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The 2011 Running Back Situation

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So with the cap numbers coming out and the inevitability of losing McClain to free agency, and the release of McGahee, the running back situation is far from solidified. Rice is a dynamic play maker but he is not a bruiser, he doesn't push piles, and he can disappear in games for long stretches. Its obvious the Ravens need to sign a blocking FB to open up holes, but I also think the Ravens need to sign an above average RB to tandem with Rice. They have had a pseudo 3 headed monster but need to pair Rice with a power/speed guy. The combination of two legit RBs with a power blocking FB is what the Ravens need to improve their run game.

So lets look at some potential options and the impact to the cap. We will assume that McGahee is released and McClain signs elsewhere, freeing up some cap space.

RB Ray Rice
RB Ronnie Brown
FB Lawrence Vickers

I think this is a fairly likely scenario and like the makeup of the RB corps with this combo. Vickers is purely a blocker, Brown is fast, has decent hands, but also has the size and strength to break tackles and get into the end zone. Basically he is a younger McGahee who should come much cheaper.

What are some realistic contract numbers and cap hits that could be expected from this lineup?
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Assuming we lose mcclain:

Ray Rice as starter

Curtis Steele as Back-up- I think this guy will be good and he'll do little damage to the cap

Vickers at FB
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[quote name='ravensfan2424' timestamp='1311013101' post='709058']
Assuming we lose mcclain:

Ray Rice as starter

Curtis Steele as Back-up- I think this guy will be good and he'll do little damage to the cap

Vickers at FB
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While it wouldn't be Steele, I thought about Parmele becoming the full time #2 back. He is big, fast, and knows the system. However I think that in a Super Bowl year the Ravens need to make sure that their backs are NFL proven. Tho its obvious the way to the Super Bowl is now through the passing game. I don't think Steve Smith makes this team better, but I do think effectively utilizing our young speed guys will. Cameron has got to get a clue when it comes to play calling.
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[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1311012400' post='709052']
So with the cap numbers coming out and the inevitability of losing McClain to free agency, and the release of McGahee, the running back situation is far from solidified. [b]Rice is a dynamic play maker but he is not a bruiser, he doesn't push piles, and he can disappear in games for long stretches.[/b] Its obvious the Ravens need to sign a blocking FB to open up holes, but I also think the Ravens need to sign an above average RB to tandem with Rice. They have had a pseudo 3 headed monster but need to pair Rice with a power/speed guy. The combination of two legit RBs with a power blocking FB is what the Ravens need to improve their run game.

So lets look at some potential options and the impact to the cap. We will assume that McGahee is released and McClain signs elsewhere, freeing up some cap space.

RB Ray Rice
RB Ronnie Brown
FB Lawrence Vickers

I think this is a fairly likely scenario and like the makeup of the RB corps with this combo. Vickers is purely a blocker, Brown is fast, has decent hands, but also has the size and strength to break tackles and get into the end zone. Basically he is a younger McGahee who should come much cheaper.

What are some realistic contract numbers and cap hits that could be expected from this lineup?
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He disappears at times because of Cameron's play calling. This has nothing to do with Rice, nothing at all.
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[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1311012400' post='709052']
So lets look at some potential options and the impact to the cap. We will assume that McGahee is released and McClain signs elsewhere, freeing up some cap space.

RB Ray Rice
[b]RB Ronnie Brown[/b]
FB Lawrence Vickers

I think this is a fairly likely scenario and like the makeup of the RB corps with this combo. Vickers is purely a blocker, Brown is fast, has decent hands, but also has the size and strength to break tackles and get into the end zone. Basically he is a younger McGahee who should come much cheaper.

What are some realistic contract numbers and cap hits that could be expected from this lineup?
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Ronnie Brown....really? I think he's a good player, but even when he's been splitting carries with Ricky Williams he still manages to get hurt. The dude is injury prone and not worth the money he would probably be asking for.

I'm hoping that we can re-sign McClain and have him split carries with Rice because I feel like it would be a better change of pace. Then hopefully we can go out and get a better blocking FB whether it's Vickers or whoever else.
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Rice is the future at RB, but I'm not a huge fan of either McClain or MeGahee. I want a bruising FB like Neil was back in '08. Someone who is just a wrecking ball at the FB position.
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I definitely don't see us putting a lot of money in the position in free agency, especially since Rice will be a UFA after this season with the new CBA allowing unrestriction after 4 years of service. Resigning him will be a priority. There's no doubt in my mind we push hard for Vickers or Leach when free agency starts, but the only RB I could see us spending somewhat big money on is if we bring Le'Ron back as our compliment to Ray. Otherwise I think a combination of Parmele, Steele, and Allen will be what we see this season behind Ray.

I will throw this name out there as a guy who MAY make sense for us: Brian Westbrook. Harbs is familiar with him and after his stint in SF last year, I think he realizes his time as a starter is over, he could be good for us if the price is right.
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1311016353' post='709083']
I will throw this name out there as a guy who MAY make sense for us: Brian Westbrook. Harbs is familiar with him and after his stint in SF last year, I think he realizes his time as a starter is over, he could be good for us if the price is right.
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No thanks.
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[quote name='columbia raven' timestamp='1311016469' post='709085']
No thanks.
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Thanks for the big contribution to the conversation there friend. I never said I wanted him either, just pointing out that it wouldn't surprise me...
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1311017714' post='709097']
Thanks for the big contribution to the conversation there friend. I never said I wanted him either, just pointing out that it wouldn't surprise me...
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I don't think there is a reason to explain why we don't need a injury prone RB who probably should of hung up the pads after the Eagles let him go.

Not to mention that we need a 3rd down, short yardage FB, not another RB.
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[quote name='columbia raven' timestamp='1311018009' post='709100']
I don't think there is a reason to explain why we don't need a injury prone RB who probably should of hung up the pads after the Eagles let him go.

Not to mention that we need a 3rd down, short yardage FB, not another RB.
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I completely agree with your last statement, as I said in my original post I know we'll shoot hard for Vickers or Leach and I honestly think we'd be fine with Allen, Parmele, and Steele behind Rice, whatever combination of that winds up on the final roster. Running backs seemingly come out of nowhere on the NFL radar a lot (Chris Ivory in NO last year anyone?) and none of those other 3 guys of ours have really had a chance to show anything for various reasons, so I don't see why at least one of them won't step up given the chance.
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I highly doubt we sign a Free Agent RB. Rice is good for 250-300 carries and the rest can be given to some combination of Anthony Allen, Curtis Steele, or Jalen Parmele. There will be a camp battle to find that #2 back.

Thats assuming McClain walks. If he is willing to sign for a team friendly contract, I think Le'Ron can fill the role of FB and still take about 100 carries.
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At this point I honestly think we should let McClain walk. He doesn't want to be a FB, and we don't need a RB.

Sign Leach or Vickers and try and get McGahee to restructure. If he doesn't, we have 3 other RBs on the roster for a camp battle.
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Ray Rice
Parmele
Allen

With Leach blocking, I think I could live with that.
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I actually think we have very good potential in our RBs. I dont think we need to go out and get a FB... we can turn Allen to a FB if nesessary. What I would love to see is The ravens gettin John Clay out of Wisconsin. He is a huge 250 pound 6-1 thumper. I know some of ya are gonna mention his 40 time (4.8) Now I dont expect him to make spectacular plays, but he will move the pile (TRUST ME) plus he could potentially become a Fullback.
what do you guys think??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeNRr2VdQa8&feature=related
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[quote name='RavenRain' timestamp='1311446424' post='711892']
I actually think we have very good potential in our RBs. I dont think we need to go out and get a FB... we can turn Allen to a FB if nesessary. What I would love to see is The ravens gettin John Clay out of Wisconsin. He is a huge 250 pound 6-1 thumper. I know some of ya are gonna mention his 40 time (4.8) Now I dont expect him to make spectacular plays, but he will move the pile (TRUST ME) plus he could potentially become a Fullback.
what do you guys think??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeNRr2VdQa8&feature=related
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Yea a couple months back I mentioned Clay as a Undrafted guy the Ravens should target. Clay would definitely prove that smash mouth style that the Ravens like, he could also be used as a lead back on occasions to add some athleticism to the position when needed. We'd still have to bring in a FB.

I don't like the idea of Allen as a FB, he played close to the line in College, but make no mistake, that guy is a RB and could be a dangerous one.

IMO the reason why LeRon McClain isn't a great as he could be at the FB position is because he spends too much time trying to audition as a RB. If he buckled down and forced on being a smash mouth FB, he'd probably be considered the best in the NFL, despite already being viewed highly.

I think the Ravens are looking for more of a true FB. I wouldn't discount McKie, but I think the Ravens would like to add competition to the position, if McClain isn't resigned.
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I say bring McClain back and if he wants more of a Hillis/Alstott role, so be it. He just wants more carries, sure he not trying to break the bank to come back to a SB Caliber organization that drafted him where he has established good friendships with his teammates as well as established a place to live.
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I don't see McClain as out the door just yet, but the more he talks the more trouble I have seeing him come back, Even if we decide to make him our numbers two back in addition to a greater rushing load, the money just might not be there for him to stick around, even if McGahee gets cut. It might just be more money then it would be wise to invest when there are good blocking FBs on the market.
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actualy the more he talks about Wanting to be a Raven and come back the more I think Mcgahee is losing his luster and might be out the door rice and mcclain are safe at the moment , I think willis must go , reason is I think mcclain can single back on the GL and is more of a locamotive at that distance then rice or willis , plus with Allen coming in I have this gut instinct he could be willis' complete replacement
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1311017714' post='709097']
Thanks for the big contribution to the conversation there friend. I never said I wanted him either, just pointing out that it wouldn't surprise me...
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Westbrook is old and I dont think his body could stand the wars in the AFCN
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So lets assume the worse in this situation. LeRon chases the money and more carries, the Ravens don't land Vonta Leach or Lawrence Vickers, who seem to be the most popular 2 FBs on the market.

Here are a few guys we could bring in that would fit our offense really well imo.

Ahmard Hall: He more of that physical move people out of the way blocker that the Ravens like. He's a real [color="#4B0082"][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7V06gvqQpM"]smash-mouth[/url][/color] football kind of guy. Many people will remember him for the [color="#4B0082"][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-I4h0s2jnU&feature=player_embedded"]shot he took from Ray Lewis[/url][/color] in the playoff game. He's a guy that would be a really good lead blocker for our power running game, but could also catch a screen pass or 2. I think he's a guy that would be more then happy with the role LeRon McClain had last season.

Naufahu Tahi: He's another one of those physical guys at the point of attack. He also does a really good job on Special Teams for the Vikings, so we know Harbs would like that. He's a guy that won't offer you much stat wise on offense, but he does his job well. He's one of those guys that go unnoticed and just does his job. He'd probably be used a lot more with the Ravens then he was with the Vikings. [color="#4B0082"][url="http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0SO8ZzCHixORjoAoLz7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBncGdyMzQ0BHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEdnRpZAM-?p=Naufahu+Tahi&ei=utf-8&fr2=tab-web&n=21&tnr=20&y=Search"]Here's a video of Tahi mic'd up vs the Ravens.[/url][/color]

Marcel Reece: He's a guy that's not really as physical at the point of attack as the other two, but he's efficient. He's a former WR at 6'3 240LBS. Imo he's more of a backup RB then a FB and would excel in the role McClain has held for us, but would be much cheaper and probably much better. [color="#4B0082"][url="http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?n=21&ei=utf-8&fr2=tab-web&tnr=20&p=Marcel+Reece&vid=1027230007381&dt=1292745600&l=50&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1027230007381%26id%3D4f432b18cd6b7564f20ebd9598fb9a47%26bid%3DUURfXZiKL11%252bxQ%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.nfl.com%252fvideos%252fnfl-game-highlights%252f09000d5d81d09f63%252fReece-73-yard-TD%253fr_src%253dramp&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F09000d5d81d09f63%2FReece-73-yard-TD%3Fr_src%3Dramp&******=Reece+73-yard+TD&sigr=12qk33uoj&newfp=1"]He can catch out of the backfield[/url][/color]. He can be split out in the slot to [color="#4B0082"][url="http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?n=21&ei=utf-8&fr2=tab-web&tnr=20&p=Marcel+Reece&vid=959413026951&dt=1288508400&l=34&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D959413026951%26id%3D5f356a84db5c219a6148dcfadcee6eca%26bid%3D8kpBDJYAMZclQw%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.nfl.com%252fvideos%252fnfl-game-highlights%252f09000d5d81bc1d2d%252fReece-30-yard-TD&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F09000d5d81bc1d2d%2FReece-30-yard-TD&******=Reece+30-yard+TD&sigr=12femc0sv&newfp=1"]take advantage of smaller defenders[/url][/color]. He could also be an effective runner for us from the [color="#4B0082"][url="http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?n=21&ei=utf-8&fr2=tab-web&tnr=20&p=Marcel+Reece&vid=1037730317570&dt=30151370&l=31&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1037730317570%26id%3D1731496eb5a6362631f265fe04e69075%26bid%3DLt%252fyZJZd%252bbByjw%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.nfl.com%252fvideos%252foakland-raiders%252f09000d5d81bc6f09%252fRB-Reece-31-yd-run&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fvideos%2Foakland-raiders%2F09000d5d81bc6f09%2FRB-Reece-31-yd-run&******=RB+Reece%2C+31-yd%2C+run&sigr=12d5fq654&newfp=1"]FB position[/url][/color] and also be a nice option on short yardage and [color="#4B0082"][url="http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?n=21&ei=utf-8&fr2=tab-web&tnr=20&p=Marcel+Reece&vid=1079673291032&dt=1287903600&l=27&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1079673291032%26id%3D1583f3ec8e32135937b28124f40ba956%26bid%3D38tiiaYRGov0mg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.nfl.com%252fvideos%252fnfl-game-highlights%252f09000d5d81b964ca%252fReece-goal-line-TD&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F09000d5d81b964ca%2FReece-goal-line-TD&******=Reece+goal+line+TD&sigr=12hlmq96c&newfp=1"]goaline[/url][/color]. Now if you notice, I've showcased all the play making aspects of Reece and not really the FB side of things. Like I said he's a effective FB, but not really a mauler in the running game, so if the Ravens did sign him, they'd probably look to add another FB or keep McKie around. Also I believe that Reece is a RFA, and the Raiders would love to kept him, so don't know how likely him coming to Baltimore is.

I think any one of these 3 guys would be a nice fit for the Ravens, if we can't get one of our top 3 options.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1311516302' post='712188']
So lets assume the worse in this situation. LeRon chases the money and more carries, the Ravens don't land Vonta Leach or Lawrence Vickers, who seem to be the most popular 2 FBs on the market.

Here are a few guys we could bring in that would fit our offense really well imo.

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Hall would probably the best option. From what I've read, he didn't have a good season last year. Still, a change of scenery could be what he needs.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1311537415' post='712292']
Hall would probably the best option. From what I've read, he didn't have a good season last year. Still, a change of scenery could be what he needs.
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Who did have a good year with the mess going on in Tennessee, actually the Titans weren't that bad. But I do think he'd be much better in a better situation, with a more stable team. I would actually prefer Hall as well.
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[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1311012400' post='709052']
So with the cap numbers coming out and the inevitability of losing McClain to free agency, and the release of McGahee, the running back situation is far from solidified. [b]Rice is a dynamic play maker but he is not a bruiser, he doesn't push piles, and he can disappear in games for long stretches.[/b] Its obvious the Ravens need to sign a blocking FB to open up holes, but I also think the Ravens need to sign an above average RB to tandem with Rice. They have had a pseudo 3 headed monster but need to pair Rice with a power/speed guy. The combination of two legit RBs with a power blocking FB is what the Ravens need to improve their run game.

So lets look at some potential options and the impact to the cap. We will assume that McGahee is released and McClain signs elsewhere, freeing up some cap space.

RB Ray Rice
RB Ronnie Brown
FB Lawrence Vickers

I think this is a fairly likely scenario and like the makeup of the RB corps with this combo. Vickers is purely a blocker, Brown is fast, has decent hands, but also has the size and strength to break tackles and get into the end zone. Basically he is a younger McGahee who should come much cheaper.

What are some realistic contract numbers and cap hits that could be expected from this lineup?
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Really? Ray Rice did more with less last year than most would, he made positive gains out of nothing sometimes when the O-line fell apart. Fix that O-line and Rice is the man, he's always touching the ball so to say he disappears is to say our offense disappears. I think our rookie RB is a bigger guy so he could be the answer, the only thing i worry about is lack of reps in short training camp. We already have a FB on roster in Mcgie (sp?) I'm sure we will have a FB duh...Rice, Anthony Allen or whoever, we'll be fine at RB.
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I honestly think that the RBs will be Rice, Allen, et. al. I watched a lot of film on Allen and he really impresses me. Now, we need a FB to block but it probably won't be McClain.
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What about Mike McLaughlin? He was a UDFA LB that we signed and converted to FB. he was in the top 5 at his position of all events at the combine. He's got the athleticism, but I wonder if he's gonna do better this year with another year at fullback? I'm pretty sure we practice squadded him. Maybe, McClain walks, McKie starts, and McLaughlin sits as a backup to develop? Thats alot of "Mc's" haha.

As far as tailback, McGahee needs to go, as I've said. Rice, Allen, and Steele will be a solid RB core. Parmele is solid, but I think he's replaceable. Although, he's a great special teamer and provides quality depth as a return man. Maybe we'll carry 6 RBs this year? Who knows, but we'll know soon!
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