(Merged) Peyton Manning Underwent Third Neck Surgery

[Clutch Ravens]

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I'm surprised that the Colts (or their owner, at least) is actually admitting to Manning being out for a "while".

Considering how tight-lipped the Colts usually are, I could see Manning missing extensive time.

[J-man]

I doubt that when Manning is ready physically, that he would need any extra time to get ready. Its Peyton Manning, hes the most experienced quarterback in the league. Once hes cleared, hes going to be out there, no doubt.

[mhead66]

Cervical fusion surgery.

Sad.

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[Ravensstrike4424]

he's out for a while.

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[bpytnjr58]

Not only has the fat lady sung she is going on tour.

[scrock]

Peyton Manning just had surgery, chances are he won't be there when we play them and he could miss the season...3-4 month recovery time

OUCH!! Colts fans must be crying

[T-ray]

This is Indy's worst event in their history... serves em' right for leaving us, I guess..... still my heart goes out to the guy. Never thought I'd say that, but he loves the game, plain and simple. He's not flashy like Brady/Vick either. He just goes in there every week and plays the game.

The Colts will be lucky to win 6 games this year. They have a decent shot at getting Luck...... who would give them another 10 years of greatness lol

[FlaccoFlicker]

Garrard to the Colts? Don't see Collins carrying this team far.Not saying Garrard will but I feel he has better shot

[McBurks]

Dec 11 just got easier.

[T-ray]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' timestamp='1315512801' post='781278']
Garrard to the Colts? Don't see Collins carrying this team far.Not saying Garrard will but I feel he has better shot
[/quote]

I actually like that idea for them, hate it for us. I feel like the Jags never really gave Garrard a good shot at being a decent Qb. Garrard never had a Dallas Clark/Reggie Wayne/Pierre Garcon/Austin Collie to throw it to. He had a very inconsistent, injury prone Sims-Walker, a possession reciever in Mike Thomas who's nothing special at all, and a one year superstar (yes, I'm calling it one year; I think it was a fluke) in Mercedes Lewis. Sure, he had Jones-Drew, but as a Qb, you'd rather have a go-to guy in the recieving department; just ask Rodgers/Rivers/Manning/Brady about that one.

Either way, we win the game against them.

[Clutch Ravens]

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Reporters really should have paid more attention to Bob Irsay's tweets. They dismissed them out of hand saying that he says that sort of non-sense all the time.

Between that and the pain in his back I don't see Manning playing at all this season, assuming he ever plays again. I know that's extreme, but the neck needs to heal itself and it sounds like Manning's isn't healing properly. Pair that with the pain in his back (Not to mention Cooper's back problem - hereditary perhaps?) and I could see him having to hang up the cleats.

[Whitty Hutton]

what happened to Jim Sorgi? He was there seemingly forever, i figured he had the offense down to a science

[Ravensstrike4424]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1315511123' post='781262']
Peyton Manning just had surgery, chances are he won't be there when we play them and he could miss the season...3-4 month recovery time

OUCH!! Colts fans must be crying
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they probley should of drafted a quarterback that can be good,idk if any of their rookies are but just saying

[mhead66]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1315513925' post='781289']
what happened to Jim Sorgi? He was there seemingly forever, i figured he had the offense down to a science
[/quote]
I know, he was there 6 seasons, and he did well as Peyton's #2. He left in '09 and went to the Giants, they IR'ed him and he didn't play last year.

I think he was in the Bengals' TC this year...

[The King]

The Colts haven't invested in a better backup QB, but that has allowed them to make the moves that carried them to a billion straight playoff appearances and Peyton Manning's ungodly numbers. If they IR Manning and he comes back next year healthy and can play for three more good years then one bad one because he was injured then I would say that is a fair tradeoff. On the other hand, this may show that it is time to bring in a successor, and not Curtis Painter, no matter how much faith Reggie Wayne has in the guy.

I'm pretty torn in my emotional response to this. On one hand, I hate Peyton Manning and seeing him get hit has been one of the few pleasures of watching so many Colts' games out here in Indiana. On the other hand, he is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game, and losing him isn't good for the NFL. It lowers the quality of the product and makes watching Colts' games much less exciting. I don't think it will hurt the NFL's viewership, but it is definitely a loss.

Mostly though, I'm furious at Peyton Manning. How dare he be injured so badly that he's gonna miss the Colts-Ravens game this year? How dare he drop off in quality of play before we definitively beat him in his prime. When we beat the Colts now it will be with the qualifier that Peyton Manning in his prime owned Baltimore and that we never got past him.

[darklight1216]

^ I know what you mean and it's pretty sad, but nothing can be done about it now. The Ravens simply never got the better of Peyton, not even once during his prime. Actually, I'm not sure if the Ravens have every beaten Indy with Manning under center. I could look it up, but I really don't care.

[mhead66]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1315518416' post='781372']
The Colts haven't invested in a better backup QB, but that has allowed them to make the moves that carried them to a billion straight playoff appearances and Peyton Manning's ungodly numbers. If they IR Manning and he comes back next year healthy and can play for three more good years then one bad one because he was injured then I would say that is a fair tradeoff. On the other hand, this may show that it is time to bring in a successor, and not Curtis Painter, no matter how much faith Reggie Wayne has in the guy.
[/quote]

It's funny - this is the argument I made early in the preseason, in talking about Tyrod Taylor. He's shown remarkable promise, and has played amazingly well, at times, for a 6th round rookie. But the Super-Bowl contending Baltimore Ravens are risking that potental on an untested QB, if he goes down - and Ray Lewis isn't getting that many more chances.

Indy is paying for it's risk taking now...

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1315518416' post='781372']

I'm pretty torn in my emotional response to this. On one hand, [b]I hate Peyton Manning [/b]and seeing him get hit has been one of the few pleasures of watching so many Colts' games out here in Indiana. On the other hand, he is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game, and losing him isn't good for the NFL. It lowers the quality of the product and makes watching Colts' games much less exciting. I don't think it will hurt the NFL's viewership, but it is definitely a loss.
[/quote]
I, on the other hand, always liked Manning - except when he plays us. He's the consumate professional, has always kept his nose clean, studies film obsessively, and yet - as seen in the SNL skits - doesn't take himself too seriously. He wants it as bad as anyone in the NFL, and has played at such a high level for so long... He's one of the greatest ever.

As opposed to my dislike for Brady... for so many reasons. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1315518416' post='781372']

Mostly though, I'm furious at Peyton Manning. How dare he be injured so badly that he's gonna miss the Colts-Ravens game this year? How dare he drop off in quality of play before we definitively beat him in his prime. When we beat the Colts now it will be with the qualifier that Peyton Manning in his prime owned Baltimore and that we never got past him.
[/quote]
Yeah, it'd be great to beat the Manning-led Colts, but if that one free win propels us to Indy in February, I think we'll get over the asterisk in our schedule. The Steelers play Indy too, in week 3 - which means Peyton absolutely won't be back by then - so it's not like we had an unfair advantage. And, every team deals with injuries - look how much GB overcame last year.

Plus, he'll (in all likelihood) be back next year...

[ravensdfan]

Now, I always like for Indy to lose because well, they're Indy people! lol

Peyton has always been a class act though. On their trips into Baltimore he was once asked about the signs the fans had telling him he was no Unitas. He said of course he wasn't that there would never be another Johnny U.

I hope he heals well. This is not the way Peyton Manning should leave football. I would have liked the chance to play the Manning-led Colts but it is what it is.

[Jay D83]

I don't know why this is so shocking to people. Manning (much like Brady) is/are in the twilight of his (their) career(s) anyway.

[scrock]

This surgery is supposed to help his career, thats what they said on ESPN..by doing this fusing the neck surgery it should make his career longer...

I enjoy watching Peyton work, he is truly the best regular season QB in the history of the league, imo....if he had won a few more SBs he'd be best ever.

...he'll be back at some point and once he's healthy he still has a few good years left....if they can keep him protected and clean

[TheRavenouseD2008]

srock do some research on it , the problem with the surgery is for this recovery is it can take from 4- 24 months depending on his body , baring no flu or anything he may be back the end of the season minimum . honestly I would hang it up he aint getting any younger

[The King]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315519487' post='781396']

It's funny - this is the argument I made early in the preseason, in talking about Tyrod Taylor. He's shown remarkable promise, and has played amazingly well, at times, for a 6th round rookie. But the Super-Bowl contending Baltimore Ravens are risking that potental on an untested QB, if he goes down - and Ray Lewis isn't getting that many more chances.

Indy is paying for it's risk taking now...
[/quote]

I think you may have misread my comment. I'm saying that I think they were in the right to not invest heavily in their backup QB the past ten years or so. The reason being that they have traditionally built strong skill position groups coupled with a good pass-blocking offensive line and a ferocious pass rush on defense. Could they afford to pay two premier pass rushing DEs, or a deep WR group, if they spent heavily on a backup QB? Instead they took the risk that Peyton Manning would be on the field to tie their team together, and it's made them a contender for the Lombardi Trophy every season for the past decade, including two trips to the Big Game, one of which they walked away from with a win.

Now, they're out of contention for a season. Big deal. Even if they go 0-16 this season (which they won't), they'll still be one of the winningest teams of the past twelve years, and Peyton Manning will still go down in history as one of the best QBs to ever play the game, and they'll still have that hardware. Nothing can change those accomplishments.

[mhead66]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1315553240' post='781850']

I think you may have misread my comment. I'm saying that I think they were [b]in the right to not invest heavily[/b] in their backup QB the past ten years or so. The reason being that they have traditionally built strong skill position groups coupled with a good pass-blocking offensive line and a ferocious pass rush on defense. Could they afford to pay two premier pass rushing DEs, or a deep WR group, if they spent heavily on a backup QB? Instead they took the risk that Peyton Manning would be on the field to tie their team together, and it's made them a contender for the Lombardi Trophy every season for the past decade, including two trips to the Big Game, one of which they walked away from with a win.

Now, they're out of contention for a season. Big deal. Even if they go 0-16 this season (which they won't), they'll still be one of the winningest teams of the past twelve years, and Peyton Manning will still go down in history as one of the best QBs to ever play the game, and they'll still have that hardware. Nothing can change those accomplishments.
[/quote]
I never said, "Invest heavily" in a backup QB. Peyton Manning is making $18 million/yr, and it's ridiculous to think a team would pay "starter" money to a backup, who holds the clipboard.

But a serviceable backup is invaluable. Pittsburgh won the division last year at 12-4. We tied them at 12-4. And Charlie Batch, and his $865,000 salary, went 2-0 when Ben was out.

There are lots of adequate backups, players who can come in for a game or two and allow a team to remain competitive while the starter is out. The Packers were the #6 seed last year, barely made the playoffs... yet Rodgers missed 1.5 games with a concussion. His backup, Matt Flynn, makes $600,000, and he saved the season. New England has Brian Hoyer, who makes $480,000 and is pretty decent. Josh Johnson at Tampa makes $600,000 and could keep the Bucs competitive if he came in.

Indy screwed up by not having a decent backup - like Jim Sorgi used to be. Now, they've hired old Kerry Collins, and are paying him $4 million - and he'll probably lose their critical first game to Houston, the team they'll battle for the division, because he's so new to their system. They rolled the dice and lost.

The exception to the rule is if your backup is a starter in waiting - like in Tennessee (Locker backing up Hasselbeck), Minny (Ponder backing up McNabb) and Jacksonville (Gabbert backing up McCown). The starters are keeping the team competitive until the rookie is ready... but none of those teams - IMO - will be in the playoffs.

The teams with 2 starters - like the Skins - are also (probably) going nowhere.

[Ravensstrike4424]

he's a good guy and good quarterback,it would be weird to not see him quarterback of indy

[RavensAllTheWay]

This AFC South has really fallen off the map. It's declining pretty rapidly. Garrard vs. Manning has turned into McCown vs. Collins. The two teams that I think will be competitive in this division are the Texans and Titans. Don't sleep on the Titans. Hasselbeck may be inconcsistent and extremely injury-prone, but at least they have stability and a true identity at QB. If he goes out for an extended amount of time, then they have a big problem. Locker and his scrambler-type status will replace Hasselbeck and his short pass, pocket passer, west coast style.

1st. Texans
2nd. Titans
3rd. Jaguars
4th. Colts

[IMissMattStover]

You guys see? Now Manning could be out for the entire season. I would feel bad for him, but i would be glad if we have to face the Colts in the playoffs again.

[JO_75]

Do you guys think Peyton Manning could ever play again? After seeing how this neck injury has kept him from playing, I have to think he may be forced to retire because of his neck injury and he may not be cleared to play in the NFL ever again. I just think if he keeps playing and he takes one sack, multiple sacks or any kind of hit could do further damage to his neck and could require more surgery.

This kinda reminds me of what happened with former WWE Wrestler Edge who retired due to a neck injury earlier this year and if the WWE doctors won't ever clear him to wrestle again, that makes me think the NFL doctors won't clear Peyton to ever step on the field ever again and we could have seen the last of Peyton Manning on the field.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1316147946' post='792657']
Do you guys think Peyton Manning could ever play again? After seeing how this neck injury has kept him from playing, I have to think he may be forced to retire because of his neck injury and he may not be cleared to play in the NFL ever again. I just think if he keeps playing and he takes one sack, multiple sacks or any kind of hit could do further damage to his neck and could require more surgery.

This kinda reminds me of what happened with former WWE Wrestler Edge who retired due to a neck injury earlier this year and if the WWE doctors won't ever clear him to wrestle again, that makes me think the NFL doctors won't clear Peyton to ever step on the field ever again and we could have seen the last of Peyton Manning on the field.
[/quote]

I think he will play again, being as the Colts seem to think he will come back and play for a couple more years. I think if the possibility that getting hit would cause serious damage was that high then the doctors would have already put their foot down with him and told him that it's impossible.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1316147946' post='792657']
Do you guys think Peyton Manning could ever play again? After seeing how this neck injury has kept him from playing, I have to think he may be forced to retire because of his neck injury and he may not be cleared to play in the NFL ever again. I just think if he keeps playing and he takes one sack, multiple sacks or any kind of hit could do further damage to his neck and could require more surgery.

This kinda reminds me of what happened with former WWE Wrestler Edge who retired due to a neck injury earlier this year and if the WWE doctors won't ever clear him to wrestle again, that makes me think the NFL doctors won't clear Peyton to ever step on the field ever again and we could have seen the last of Peyton Manning on the field.
[/quote]
I suspect that he could play again, I just don't think that he should. This isn't a nagging groin injury; you know, it's more than just career threatening, it's potentially life threatening. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him play next year, but I'd be worried.

[BloodRaven]

I smell a rat. I don't see the point in signing then starting a 38yo who learned about 60% of the playbook over a young guy who has absorbed it over two years. I honestly think they're tanking for Luck, and started Collins to overemphasize the loss of Manning as a justifiable reason for their eventual 1-15 season.