Ravens Ranked 15Th Best On Cbs

[The King]

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15334021/fourway-formula-champ-packers-stacked-at-premium-positions"]Rankings Link[/url]

Pete Prisco, a CBS writer, used a formula where he ranked each team's QB, LT, top pass rusher, and top CB, assigned the rankings a point value, and then totaled those points up in order to rank the teams. The idea driving this being that the NFL is a passing league, so the most important positions are the QB throwing the ball, the LT keeping the QB safe, the pass rusher trying to knock him down, and the CB who breaks up passes.

It could be that there is a flaw in his rankings, but I think it's more of a fundamental flaw in the formula. It doesn't account for impact players like Haloti Ngata and Ed Reed who do great work in the middle, or a player like Ray Rice who runs and catches the ball effectively.

[BloodRaven]

It doesn't account for a lot of things, mainly, common sense.

[3-4 Assault]

It is almost laughable with the stuff some writes come up with to help fill magazines and news papers during the lockout.

[Ravens Beast]

Lol at Josh Freeman being above Flacco...ridiculous

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Flacco should be higher than Freeman... It's getting to the point now where I'm beginning to hope that Freeman absolutely tanks next year just so every "analyst" or "expert" can shove their rankings of him where the sun doesn't shine.

I can't argue about Sizzle's ranking; those above him deserve to be IMO.

I was surprised to see Foxworth rated the 7th worst starting corner in the NFL. But then, when we have Nnamdi and shoot right up to the top...

Oher's ranking I can't complain with. If we were to have Gaither under contract and as the starting LT right now I'd expect him to be higher though.

[hawkprey]

At first I thought this said we had the 15th-worst cornerbacks, and even that pissed me off.

[flynismo]

You know how smart this guy is? The idea behind this is that the NFL is a passing league, yet he doesn't count WR.

[Corvus]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1311177500' post='710046']
I was surprised to see Foxworth rated the 7th worst starting corner in the NFL. But then, when we have Nnamdi and shoot right up to the top... [/quote]
My phone won't open cbssports on its browser so I haven't read the article. But Prisco really used Foxworth as our top corneerback? Hey Pete, Foxworth didn't play a down in 2010, kinda makes it hard for him to be our top corner huh? I guess that means Peppers is still Carolina's top pass rusher, Flozell is still protecting Romo's blindside, and Favre, Warner, and McNabb are all still playing for the Vikes, Cards, and Eagles respectively right? Please lockout, hurry up and end so we can stop seeing these stupid articles pumped out onto the web...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1311174247' post='710018']
Lol at Josh Freeman being above Flacco...ridiculous
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I dont get it either...Freeman has one good season and all of a sudden he is a top 10 QB. These analysts are ridiculous, Freeman struggled against good competetion but put up huge numbers against the NFC West. I'm sure when Flacco tears apart the NFC West this season he will get 0 credit because we played a "soft schedule".

[berad]

Broncos, Cowboys, and Bengals at 6, 7, and 11 - WOW. Someone spent too much time in the sun.

EDIT: Why would you waste your time crafting a terrible metric like this? It leaves out SO many things.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1311180052' post='710083']
I dont get it either...Freeman has one good season and all of a sudden he is a top 10 QB. These analysts are ridiculous, Freeman struggled against good competetion but put up huge numbers against the NFC West. I'm sure when Flacco tears apart the NFC West this season he will get 0 credit because we played a "soft schedule".
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Freeman's good, but that schedule was cake.

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1311180052' post='710083']
I dont get it either...Freeman has one good season and all of a sudden he is a top 10 QB. These analysts are ridiculous, Freeman struggled against good competetion but put up huge numbers against the NFC West. I'm sure when Flacco tears apart the NFC West this season he will get 0 credit because we played a "soft schedule".
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Exactly. You'd think that the experts would be rooting for Flacco because of the small school he came from and how much of a story that would create if he was successful. I definitely don't see Freeman in the top 10 or ahead of Flacco and the same goes for Ryan.


2010 Regular Season

Accuracy: (Comp/Total)

Ryan-357/571 62.52%
[b]Flacco[/b]-306/489 62.57%
Freeman-291/474 61.39%

Yards Thrown:

[b]Ryan[/b]- 3705
Flacco- 3622
Freeman- 3451

TD and Int's:

[b]Ryan[/b]- 28 TDs 9 INT's
Flacco- 25 TDs 10 INT's
Freeman- 25 TDs 6 INT's

Ryan attempted 82 more passes than Flacco and only had 3 more TDs as well as only 83 more yds...I'll take Flacco.

Freeman plays in the weakest division in the NFL. Flacco would put up ridiculous numbers if he was in that division. No defense in our division is a cakewalk unlike TB's divisional opponents.

And the Ravens WR core got better as I'm sure Flacco has. He will do better than either this year. Though Ryan may put up some big numbers with Julio Jones now there with Roddy White.

[flynismo]

Yeah lets not do Ryan vs Flacco again. We all already know Flacco is AT LEAST as good as Ryan.

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311181821' post='710100']
Yeah lets not do Ryan vs Flacco again. We all already know Flacco is AT LEAST as good as Ryan.
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Thank you for telling me what and what not to post sir.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1311179194' post='710072']
You know how smart this guy is? The idea behind this is that the NFL is a passing league, yet he doesn't count WR.
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I completely didn't notice that. What an idiot.

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1311179690' post='710077']
My phone won't open cbssports on its browser so I haven't read the article. But Prisco really used Foxworth as our top corneerback? Hey Pete, Foxworth didn't play a down in 2010, kinda makes it hard for him to be our top corner huh? I guess that means Peppers is still Carolina's top pass rusher, Flozell is still protecting Romo's blindside, and Favre, Warner, and McNabb are all still playing for the Vikes, Cards, and Eagles respectively right? Please lockout, hurry up and end so we can stop seeing these stupid articles pumped out onto the web...
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Either way it's still low IMO. And I definitely agree with your last comment, a lack of real news has caused over-discussion of things. Rankings in particular have done my head in.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1311181369' post='710093']
Exactly. You'd think that the experts would be rooting for Flacco because of the small school he came from and how much of a story that would create if he was successful. I definitely don't see Freeman in the top 10 or ahead of Flacco and the same goes for Ryan.


2010 Regular Season

Accuracy: (Comp/Total)

Ryan-357/571 62.52%
[b]Flacco[/b]-306/489 62.57%
Freeman-291/474 61.39%

Yards Thrown:

[b]Ryan[/b]- 3705
Flacco- 3622
Freeman- 3451

TD and Int's:

[b]Ryan[/b]- 28 TDs 9 INT's
Flacco- 25 TDs 10 INT's
Freeman- 25 TDs 6 INT's

Ryan attempted 82 more passes than Flacco and only had 3 more TDs as well as only 83 more yds...I'll take Flacco.

[b]Freeman plays in the weakest division in the NFL. Flacco would put up ridiculous numbers if he was in that division. No defense in our division is a cakewalk unlike TB's divisional opponents[/b].

And the Ravens WR core got better as I'm sure Flacco has. He will do better than either this year. Though Ryan may put up some big numbers with Julio Jones now there with Roddy White.
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I agree with most of what you are saying. If you look at the YPA of Flacco vs Ryan, Flacco comes out on top, by a lot. They play in different styles of offenses so you cant totally blame Ryan, but Flacco has more physical tools.

However, I have to disagree that the NFC South is a weak division. You have 2 Playoff caliber teams in NO and ATL and TB is at least a decent young team. I would say both the NFC West and AFC West are weaker divisions than the NFC South.

[Gordo52]

Just stupid.

[justifythegame]

You guys need to stop being bitter ravens fans for a sec and be a football fan. I watched a lot of Buccaneers games last season and Freeman was amazing. His schedule was very easy, but this was also his first full yr as a starter. Im not typically a stats guy... i think the QB position is so much more about commanding leadership and making the crucial plays when it counts, thats why some of my fav QBs were guys like mcnair and even big ben (i know ). I saw Freeman's presence in the huddle and bringing him team together to make those incredible comeback wins. Set aside his schedule and his stats, he had all the intangibles for the makings of a future superstar, and at the end of the day that young inexperienced team was still losing to most of those teams and Freeman was the who made the plays at the end. And before last year the Buccanneers were considered the worst team on the schedule of every other team too. I like Flacco, i think he is still an overacheiving project out of Delaware that hasn't come anywhere near his peak, but when I see things like an open Anquan Boldin that gets ignored for a dump off to Rice as opposed to Freeman hitting Mike Williams even when he is doubled i gotta go with Freeman. Im not trying to take anything away from Flacco but i'm not going to sit here and try to discredit Freeman either just because im a Ravens fan.

[mawcb]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1311186788' post='710161']
You guys need to stop being bitter ravens fans for a sec and be a football fan. I watched a lot of Buccaneers games last season and Freeman was amazing. His schedule was very easy, but this was also his first full yr as a starter. Im not typically a stats guy... i think the QB position is so much more about commanding leadership and making the crucial plays when it counts, thats why some of my fav QBs were guys like mcnair and even big ben (i know ). I saw Freeman's presence in the huddle and bringing him team together to make those incredible comeback wins. Set aside his schedule and his stats, he had all the intangibles for the makings of a future superstar, and at the end of the day that young inexperienced team was still losing to most of those teams and Freeman was the who made the plays at the end. And before last year the Buccanneers were considered the worst team on the schedule of every other team too. I like Flacco, i think he is still an overacheiving project out of Delaware that hasn't come anywhere near his peak, but when I see things like an open Anquan Boldin that gets ignored for a dump off to Rice as opposed to Freeman hitting Mike Williams even when he is doubled i gotta go with Freeman. Im not trying to take anything away from Flacco but i'm not going to sit here and try to discredit Freeman either just because im a Ravens fan.
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NEGATIVE

more of this his presense, he looks cuter in the huddle than flacco, stop noone cares what you people see in matt ryan and morgan freeman that looks like there better players than flacco, thats all it is, they LOOK better, and mr dumpoff to rice went deep and had success doing it last year with old slow guys, one of the top in league going deep, sounds like he dumps off to ray alot, but no josh freeman and matty ice just look better, geez ask them on dates.

lets not forget the comeback drives flacco had last year that was destroyed by our defense.

When it comes down to facts, you all have nothing because Flaccos stats are just as good if not better, playing better competition, coming from Delaware lmao, all yall have is, they LOOK cuter. wow.

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1311183346' post='710125']
I agree with most of what you are saying. If you look at the YPA of Flacco vs Ryan, Flacco comes out on top, by a lot. They play in different styles of offenses so you cant totally blame Ryan, but Flacco has more physical tools.

However, I have to disagree that the NFC South is a weak division. You have 2 Playoff caliber teams in NO and ATL and TB is at least a decent young team. I would say both the NFC West and AFC West are weaker divisions than the NFC South.
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I was meaning defensively weak. Not overall team weak.

[cant knock the hustle]

Haha I can't believe this guy. Funny thing is based on his formula I actually think he underrates the Cincinnati Bengals because Dunlap should be ranked higher as a pass rusher. Which would make them a top 10 team. And how is he accounting for these players that haven't ever taken a snap as a professional? Why so much love for Christian Ponder?

This formula goes makes so many assumptions it's not even worth getting annoyed by.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1311181963' post='710103']<br />Thank you for telling me what and what not to post sir.<br />[/quote]


you're welcome.

[flynismo]

[quote name='mawcb' timestamp='1311187234' post='710165']<br />NEGATIVE<br /><br />more of this his presense, he looks cuter in the huddle than flacco, stop noone cares what you people see in matt ryan and morgan freeman that looks like there better players than flacco, thats all it is, they LOOK better, and mr dumpoff to rice went deep and had success doing it last year with old slow guys, one of the top in league going deep, sounds like he dumps off to ray alot, but no josh freeman and matty ice just look better, geez ask them on dates.<br /><br />lets not forget the comeback drives flacco had last year that was destroyed by our defense.<br /><br />When it comes down to facts, you all have nothing because Flaccos stats are just as good if not better, playing better competition, coming from Delaware lmao, all yall have is, they LOOK cuter. wow.<br />[/quote]



haha, I think you figured it out. All the Flacco haters must be of a certain orientation, and jealous that Flacco is now a married man.

Sounds about right to me!

[H8R]

Glad to hear it, top 15... that's means I don't have to save money for Super Bowl tickets.... Thanks Pete. love ya!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1311186788' post='710161']
You guys need to stop being bitter ravens fans for a sec and be a football fan. [b]I watched a lot of Buccaneers games last season and Freeman was amazing. His schedule was very easy, but this was also his first full yr as a starter.[/b] Im not typically a stats guy... i think the [b]QB position is so much more about commanding leadership and making the crucial plays when it counts,[/b] thats why some of my fav QBs were guys like mcnair and even big ben (i know ). I saw Freeman's presence in the huddle and bringing him team together to make those incredible comeback wins. [b]Set aside his schedule and his stats,[/b] he had all the intangibles for the makings of a future superstar, and at the end of the day that young inexperienced team was still losing to most of those teams and Freeman was the who made the plays at the end. And before last year the Buccanneers were considered the worst team on the schedule of every other team too. [b]I like Flacco, i think he is still an overacheiving project out of Delaware that hasn't come anywhere near his peak[/b], but [b]when I see things like an open Anquan Boldin that gets ignored for a dump off to Rice as opposed to Freeman hitting Mike Williams even when he is doubled i gotta go with Freeman.[/b] Im not trying to take anything away from Flacco but i'm not going to sit here and try to discredit Freeman either just because im a Ravens fan.
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Ok this part isn't all you. I have noticed in here that people say, "Oh well number's don't really matter." Oh really they don't so when people measure things at the combine with number's it is irrelevant. We were looking for a speed receiver but his 40-time is irrelevant.... yeah ok whatever. Then ya got those that say hey I watch the tape.... yeah I'll bet you do, so why are there draft bust's and then gem's because that tape just said Marques colston or Wayne crebecht were going to suck and yet they did not, how did this happen.....the tape lied to you. Vick at V tech, Dorsey at the U, Leak, Russel at LSU, all looked pretty good on tape and they busted in the NFL, how did that happen... the tape lied to you. SMH!!!! Now back to the number's, let's think about this if they are really irrelevant than why do we keep track of them. If it was just about win's than why is it Brady can't touch marino's numbers yet, but Marino has no rings. If it isn't about number's than why is it nnamdi can demand top dollar. That is one of the weakest argument's I have ever heard, it may not matter to all of the super football whiz's out there because they know so much the closest you get to managing a team is fantasy, because if you think for a second that the people who actually do it for real don't pay attention to number's with ferocity than you are beyond helping anyway. Bring it on with the back tracking about "well I always put a disclaimer out there saying that they don't mean EVERYTHING." then go on for a paragraph about how number's are futile as a yard stick for how good player's are. Whatever dream on.

I guess that when you play crap player's and have any amount of talent you can look amazing. I mean I know I could go play little league as a MLB and dominate the first year I start. That show's nothing now when he does what Aaron Rodger's did to the steeler's D then I will listen to how amazing he really is. Or even if he did it to Cincy's D I might want to listen to that.

Don't even get me started on Qb's who were the offensive leader's of that team and were unimpressive to say the least.

if I took away the Cincy game and the 2 versus the Steeler's I could make him out to be better than brady and Manning. You can't take away key components of the game and then make accurate opinion's.

What School your from matter's now ?? Interesting. Overachieving project, so the fact he has taken this team to the playoff's and won 3 year's is....... just overachieving....if you say so. And if he has not come anywhere near his peak then we have the next all time great on our team.

if I watch game tape I could find Manning and Brady doing that same thing so that is irrelevant, not seeing open receiver's happen's to everyone. And yes I want my QB throwing into double coverage......no not really.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1311170994' post='709996']
[url="http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15334021/fourway-formula-champ-packers-stacked-at-premium-positions"]Rankings Link[/url]

Pete Prisco, a CBS writer, used a formula where he ranked each team's QB, LT, top pass rusher, and top CB, assigned the rankings a point value, and then totaled those points up in order to rank the teams. The idea driving this being that the NFL is a passing league, so the most important positions are the QB throwing the ball, the LT keeping the QB safe, the pass rusher trying to knock him down, and the CB who breaks up passes.

It could be that there is a flaw in his rankings, but I think it's more of a fundamental flaw in the formula. It doesn't account for impact players like Haloti Ngata and Ed Reed who do great work in the middle, or a player like Ray Rice who runs and catches the ball effectively.
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Apparently Prisco thinks that in the interest of safety the new CBA will make football a 4 vs 4 sport.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1311170994' post='709996']
[url="http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15334021/fourway-formula-champ-packers-stacked-at-premium-positions"]Rankings Link[/url]

Pete Prisco, a CBS writer, used a formula where he ranked each team's QB, LT, top pass rusher, and top CB, assigned the rankings a point value, and then totaled those points up in order to rank the teams. The idea driving this being that the NFL is a passing league, so the most important positions are the QB throwing the ball, the LT keeping the QB safe, the pass rusher trying to knock him down, and the CB who breaks up passes.

It could be that there is a flaw in his rankings, but I think it's more of a fundamental flaw in the formula. It doesn't account for impact players like Haloti Ngata and Ed Reed who do great work in the middle, or a player like Ray Rice who runs and catches the ball effectively.
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Yea i may be a little bias but i think thats a bit high, im thinking atleast top 10.