforementioned group. Neither Morrison nor McIntosh are top of the line targets, and neither would likely break the bank. They are leftovers from a market that just saw Barrett Rudd, Stephen Tuloch and Paul Posluszny find their new homes. If Stephen Tulloch, one of the better young LBs could only muster up a 1 year, $3.25 million contract with an LB need team such as Detroit, I don't at all see them earning anything higher.

Vick is set to make $16 million in 2011, a number that has been grossly overinflated by the salaries of Manning and Brady. When he does reach an extension, it's feasible to assume that he'll make somewhere in the ballpark of $13 million per year, so his future contract is likely to free up cap space, as opposed of doing the exact opposite. Maclin and McCoy are signed through 2014, and it's possible that a 30+ year old veteran like Babin or Jenkins will no longer be playing in Philadelphia at the end of that season. Outside of DeSean, there is a mere one starter on their current roster who isn't signed for at least the next 2 seasons. Nothing about their cap situation shows that they'd be forced to resort to a project if entertaining the idea of adding an LB. And this is before accounting for no longer having to shell out for Samuel. I also don't see an LB who's averaged 8 active games per season being enticing as a diamond in the rough. The Eagles just spent last year's 5th on a significantly better athletic OLB in Ernie Sims, who they aren't planning on re-signing. I somehow doubt that they'd value Gooden at the same level.

JJ is a converted DT. Don't see him having the athleticism to be overly effective. Still a thought though.

http://espn.go.com/b...ary-cap-figures

According to Pat Yasinskas of ESPN, the Eagles entered Free Agency with just over $80 million on their payroll.

The legitimacy behind the asking price of those trades is irrelevant. I'm in total agreement. In my opinion, they were atrocious for Chicago and Arizona. However, they are among the only recent trades involving starting QBs, to my recollection at least. Although I was originally mistaken about his price, it was certainly not two 2nd rounders. He was sent to Washington for a 2nd in the 2010 Draft and a conditional 4th in the 2011th. McNabb was obviously on the downside of his career? Is this a joke? He finished 2009 as a Pro-Bowl QB who amassed 3,500 yards, 24 TDs to 10 INTs, and his best passer rating in 3 years. Nothing about this deal made this a steal for Philadelphia at the time.

In addition, whoever said that they’d even be interested in recouping a CB in the same trade? Joselio Hanson has started multiple games for them last season, and would be serviceable in the slot.

It doesn't answer my question, because you also have no clue whether we did pursue them. I saw an if in the following sentence. I didn't see our name in the reports regarding teams with significant interests in both of these CBs, although I did see reports of the Ravens pursing Chris Carr. Although it is possible, I don't see how I should be expected to believe that we offered either Joseph and Asomugha a contract. Speaking of which, my assumption of Carr having any guaranteed amount is well justified. Carr hasn't missed a single game in his career. What reason would the Ravens have in not offering guaranteed money, however low the amount may be? Is there a significant amount of contracts with no guaranteed money given to injury-free players that should prevent me from forming this presumption? Absolutely not.

Which team would benefit the most from Asante's presence? One that has a CB corps filled with solid players, or one who's a month away from starting a season with one of the thinnest CB corps in the NFL? If Team 1 isn't contending, wouldn't that kind of, sort of be a reason to pursue a tremendous talent in hopes of a turnaround, as they have been within the last few days? We've proven that we can be a perennial Playoff contender without a surefire superstar CB, and when we've stumbled in the Postseason, it's mostly been on offense. In that scenario, you'd think Team 1 would try to get the elite player to ensure that their coach has a job in 2012

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A quick update to the LB situation, Thomas Davis signed an extension with Carolina. He's due just over $3 million in 2011, [b]and was the most talented player out of the aforementioned group[/b]. Neither Morrison nor McIntosh are top of the line targets, and neither would likely break the bank. They are leftovers from a market that just saw Barrett Rudd, Stephen Tuloch and Paul Posluszny find their new homes. If Stephen Tulloch, one of the better young LBs could only muster up a 1 year, $3.25 million contract with an LB need team such as Detroit, I don't at all see them earning anything higher.

Vick is set to make $16 million in 2011, a number that has been grossly overinflated by the salaries of Manning and Brady. When he does reach an extension, it's feasible to assume that he'll make somewhere in the ballpark of $13 million per year, so his future contract is likely to free up cap space, as opposed of doing the exact opposite. Maclin and McCoy are signed through 2014, and it's possible that a 30+ year old veteran like Babin or Jenkins will no longer be playing in Philadelphia at the end of that season. Outside of DeSean, there is a mere one starter on their current roster who isn't signed for at least the next 2 seasons. Nothing about their cap situation shows that they'd be forced to resort to a project if entertaining the idea of adding an LB. And this is before accounting for no longer having to shell out for Samuel. I also don't see an LB who's averaged 8 active games per season being enticing as a diamond in the rough. The Eagles just spent last year's 5th on a significantly better athletic OLB in Ernie Sims, who they aren't planning on re-signing. I somehow doubt that they'd value Gooden at the same level.

JJ is a converted DT. Don't see him having the athleticism to be overly effective. Still a thought though.

[url="http://espn.go.com/b...ary-cap-figures"]http://espn.go.com/b...ary-cap-figures[/url]

According to Pat Yasinskas of ESPN, the Eagles entered Free Agency with just over $80 million on their payroll.

The legitimacy behind the asking price of those trades is irrelevant. I'm in total agreement. In my opinion, they were atrocious for Chicago and Arizona. However, they are among the only recent trades involving starting QBs, to my recollection at least. Although I was originally mistaken about his price, it was certainly not two 2nd rounders. He was sent to Washington for a 2nd in the 2010 Draft and a conditional 4th in the 2011th. McNabb was obviously on the downside of his career? Is this a joke? He finished 2009 as a Pro-Bowl QB who amassed 3,500 yards, 24 TDs to 10 INTs, and his best passer rating in 3 years. Nothing about this deal made this a steal for Philadelphia at the time.

In addition, whoever said that they’d even be interested in recouping a CB in the same trade? Joselio Hanson has started multiple games for them last season, and would be serviceable in the slot.

It doesn't answer my question, because you also have no clue whether we did pursue them. I saw an if in the following sentence. I didn't see our name in the reports regarding teams with significant interests in both of these CBs, although I did see reports of the Ravens pursing Chris Carr. Although it is possible, I don't see how I should be expected to believe that we offered either Joseph and Asomugha a contract. Speaking of which, my assumption of Carr having any guaranteed amount is well justified. Carr hasn't missed a single game in his career. What reason would the Ravens have in not offering guaranteed money, however low the amount may be? Is there a significant amount of contracts with no guaranteed money given to injury-free players that should prevent me from forming this presumption? Absolutely not.

Which team would benefit the most from Asante's presence? One that has a CB corps filled with solid players, or one who's a month away from starting a season with one of the thinnest CB corps in the NFL? If Team 1 isn't contending, wouldn't that kind of, sort of be a reason to pursue a tremendous talent in hopes of a turnaround, as they have been within the last few days? We've proven that we can be a perennial Playoff contender without a surefire superstar CB, and when we've stumbled in the Postseason, it's mostly been on offense. In that scenario, you'd think Team 1 would try to get the elite player to ensure that their coach has a job in 2012
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For one, i think Jon Beason, the now highest payed ILB ever to my knowledge, would like to have a word with you on that.

Also both McIntosh and Morrison are young players who have proven sucessful in 4-3 systems and their contract may not be feasible for a team like the Steelers with cap trouble according to reports (although you've adequately shown the Eagle's likely do have the cap space).

I have no arguement here, you've made good points and presented your case well. I was under the impression that Vick was still in the deal for when he first signed with the Eagles, so thank you for the clarification.

As for Gooden, point taken, i realize he may not be very enticing. But as a project LB in a new system, at virtually no cost, I could see him tagging on the trade, not that he would be a big difference if he was there or not. However, I'd think JJ would be more likely. He's athletic enough for the 3-4 (judging on the fact that he has been starting in it for some time now) but lacks the pass rush skill, which isn't nearly as necesary in the 4-3. With all the talk of moving him inside on the 3-4, i could see him on the outside of the 4-3. Just a thought, but might be a decent starter for Philly.

Couldn't get to the link, I think you may have to be an insider for it, which I'm not, but I'll take your word for it. You seem smart enough to get solid info plus its off ESPN, so its definitely a reputable source. Maybe if they actually had O-line talent outside of Jason Peters that figure would be different.

I used the term downside of his career loosely. I simply meant he already saw the peak of his career and was now slowly on the way down. He was 33/34 ish at the time. On the other hand, Jay Cutler was 26/27 ish at the time of his trade, which was my main point. I will concede I was wrong about the McNabb trade though. Pretty good value by the Redskins, unless the Eagles clearly saw he was washed up in camp (which the Skins would have no idea of anyway).

As for the arguement of Joseph/Nnamdi, the truth is neither of us have any clue if we are right. he may have chased Aso/Joseph, he may not have. he may have just given one out of the ballpark offer and been out the door, or not even give them a call. Since neither of us know, should we just put the point to rest?

As for Carr, we also don't know. The fact that he hasn't shown injury concern may warrant guaranteed money, but perhaps the Ravens want to see if he can earn starting corner money, so they made less guaranteed so they can cut him and retain some of their assets if he can't step up. Perhaps they planned on using him for a trade. Maybe they just felt like not giving him an abundance of guaranteed money. Although I'd say the situation leads one to think he may have got more in guarantees, we can't be sure till the terms are released, although I would agree with you it does look more likely.

As for your last point, look at who got Nnamdi, the Eagles, and the Jets and Cowboys were reportedly in the hunt, because they are all competing for a championship. I have no doubt the Niners would love to have Asante on their team and he may even provide them with more of a benefit, but the Ravens are chasing a championship and Asante could get us over the hump. Certainly their are cases for both teams, I'd just guess the Niners would rather look for a younger star corner, like perhaps Aquib Talib who the Buccaneers may want to deal because of character concerns, rather than an aged vet like Asante, whereas while the Ravens would still prefer youth, a vet to help with the development of young corners the Jimmy, Webb, Cary Williams, and Chykie Brown as well as to help them get over the Super Bowl hump may be more in the Ravens interest.

Also, I must say Im quite enjoying this debate. Ussually us smart people just agree with each other and be done with it

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For one, i think Jon Beason, the now highest payed ILB ever to my knowledge, would like to have a word with you on that.

Also both McIntosh and Morrison are young players who have proven sucessful in 4-3 systems and their contract may not be feasible for a team like the Steelers with cap trouble according to reports (although you've adequately shown the Eagle's likely do have the cap space).

I have no arguement here, you've made good points and presented your case well. I was under the impression that Vick was still in the deal for when he first signed with the Eagles, so thank you for the clarification.

As for Gooden, point taken, i realize he may not be very enticing. But as a project LB in a new system, at virtually no cost, I could see him tagging on the trade, not that he would be a big difference if he was there or not. However, I'd think JJ would be more likely. He's athletic enough for the 3-4 (judging on the fact that he has been starting in it for some time now) but lacks the pass rush skill, which isn't nearly as necesary in the 4-3. With all the talk of moving him inside on the 3-4, i could see him on the outside of the 4-3. Just a thought, but might be a decent starter for Philly.

Couldn't get to the link, I think you may have to be an insider for it, which I'm not, but I'll take your word for it. You seem smart enough to get solid info plus its off ESPN, so its definitely a reputable source. Maybe if they actually had O-line talent outside of Jason Peters that figure would be different.

I used the term downside of his career loosely. I simply meant he already saw the peak of his career and was now slowly on the way down. He was 33/34 ish at the time. On the other hand, Jay Cutler was 26/27 ish at the time of his trade, which was my main point. I will concede I was wrong about the McNabb trade though. Pretty good value by the Redskins, unless the Eagles clearly saw he was washed up in camp (which the Skins would have no idea of anyway).

As for the arguement of Joseph/Nnamdi, the truth is neither of us have any clue if we are right. he may have chased Aso/Joseph, he may not have. he may have just given one out of the ballpark offer and been out the door, or not even give them a call. Since neither of us know, should we just put the point to rest?

As for Carr, we also don't know. The fact that he hasn't shown injury concern may warrant guaranteed money, but perhaps the Ravens want to see if he can earn starting corner money, so they made less guaranteed so they can cut him and retain some of their assets if he can't step up. Perhaps they planned on using him for a trade. Maybe they just felt like not giving him an abundance of guaranteed money. Although I'd say the situation leads one to think he may have got more in guarantees, we can't be sure till the terms are released, although I would agree with you it does look more likely.

As for your last point, look at who got Nnamdi, the Eagles, and the Jets and Cowboys were reportedly in the hunt, because they are all competing for a championship. I have no doubt the Niners would love to have Asante on their team and he may even provide them with more of a benefit, but the Ravens are chasing a championship and Asante could get us over the hump. Certainly their are cases for both teams, I'd just guess the Niners would rather look for a younger star corner, like perhaps Aquib Talib who the Buccaneers may want to deal because of character concerns, rather than an aged vet like Asante, whereas while the Ravens would still prefer youth, a vet to help with the development of young corners the Jimmy, Webb, Cary Williams, and Chykie Brown as well as to help them get over the Super Bowl hump may be more in the Ravens interest.

Also, I must say Im quite enjoying this debate. Ussually us smart people just agree with each other and be done with it
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I was referring to the aforementioned FA group of Thomas Davis, Kirk Morrison and Rocky McIntosh. Obviously Jon Beason is the best LB on the Panthers, if not their best player overall.

Looking into the Gooden situation, I agree with you. He could certainly tag on to the trade, and if healthy, it's reasonable to assume that he'd push for a considerable role. I could be being a little biased since I've lost faith in him.

No problem. I'm still a bit surprised about the number.

Sorry about the link, and I appreciate the trust. Good point about the OL. Outside of Peters, they don't seem to have a single player making over $2 million on the offensive front.

Yes, we certainly should. Although I'll concede it's just as feasible that Ozzie at least kept in contact with their agents. You have a point about Carr if we're planning on using him as trade bait. Though if I were to guess, I'd say that there's likely about $500,000 - $1,000,000 or so in guaranteed money. So if he is to be involved in a transaction, it wouldn't be hard to eat that amount.

He could get us over the hump. I won't doubt that. And I do see the 49ers targeting a younger CB, like a Brandon Carr, or Aqib Talib, as you've already mentioned. For me, it has to do more with what I see the Ravens not doing than the other way around. We’re relatively conservative when it comes to trading away earlier selections, although it could of course come to fruition. I wouldn't at all be disappointed if it does, as long as he stays healthy.

As do I. It's a bit rare to find an intelligent debate without any personal insults. A lot of solid points in this argument.

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I was referring to the aforementioned FA group of Thomas Davis, Kirk Morrison and Rocky McIntosh. Obviously Jon Beason is the best LB on the Panthers, if not their best player overall.

Looking into the Gooden situation, I agree with you. He could certainly tag on to the trade, and if healthy, it's reasonable to assume that he'd push for a considerable role. I could be being a little biased since I've lost faith in him.

No problem. I'm still a bit surprised about the number.

Sorry about the link, and I appreciate the trust. Good point about the OL. Outside of Peters, they don't seem to have a single player making over $2 million on the offensive front.

Yes, we certainly should. Although I'll concede it's just as feasible that Ozzie at least kept in contact with their agents. You have a point about Carr if we're planning on using him as trade bait. Though if I were to guess, I'd say that there's likely about $500,000 - $1,000,000 or so in guaranteed money. So if he is to be involved in a transaction, it wouldn't be hard to eat that amount.

He could get us over the hump. I won't doubt that. And I do see the 49ers targeting a younger CB, like a Brandon Carr, or Aqib Talib, as you've already mentioned. For me, it has to do more with what I see the Ravens not doing than the other way around. We’re relatively conservative when it comes to trading away earlier selections, although it could of course come to fruition. I wouldn't at all be disappointed if it does, as long as he stays healthy.

As do I. It's a bit rare to find an intelligent debate without any personal insults. A lot of solid points in this argument.
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You said the aforementioned group, and you previously mention the Panther's LB's, so I thought thats what you meant. But, you did mention that LB group too, so I probably should have put two and two together.

Agreed on Gooden, especially the lost faith part.

Personally, I'd rather let go of Carr than Foxworth anyway, and considering he'd be the Eagles 3rd corner they might like Carr better cause he specializes in the slot. Either way, I'd just be excited about Samuel being a Raven.

That is the point that is probably most harmful to my arguement. Yes, we are very conservative in that respect. The biggest factor in my mind is how big of a need that number 1 spot is, how much faith he has in Foxworth. Personally, though, I'd be beyond dissappointed if he didnt make an offer. Considering Samuel is expendable, its worth at least looking into to see if we could get a deal on him. Heck, the Eagles just traded Brodrick Bunkley for a 5th, and he was their best DT (besides Jenkins). Even if it was so they could get Antonio Dixon on the field, they certainly coulda milked him for more. Hopefully, they give us the same type deal with Samuel. Ozzie has proved he'll trade for a need (Boldin, Wilson) but how much does he want an elite corner? Thats the question thats the key to this debate.

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You said the aforementioned group, and you previously mention the Panther's LB's, so I thought thats what you meant. But, you did mention that LB group too, so I probably should have put two and two together.

Agreed on Gooden, especially the lost faith part.

Personally, I'd rather let go of Carr than Foxworth anyway, and considering he'd be the Eagles 3rd corner they might like Carr better cause he specializes in the slot. Either way, I'd just be excited about Samuel being a Raven.

That is the point that is probably most harmful to my arguement. Yes, we are very conservative in that respect. The biggest factor in my mind is how big of a need that number 1 spot is, how much faith he has in Foxworth. Personally, though, I'd be beyond dissappointed if he didnt make an offer. Considering Samuel is expendable, its worth at least looking into to see if we could get a deal on him. Heck, the Eagles just traded Brodrick Bunkley for a 5th, and he was their best DT (besides Jenkins). Even if it was so they could get Antonio Dixon on the field, they certainly coulda milked him for more. Hopefully, they give us the same type deal with Samuel. Ozzie has proved he'll trade for a need (Boldin, Wilson) but how much does he want an elite corner? Thats the question thats the key to this debate.
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I'm almost positive that out of the Panthers' LB corps, I've only spoken of Thomas Davis, but either way, we've put that behind us.

Carr would make the ideal slot CB.

Agreed on Bunkley. He was hampered by injuries in 201, but he was a very solid DT the year before, and will likely continue his success if healthy. I see where you're coming from. Fortunately, with the uncanny speed of this FA process, I think we'll know the answer very shortly.

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I'm almost positive that out of the Panthers' LB corps, I've only spoken of Thomas Davis, but either way, we've put that behind us.

Carr would make the ideal slot CB.

Agreed on Bunkley. He was hampered by injuries in 201, but he was a very solid DT the year before, and will likely continue his success if healthy. I see where you're coming from. Fortunately, with the uncanny speed of this FA process, I think we'll know the answer very shortly.
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I meant you mentioned the term Panther's LB's. not the actual players. But still, the fact that you didnt mention the players is just another reason I should've known you were referencing someone else.

Agreed.

Yea, I'm fairly disappointed in the Eagles FO for letting him go for a 5th. They coulda probably gotten a 3rd out of somebody, or just kept him. Even is they did still plan on starting Dixon, its suprises me with the good moves they've done this offseason they couldnt get anything for him.

Now I'm just waiting for JLC/Adam Schefter to report the news on Samuel. Wherever he goes it will be a huge splash, even if he stays in Philly.

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And by the way, I like how me and you singlehandedly turned this thread into our own personal Asante llanding spot debate.

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And by the way, I like how me and you singlehandedly turned this thread into our own personal Asante llanding spot debate.
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Yeah. I figured we'd see more opinions. A little surprising.

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acquring Asante couldn't hurt! it is obvious that he has a chip on his shoulder because of this Nnamdi deal and i think he would bring it as a Raven.

~Mili