New Steelers Kicker: 70 Yd Fg's

[SteelerEmpire]

He looks good, but can he do it in games when everybody's watching ?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRcff6P_Sc[/media]

[H8R]

The RAVENS had a QB who could throw it through uprights from his knees in a 4ft hole filled with Jellyfish, sharks and Narwhals ( or so the legend of Kyle Boller is told)

Looks pretty impressive though, BAM. HAhaha

[lgcs27288]

By all means attempt this at Heinz Field under pressure so we can get the ball on the 40.

[mhead66]

70 yards is great, but a couple of points:

1. Was he kicking off a tee? I couldn't tell, but Billy Cundiff kicks it through the end zone - 80 yards - off tees.

2. He has been with the Lions and Raiders the last 2 years, didn't make it with either team, and hasn't attempted a kick in the NFL.

3. The Steelers just signed K Shaun Suisham to a contract.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_748679.html

Goodbye Swayze, we hardly knew ye...

[Doctor Who?]

yeah Swayze is gone with Suisham comin back

[XxSizzleXx]

Guys in the end zone just laughing have me cracking up haha. Baaaaayuuum.

[FerrariFan87]

Guaranteed he can't do that in a game situation, especially at Heinz Field.

[K-Dog]

that kid we has two years ago had a hell of a leg too. I cant remember his name but every thing he did in game went to the left, so I always called him "Lefty".

I am not impressed yet.

[ravenwildman]

Big difference kicking with screaming Ravens in your face....Steve, ummm alphabet (can't remember his name) before Billy came to the rescue could kick like a mule but melted under pressure

[thewarden86]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1311799269' post='718246']
Guaranteed he can't do that in a game situation, especially at Heinz Field.
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He wouldn't have to. Just 50 and in. Good coaching and veteran leadership (of which we have both) can teach him to deal with the pressure. We just don't know if he's receptive to it yet. 70 yard FG's are a great starting point.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='ravenwildman' timestamp='1311806893' post='718799']
Big difference kicking with screaming Ravens in your face....Steve, ummm alphabet (can't remember his name) before Billy came to the rescue could kick like a mule but melted under pressure
[/quote]

Huchkah or something like that.

Lefty. Tons of power. Not so much on the accuracy in game situations.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311807361' post='718854']
He wouldn't have to. Just 50 and in. Good coaching and veteran leadership (of which we have both) can teach him to deal with the pressure. We just don't know if he's receptive to it yet. 70 yard FG's are a great starting point.
[/quote]

What makes him any better than Suisham?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311896786' post='722703']
What makes him any better than Suisham?
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We don't know, but Suisham has an established history of missing big kicks. This kid may be no better, but he has a clean slate as of right now.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311897316' post='722717']
We don't know, but Suisham has an established history of missing big kicks. This kid may be no better, but he has a clean slate as of right now.
[/quote]

Oh, I didn't know that about Suisham. Seemed fine to me last season, good leg and made four 40+ yard attempts in one game right?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311897507' post='722723']
Oh, I didn't know that about Suisham. Seemed fine to me last season, good leg and made four 40+ yard attempts in one game right?
[/quote]

Off the top of my head I don't remember. I know he narrowly missed a pretty long one, then missed a long one by a mile in the SB (would have missed from 25). He IS from the area and grew up a Steelers fan, so I'm just happy for the competition. Seems like we'll leave camp with a pretty decent kicker I think.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311897802' post='722737']
Off the top of my head I don't remember. I know he narrowly missed a pretty long one, then missed a long one by a mile in the SB (would have missed from 25). He IS from the area and grew up a Steelers fan, so I'm just happy for the competition. Seems like we'll leave camp with a pretty decent kicker I think.
[/quote]

Yeah he did miss one in the Super Bowl. As a stat person I feel like fans are too critical in judging from small sample sizes. The real problem with kickers is that they can fall into a mental downward spiral, so they need a certain personality/mindset if they're going to kick on such a huge stage.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311898505' post='722781']
Yeah he did miss one in the Super Bowl. As a stat person I feel like fans are too critical in judging from small sample sizes. The real problem with kickers is that they can fall into a mental downward spiral, so they need a certain personality/mindset if they're going to kick on such a huge stage.
[/quote]

Sometimes overconfidence is a weakness as well. See Mike Vanderjagt.

I'm not much of a stat person. I think you know that. lol

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311898601' post='722784']
Sometimes overconfidence is a weakness as well. See Mike Vanderjagt.

I'm not much of a stat person. I think you know that. lol
[/quote]

Didn't say anything about being overconfident, you just have to have a certain ability to shut out the situation. That's why even some of the most accurate kickers are more likely to miss in a huge situation, and when they do it more than once it can become a mental issue.

Also, if there's anything that stats are valuable for, it's something like kicking. Obviously, pressure kicks are a different issue.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311898935' post='722819']
[b]Didn't say anything about being overconfident[/b], you just have to have a certain ability to shut out the situation. That's why even some of the most accurate kickers are more likely to miss in a huge situation, and when they do it more than once it can become a mental issue.[/quote]

I know, it was just something I wanted to note in the convo.

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311898935' post='722819']Also, if there's anything that stats are valuable for, it's something like kicking. [b]Obviously, pressure kicks are a different issue.[/b]
[/quote]

Which is why I think stats have a very limited use. Stats don't measure everything and they never, ever, ever, ever tell the whole story. Stats are misleading.

But I digress, I'm looking forward to following the kicking battle in training camp this year.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311899646' post='722863']
I know, it was just something I wanted to note in the convo.



Which is why I think stats have a very limited use. Stats don't measure everything and they never, ever, ever, ever tell the whole story. Stats are misleading.

But I digress, I'm looking forward to following the kicking battle in training camp this year.
[/quote]

You're basically using a statistic when you say "Suisham has an established history of missing big kicks." Statistics are only misleading when people misinterpret them.

[Yatagarasu]

yeah so what if the kicker can kick 70 yarders. Their margin of error is so huge that if they miss, they're basically giving the other kicker a 50 yarder to try right away. Also, it's easy to harness all the strength you have when you don't have pressure.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311903795' post='723087']
You're basically using a statistic when you say "Suisham has an established history of missing big kicks." Statistics are only misleading when people misinterpret them.
[/quote]

Yes, "basically" using stats. Not relying on them to make everything black and white.

And it is more likely that someone will misrepresent a stat than misinterpret it.

It's a fact my friend: Stats do not tell the whole truth. And when you're only willing to tell part of the truth, it's the same as lying.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311904298' post='723109']
Yes, "basically" using stats. Not relying on them to make everything black and white.

And it is more likely that someone will misrepresent a stat than misinterpret it.

It's a fact my friend: Stats do not tell the whole truth. And when you're only willing to tell part of the truth, it's the same as lying.
[/quote]

I never said that stats tell the whole truth, or that you should rely on them to make everything black and white. That's not something that anyone who understands statistics would think. If you take a statistic for what it is, there's nothing inherently misleading about it. It's people misusing statistics that you have issue with, not statistics themselves.

[flynismo]

Wait, it looks like he is kicking it from the 50 (didnt watch the vid). 50 + 10 does not equal 70*


[i]*unless you graduated from a Pittsburgh elementary school[/i]

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='SteelerEmpire' timestamp='1311785629' post='717681']

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Why are you bringing your trash to this board?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311911006' post='723486']
I never said that stats tell the whole truth, or that you should rely on them to make everything black and white. That's not something that anyone who understands statistics would think. If you take a statistic for what it is, there's nothing inherently misleading about it. [b]It's people misusing statistics that you have issue with, not statistics themselves.[/b]
[/quote]

Exactly, and it happens in nearly every example/argument I've seen used.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311920546' post='723832']
Wait, it looks like he is kicking it from the 50 (didnt watch the vid). 50 + 10 does not equal 70*


[i]*unless you graduated from a Pittsburgh elementary school[/i]
[/quote]

Yes the first two are 60 yarders, then comes 65 and then 70. "Someone" didn't watch the video.

[i]*have to be a magician to keep these kids attention these days[/i]

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1311943035' post='723946']
Exactly, and it happens in nearly every example/argument I've seen used.
[/quote]

Fair enough. At least you know enough about it to recognize misuse and avoid being misled, which is more than you can say for the average person.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1311903925' post='723094']
yeah so what if the kicker can kick 70 yarders. Their margin of error is so huge that if they miss, they're basically giving the other kicker a 50 yarder to try right away. Also, it's easy to harness all the strength you have when you don't have pressure.
[/quote]

Yeah I don't think anyone would try it...unless...4 seconds left in the Super Bowl, down by 1/2/3, out trots the kicker for a last ditch, 70 yard attempt. I'd love to see that.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311952110' post='724210']
Yeah I don't think anyone would try it...unless...4 seconds left in the Super Bowl, down by 1/2/3, out trots the kicker for a last ditch, 70 yard attempt. I'd love to see that.
[/quote]
Or you play for the Raiders and you wanna try a 74 yarder, or whatever it was the game that Janikowski tried a deep one.