Yanda Is Back!

[berad]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1311703130' post='715548']
I say 7.5mil is max for Yanda cuz we have alot of holes to fill up.

I's sadden me that he turned down 6.5million...come on money better than having a ring?

He needs to think it carefully cuz we fans love to have you back as well as the organization.

6.5million is still alot anyways.....
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Contracts are complex things. The $6.5M is probably misleading. Different escalators/bonuses throughout the deal can shift that number.

[arnie_uk]

if we pay yanda 7.5, 8mil what is grubbs going to ask for??

[flynismo]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1311703130' post='715548']<br />I say 7.5mil is max for Yanda cuz we have alot of holes to fill up.<br /><br />I's sadden me that he turned down 6.5million...come on money better than having a ring? <br /><br />He needs to think it carefully cuz we fans love to have you back as well as the organization.<br /><br />6.5million is still alot anyways.....<br />[/quote]



in Yanda's defense, this is the first time in his life he's had the chance to make big time money, so I dont view him as greedy. Get whatever you can if money is your top priority.

But if we cleared all this cap space for Yanda, I will be upset with that decision.

[BloodRaven]

I think we have no choice but to pay him, then each year try to see if there is someone who can replace him, ie give someone like Oneil Cousins some garbage time/pre-season snaps at RG and see if he thrives.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1311703249' post='715555']
Contracts are complex things. The $6.5M is probably misleading. Different escalators/bonuses throughout the deal can shift that number.
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Yeah, I forgot about bonuses.....Yanda needs to think straight....

I'll bet he can make more than 8M somewhere crazy and will never have a ring, not even a sniff at the playoff.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311703537' post='715566']
in Yanda's defense, this is the first time in his life he's had the chance to make big time money, so I dont view him as greedy. Get whatever you can if money is your top priority.

But if we cleared all this cap space for Yanda, I will be upset with that decision.
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I think Ozzie was clearing up for cap space for top priorities, and Yanda is one of those on that list....

[flynismo]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1311703858' post='715575']<br />I think Ozzie was clearing up for cap space for top priorities, and Yanda is one of those on that list....<br />[/quote]


priorities change with the circumstances. Yanda isn't some game changing irreplaceable player. We can go grab Justin Blaylock (who I actually wanted us to draft over Grubbs back in 2007) for much less.

[D-Rey]

I think Yanda is worth 8 million but no more. He is imo an elite guard and a solid tackle. That versatility makes him worth it in my opinion. I don't understand why people are saying he's not an elite guard. He hasn't been in that position since 09, and he was a monster in that year. He had problems at RT, but thats not his natural position. Yanda imo should be our #1 priority behind Ngata.

In the end he will make the right decision, because he is from Iowa. lol

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311704061' post='715581']
priorities change with the circumstances. Yanda isn't some game changing irreplaceable player. We can go grab Justin Blaylock (who I actually wanted us to draft over Grubbs back in 2007) for much less.
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Agreed. Ozzie and Co. know the limits of what they can offer without sacrificing money that could go to other needs at DE/OLB, CB and WR.

[lowrider]

Just because he doesn't catch touchdowns and run for first downs doesn't mean he is a waste of money. Yanda was a big part of Rice's big breakout season two years ago, and we saw how important the RG position was to our offensive line when we had to put Chester there....

Hopefully the Ravens and Yanda will meet in the middle like I imagine they will.

[flynismo]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1311704279' post='715590']
Just because he doesn't catch touchdowns and run for first downs doesn't mean he is a waste of money. Yanda was a big part of Rice's big breakout season two years ago, and we saw how important the RG position was to our offensive line when we had to put Chester there....

Hopefully the Ravens and Yanda will meet in the middle like I imagine they will.
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No one says he is a waste of money. Some of us just don't want to overpay for him

[JO_75]

8 Million is the max for me. If he doesn't take that for whatever length of the deal, I say let him go. We can sign one of the veterans who just got released for a 1 or 2 year deal and we can easily find a Rookie RG in the 2012 Draft. Those are the 2 options we have, $8 Million or we sign a Vet, and draft a young RG in the 2012 Draft.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1311704527' post='715599']
8 Million is the max for me. If he doesn't take that for whatever length of the deal, I say let him go. We can sign one of the veterans who just got released for a 1 or 2 year deal and we can easily find a Rookie RG in the 2012 Draft. Those are the 2 options we have, $8 Million or we sign a Vet, and draft a young RG in the 2012 Draft.
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$6M was the max for me. No way in hell this guy should be getting paid more than Reed and Lewis.

[Clutch Ravens]

I'm sorry, but 8 million is strictly tackle money.

I thought Yanda would be after 5-6.5 million, not upper end Left Tackle money. Seriously, since when do guards make as much/almost as much as Left Tackles?

As other people have said, Grubbs is up next year and he's a better guard at, in my opinion, the more valuable guard position (Left Guard > Right Guard, just like Left Tackle > Right Tackle, in my head anyway). Just how much is he going to ask for? 10 Million+?

I want Yanda back, but not for Tackle money when he's playing guard.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311704625' post='715602']
$6M was the max for me. No way in hell this guy should be getting paid more than Reed and Lewis.
[/quote]

Couldn't agree more... I'd maybe give a little more wiggle room and say that $7 million is my max.

$8 million is just too much. Again, I trust Ozzie and Pat M., our capologist.

[The Raven]

This is funny... people are honestly thinking about letting Yanda walk? The only thing funnier than that is our offense if we don't have him. Chester at RG? NO THANKS. Just imagine, how bad would our OL be if we lost him? Do you really want that??? If it wasn't for Yanda last year, we would've had an even worse offense. Yanda was the glue that kept that OL together, and I feel like some people are VASTLY under-rating him. Let' ssay he walks...

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Chester - Reid/Cousins/Harewood

Looks like we're back to square one, right? Soft RG, and inconsistent/unproven RTs...

Now, how bout this

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Yanda - Reid/Cousins/Harewood

Sounds better right? If you want an elite offense, spend the money. But if you wanna have a repeat of last year, le him walk. Now what really makes sense here?

[mawcb]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1311704153' post='715586']
I think Yanda is worth 8 million but no more. He is imo an elite guard and a solid tackle. That versatility makes him worth it in my opinion. I don't understand why people are saying he's not an elite guard. He hasn't been in that position since 09, and he was a monster in that year. He had problems at RT, but thats not his natural position. Yanda imo should be our #1 priority behind Ngata.

In the end he will make the right decision, because he is from Iowa. lol
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well that pig farmer turned down 6.5mil, he isnt worth much more, hell get paid somewhere else sadly, his agent says they will chase the biggest contract

[JO_75]

[quote name='mawcb' timestamp='1311704984' post='715611']
well that pig farmer turned down 6.5mil, he isnt worth much more, hell get paid somewhere else sadly, [b]his agent says they will chase the biggest contract[/b]
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Chasing SB Rings I would think is more important that chasing the big money to a team like the redskins or bucs who aren't going to win a Super Bowl anytime soon.

[lowrider]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1311704848' post='715610']
This is funny... people are honestly thinking about letting Yanda walk? The only thing funnier than that is our offense if we don't have him. Chester at RG? NO THANKS. Just imagine, how bad would our OL be if we lost him? Do you really want that??? If it wasn't for Yanda last year, we would've had an even worse offense. Yanda was the glue that kept that OL together, and I feel like some people are VASTLY under-rating him. Let' ssay he walks...

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Chester - Reid/Cousins/Harewood

Looks like we're back to square one, right? Soft RG, and inconsistent/unproven RTs...

Now, how bout this

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Yanda - Reid/Cousins/Harewood

Sounds better right? If you want an elite offense, spend the money. But if you wanna have a repeat of last year, le him walk. Now what really makes sense here?
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Well chances are if they let Yanda walk because he wants too much they will probably sign another RG. It will be similar to the situation when we let Jason Brown go to the Rams when he wanted 8 million dollars a year to be a center and then we signed some guy named Matt Birk

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

His versatility is driving up his price tag IMO. By having him around we have a guy who is very good in his natural position but also can cover other positions and do it well, to be fair to him.

[flynismo]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1311704848' post='715610']
This is funny... people are honestly thinking about letting Yanda walk? The only thing funnier than that is our offense if we don't have him.
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You know what's even funnier? Some of us don't realize that we can get guys who are just as good in the FA pool, and not pay through the nose for them.

[The Raven]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1311705098' post='715614']
Well chances are if they let Yanda walk because he wants too much they will probably sign another RG. It will be similar to the situation when we let Jason Brown go to the Rams when he wanted 8 million dollars a year to be a center and then we signed some guy named Matt Birk
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And how'd that work out? Not saying Birks bad but... running up the middle is a little bit of a challenge with him... Like I said, Yanda is the glue that kept our offense together, do you want to imagine a line without him?

[The Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311705312' post='715630']
You know what's even funnier? Some of us don't realize that we can get guys who are just as good in the FA pool, and not pay through the nose for them.
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Idk Fly, everybody and their mother knows Yanda is the best OG in free agency. Jason La Canfora seems to think so too. Ozzie seems to think he's a elite RG as well... Just saying.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1311698924' post='715374']
Right now we freed 18.6 mil, depending on the source we are either 16 or 20 mil under the cap as of now. We still have contracts to restructure, Ngata's extension (which should significantly reduce the $12 mil cap hit we are currently taking on his franchise tag) and the release of McClain, Landry, etc.

So when its all said and done before resigning we should have around:

$36,000,000 in cap room before extending Ngata, lets assume he takes a cap friendly deal with a lot of guaranteed money and plays for about $8 mil per yr

$28,000,000

Now we need to:

a) Resign Yanda or Spend that money elsewhere

If we resign Yanda, lets say he stays for $8mil (I think that is way too much and wouldn't budge off 7, throw in some more guaranteed money if you want him that bad but good guards will be released).

$21,000,000

Now you need to resign Carr or Wilson, since we aren't getting Aso lets sign Wilson for about 4 mil per year

$17,000,000

Now we need to improve the WR corps...Holmes will cost about $10 and Rice should cost about $6...lets go with Rice

$11,000,000

Now we need a big time FB to block for Rice and whoever is the #2 back

Vickers will cost about $2 mil and Leach about $4...go with Vickers

$9,000,000

With the remaining $9 mil I sign the best 3-4 DE out there or two mid level guys

**Just an example**
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First if all, we wont be "releasing" McClain and Landry since they are UFA's, so they will not help our cap. Secondly, your "pre Ngata deal" cap room of $36M is way off. Add to the fact that you made no mention of our draft picks or tenders, this post is horribly inaccurate. Sorry.....

[mawcb]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1311705432' post='715633']
Idk Fly, everybody and their mother knows Yanda is the best OG in free agency. Jason La Canfora seems to think so too. Ozzie seems to think he's a elite RG as well... Just saying.
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not 7 or 8 mil a year for a guard cmon now.

[BloodRaven]

We're going to be breaking the bank for both our starting guards, this is similar to the Saints predicament only we're paying Nicks/Evans money to Grubbs/Yanda.

[berad]

If I was a betting man, I'd say we sign Yanda for significantly less than what [i]some[/i] of you think he's going to want...

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1311705477' post='715637']
First if all, we wont be "releasing" McClain and Landry since they are UFA's, so they will not help our cap. Secondly, your "pre Ngata deal" cap room of $36M is way off. Add to the fact that you made no mention of our draft picks or tenders, this post is horribly inaccurate. Sorry.....
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Ehhh not so much, read it again its pretty dead on. Yes, the draft picks and tenders aren't mentioned but that is the point, to drive home how little flexibility we have in signing big names while retaining our own. Yanda just isn't worth that money. Sign a vet stop gap for 3-4 mil and be done with it. If you want to do your own math go ahead but $36 mil is assuming Ngata's franchise tag is removed and has yet to be resigned, his tag costs $12 mil alone towards the cap. We freed up 18.6 mil already, Ngata is another 12, then you can remove McClain, Landry, Bulger, Carr/Wilson... you're right around $36 mil but again, that is BEFORE extending Ngata and tenders and draft picks, etc.

[The Raven]

[quote name='mawcb' timestamp='1311705613' post='715643']
not 7 or 8 mil a year for a guard cmon now.
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Yanda is the best RG in FA. Hands down. Do we want to let him walk, and start a mediocre guy like Chester again? Do you wanna have an elite offense or a joke offense? The game is won in the trenches, and Yanda wins his battles.

[mawcb]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1311705848' post='715659']
Yanda is the best RG in FA. Hands down. Do we want to let him walk, and start a mediocre guy like Chester again? Do you wanna have an elite offense or a joke offense? The game is won in the trenches, and Yanda wins his battles.
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but we can get a vet guard and vet tackle for that salary and draft another guard next year, 8mil a year for a pigfarming guard is not wise