MERGED: General Reactions to the Reported Cuts

[12jerry]

[quote name='mawcb' timestamp='1311710859' post='715931']
good lord your still going on about this, why do we casre about his playoff games from 5-10 years ago, fact is he was easily covered with one guy last year towards end of year, he then went into 2 playoff games and had 1 catch, again who cares about 10 years ago its about now and the FUTURE not 2000

atleast boldin has an excuse he was being double covered all the time because ol reliable mason was being held in check by 3rd stringers
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man mason was still productive every season with the ravens and still can be used for short yardage he got opean alot last year maybe if we had a much better quarterback or o-line to protect flacco maybe he would of saw mason more instead he was always looking for the big play with boldin or housh

[Romo Ravens]

If we're keeping Foxworth in spite of Carr.. wow

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1311711676' post='715973']
We've been likely to lose Landry, McClain, Gaither, and either Carr or Wilson since the start of the offseason. Landry is one of, if not the best Safeties on the market. McClain wants to be a RB, not a FB, and we don't need to overpay for him if he doesn't even want to do what we want to pay him for. We'll probably keep either Carr or Wilson, but not both of them. Gaither is the big question mark. I think if both he and the organization actually want him to stay, he'll end up staying, but that's completely up in the air.

Yanda reportedly turned down a 6.5m contract before the lockout, so we'll see how that turns out I guess. Ngata's going to get an absolutely massive deal.
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At least Landry seems to be pretty set on returning, sadly we're going to see if he has the heart to turn down the bucks most likely to be thrown at him. The reason I can see McClain returning is if the team's thinking of using him behind Rice. After all, the biggest issue coming from Le'Ron doesn't seem to be the money, but the play style. He [i]wants[/i] to run the ball, and he feels like he proved when the led the team in rushing two years ago. With Willis gone, we might be able to satisfy him enough to return as a fullback/short yardage back. Is that the ideal situation? Probably not, but it's possible.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1311711848' post='715985']
If we're keeping Foxworth in spite of Carr.. wow
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His contract needs to be restructured, but Foxworth is the better player in my opinion.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311712022' post='715993']
His contract needs to be restructured, but Foxworth is the better player in my opinion.
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Agreed, Foxworth is definitely the better of the two. I fully expect Foxy to restructure, especially when the Ravens are so eager to clear up cap space.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311712022' post='715993']
His contract needs to be restructured, but Foxworth is the better player in my opinion.
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I'd personally take Carr over him. I don't have anything against Foxworth, but like you said, he needs to restructure or be cut

[Blex64]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1311711892' post='715987']
At least Landry seems to be pretty set on returning, sadly we're going to see if he has the heart to turn down the bucks most likely to be thrown at him. The reason I can see McClain returning is if the team's thinking of using him behind Rice. After all, the biggest issue coming from Le'Ron doesn't seem to be the money, but the play style. He [i]wants[/i] to run the ball, and he feels like he proved when the led the team in rushing two years ago. With Willis gone, we might be able to satisfy him enough to return as a fullback/short yardage back. Is that the ideal situation? Probably not, but it's possible.
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Him wanting to run the ball is the problem imo. He's an excellent blocking fullback, with decent hands who can also take some carries. His versatility is a huge asset, and he's brutal at pushing the line when he pounds the rock, but he's not Ray Rice. He's going to demand more then its worth for a 2nd RB, and were not going to cut McGahee just to end ourselves up in the same situation. I think the organization is going to part ways.

I would absolutely LOVE for Landry to come back at a reasonable price. I had honestly just about written him off. Here's to crossing fingers.

[12jerry]

sorry cam camron does not know how to use any of the talent around him there are better offensive coaches out there and i believe we change him and our offense would be more potent

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1311712191' post='716001']
I'd personally take Carr over him. I don't have anything against Foxworth, but like you said, he needs to restructure or be cut
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Ignoring the salaries, would you still take Carr over Foxworth? If so, explain why. I like them both but Foxy is a better player IMO.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311712441' post='716016']
Ignoring the salaries, would you still take Carr over Foxworth? If so, explain why. I like them both but Foxy is a better player IMO.
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Yes. I never really liked Foxworth. Everytime I saw his man catch a ball in 2009, he would almost always miss the tackle. Chris Carr is the better tackler than him, is always near the ball, and in my opinion, is the better defender. Add that to the fact that Foxworth is coming back from a torn ACL, who you got?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1311712674' post='716027']
Yes. I never really liked Foxworth. Everytime I saw his man catch a ball in 2009, he would almost always miss the tackle. Chris Carr is the better tackler than him, is always near the ball, and in my opinion, is the better defender. Add that to the fact that Foxworth is coming back from a torn ACL, who you got?
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Fair enough. I wouldn't be sorry to see either of them walk, but think Carr will be retained and I think Foxworth's contract will be restructured rather than cut.

I agree with you that Carr was very good, especially last year, but given Foxworth's improvement further along the line of the 2009 season, I think he could well outperform Carr.

I'd be happy for our CB group either as this:

Smith, Foxworth (restructured deal), Carr, Webb, Brown, Williams.

or this:

Smith, Wilson, Carr, Webb, Brown, Williams.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1311640329' post='713807']
Im depressed too, He is the best WR in Ravens history. I think last year Boldin would have had a monster year if Mason didnt complain to get more touches. Since the week he did it Boldins production dropped. And hes old. And we got youth. And a Steve Smith who wants to come here. Steve Smith! Remember how good he was when Jake Delohme or something didnt suck! He was a top 5 WR. Sure hes getting old but still. Also the Ravens are very young at WR.
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Im with you on Steve Smith but i wouldnt mind getting Sidney Rice either.

Or even S. Holmes someone who could make an immediate contribution as we seen when he played for the Jetts, heck he alone won 3 games for the Jetts that were going to be losses and they wouldnt have been in the play offs. Plus if he can make M.Sanchez look half decent , imagine what he can do for Flacco, he will look like Manning or Brady.

[sliceanddic3]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311713302' post='716062']
Fair enough. I wouldn't be sorry to see either of them walk, but think Carr will be retained and I think Foxworth's contract will be restructured rather than cut.

I agree with you that Carr was very good, especially last year, but given Foxworth's improvement further along the line of the 2009 season, I think he could well outperform Carr.

I'd be happy for our CB group either as this:

Smith, Foxworth (restructured deal), Carr, Webb, Brown, Williams.

or this:

Smith, Wilson, Carr, Webb, Brown, Williams.
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How about this?

Aso, Smith, Carr, Webb.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1311711676' post='715973']
We've been likely to lose Landry, McClain, Gaither, and either Carr or Wilson since the start of the offseason. Landry is one of, if not the best Safeties on the market. McClain wants to be a RB, not a FB, and we don't need to overpay for him if he doesn't even want to do what we want to pay him for. We'll probably keep either Carr or Wilson, but not both of them. Gaither is the big question mark. I think if both he and the organization actually want him to stay, he'll end up staying, but that's completely up in the air.

Yanda reportedly turned down a 6.5m contract before the lockout, so we'll see how that turns out I guess. Ngata's going to get an absolutely massive deal.

Were cutting these players because we need the cap room. Gregg might be back, and Mason seems like he really wants to be here. Heap is the big question mark, and also the one I personally want to return most. He's an ENORMOUS asset to the team, and if we really do lose him it's going to be really heartbreaking.
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Landry I wouldn't mind too much. He is a vocal leader back in the secondary, but nothing more imo. He's not that good in coverage and his tackling has been inconsistent and horrific at times since his 08 injury.

If only McClain realized that his role on the Ravens is blocking fullback. What the hell is the running without the blocking? I'm not sure how likely he is to go, and we do have McKie on the roster, so perphaps McKie could block for Rice and McClain this season. I personally really don't want to lose McClain, as he is also somewhat versatile in the receiving game.

Also, as far as the Wilson/Carr/Foxworth trio, I'd be fine losing 1 out of 3, but not 2 out of 3. One of the two to return should be Carr, as he is the only one who has proven to be a solid nickel CB.

Yanda is back!!!!

And as far as making cap room, yes, I completely understand. However, it doesn't require such an overhaul to clear up the discomfort level we are at and get us back on solid ground as far as cap.

[Bishop]

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1311694936' post='715166']
Well, you certainly implied it on your "mediocre corners" statement.

I don't disagree with bringing in fresh talent, but it seemed like you were undermining his importance in the offense.
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WHo from Kansas City Played Mason in the playoff game? and WHat was Mason's Production that game? Then Tell me Ike Taylor was on him the entire steelers Game after.......

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1311724342' post='716544']
[b]WHo from Kansas City Played Mason in the playoff game?[/b] and WHat was Mason's Production that game? Then Tell me Ike Taylor was on him the entire steelers Game after.......
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Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr likely covered Mason for much of the KC game. Both of them are far from mediocre.

[Bishop]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1311724342' post='716544']
WHo from Kansas City Played Mason in the playoff game? and WHat was Mason's Production that game? Then Tell me Ike Taylor was on him the entire steelers Game after.......
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THE DEFENSE HAS PUT UP ELITE game play and numbers over the last 10 years after the superbowl. Flacco is the QB, OUR QB, and Yea Im saying it The Best QB for our situation. You tell them[i] <bogus>[/i] recievers to CATCH the ball [especially when playing good teams] and we're not having this discussion. OR tell Mason Catch that ball in 08 and we're not having this discussion, OR tell Boldin (dropped TD) Catch the Ball in 10 and we're not having this discussion. Quite frankly. Ray Lewis and I are tired of the excuses catch the ball. <---- Read that AGAIN. Clayton another one, TIRED OF IT.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1311724755' post='716566']
THE DEFENSE HAS PUT UP ELITE game play and numbers over the last 10 years after the superbowl. Flacco is the QB, OUR QB, and Yea Im saying it The Best QB for our situation. You tell them BS recievers to CATCH the ball [especially when playing good teams] and we're not having this discussion. OR tell Mason Catch that ball in 08 and we're not having this discussion, OR tell Boldin (dropped TD) Catch the Ball in 10 and we're not having this discussion. Quite frankly. Ray Lewis and I are tired of the excuses catch the ball. <---- Read that AGAIN. Clayton another one, TIRED OF IT.
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Stevie Johnson.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1311724755' post='716566']
THE DEFENSE HAS PUT UP ELITE game play and numbers over the last 10 years after the superbowl. Flacco is the QB, OUR QB, and Yea Im saying it The Best QB for our situation. You tell them BS recievers to CATCH the ball [especially when playing good teams] and we're not having this discussion. OR tell Mason Catch that ball in 08 and we're not having this discussion, OR tell Boldin (dropped TD) Catch the Ball in 10 and we're not having this discussion. Quite frankly. Ray Lewis and I are tired of the excuses catch the ball. <---- Read that AGAIN. Clayton another one, TIRED OF IT.
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Everyone has bad games. Every receiver drops a ball occasionally. I highly doubt Ray Lewis blames us not going to the Super Bowl last year solely on Boldin, and you shouldn't either. If you're tired of it, you can leave. I don't think anyone's going to miss your awful attitude.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Bishop' timestamp='1311724755' post='716566']
THE DEFENSE HAS PUT UP ELITE game play and numbers over the last 10 years after the superbowl. Flacco is the QB, OUR QB, and Yea Im saying it The Best QB for our situation. You tell them[i] <bogus>[/i] recievers to CATCH the ball [especially when playing good teams] and we're not having this discussion. OR tell Mason Catch that ball in 08 and we're not having this discussion, OR tell Boldin (dropped TD) Catch the Ball in 10 and we're not having this discussion. Quite frankly. Ray Lewis and I are tired of the excuses catch the ball. <---- Read that AGAIN. Clayton another one, TIRED OF IT.
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Because Ray's never whiffed on a tackle in a big situation. Ever. In his entire career. The man's perfect. Ed's never gambled and got burned for a touchdown *cough*AndreJohnson*cough*

I mean, it's not like the defense has ever failed to hold onto a lead that the offense has given us in the final minutes of a game... oh wait.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311637272' post='713599']
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3vs6zlSN_o
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Great video, but next it might be his hip. I loved Mace and what he did, but keeping him would be like standing still in a quickly moving league, we have depth and talent at that position and it's time to move forward..

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' timestamp='1311719622' post='716304']
How about this?

Aso, Smith, Carr, Webb.
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Much better of course But also much less likely unfortunately.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1311712191' post='716001']
I'd personally take Carr over him. I don't have anything against Foxworth, but like you said, he needs to restructure or be cut
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I would agree with you on taking Carr over Fox. Foxworth should be on the decline after a major injury and lots of time out of the game, Carr the total opposite. After that play he gave up against Cincy week 5 of 09' i gave up hope on Foxxy.

[ACTION JACKSON]

Don't beleive Heap and Mason are going to find a bunch of interest for more money. My biggest fear with Heap is I heard he is a Scientologist who doesn't believe in taking drugs (?) Cannot play in this league without drugs, won't work and the older the worst it gets. I think Heap will be back and Mason 50/50 he'll retire.
New wide receivers need his help.
All said and done our offense was pretty poor last year and predictable. Not all of it these players fault, but these guys did have linitations. Put new people in and if the result is the same we know it's the coaching.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ACTION JACKSON' timestamp='1311764168' post='717104']<br />Don't beleive Heap and Mason are going to find a bunch of interest for more money. My biggest fear with Heap is I heard he is a Scientologist who doesn't believe in taking drugs (?) Cannot play in this league without drugs, won't work and the older the worst it gets. I think Heap will be back and Mason 50/50 he'll retire.<br />New wide receivers need his help.<br />All said and done our offense was pretty poor last year and predictable. Not all of it these players fault, but these guys did have linitations. Put new people in and if the result is the same we know it's the coaching.<br />[/quote]


Yeah. They call Heap The Stormin' Mormon because he's a Scientologist.

[BirdWatcher]

[quote name='ACTION JACKSON' timestamp='1311764168' post='717104']
Don't beleive Heap and Mason are going to find a bunch of interest for more money. My biggest fear with Heap is I heard he is a Scientologist who doesn't believe in taking drugs (?) Cannot play in this league without drugs, won't work and the older the worst it gets. I think Heap will be back and Mason 50/50 he'll retire.
New wide receivers need his help.
All said and done our offense was pretty poor last year and predictable. Not all of it these players fault, but these guys did have linitations. Put new people in and if the result is the same we know it's the coaching.
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Your thoughts on Heap are truly wrong. He's not a Scientologist and he has no "belief" against taking medicine.

[kennethroe99]

any ideas if we keep Mclain? I say use him as the second back and bring in another full back

[ravensforlifebro]

Honestly , I think cutting Heap would be a very bad idea. Our two other tight ends are really good, but neither of them has seen THAT much playing time. I think they should at least keep Heap for one more season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='kennethroe99' timestamp='1311772120' post='717189']
any ideas if we keep Mclain? I say use him as the second back and bring in another full back
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McClain looks to be a goner.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311777552' post='717379']
McClain looks to be a goner.
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I agree with you but at the same time the release of McGahee opened the door to his return a little wider IMO. If it's what the coaches want (although I doubt it) then he could have that bigger role he's after now.