Andrew Luck Lottery

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1324829362' post='922374']
if the jags get ahead of the browns the browns might move up to pick ahead of the jags and take rg3
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Jags aren't taking a QB. They re-signed their current GM to a 3 year extension and since he drafted Gabbert he'll give him time to develop. Browns I can see taking a QB and again I can see Miami or Washington in a scenario where the Colts take Luck and those two try to trade up and jump each other to get RG3.

[arnie_uk]

You really think if RG3 is sitting there they pass him up? they need to fill that stadium, they need to win games, they need a spark, and with the new owner, having no money tied up in Gabbert he could ask for him (if he has any interest in football he will know RG3 could be what they need)

Gabbert is scared in the pocket, if he was just poor, i would give him another chance, no doubt, but when your QB is scared, im looking elsewhere if im a coach/GM/Owner

[Purple Punishment]

Rams have a shot at the top pick. Of course they are sticking with Bradford. Who is most likely to mortgage their future to get Luck and what would they realistically have to give up?

[JO_75]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1325439541' post='928036']
Rams have a shot at the top pick. Of course they are sticking with Bradford. Who is most likely to mortgage their future to get Luck and what would they realistically have to give up?
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Miami or Washington guaranteed.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1325439541' post='928036']
Rams have a shot at the top pick. Of course they are sticking with Bradford. Who is most likely to mortgage their future to get Luck and what would they realistically have to give up?
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If the Browns want him they have more ammunition than anyone else to go get him. They'll have a pick in the top 5/10 and in the mid 20's, throw a few future picks in there and Luck is their's, assuming the Rams get the 1st overall pick.

[JO_75]

The Colts lose 19 to 13 and fall to 2-14 on the season and now hold the # 1 Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Andrew Luck may begin looking for an apartment in Indy.

[Victor Charlie]

This is the hot topic of the offseason. If you're the Colts, why not trade down, get some picks and then draft RGIII?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Victor Charlie' timestamp='1325884806' post='936730']
This is the hot topic of the offseason. If you're the Colts, why not trade down, get some picks and then draft RGIII?
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Let me ask you this. Would you rather have Vick or Manning?

[Fricknmaniac]

I'll tell you why you don't trade down and draft RGIII

Ryan Leaf.

It just seems like one heck of a coincidence that 14 years after Manning and Leaf went 1-2 when there was such a split over which one is better. And now the same situation has suddenly popped up with the Colts holding the first overall selection again.

Don't second guess yourself, just take Luck and be done with ti.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1325909792' post='936993']
I'll tell you why you don't trade down and draft RGIII

Ryan Leaf.

It just seems like one heck of a coincidence that 14 years after Manning and Leaf went 1-2 when there was such a split over which one is better. And now the same situation has suddenly popped up with the Colts holding the first overall selection again.

Don't second guess yourself, just take Luck and be done with ti.
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Agreed, but what's your opinion on what they do with Manning?

My idea is you keep Peyton for at least 6 games, show the league he can still play and have Luck sit behind and learn for a bit. If Peyton shows he can still play at a high level, trade him to a team like the Jets for Santonio and a pick and have Santonio there with Luck especially since Wayne might be on his way out.

There must be a reason why this scenario isn't being mentioned. Any ideas?

[Fricknmaniac]

I think they should keep both Manning and Luck. Let Manning play until he retires, whenever that might be, and let Luck tutor behind him. It's going to be a bigger hit against the cap and while that does mean that they won't be able to make bigger splashes in free agency, that's never been the MO for the Colts, they've always built through the draft.

The problem is that their last five draft classes have been absolutely abysmal. That's really what got the Polians fired, the terrible drafting. So you bring in a new GM and rebuild through the draft. While it would be beneficial to trade out of the first pick to get some more picks to rebuild, I think they'd be much better off drafting Luck, having him tutor under Manning, and take over when Manning retires in a few years. You know Manning can carry a team by himself, but with a new GM and and non-zero hits on draft picks, they could bounce back quick.

[JO_75]

Not like we didn't know this but even without a GM in place, Jim Irsay has already decided to Draft Andrew Luck. So now the real question becomes what happens to Peyton, I like Fricknmaniac's post above about keeping both. I think you go Luck in the 1st, get your future quarterback then from build up the team with the picks in 2-7 so that Luck will actually have help, and a team around him.

So St. Louis Your On the Clock.

[ravensdfan]

It's funny because I believe that RGIII is the better over all QB. Yes, it's just my opinion but he's more accurate and has a stronger arm. Wonder if the Colts might go that route? If not, it could be the Browns take him.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1325962637' post='937295']
Not like we didn't know this but even without a GM in place, Jim Irsay has already decided to Draft Andrew Luck. So now the real question becomes what happens to Peyton, I like Fricknmaniac's post above about keeping both. I think you go Luck in the 1st, get your future quarterback then from build up the team with the picks in 2-7 so that Luck will actually have help, and a team around him.

So... St.. Louis Your On the Clock.
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Both Oliver Luck (Andrew's Dad) and Archie Manning (Peyton's Dad) have said they can't see their sons playing on the same team. Luck feels (and rightfully so) that he can come in and contribute straight away.



Also, the comparison of Manning & Leaf to Luck & Griffin earlier in this thread was ridiculous. Leaf was an [profanity deleted] of a human being. Griffin's a genius and has no character concerns. Griffin's a bigger, smarter Mike Vick. Can you imagine how good Vick would've been if he had the ability to read a defense? That's the potential Griffin has. If the Browns get RGIII I'll be raging. He's capable of turning that sorry franchise around.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1325963215' post='937301']

Both Oliver Luck (Andrew's Dad) and Archie Manning (Peyton's Dad) have said they can't see their sons playing on the same team. Luck feels (and rightfully so) that he can come in and contribute straight away.



[b]Also, the comparison of Manning & Leaf to Luck & Griffin earlier in this thread was ridiculous. [/b]Leaf was an [profanity deleted] of a human being. Griffin's a genius and has no character concerns. Griffin's a bigger, smarter Mike Vick. Can you imagine how good Vick would've been if he had the ability to read a defense? That's the potential Griffin has. If the Browns get RGIII I'll be raging. He's capable of turning that sorry franchise around.
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You think Archie is tutoring Oliver on how to pull a Power Play to get Andrew out of playing in Indy similar to how Archie helped Eli get out of San Diego?

If you want to compare any player to Leaf, then the only person I can think of who deserves that comparison is Jamarcus Russel.

[reediddy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1325963529' post='937304']

You think Archie is tutoring Oliver on how to pull a Power Play and to get Andrew out of playing in Indy similar to how Archie tutored Eli in getting out of San Diego?

If you want to compare any player to Leaf, then the only person I can think of who deserves that comparison is Jamarcus Russel.
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I think it's very likely that Luck may pull an Eli, with how involved Oliver seems to be with Andrew. So I wouldn't be surprised

[Fricknmaniac]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1325963215' post='937301']
Also, the comparison of Manning & Leaf to Luck & Griffin earlier in this thread was ridiculous. Leaf was an [profanity deleted] of a human being. Griffin's a genius and has no character concerns. Griffin's a bigger, smarter Mike Vick. Can you imagine how good Vick would've been if he had the ability to read a defense? That's the potential Griffin has. If the Browns get RGIII I'll be raging. He's capable of turning that sorry franchise around.
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I was less comparing RGIII to Ryan Leaf and more comparing the situation then to the situation this year. (Colts hold #1 pick and there is now a huge question over which of the top 2 QBs is better.) The implication was that the Colts have had their eyes on Andrew Luck for a while now and after seeing what happened the last time they were in this situation, they might be a bit gunshy about selecting anyone except for Andrew Luck.

That's not intended by a critique of RGIII, but an analysis of what the Colts mentality might be. My comments would still apply if it was a question between Andrew Luck and Ryan Tannehill.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1325964582' post='937317']

I was less comparing RGIII to Ryan Leaf and more comparing the situation then to the situation this year. (Colts hold #1 pick and there is now a huge question over which of the top 2 QBs is better.) The implication was that the Colts have had their eyes on Andrew Luck for a while now and after seeing what happened the last time they were in this situation, they might be a bit gunshy about selecting anyone except for Andrew Luck.

[b]That's not intended by a critique of RGIII,[/b] but an analysis of what the Colts mentality might be. My comments would still apply if it was a question between Andrew Luck and Ryan Tannehill.
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Ahh, that's where I misinterpreted the comment, sorry.

Yeah, I think the Colts are locking in Luck. Griffin is an excellent prospect, but if the Colts pass on Luck in one way or another and he turns out to be half as good as he's supposed to they'll be kicking themselves for the next 15 years.

[JO_75]

Just saw this on PFT, the Colts and Manning may both be open to pushing back the Option Bonus that Peyton receives in March. He is due $28 Million on March 8th, which is five days before Free Agency begins. If the Colts and Manning agree to move it, that could very well set up a trade for Peyton, as the Colts would have more time to trade Peyton if this is pushed back.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/colts-and-manning-may-both-be-open-to-pushing-back-option-bonus/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/colts-and-manning-may-both-be-open-to-pushing-back-option-bonus/[/url]

Now of course the only issue is that it has come out that there is language in the CBA that says the Colts can't push it back so I don't know what to believe.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1325976208' post='937501']
Just saw this on PFT, the Colts and Manning may both be open to pushing back the Option Bonus that Peyton receives in March. He is due $28 Million on March 8th, which is five days before Free Agency begins. If the Colts and Manning agree to move it, that could very well set up a trade for Peyton, as the Colts would have more time to trade Peyton if this is pushed back.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/colts-and-manning-may-both-be-open-to-pushing-back-option-bonus/"]http://profootballta...k-option-bonus/[/url]

Now of course the only issue is that it has come out that there is language in the CBA that says the Colts can't push it back so I don't know what to believe.
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Now, if they do manage to push it back and he gets traded, does that team pick up the roster bonus? If so, he's a Jet and Im sticking to it!

[JO_75]

Colts can sign Andrew Luck as soon as Friday.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/colts-permitted-to-sign-luck-as-soon-as-friday/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/colts-permitted-to-sign-luck-as-soon-as-friday/[/url]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311617780' post='712849']
I think Cincy is going to be a strong contender for the title of worst team in football.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1315528690' post='781608']
well im just going to throw this out there.. Colts

Reson, Mannning just had surgery and with the colts investing millions in him i think they let him sit the year (hes cearly not healing well) than risk bringing himm back early and risk his career.

without P the colts wont run up early leads and eat up clock with 10min drives causing the opposition to revert to a pass game. When this happens the colts unleash argueably one of the best pass rush tandems in mathis and freeney and this makes it almost impossible for most teams to come back.. Even the colts D works around manning.

Without him teams can build up a drive, they can run the ball without worrying about the clock and the lead colts have. they can have the longs drive now because the no the colts O isnt as explosive. and well, you can run all day on the colts. The arent strong against the run, there are quick yes, but a power run game can beat them, and look whos in their division.. Foster, the this fellow MJD oh, and of course CJ2K.. if these three times, twice, get thier run game going, eat up clock get points, the colts may not have the firepower to come back.. thats 6 games the could lose right of the board...

Without P, their offense sucks, their Defense gameplan doesnt work... they could be there or there abouts for the no.1 pick at the end of the year.. they wont take Luck if Peyton is healing and will be 100% next year, but damn the could make some moves if the had that pick...

Colts no,1 pick???

Without Manning.. You heard it hear first..
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First off i just want to say Fly i have never been more dissapointed in my life that you got thsi sooooo horribly wrong

Secondly, im not one to blow ones own trumpet butttttt...

I told you so i told you so i told you so


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