MERGED: General Reactions to the Reported Cuts

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312234528' post='731091']
Here we go again-another season of unfulfilled boasts and a whole bunch of steeler bashing-this is like the twilight zone-one hit wonders-how bout contacting Brian Billick? Is Trent Dilfer still out there? Goin into the season with the same old tired defense and O-line and throw in a happy footed , holding the football to long, making the big mistake at the worst moment quarterback, ( who now thinks he's pretty damn good because he said so ) and we all gonna sing da blues again this year. I got an idea-lets just blame the Steelers! That's the Ticket. Lets lets half our really good football players go and grab a half baked fullback from Houston - boy we are good now-Fa Sho!
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"Same old tired defense"? We've added Jimmy Smith, Cody is ready to take over the middle, Kindle is cleared to play and Reed has bulked up and is healthier going into a season than any other year in the last 3. Your credibility is dwindling (actually plummeting) each and every post!

[ooo sugahhh 52]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312248826' post='731392']
Yep its a dirty job but somebody has to do it-don't you get tired of middle of the road teams-the NFL is full of them-always producing the same kind of under achievers that show flashes of brilliance but are never quite good enough-its always the same teams almost every year, dolphins, broncos, jags,chiefs, bears, ravens to name a few and it's always the same teams finishing at the top, pats, colts, steelers, eagles, vikings, packers. Oh yea we won a super bowl in 2000 but i could have coached that team and won it with that defense. That was 12 years ago-sure we got close a couple times but who beat us-the same teams, colts, pats, and steelers. We are competing in a tougher division than ever and we are letting the pride of our team drift away. I say the Ravens are now a rebuilding team and everyone knows what that means.
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Hallelujah!!! the voice of reason has finally come to save us! how dare we have high hopes for our favorite team. thank you for bringing everyone back to earth

[Blex64]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312243235' post='731282']
Lets see-Vontae Leach for 11 mil or LeRon McClain who knows the offense for much less? Hmmm Great minds at work here in Baltimore. While we're at it lets get rid of Heap and Mason-just the 2 hardest working players ever in a Ravens uniform and let our "pretty damn good" quarterback (who only had chemistry with Heap and Mason to begin with) now throw to Dickson and two rookies? Our offense was middle of the road last year-does anyone really think we are now better because we have Vontae Leach? Lets face it-given the fiasco on draft day-Does anybody really know what time it is?
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[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312248826' post='731392']
Yep its a dirty job but somebody has to do it-don't you get tired of middle of the road teams-the NFL is full of them-always producing the same kind of under achievers that show flashes of brilliance but are never quite good enough-its always the same teams almost every year, dolphins, broncos, jags,chiefs, bears, ravens to name a few and it's always the same teams finishing at the top, pats, colts, steelers, eagles, vikings, packers. Oh yea we won a super bowl in 2000 but i could have coached that team and won it with that defense. That was 12 years ago-sure we got close a couple times but who beat us-the same teams, colts, pats, and steelers. We are competing in a tougher division than ever and we are letting the pride of our team drift away. I say the Ravens are now a rebuilding team and everyone knows what that means.
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Your basic football knowledge, like an understanding of what the Fullback position is, is about as strong as your optimism.

Also, it's been a while since the Pats have knocked us out of the playoffs. Come to think of it, have they ever? And the Vikings are top finishers?

I'm feeding this troll really hard. Probably a bad idea.

[ravensdfan]

I have finally come to terms with Heap leaving. I am prepared if we do not re-sign Mason. I am not happy about it, but I have hit the acceptance level of my grief, so to speak.

I think we are alright. The Steelers still have a lot of cutting/renegotiating to do to get under the cap and their O line is mostly rookies now.

Oh yeah. Steelers do suck lol

[FireCamCameronPlease1]

Wizard1,
LeRon will not play for Cam Cameron. Plain and simple. [i]<no profanity>[/i] do you blame him? Ruin the Dolphins, and now falling asleep in the second half, thanks Cam.

Side Note- Mike Tomlin needs to stick to either House or Coaching, because every sunday night i get very confused.

[flynismo]

[quote name='FireCamCameronPlease1' timestamp='1312271169' post='731616']Side Note- Mike Tomlin needs to stick to either House or Coaching, because every sunday night i get very confused.<br />[/quote]


zing! And all this time, I thought Omar Epps just got fat.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312248826' post='731392']
its always the same teams almost every year, dolphins, broncos, jags,chiefs, bears, ravens to name a few and it's always the same teams finishing at the top, pats, colts, steelers, eagles, vikings, packers. Oh yea we won a super bowl in 2000 but i could have coached that team and won it with that defense.
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Wait, you're including the Packers in that group of dominance, the Packers who hadn't won anything in longer than us? And the Vikings? The Vikings who haven't won ANYTHING!!!! They didn't even make the playoffs last season, are you serious? And the Eagles?

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312249846' post='731414']
"Same old tired defense"? We've added Jimmy Smith, Cody is ready to take over the middle, Kindle is cleared to play and Reed has bulked up and is healthier going into a season than any other year in the last 3. Your credibility is dwindling (actually plummeting) each and every post!
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Is that the rookie Jimmy Smith your referring to? is that the bloated Cody your referring to? is that the "can't walk down a flight of steps without almost breaking my neck" Kindle your referring to? These guys are unproven talents! Like I said the same old tired defense without kelly gregg. But to be honest we let a group of awesome football players go, which decimated the core of our team and put us in the rebuilding class of football teams and, since when and in what world do fullbacks not run the ball. Even Le'Ron McClain got in 5 or more carries a game - and what happens when Ray Rice gets hurt and he will the way he gives up his body on every run. Vontae Leach for Magahee and McClain-what a deal! We could have kept both for less money!

[wizard1]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1312303482' post='731862']


Wait, you're including the Packers in that group of dominance, the Packers who hadn't won anything in longer than us? And the Vikings? The Vikings who haven't won ANYTHING!!!! They didn't even make the playoffs last season, are you serious? And the Eagles?
[/quote] Granted it's hard to find dominant NFC teams but the Eagles and Packers always are dominant in their divisions-the substance of my post is on target and everyone knows its always the same teams in superbowl contention and always the same teams in the middle of the pack. Just like its always the same teams bringing up the rear niners, redskins, rams, bills, bucs. nuf said

[FerrariFan87]

We cut Stover, remember? Billy Cundiff's worked out pretty well I'd say. Sometimes you just have to move on... this infusion of youth can't be seen as anything but a good thing for this team's future.

[wizard1]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1312304429' post='731876']
We cut Stover, remember? Billy Cundiff's worked out pretty well I'd say. Sometimes you just have to move on... this infusion of youth can't be seen as anything but a good thing for this team's future.
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Yes I agree we need a strong infusion of youth but its possible to do that without shredding the core of our team. Especially on the offensive side-where we ranked almost dead center of the league-with cam cameron running the offense it's not going to be a pretty sight I think.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312303805' post='731868']
Is that the rookie Jimmy Smith your referring to? is that the bloated Cody your referring to? is that the "can't walk down a flight of steps without almost breaking my neck" Kindle your referring to? These guys are unproven talents! Like I said the same old tired defense without kelly gregg. But to be honest we let a group of awesome football players go, which decimated the core of our team and put us in the rebuilding class of football teams and, since when and in what world do fullbacks not run the ball. Even Le'Ron McClain got in 5 or more carries a game - and what happens when Ray Rice gets hurt and he will the way he gives up his body on every run. Vontae Leach for Magahee and McClain-what a deal! We could have kept both for less money!
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You are utterly clueless. Its not even worth arguing with you, as I feel over qualified.

I will let you continue making a mockery of the written word without my interjecting. Good day!

[flynismo]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312305112' post='731885']<br /> Yes I agree we need a strong infusion of youth but its possible to do that without shredding the core of our team. Especially on the offensive side-where we ranked almost dead center of the league-with cam cameron running the offense it's not going to be a pretty sight I think.<br />[/quote]

well, if a 36 year old wr, a backup RB, a broken over the hill Gregg and an old TE were the core of our team, then maybe we did the right thing?

Or maybe in reality, the core of our team is still here: Flacco, Rice, Boldin, Ray, Ed, Suggs and Ngata, and the guys we let go were replaceable?

[wizard1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1312311595' post='732015']
well, if a 36 year old wr, a backup RB, a broken over the hill Gregg and an old TE were the core of our team, then maybe we did the right thing?

Or maybe in reality, the core of our team is still here: Flacco, Rice, Boldin, Ray, Ed, Suggs and Ngata, and the guys we let go were replaceable?
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Yes I say letting Mason, Heap, Chester, McClain,Stallworth, Gregg and Washington go- ALL STARTERS- was a major core of our team. Who's in charge here in Baltimore-I'm expecting Al Haig to stand up to the mic at any second and say "I'm in Control".Did I hear somebody mention Randy Moss? Where's Brian Billick?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312317396' post='732175']
Yes I say letting Mason, Heap, Chester, McClain,Stallworth, Gregg and Washington go- ALL STARTERS- was a major core of our team. Who's in charge here in Baltimore-I'm expecting Al Haig to stand up to the mic at any second and say "I'm in Control".Did I hear somebody mention Randy Moss? Where's Brian Billick?
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Half the dudes you mentioned were never starters!!! Again, more credibility down the drain!!

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312317480' post='732179']
Half the dudes you mentioned were never starters!!! Again, more credibility down the drain!!
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Are you kidding me-only Stallworth because he broke his foot wasn't a starter?

[flynismo]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312317842' post='732187']<br />Are you kidding me-only Stallworth because he broke his foot wasn't a starter?<br />[/quote]

washington wasn't a starter either, and gregg lost his starting role.

Those guys you mentioned were certainly not going to be the core of THIS YEARS team.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312317842' post='732187']
Are you kidding me-only Stallworth because he broke his foot wasn't a starter?
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You are so off in left field! Too funny....

[FireCamCameronPlease1]

Wizard1, you clearly play madden way to much. who won the super bowl? the Panthers?

[ACTION JACKSON]

Like how people said" the Stallworth experiment was over" what experiment, did I miss it. I watched conerbacks trip stumble and fall all over the field (except Wilson he got thrown down) and we say the Stallworth experiment is over. Cam Cameron has a lot to prove this year. I'd like to see us run nore than 5 successful plays from scrimmage and then not have to call time.

Hint: Troy Polamanu is a very good player and should be blocked if he blitzes: just a hint !!!

[scrock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1312254616' post='731480']
I have finally come to terms with Heap leaving. I am prepared if we do not re-sign Mason. I am not happy about it, but I have hit the acceptance level of my grief, so to speak.

I think we are alright. The Steelers still have a lot of cutting/renegotiating to do to get under the cap and their O line is mostly rookies now.

Oh yeah. Steelers do suck lol
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it took me about a day..i was upset about it but i read everything i can about football, the rumors, training camp pressers, and i hear good things about our young WRs..and i know the front office may not be done

[Gtown Purple]

The fact of the matter is we were not going to be able to pay everyone we had. There had to be some tough decisions made. It's easy to sign people in an upcapped year. The 120 million cao is lower than it was the past couple years when there was one, which is forcing the hand of many GMs. Something had to stop the ever rising player salaries. I don't like seeing Heap or Gregg go but it is time for youth at both of those positions. Mase may still come back, so the book isn't closed there. Heap has been here since 01 and Gregg not long after that. We have to start developing the next generation some time and noe seems as good a time as ever. We have players who are poised to step in with Cody at NT and Dickson\Pitta at TE.

The focus of this off season is what was set out after last year. The FO vowed to jump start the run game and the moves we've made follow that model. The Ravens have always been about running the ball and playing good defense. Our yards per rush average was middle of the pack last year after being top 5 for many years before.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1312372718' post='733234']
The fact of the matter is we were not going to be able to pay everyone we had. There had to be some tough decisions made. It's easy to sign people in an upcapped year. The 120 million cao is lower than it was the past couple years when there was one, which is forcing the hand of many GMs. Something had to stop the ever rising player salaries. I don't like seeing Heap or Gregg go but it is time for youth at both of those positions. Mase may still come back, so the book isn't closed there. Heap has been here since 01 and Gregg not long after that. We have to start developing the next generation some time and noe seems as good a time as ever. We have players who are poised to step in with Cody at NT and Dickson\Pitta at TE.

The focus of this off season is what was set out after last year. The FO vowed to jump start the run game and the moves we've made follow that model. [b]The Ravens have always been about running the ball and playing good defense. Our yards per rush average was middle of the pack last year after being top 5 for many years before.[/b]
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Not that the team can't have a strong/efficient running game and continue to play good D, but the the passing game's improvement is most important. They don't have to pas-happy like the Colts, but the offense has to be able to march down the field in key situations. There were flashes of that last year, and we should see more of it this season.

To your other point, the team's YPC number was actually in the bottom third of the league.

[Gtown Purple]

A good running game sets up the pass. There were times last year where it was obvious we had to pass because the running game wasn't working. I don't want to play Billick ball but getting back closer to 5 yards per carry is where I'd like to see us. The balance we had on offense at times last year was a big change and i hope it gets better.

I thought I saw something that rated us at 15th in the league last year, could have been lower. The point is it's not where we want or are expected to be.


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1312383952' post='733451']
Not that the team can't have a strong/efficient running game and continue to play good D, but the the passing game's improvement is most important. They don't have to pas-happy like the Colts, but the offense has to be able to march down the field in key situations. There were flashes of that last year, and we should see more of it this season.

To your other point, the team's YPC number was actually in the bottom third of the league.
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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1312385013' post='733469']
A good running game sets up the pass. There were times last year where it was obvious we had to pass because the running game wasn't working. I don't want to play Billick ball but getting back closer to 5 yards per carry is where I'd like to see us. The balance we had on offense at times last year was a big change and i hope it gets better.

I thought I saw something that rated us at 15th in the league last year, could have been lower. The point is it's not where we want or are expected to be.
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Under ideal conditions, yes, a good running game sets up the passing game. And everyone wants to see YPC average get back to where it was in '09. Still, there will be times when you need to score quickly. At that point, the passing game has to be a well-oiled machine without the benefit of play-action.

The running game was probably rated 15th overall. Strictly looking yards per carry, the Ravens were among the worst in the league.

[ACTION JACKSON]

I was not pleasantly surprised about the Ravens cuts in thepassing game, but it's not over til it's over there is still a lot of moving and shaken going on out there.We don't really know what our adversaries are going to look like until opening day. People would be happy with a
3 and 13 season as long as the 3 were Pittsburgh and the Colts. Remember when the Arizona game was a big yawn on the sched. Now thta Heap is there bet that has changed. Cinncinnati seems intent on destroying themselves. I was optimistic last year and disappointed. This year I'm just curious.

[wizard1]

I am seeing the disintegration of the Baltimore Ravens my beloved team. I can't believer Rice is trash talking the Steelers already. Marc Bulger knew enough to get off the sinking ship. Birk out, Casey Rabach finished, Flacco has Boldin to throw to and Rice to hand the ball off to - if any of these three players get hurt it's over. What happening here? How can we possibly compete in the AFC with this team?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312417736' post='734068']
I am seeing the disintegration of the Baltimore Ravens my beloved team. I can't believer Rice is trash talking the Steelers already. Marc Bulger knew enough to get off the sinking ship. Birk out, Casey Rabach finished, Flacco has Boldin to throw to and Rice to hand the ball off to - if any of these three players get hurt it's over. What happening here? How can we possibly compete in the AFC with this team?
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Yeah, seriously......Its not like Reid has been impressing at the RT position and the hands of Smith and Doss haven't been slight showcases or anything. I mean, no way Anthony Allen can step in and be RB2 behind Leach. Seriously, who's this guy Leach anyway?

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312417968' post='734078']
Yeah, seriously......Its not like Reid has been impressing at the RT position and the hands of Smith and Doss haven't been slight showcases or anything. I mean, no way Anthony Allen can step in and be RB2 behind Leach. Seriously, who's this guy Leach anyway?
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Leach has a grand total of 3 yds in 3 attempts with Houston-although he is a good blocking fullback-11 Mil? Do you have any idea what we are gonna do at the center position-Heap was such a great blocking TE-The only way Flacco can be effective is if he has time-with some of the outstanding defenses we are facing this year -it could get ugly-I want to be optimistic but seriously!!!!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1312419462' post='734127']
Leach has a grand total of 3 yds in 3 attempts with Houston-although he is a good blocking fullback-11 Mil? Do you have any idea what we are gonna do at the center position-Heap was such a great blocking TE-The only way Flacco can be effective is if he has time-with some of the outstanding defenses we are facing this year -it could get ugly-I want to be optimistic but seriously!!!!
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Leach is a FB, yards mean squat. You think perhaps the addition of a true blocking FB will assist in the transition to the Dickson/Pitta era?

Center does have me worried....cant put on a smile when talking about that.