Torrey

[Marcus]

hey torrey.. relax and catch the damn ball!

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='mgridda' timestamp='1314378952' post='767530']
His first preseason game he lined up against Asomugha and likely he's just being bombarded with commands, directives and information. Being put in the position he's in now is so high pressure that he's likely doing a lot of introspection and maybe even beating up on himself a lot for not making plays.

I think he's just hungry and thinking too much. It happens to me all the time. If I got off to a good start, I'm king kong. If I start out bad and there's coaches telling me this, veterans telling me that, then I start to get suffocated in all of that self-analysis and over analysis and desire to do really well and I end up having one of my worst performances.

Ultimately, if you want to play sports and do well, then you've got to turn your mind off and just play. Just have fun. Torrey is going to get there, maybe he's learned enough from this last game for it to happen next game.

I think the reason why they like Torrey is because he does well in practice. I don't want him to be another Mark Clayton, but there have been a few times both yesterday and before where Torrey Smith just needed the QB to throw him the ball for it to be a touchdown. On that WR bunch play where Tyrod got flushed out of the pocket if he would have thrown it up for Smith, then Smith was wide open and we'd be praising him today.

It's too fickle, really. He's got to make better of his opportunities.

And for those of you saying "catching is not learned in the NFL" then just look at Roddy White. A lot of players go year to year on how well they catch. Catching is about focus and hand positioning and hand-eye coordination. All of these things can be improved or can be lost over time. Roddy White used to catch footballs just like Torrey Smith and was heavily criticized his first two years.

Last year he was statistically the best receiver in the NFL.
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The problem is everyone is expecting boom or bust (I blame Desean Jackson, myself). But they forget that the learning curve usually takes receivers 2-3 years to get acclimated to the NFL, which is what you are referring to in Roddy White.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Death_from_Above' timestamp='1314349771' post='766922']
Sorry sir, but you first instincts were correct. He is a Clayton, a Donte Stallworth. He's all speed and no hands. That was his rap coming into the league and in all three preseason games he's dropped passes like a boss. Evans is our burner that can stretch the field, Boldin is our clutch receiver that will get the hard yards, and right now Doss has shown in the game he wants it more. If you want to keep this guy, put him on the practice squad, but don't let him suit up this year. Mark my words, if he plays this year we will all be screaming at the TV when he drops several passes at critical times in a couple games. He's not worth the heartache this year.
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Put him on the PS after three bad games! Absolutely hysterical, you people really crack me up.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Torrey is struggling immensely with the fundamentals of his position. Rookie jitters or not, against the Eagles he ran the wrong routes, looked confused after the snap, and couldn't make a catch. It's continued to go that way for him, even though he's gotten slightly better on his routes. He's still proving to be immensely ineffective on the field, especially after dropping two gimme passes with no one around him.

We drafted Torrey to be a deep threat. However, over the past three preseason games, he's two catches for eight yards, that's 4 yards per reception. Doss, on the other hand, has six receptions for 65 yards, and 10.8 yards per reception. Not to mention, Tandon's made some very nice, and a few difficult catches. If you were ignorant to which receiver was drafted where, you'd assume Doss was the second rounder and Smith was the fourth.

I won't say Torrey is a bust, because it's entirely too early to say that. However, I will say that everything I said about him on this forum before we drafted him was correct. He struck me as a receiver who struggled making the catch, ran poor routes, and his only real redeeming factor was his alleged speed. Torrey and the team can talk about "metal lapses" being the root of his drops, and maybe they are. I understand that even though these are meaningless games, there's still huge crowds and a noisy atmosphere, but Smith should be using this time to just relax, go out there, and start acclimating himself with the professional atmosphere. Instead, he's apparently too preoccupied with wanting to make big plays. Torrey, a play is a play, even during the preseason, and right now you aren't making any, big or small.

Right now, he's extremely unpolished and looking very, very raw, just like I said. Luckily, he has a great work ethic, and a desire to succeed. However, if the mental lapses are the "true" reasons behind his drops, he needs to learn that there's more to succeeding than making "big plays". This season, there's no reason he should be ahead of Doss or even Reed on the depth chart. Don't get me wrong, we'll still see him on the field, probably sent on some nine routes, praying he gets behind a slower, or unaware cornerback. However, I'm hoping that a full season and a complete off season under his belt will help his progress for next season. If he wants to be an asset to this team, as he says he does, he's going to have to use that work ethic of his and step up. If we're still talking about drops and sloppy routes next season though, I think you're going to be hard pressed to find many Torrey apologists.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314381138' post='767581']
Torrey is struggling immensely with the fundamentals of his position. Rookie jitters or not, against the Eagles he ran the wrong routes, looked confused after the snap, and couldn't make a catch. It's continued to go that way for him, even though he's gotten slightly better on his routes. He's still proving to be immensely ineffective on the field, especially after dropping two gimme passes with no one around him.

We drafted Torrey to be a deep threat. However, over the past three preseason games, he's two catches for eight yards, that's 4 yards per reception. Doss, on the other hand, has six receptions for 65 yards, and 10.8 yards per reception. Not to mention, Tandon's made some very nice, and a few difficult catches. If you were ignorant to which receiver was drafted where, you'd assume Doss was the second rounder and Smith was the fourth.

I won't say Torrey is a bust, because it's entirely too early to say that. However, I will say that everything I said about him on this forum before we drafted him was correct. He struck me as a receiver who struggled making the catch, ran poor routes, and his only real redeeming factor was his alleged speed. Torrey and the team can talk about "metal lapses" being the root of his drops, and maybe they are. I understand that even though these are meaningless games, there's still huge crowds and a noisy atmosphere, but Smith should be using this time to just relax, go out there, and start acclimating himself with the professional atmosphere. Instead, he's apparently too preoccupied with wanting to make big plays. Torrey, a play is a play, even during the preseason, and right now you aren't making any, big or small.

Right now, he's extremely unpolished and looking very, very raw, just like I said. Luckily, he has a great work ethic, and a desire to succeed. However, if the mental lapses are the "true" reasons behind his drops, he needs to learn that there's more to succeeding than making "big plays". This season, there's no reason he should be ahead of Doss or even Reed on the depth chart. Don't get me wrong, we'll still see him on the field, probably sent on some nine routes, praying he gets behind a slower, or unaware cornerback. However, I'm hoping that a full season and a complete off season under his belt will help his progress for next season. If he wants to be an asset to this team, as he says he does, he's going to have to use that work ethic of his and step up. If we're still talking about drops and sloppy routes next season though, I think you're going to be hard pressed to find many Torrey apologists.
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I don't think he is pressing because he is trying to make a big play. He just looks terrified of messing up, which is the exact wrong mindset to have. He needs to be confident and in control, and I haven't seen that look yet. Like you said, its far too early to call him a bust but he clearly needs to gain confidence in himself. He has shown the ability to get open, but that hasn't translated to success on the field yet.

[scrock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1314338526' post='766848']



I honestly did not think Torrey's hands were THIS bad.
But hey, it's only a few preseason games, so maybe it's just nerves or an aberration.
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I didnt either, I thought he would make half his catches at least...not the case, he needs to show something next week

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1314381728' post='767594']
I don't think he is pressing because he is trying to make a big play. He just looks terrified of messing up, which is the exact wrong mindset to have. He needs to be confident and in control, and I haven't seen that look yet. Like you said, its far too early to call him a bust but he clearly needs to gain confidence in himself. He has shown the ability to get open, but that hasn't translated to success on the field yet.
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The big play comment is based off what I've been reading, especially the Baltimore Sun. But you're right, a lot also stems from a fear of making a mistake, which is only causing him to comment fundamental mistakes. He's a great guy, he has fantastic intangibles, and the physical abilities to build upon. But right now, he's still a raw, unfinished product.

[mhead66]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1314380065' post='767558']
Put him on the PS after three bad games! Absolutely hysterical, you people really crack me up.
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And trying to put Smith on the PS would mean he'd have to clear waivers first.

A 2nd round pick clearing waivers? No.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1314386432' post='767711']
And trying to put Smith on the PS would mean he'd have to clear waivers first.

A 2nd round pick clearing waivers? No.
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He'd be a Raider in an hour.

[T-ray]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314386756' post='767724']

He'd be a Raider in an hour.
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Oh gosh... just the mere mention of that makes me shudder. Another Terp reciever ruining their career there?? Gahhh.....

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1314387065' post='767729']

Oh gosh... just the mere mention of that makes me shudder. Another Terp reciever ruining their career there?? Gahhh.....
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Smith and Heyward-Bey would torch defenses every game!

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[T-ray]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314387119' post='767730']

Smith and Heyward-Bey would torch defenses every game!
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Wouldn't matter... if the Qb only went to them when they were open and no other recievers the whole game, the Qb would be 0-32 LOL. Meaning they can get open... they just can't catch it

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1314387682' post='767750']

Wouldn't matter... if the Qb only went to them when they were open and no other recievers the whole game, the Qb would be 0-32 LOL. Meaning they can get open... they just can't catch it
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Hence the joke, Captain Obvious.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314387119' post='767730']

Smith and Heyward-Bey would torch defenses every game!
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For no catches, but lots of open opportunities.

[scrock]

[quote name='reporter' timestamp='1314387419' post='767735']
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u have 1 post and thats what u post? get out of here man

[cant knock the hustle]

For Torrey, it's all a mental/confidence thing. If you focus too hard on not messing up in anything, you're gonna do just that - mess up. He's got the talent, he just needs to relax. He's gotta believe in himself more than anything. I know after the first preseason game he was already tweeting to all his haters who thought he was gonna be a bust. You can't have that kind of mindset in sports, or in anything really. Instead of focusing too hard on winning or losing, or doing something perfectly, you just gotta give it your all and it will come naturally.

He's gotta go out there, be confident, and just relax. If he does that he's gonna do just fine, because he's got a lot of talent. I didn't like Torrey particularly out of the draft, but I'm sold on him. If he doesn't believe in himself, no one else will. I'm sure he will put it together with some time. I've compared him to Roddy White before, and I stand by that comparison.

[bscott57]

I have been a hater since jump street and I have been quiet over the first three preseason games, now that I have let some time pass I think it is safe to say that he is DHB. Thankfully we did not take him #7 overall but seriously a 2nd Rd Pick on this guy? Oz for a HOF Tight End I do not understand our difficulty when it comes to finding a decent WR in the draft. Travis Taylor, Mark Clayton.......Torrey Smith????

I am not saying he is a bust already and I sure hope he proves me wrong but I will say that over the stretch of his career he will be a perennial under perform which we are unfortunately all to used to here in Baltimore at the WR position.

Sincerely disappointed.

[Thepurplehaze]

At this point, who really cares how he performs in preaseason? We can afford to bench Torrey this year, settle his nerves, watch our plethora of quality WR's and eventually become his own. This kid's got too much going for him to let his confidence befuddle his NFL career. It' s simply too early to tell at this point.

[scrock]

its too early, if by next year Torrey hasnt made imrovements and isnt making plays then you can start to throw around the B word

WRs take time to develop, very rare for one to come in from College and have success...only 1 or two do it each year..if that sometimes

[FerrariFan87]

Torrey needs to go on a date with the jugs machine and get his hands in shape!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314392185' post='767909']
I have been a hater since jump street and I have been quiet over the first three preseason games, now that I have let some time pass I think it is safe to say that he is DHB. Thankfully we did not take him #7 overall but seriously a 2nd Rd Pick on this guy? Oz for a HOF Tight End I do not understand our difficulty when it comes to finding a decent WR in the draft. Travis Taylor, Mark Clayton.......Torrey Smith????

I am not saying he is a bust already and I sure hope he proves me wrong but I will say that over the stretch of his career he will be a perennial under perform which we are unfortunately all to used to here in Baltimore at the WR position.

Sincerely disappointed.
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Clayton wasn't really that bad per se. He just never lived up to the expectations that came with a first round tag. Over the years he was solid as the two to Mason.

And I think Doss will turn out to be the best receiver we've ever drafted and develop into a quality starter.

[The Raven]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314398595' post='768060']
Clayton wasn't really that bad per se. He just never lived up to the expectations that came with a first round tag. Over the years he was solid as the two to Mason.

And I think Doss will turn out to be the best receiver we've ever drafted and develop inti a quality starter.
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I also think Clayton was hurt by the QB carousel, lack of an OC, and a bad offense in general. Had he ended up with the Patriots or Colts, however, I think he may have done much better.

I agree on that about Doss, he looks to be the real deal. Kinda reminds me a bit of a smaller, but faster Boldin.

[flynismo]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1314423023' post='768363']

I also think Clayton was hurt by the QB carousel, lack of an OC, and a bad offense in general.
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I dunno...didn't bother Mase or Heap; or the RBs

[scrock]

Clayton's problem was inconsistency, at times he was pretty good...and he always seemed to have hamstring injuries

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1314357607' post='766970']Look, against Pitsburgh, he will go against William Gay, Gay stinks, and he could have a big game.[/quote]
Something ALOT of people have forgotten is that Ike Taylor broke his thumb and will probably miss week 1. That means Gay would be pushed up to the #2 spot, and the 3rd WR would be facing either Curtis Brown or Keenan Lewis.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314398595' post='768060']
And I think Doss will turn out to be the best receiver we've ever drafted and develop into a quality starter.
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I'm really impressed with Doss. I think he'll see the #3 spot before the season is over (I have Reed getting it early due to experience) and develop into a great player for us. It makes me especially pleased that he is Flacco's draft pick.

[flynismo]

I think Doss has already locked up the #3 spot. Reed's injury killed his chances of winning the competition, but I think Doss would have won it anyway. I felt Doss was going to be a real good NFL player, but the more I see him in the big leagues, the more I think his ceiling is even higher than I originally thought.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314387119' post='767730']

Smith and Heyward-Bey would torch defenses every game!
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In Madden, they absolutely would. Speed is all that matters in that game, so the Raiders are deadly every year

[gregreid5]

I just don't get the Torrey bashing. Anyone who was expecting an Immediate #2 doesn't follow the draft. Torrey is a raw playmaker. In college he made big plays but was far from a solid fundamental wr. Doss on the other hand reminded me a bit of boldin. Not super fast but quick, elite hands, great competitor. Torrey has the long term potential but anyone assuming Torrey would be ahead of doss doesn't follow the draft. Torrey has more potential. Doss is the guy who will help more next year.

Maybe Torrey turns out to be a bust but someone calling him a bust because of a bad rookie preseason in a shortened offseason needs to have their opinion disregarded