MERGED: General Reactions to the Reported Cuts

[Blex64]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311779291' post='717438']
I agree with you but at the same time the release of McGahee opened the door to his return a little wider IMO. If it's what the coaches want (although I doubt it) then he could have that bigger role he's after now.
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Why? What's the point of releasing McGahee if were going to turn around and give a large contract to McClain to be our 2nd RB?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1311780902' post='717488']
Why? What's the point of releasing McGahee if were going to turn around and give a large contract to McClain to be our 2nd RB?
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Because McClain is also a fullback? And he doesn't necessarily have to earn what McGahee was going to earn (which was too much).

[mhead66]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311781040' post='717493']
Because McClain is also a fullback? And he doesn't necessarily have to earn what McGahee was going to earn (which was too much).
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McClain has made it clear that he doesn't want to be the blocking FB for Ray Rice, he wants the football. I don't necessarily blame him, but it's not logical for Ray Rice to sit on the bench and for Cam to give LeRon 20 carries a game. Not going to happen.

Besides, Jason McKie - even though he doesn't have the skill set of McClain - is making $765,000, and no way LeRon will settle for that. Starting FBs don't make much, but RBs, that's another story.

LeRon wants to be paid like a RB, not a FB. I don't blame him, but he won't get it in Baltimore.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/bal/baltimore-ravens

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1311780902' post='717488']
Why? What's the point of releasing McGahee if were going to turn around and give a large contract to McClain to be our 2nd RB?
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Versatility. I feel that McClain could do McGahee's job at least as well as Willis was and could also be used as a lead blocker at times. It's the same reason that saw Yanda retained (at a higher price).

I'm not saying that it will happen, but it's a possibility. It's more likely to happen now that the no.2 RB spot is up for grabs.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1311781799' post='717526']
McClain has made it clear that he doesn't want to be the blocking FB for Ray Rice, he wants the football. I don't necessarily blame him, but it's not logical for Ray Rice to sit on the bench and for Cam to give LeRon 20 carries a game. Not going to happen.

Besides, Jason McKie - even though he doesn't have the skill set of McClain - is making $765,000, and no way LeRon will settle for that. Starting FBs don't make much, but RBs, that's another story.

LeRon wants to be paid like a RB, not a FB. I don't blame him, but he won't get it in Baltimore.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/bal/baltimore-ravens
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I don't disagree, I'm just saying that McClain and McGahee are two very different cases. McGahee was a luxury we simply couldn't afford. McClain wants to be a RB, so it all depends on him I guess. I'm not sure if he would be happy with most of McGahee's carries or if he wants more.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1311794667' post='718066']
I don't disagree, I'm just saying that McClain and McGahee are two very different cases. McGahee was a luxury we simply couldn't afford. McClain wants to be a RB, so it all depends on him I guess. I'm not sure if he would be happy with most of McGahee's carries or if he wants more.
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we need a mcclain replacement I think this kid we picked up from miami is going to replace willis hands down

[ACTION JACKSON]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1311769112' post='717129']
Your thoughts on Heap are truly wrong. He's not a Scientologist and he has no "belief" against taking medicine.
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Guess I was wrong but swore I heard that on some sports show.A person his age at his position does not heal as fast as the younger guys, just part of his declining value. We will see what he's worth in a few weeks. All teams are in the same boat it's going to be wild. I like the salary cap and the non-garunteed contracts, beats the hell out of what has happened to baseball.

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So you think Dickson can handle the job. He might play that postion, we will have to see if he can do all that Heap did.

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[quote name='Marcus' timestamp='1311636408' post='713513']
I cant believe this. I wanted the Ravens cut all these players and their actually doing it. This just proves I need to be a GM for an NFL team.

- Start Dickson.. Backup Pitta.. Heap is getting old and always hurt
- Cut Mason to free up our rookie WRs..
Boldin
Smith
Hardy
Doss
Reed
Smith
-Gregg too old. Time for mountain cody to get his PT
-Mcgahee. Hes good but overpaid for a backup RB. Rookie Anthony Allen can take his place.

I really think this mad us not only younger but better.
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[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311768042' post='717117']
Yeah. They call Heap The Stormin' Mormon because he's a Scientologist.
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dude I almost lost it

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='CLS' timestamp='1311803156' post='718477']
So you think Dickson can handle the job. He might play that postion, we will have to see if he can do all that Heap did.
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Yes

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='ravensforlifebro' timestamp='1311773653' post='717235']
Honestly , I think cutting Heap would be a very bad idea. Our two other tight ends are really good, but neither of them has seen THAT much playing time. I think they should at least keep Heap for one more season.
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Because they would see so much more playing time behind him, and what if he actually stays healthy for a season than they will get even less. Or what we could do is give them time to actually prove themselves.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311783138' post='717593']
Versatility. I feel that McClain could do McGahee's job at least as well as Willis was and could also be used as a lead blocker at times. It's the same reason that saw Yanda retained (at a higher price).

I'm not saying that it will happen, but it's a possibility. It's more likely to happen now that the no.2 RB spot is up for grabs.
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The only thing McClain has over McGahee is blocking and media headlines. Willis has been nothing but a class act since he got here, he is faster, leaner, and can definitely catch better, oh and he has not recently gotten a case of prima donna syndrome. In all actuality if I was going to pick one of those 2 to have on the roster it would not be Le'Ron.

[PeRK82]

If you have seen any of my other Post, i have made it Known that i am royally pissed that Mason is gone and if he doesnt come back then we better sign Steve Smith (he wants to come here so you know he will perform to his best).

I did want S. Holmes but i kinda knew that wasn't going to happen when Holmes makes M. Sanchez actually looks good at times and we all know he isnt very good. (he alone won 3 games for them and caused them to go to the play offs)

I also wanted Sidney Rice but found out he went to the Seahawks, im starting to think the Seahawks are going to be the Team to beat in the NFC. They are signing some good players. Im pretty sure we play them too in there Loud stadium.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1311824467' post='720002']
The only thing McClain has over McGahee is blocking and media headlines. Willis has been nothing but a class act since he got here, he is faster, leaner, and can definitely catch better, oh and he has not recently gotten a case of prima donna syndrome. In all actuality if I was going to pick one of those 2 to have on the roster it would not be Le'Ron.
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If it was my choice i wouldnt pick either, Mclain is a fullback and could potentially be one the best but he wants the big bucks that running backs want.

If Mclain doesnt want to be a fullback then get rid of him and get a fullback, We do have other running backs Steel, Parmelee and i think Allen (drafted) , also i think we also signed a rookie free agent, could be wrong but i feel were stacked and need to focus on our Defense now. I dont expect much from our offense (i do think it will be better, it sure as heck cant be any worse). I want our Defense to be stacked and stacked some more, let the D win us the games and the Offense not lose them. If we want to beat the crap out of the Stealers then we need to throw the ball on them, every other team that has beat the Stealer have thrown on them. EX. The Pats and GB. nuff said.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1311824467' post='720002']
The only thing McClain has over McGahee is blocking and media headlines. Willis has been nothing but a class act since he got here, he is faster, leaner, and can definitely catch better, oh and he has not recently gotten a case of prima donna syndrome. In all actuality if I was going to pick one of those 2 to have on the roster it would not be Le'Ron.
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I can understand your point but I still think that McClain could carry at least some of the pressure that McGahee had. He might be slower, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't got the big play potential, just ask Dallas. He also isn't as good a catcher but he is competent, even so, Rice is one of the best pass catchers at RB in the league so he won't be asked to do a great deal of that. Then you add in to the equation that he'd be happy with his role, so he probably won't have any prima donna moments about how the team is using him. He could also be used to block for Rice as well. Putting them in the back field at the same time could be so much more dangerous than before.

[ACTION JACKSON]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311842075' post='720393']
I can understand your point but I still think that McClain could carry at least some of the pressure that McGahee had. He might be slower, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't got the big play potential, just ask Dallas. He also isn't as good a catcher but he is competent, even so, Rice is one of the best pass catchers at RB in the league so he won't be asked to do a great deal of that. Then you add in to the equation that he'd be happy with his role, so he probably won't have any prima donna moments about how the team is using him. He could also be used to block for Rice as well. Putting them in the back field at the same time could be so much more dangerous than before.
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McGahee just costs to much. I don't think teams are going to line-upto give him the money he was
making, therefore he may return.McClain needs to get his head right, success can fix that, either one not a big deal. Need a good blocking back and a thicker playbook, somebody has to get those blitzers or they can all stay home.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311842075' post='720393']
I can understand your point but I still think that McClain could carry at least some of the pressure that McGahee had. He might be slower,[b] but that doesn't mean that he hasn't got the big play potential, just ask Dallas.[/b] He also isn't as good a catcher but he is competent, even so, Rice is one of the best pass catchers at RB in the league so he won't be asked to do a great deal of that. Then you add in to the equation that he'd be happy with his role, so he probably won't have any prima donna moments about how the team is using him. He could also be used to block for Rice as well. Putting them in the back field at the same time could be so much more dangerous than before.
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Ok that was one time, that was the exception not the rule. In his best season that did not happen all the time, barely ever in fact. And when you look at the play the FB (the real one in that play) was the one who made the play. He made the block that sprung him than stayed with him step for step (keep in mind Neal was old by then) while he ran down the field and then blocked someone else for that. I would be willing to be to could hand you the football, and give you that size of a hole with Neal blocking for you and you could have done that.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1311855278' post='720480']
Ok that was one time, that was the exception not the rule. In his best season that did not happen all the time, barely ever in fact. And when you look at the play the FB (the real one in that play) was the one who made the play. He made the block that sprung him than stayed with him step for step (keep in mind Neal was old by then) while he ran down the field and then blocked someone else for that. I would be willing to be to could hand you the football, and give you that size of a hole with Neal blocking for you and you could have done that.
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I know it was an exception, but that bears the same with all RBs. I don't recall many big runs from Rice last year sadly but that doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him. I just think that McClain could do the majority of what McGahee was asked to do and do it well. I still think it's unlikely that he'll return and if he were to return in the role I think he could, it would mean we'd likely need to keep another full time FB around to block for him.

[Corvus]

We need a vet TE on a 1 year deal who can pass block efficiently. I trust Dickson and Pitta as pass catchers, but not for helping keep the Harrisons and Woodleys of the league out of Flacco's face. Then maybe by next season Ed and Dennis will have had a little more time to work on that aspect of their games.

[Sarahs Mommy]

I truely hope that the Ravens re-sign Mason and Heap. I think that if we are going to make a run for the big dance we need to keep some of our veterns and sign a few rookies. Mason is not too old! He still has a kick in his step and I think we need to re-sign him. I want to see Cameron let Joe do his thing!! We never really utilized our "weapons" last year. I want to see Joe run his offense!
love you Derrick! Hope to see you in Purple and Black this season!!!!!

[Sarahs Mommy]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311864829' post='720889']
I know it was an exception, but that bears the same with all RBs. I don't recall many big runs from Rice last year sadly but that doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him. I just think that McClain could do the majority of what McGahee was asked to do and do it well. I still think it's unlikely that he'll return and if he were to return in the role I think he could, it would mean we'd likely need to keep another full time FB around to block for him.
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Ray Rice injured his knee last season, but had surgery in March. Souces are saying that he looks great! I hope to see him breakout this season. I missed seeing him breakout last season!

[flynismo]

I sent an email to Willis' rocketmail. I expected a standard reply from one of his cohorts (PR, whoever), but he actually responded to me personally.I'm even more depressed that he is gone after reading his reply to me. One of the things he mentioned is that the community work he started here will continue even after he officially leaves, because he said Baltimore will always be a part of him.But, on a cheerful note, he found it hilarious when I responded to one of his comments with a "Whachu talkin' bout Willis?!". (that's from an 80s sitcom for you young 'uns)

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Sarahs Mommy' timestamp='1311872986' post='721293']
Ray Rice injured his knee last season, but had surgery in March. Souces are saying that he looks great! I hope to see him breakout this season. I missed seeing him breakout last season!
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Yeah I definitely hope to see Rice get back to near his '09 form at least. He really suffered from the lack of push generated from Birk and Chester.

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311876455' post='721455']
I sent an email to Willis' rocketmail. I expected a standard reply from one of his cohorts (PR, whoever), but he actually responded to me personally.I'm even more depressed that he is gone after reading his reply to me. One of the things he mentioned is that the community work he started here will continue even after he officially leaves, because he said Baltimore will always be a part of him.But, on a cheerful note, he found it hilarious when I responded to one of his comments with a "Whachu talkin' bout Willis?!". (that's from an 80s sitcom for you young 'uns)
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k[/media]

For those who haven't seen it.

[RoflDogs]

Art Jones already took Kelly's 97. Doesn't bode well for him coming back

[flynismo]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1311878113' post='721566']<br />Art Jones already took Kelly's 97. Doesn't bode well for him coming back<br />[/quote]

I view that as a positive. Love Gregg, wish him the best though.

[RoflDogs]

Damien Berry wearing 23 too. They must like him a lot to give him a good number (Dude looks like he was a beast in Miami too)

[Jon_21]

I'm so excited for the upcoming season. This is the year the Ravens finally get over the top and win the big one.

Unfortunately as my account is new I cannot start a new topic for this. We all know how important Heap is to our offence, not just as Flacco's security blanket pass catcher but also in blocking schemes. As much as I like Dickson, I feel much more confident with Heap lining up on the line.

I would like to believe the plan all along from Ozzie is to bring him back at a reduced rate.

It appears he has joined twitter and is looking for some input from the fans. Let's show him some Baltimore Ravens love and get him back on the team to help win the Super Bowl this year. We all know he would be a key piece in us making it all the way. It just won't feel as good without him there holding the Lombardi trophy. He's looking for us to reach out and let's show him again why we're the best and he needs to be a Raven.

(Someone make this a separate thread is possible) - We can make a difference and help bring back HEAPPPPP!!!!!

http://twitter.com/#!/ToddHeap86

"Good time for me to join Twitter and start communicating with the fans as I make some important decisions. Stay tuned."

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

First I would like to wish Willis all the best and thank him for all he's done for the Ravens. Sadly we can't keep everyone with the new cap in place, but the Ravens have always found a way to fill the void when a player leaves for any reason. There are alot of players that are going to become available and the I like the fact that the Ravens are not making "knee jerk" reactions. In the end I trust our entire front office and feel confident we will be alright.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

we lost chester guys man our guys are like rats on a sinking boat what in the world is going on at the castle