Josh Wilson To Redskins

[mawcb]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311807575' post='718878']
You know, I'm one of the "In Oz We Trust" people, but he's not God, okay? He's not perfect. If Ozzie always knew what he was doing, he never would have drafted Kyle Boller or Mark Clayton. The dude is perfectly capable of making mistakes. We are allowed to criticize the Ravens for making moves that seem wrong. I, for one, am starting to lose my patience with the FO at this time. We could lose Todd Heap this year, all so they could free up cap space and then what? Not sign the best corner we had all season last year? He walked for $13.5 mil over 3 years. Probably would have stayed for less. Are we seriously not willing to spend $4.5m/year on our No. 1 corner?

/rant over
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we are spending about 12-14mil, nnamdi wont come cheap you see.

[sliceanddic3]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311807575' post='718878']
You know, I'm one of the "In Oz We Trust" people, but he's not God, okay? He's not perfect. If Ozzie always knew what he was doing, he never would have drafted Kyle Boller or Mark Clayton. The dude is perfectly capable of making mistakes. We are allowed to criticize the Ravens for making moves that seem wrong. I, for one, am starting to lose my patience with the FO at this time. We could lose Todd Heap this year, all so they could free up cap space and then what? Not sign the best corner we had all season last year? He walked for $13.5 mil over 3 years. Probably would have stayed for less. Are we seriously not willing to spend $4.5m/year on our No. 1 corner?

/rant over
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Completely agree.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1311807572' post='718877']
Foxworth doesn't have an extensive injury history, but I do agree that his ACL could be a cause for concern. As for Webb, he's shown no ill effects from each injury he's had.

I'm fine with the current crop, largely because I believe in the potential of Jimmy Smith, I believe that Foxworth is 100% rehabiliated, and I think that re-signing Chris Carr would be a great solution for the nickel corner since he's more suited to nickelback than on the outside.
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Hasn't Foxy come out and said he doesn't know if it's 100% until he actually starts covering guys? There's no guarantee he'll be back to form anytime soon... usually the first year back is a transitional one, and we don't have time for that.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1311807470' post='718867']
your right he didnt start at CB, it sounds more like he did everything, versatile guy and he's a starter at CB

http://broncotalk.net/2008/06/1655/player-bios-denver-broncos/domonique-foxworth-denver-broncos-player-bio/
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"Status: Valuable backup. Signed through 2008. Foxworth is entering his first career year, and hasn’t committed to remaining a Bronco beyond this year. Domonique Foxworth was born on March 27, 1983 in Oxford, England"

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1311807419' post='718861']
I think he did it more for the money than for the opportunity to play on a good team. Otherwise, there's no explanation as to why any player [i]wants[/i] to go to Washington, unless they were loyal to Mike Shanahan (see: Brandon Stokley).
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I mean thats really all it could be, but I just can't see how we were that far off that number.

[TheSim]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1311807445' post='718862']
Even without Wilson we have 5 CB's pretty much locked into the 53 (or is it 54 now?) man roster without having to sign anyone else.

Smith
Foxworth
Webb
Brown
Cary Williams

If we can improve our pass rush in free agency we will be fine guys. Our top 3 corners especially are pretty good.
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Smith - Rookie
Foxworth - Missed all last year, coming off a surgery that takes a year to heal
Webb - Had trouble as our #3 corner last year, still has to prove he can be a starter
Brown - Rookie
Cary Williams - 2nd year, never played a down in the regular season

Not to be dramatic, but are we seriously saying that's a good crop of corners? What if even ONE of those starters gets hurt?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311807575' post='718878']
You know, I'm one of the "In Oz We Trust" people, but he's not God, okay? He's not perfect. If Ozzie always knew what he was doing, he never would have drafted Kyle Boller or Mark Clayton. The dude is perfectly capable of making mistakes. We are allowed to criticize the Ravens for making moves that seem wrong. I, for one, am starting to lose my patience with the FO at this time. We could lose Todd Heap this year, all so they could free up cap space and then what? Not sign the best corner we had all season last year? He walked for $13.5 mil over 3 years. Probably would have stayed for less. Are we seriously not willing to spend $4.5m/year on our No. 1 corner?

/rant over
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I agree that it is frustrating to see Wilson go to the Skins, but that doesnt mean that Ozzie didnt make him a fair offer. Its still up to the players to decide where they want to play. Washington probably guaranteed him a starting role on the defense, which is something the Ravens might not have done.

Anyway you cut it, it is far too early to pass judgement on what the FO has done so far. Wait til FA is over, then we can sit back and make sense of it all.

[edreedfromtheu]

The Ravens release Mason, Heap, and McGahee to clear cap room... but they can't afford to pay Josh Wilson THAT? I mean, that's a bargain!

Seriously. Did Jimmy Smith promise them that there is no way on earth he could get hurt? Did Webb? Are they so sure Jimmy Smith can even play on the NFL level?

Ravens... there's still a couple players out there available, but I don't get the feeling you're after any of them. Definitely not inspiring confidence, though!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311807575' post='718878']
You know, I'm one of the "In Oz We Trust" people, but he's not God, okay? He's not perfect. If Ozzie always knew what he was doing, he never would have drafted Kyle Boller or Mark Clayton. The dude is perfectly capable of making mistakes. We are allowed to criticize the Ravens for making moves that seem wrong. I, for one, am starting to lose my patience with the FO at this time. We could lose Todd Heap this year, all so they could free up cap space and then what? Not sign the best corner we had all season last year? He walked for $13.5 mil over 3 years. Probably would have stayed for less. [b]Are we seriously not willing to spend $4.5m/year on our No. 1 corner?[/b]

/rant over
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Not when Foxworth is earning what he's earning, Jimmy Smith being drafted, and Webb going into the last year of his contract.

[RavensAllTheWay]

If we can't get Nnamdi (I am leaning more towards the Nnamdi bandwagon than I was a short while ago) and we cut Foxworth, pleae bring in Joseph.

[TheSim]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1311807624' post='718883']
at the moment, Yanda is the 2nd highest paid guard in NFL. His not even pro-bowl. His GOOD, but no-where close the top 5. We overpaid him, and we cut our most productive players. We are keeping Foxworth and threw Wilson out. We threw out Todd Heap so we can try Ed Dickson/Pitta(both players BOMBED last year). This is an absolute disaster if we dont have a big playermaker signed in by end of FA.
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That's misleading and I don't even know that it's true. We are paying him $32 over 5 years, which is 6.4m/year. That's almost 2m/year LESS than the top paid guard in the NFL. And don't forget the guy proved last year he's also a stud backup right tackle.

As far as Pro Bowls... he's only played 4 seasons. Guards don't exactly make SportsCenter highlights, they have to develop a reputation over time to get to the PB.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311807775' post='718898']
Smith - Rookie
Foxworth - Missed all last year, coming off a surgery that takes a year to heal
Webb - Had trouble as our #3 corner last year, still has to prove he can be a starter
Brown - Rookie
[b]Cary Williams - 2nd year, never played a down in the regular season[/b]

Not to be dramatic, but are we seriously saying that's a good crop of corners? What if even ONE of those starters gets hurt?
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He hasn't seen a ton of snaps, but I'm pretty sure Williams has played a down on defense in his career.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311807895' post='718907']
Not when Foxworth is earning what he's earning, Jimmy Smith being drafted, and Webb going into the last year of his contract.
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Foxworth's deal not being restructured yet is ludicrous... talk about overpaying someone. That was one of Ozzie's worst FA deals.

[CapoRocky]

Cut Foxworth and sign Nnamdi. Joseph is not bad, but he's not top dog material.

[GTRavens]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1311807624' post='718883']
at the moment, Yanda is the 2nd highest paid guard in NFL. His not even pro-bowl. His GOOD, but no-where close the top 5. We overpaid him, and we cut our most productive players. We are keeping Foxworth and threw Wilson out. We threw out Todd Heap so we can try Ed Dickson/Pitta(both players BOMBED last year). This is an absolute disaster if we dont have a big playermaker signed in by end of FA.
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He hasn't made a Pro Bowl, but he's certainly good enough to do so. An ACL injury that killed his chances in both 2008 and 2009 doesn't help. Let's see what happens when he's able to play a full season at his natural position. People were actually surprised that we didn't have to pay more to hold on to him. He's also quite versatile and plays tackle well too, so there's additional value in that.

I'd love to know how Dickson and Pitta bombed last year. Dickson showed quite a bit of promise as a receiver and Pitta never really had a chance to prove himself, but had decent flashes as well.

Cliffnotes: You're wrong about everything.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1311807462' post='718865']
Does it matter that we might not be going after a superstar? Its not like you know who Ozzie is talking to, so you shouldnt go around saying he is doing squat. I can guarantee you he has been working his butt off this entire Free Agency period.

You are acting like not signing a superstar has been bad for the team. I think we have been pretty successful with our Free Agency strategy in the past.
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Whoah, did I ever say it was wrong for us not to sign a superstar? I've been quiet since this whole process started. I think we need to add to both lines and take care of our own players first, and I expected Josh Wilson to be involved in that. Now that he's no longer a Raven, I'm pissed off because I think we should have tried harder to keep him, and I'm not a huge fan of Foxworth.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1311807624' post='718883']
at the moment, Yanda is the 2nd highest paid guard in NFL. His not even pro-bowl. His GOOD, but no-where close the top 5. We overpaid him, and we cut our most productive players. We are keeping Foxworth and threw Wilson out. We threw out Todd Heap so we can try Ed Dickson/Pitta(both players BOMBED last year). This is an absolute disaster if we dont have a big playermaker signed in by end of FA.
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Wow....I love when these posters show up with nonsense. Was a quiet and subdued offseason with the typical dozen posters! Love this stuff!!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1311807727' post='718892']
I mean thats really all it could be, but I just can't see how we were that far off that number.
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I'm reading that Wilson has D.C. roots but played at UMD. I can see where the hometown influence plays in, but I agree that it's a bit ludicrous to go for that number in Washington when Baltimore's not geographically that far away [i]and[/i] would've likely paid a similar amount while fielding a winning squad.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1311808020' post='718918']
Foxworth's deal not being restructured yet is ludicrous... talk about overpaying someone. That was one of Ozzie's worst FA deals.
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Thank you!

[Ed_Reed20]

I wish the preseason topics about how screwed the CB position was from last year could be dug up. The front office isn't perfect, but we've been down this road before, and they've come through.

[scrock]

Jason LaCanfora

"Hearing rumblings the Raiders could be suitors for Antonio Cromartie. Corner market is very interesting"

[gabefergy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1311808020' post='718918']
Foxworth's deal not being restructured yet is ludicrous... talk about overpaying someone. That was one of Ozzie's worst FA deals.
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You cant force a player to restructure a contract. He was overpaid for sure, but sometimes you have to in order to fill a need. Our CB situation going into 09' was pretty ugly.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1311808020' post='718918']
Foxworth's deal not being restructured yet is ludicrous... talk about overpaying someone. That was one of Ozzie's worst FA deals.
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So who was he supposed to pay to play CB in '09? Bryant McFadden?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1311806853' post='718794']<br />Oh come on man, he's working on squat. We'll sign some low key FA's by next-next Friday. Boldin was anticipated as well; either him or Marshall.<br />[/quote]


You're probably right. I'm sure he released all those guys for no reason at all.

[TheSim]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311807895' post='718907']
Not when Foxworth is earning what he's earning, Jimmy Smith being drafted, and Webb going into the last year of his contract.
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But that I don't get. They're willing to cut Todd Heap, Derrick Mason, and Kelly Gregg because they're making too much going into the final year of their contracts, but they don't want to cut Foxworth who is going to be overpaid going into the final year of his contract AND is going to spend the year trying to get up to speed from his ACL tear?

People say Ozzie has a plan, but you know... it's not like he didn't want Josh Wilson. The team made him an offer. He decided to go elsewhere, so Ozzie didn't get him. In other words, whatever happens now is Ozzie's backup plan.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Johnathan Joseph anyone?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311808236' post='718941']
You're probably right. I'm sure he released all those guys for no reason at all.
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He did that so he could lock up Ngata and Yanda, and some of our own FA's that might want a lot of money. Mason, Heap and McGahee are replaceable. I'm not saying we won't sign anyone, I'm just saying not to get your hopes up for someone we will be fine without.

[TheSim]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311808198' post='718939']
So who was he supposed to pay to play CB in '09? Bryant McFadden?
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That's not really a fair argument, I mean, it's not like Ozzie just took over the team in '09. If we were in a tight spot and had to sign Foxworth to a bloated contract because we were that desperate, that was also Ozzie's responsibility.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311808135' post='718930']
I wish the preseason topics about how screwed the CB position was from last year could be dug up. The front office isn't perfect, but we've been down this road before, and they've come through.
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This.

Free Agency hasn't even officially started yet, and you guys are panicking. Ozzie is one of, if not the, best GM and judge of talent in the league. He obviously feels the Redskins are overpaying for Wilson. It's the Redskins. They're notorious for doing so. Wilson played a pretty freaking good season for us...but so did Carr. A corps of Smith, Foxworth, Webb, and Carr is perfectly decent if it comes down to that, and there's no guarantees it will. The three biggest corners on the market are...still on the market.Let the front office do their job. The talk I'm seeing makes it seem like we let Nnamdi walk, not Wilson. He's a great player, and I would have liked him back, but he's replaceable..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1311808267' post='718945']
But that I don't get. They're willing to cut Todd Heap, Derrick Mason, and Kelly Gregg because they're making too much going into the final year of their contracts, but they don't want to cut Foxworth who is going to be overpaid going into the final year of his contract AND is going to spend the year trying to get up to speed from his ACL tear?

People say Ozzie has a plan, but you know... it's not like he didn't want Josh Wilson. The team made him an offer. He decided to go elsewhere, so Ozzie didn't get him. In other words, whatever happens now is Ozzie's backup plan.
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With Wilson and Carr as FAs, why should Ozzie have cut Foxworth, and risked him signing with another team as well?