December 21, 2012

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310174148' post='705134']
Speaking of time travel, I've also seen a show about that. [u][b]It stated that, at least on earth, you would only be able to go back as far as when the machine was made. [/b][/u]Time just amazes me. An intelligent life form 2011 light years away, if they had a super strong telescope, would be looking at Jesus right now.
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That would be the case anywhere if time, as we understand it, followed the rules we believe it does. (It probably doesnt)

That last sentence is insane, lol.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310174148' post='705134']
Speaking of time travel, I've also seen a show about that. It stated that, at least on earth, you would only be able to go back as far as when the machine was made. Time just amazes me. An intelligent life form 2011 light years away, if they had a super strong telescope, would be looking at Jesus right now. It's just mesmerizing to me.
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It's also amazing to see UFO's in the sky and then look at the government and ask, "why can't we do that"? It really makes you think if there are any intelligent beings out there, a million years more sophisticated than we are. it's mesmerizing and sad at the same time. But it's cool to see the doubters stumped, trying to explain how certain UFO's can move the way they do, as fast as they can. In my opinion, those aren't made by us, actually by anyone on this earth. We just aren't that advanced yet. If we could truly make technology like what we see in the sky, there's no reason why can't find a cure for cancer, or why it took us several years to find Osama. Crop circles are just as baffling.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1310174205' post='705135']
Michael Crichton wrote a book about time travel, really good. This guy does his research, too. I'm sure if you really want to dive into the physics of it you'd want another book though, lol.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg[/img]
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I'm not sure how I feel about time travel lol. I don't want somebody going back in time, telling Hitler we were going to Normandy. I wonder though, how would that affect us now, if someone went back in time now to change that. Would it? Ahhhh!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1310174205' post='705135']
Michael Crichton wrote a book about time travel, really good. This guy does his research, too. I'm sure if you really want to dive into the physics of it you'd want another book though, lol.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg[/img]
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Thank you for this. I'll have to check it out

[Romo Ravens]

Has anyone ever seen this?

[img]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/06/at_least_the_us_lacks_the_uks/crop_circle.jpeg[/img]

Do you really think that man made this overnight?

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310174494' post='705140']
It's also amazing to see UFO's in the sky and then look at the government and ask, "why can't we do that"? It really makes you think if there are any intelligent beings out there, a million years more sophisticated than we are. it's mesmerizing and sad at the same time. But it's cool to see the doubters stumped, trying to explain how certain UFO's can move the way they do, as fast as they can. In my opinion, those aren't made by us, actually by anyone on this earth. We just aren't that advanced yet. If we could truly make technology like what we see in the sky, there's no reason why can't find a cure for cancer, or why it took us several years to find Osama. Crop circles are just as baffling.
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I have a whole theory on Osama, but it violates the whole "politics" rule on here by 3957282 times. Have you ever heard what Buzz Aldrin said about his Apollo flight? He said he and the others (or maybe just him, I forget) reported seeing something shadowing them on the way to the moon. He spoke publicly about it, but when confronted about it (presumably by the men in suits) he revoked his words.

[Romo Ravens]

Wow, just read this about a crop cirlce found in Britian last year. It was considered to be the most complex crop circle ever found --

[b]"But it has been proven the patterns can be easily created artists.

Last year a crop circle described as the most complex ever to seen in Britain was discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.

The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, was a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."[/b]

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5427512/600ft-jellyfish-crop-circle-found-in-Oxfordshire-field.html"]Link[/url]

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If you go to the website that I posted in the first post, about the pyramids being built by aliens, read..

[b]"If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth."[/b]

I don't know man, I'm just sayin'. Lol

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310175056' post='705150']
Wow, just read this --

[b]"But it has been proven the patterns can be easily created artists.

Last year a crop circle described as the most complex ever to seen in Britain was discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.

The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, was a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."[/b]

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5427512/600ft-jellyfish-crop-circle-found-in-Oxfordshire-field.html"]Link[/url]

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If you go to the website that I posted in the first post, about the pyramids being built by aliens, read..

[b]"If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth."[/b]

I don't know man, I'm just sayin'. Lol
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that whole thing is above my head lol, it lost me.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310174857' post='705146']
I have a whole theory on Osama, but it violates the whole "politics" rule on here by 3957282 times. Have you ever heard what Buzz Aldrin said about his Apollo flight? He said he and the others (or maybe just him, I forget) reported seeing something shadowing them on the way to the moon. He spoke publicly about it, but when confronted about it (presumably by the men in suits) he revoked his words.
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I bet. Why is it such a huge deal if aliens exist? Why can't the world know about it? Did you happen to see my video on the first page about the frantic caller talking about Area 51? I always wonder why everything about UFO's has to be kept a secret, perhaps not to scare anyone?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310175191' post='705151']
that whole thing is above my head lol, it lost me.
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I edited it so it would make a little bit more sense. Basically, if you click that link, it'll take you to the website that talks about the jellyfish crop circle in that picture I posted on this page. Well anyway, there was a crop circle that was believed to be the most complex before the jellyfish one, and its measurements were equal to that of the pyramid only boiled down. The number pi keeps popping up in weird places, wouldn't you say?

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310175477' post='705154']
I edited it so it would make a little bit more sense. Basically, if you click that link, it'll take you to the website that talks about the jellyfish crop circle in that picture I posted on this page. Well anyway, there was a crop circle that was believed to be the most complex before the jellyfish one, and its measurements were equal to that of the pyramid only boiled down. The number pi keeps popping up in weird places, wouldn't you say?
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It's definitely strange. Have you ever heard about the WOW signal? If not, look it up on wikipedia. Basically, the government tried to find domestic causes, but they were all scientifically explained away. However, the signal was never heard again after repeated attempts. Im getting chills right now just talking about it.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310175924' post='705158']
It's definitely strange. Have you ever heard about the WOW signal? If not, look it up on wikipedia. Basically, the government tried to find domestic causes, but they were all scientifically explained away. However, the signal was never heard again after repeated attempts. Im getting chills right now just talking about it.
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I actually have. I think it's evident that people like us have just as much proof that something exists far, far away. It's always interesting to hear both sides of the story, but there's really nothing that can sway me to thinking that aliens don't exist. It's all just too compelling. But as for December 21st, 2012, maybe this could be the day that we finally meet ET's. At least I'm hoping. I just want to see the look on certain people's faces when something of this magnitude happens.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310176244' post='705161']
I actually have. I think it's evident that people like us have just as much proof that something exists far, far away. It's always interesting to hear both sides of the story, but there's really nothing that can sway me to thinking that aliens don't exist. It's all just too compelling. But as for December 21st, 2012, maybe this could be the day that we finally meet ET's. At least I'm hoping. I just want to see the look on certain people's faces when something of this magnitude happens.
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Something will happen. What do you see when you think aliens? Do you see little green men? I can't wrap my mind around what they would look like. Also, I HATE it how scientists suggest that 'there can't be life on (insert planet here). Things adapt, and who are they to say life couldn't be completely different from here, beyond our imagination even. The higher ups in this human race are so naive.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310176760' post='705165']
Something will happen. What do you see when you think aliens? Do you see little green men? I can't wrap my mind around what they would look like. Also, I HATE it how scientists suggest that 'there can't be life on (insert planet here). Things adapt, and who are they to say life couldn't be completely different from here, beyond our imagination even. The higher ups in this human race are so naive.
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I see little green and gray men, a lot shorter than us, probably around 5 feet. They have huge heads with huge black eyes, basically similar to every artists portrayal (these images had to evolve from somewhere ). Scientists need to get off their high horses. There's places in this universe that we can't even go too, we haven't even explored, and they have the audacity to say that aliens aren't real. Maybe they're just mad that they can see us and we can't see them.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310177091' post='705170']
I see little green and gray men, a lot shorter than us, probably around 5 feet. They have huge heads with huge black eyes, basically similar to every artists portrayal (these images had to evolve from somewhere ). Scientists need to get off their high horses. There's places in this universe that we can't even go too, we haven't even explored, and they have the audacity to say that aliens aren't real. Maybe they're just mad that they can see us and we can't see them.
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Dey jealous lol

[flynismo]

Wow...scientists are naive and on their high horse because they don't believe in things that they have no evidence for? Interesting

[bdravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310190288' post='705228']
Wow...scientists are naive and on their high horse because they don't believe in things that they have no evidence for? Interesting
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They don't have evidence against it either. In other words, since they can't prove that it isn't somewhere else, they are naive to tell us it doesn't exist or tell us that it can't be different somewhere else.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310218796' post='705282']
They don't have evidence against it either. In other words, since they can't prove that it isn't somewhere else, they are naive to tell us it doesn't exist or tell us that it can't be different somewhere else.
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And who exactly says there isn't life somewhere else? Who exactly do you think are the people spending billions of dollars trying to search for it?
Not only that, but we are constantly re-defining what 'life' means here on earth. Sciences haven't made such claims that life does not exist elsewhere or it is not possible for life to exist in a form we have not yet discovered. I have no clue where you get this information from, but it is completely wrong, or you are not interpreting what you learn properly.


As for not having proof, there is a basic (and very flawed) concept that the less informed abide by. They claim that "you can not prove a negative." A real life example of that is found in religion. Joe says "God exists." Ray says "No, he does not."

If god does not exist, it is nearly impossible to prove it, for obvious reasons. What god is is not defined (I dont know what god is, but I know he's out there!) in a manner that is falsifiable. And rule number one of common sense, not just the scientific world, is that if a claim is not falsifiable, it is not a logical claim.

And this would apply to little green men, life elsewhere, and everything else.


Making those comments about the very people who make it possible for you all to come up with this talk is utterly disrespectful to those people who know far more about these things than you ever will. Surely you have heard of Stephen Hawking? Do you know what he says about these things? Obviously not, or you would not be spreading this misinformation.

[T-ray]

I thought we were trying to keep religion out of this topic (though I'm religious, Baptist namely)?????

[bdravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310225488' post='705310']
And who exactly says there isn't life somewhere else? Who exactly do you think are the people spending billions of dollars trying to search for it?
Not only that, but we are constantly re-defining what 'life' means here on earth. Sciences haven't made such claims that life does not exist elsewhere or it is not possible for life to exist in a form we have not yet discovered. I have no clue where you get this information from, but it is completely wrong, or you are not interpreting what you learn properly.


As for not having proof, there is a basic (and very flawed) concept that the less informed abide by. They claim that "you can not prove a negative." A real life example of that is found in religion. Joe says "God exists." Ray says "No, he does not."

If god does not exist, it is nearly impossible to prove it, for obvious reasons. What god is is not defined (I dont know what god is, but I know he's out there!) in a manner that is falsifiable. And rule number one of common sense, not just the scientific world, is that if a claim is not falsifiable, it is not a logical claim.

And this would apply to little green men, life elsewhere, and everything else.


Making those comments about the very people who make it possible for you all to come up with this talk is utterly disrespectful to those people who know far more about these things than you ever will. Surely you have heard of Stephen Hawking? Do you know what he says about these things? Obviously not, or you would not be spreading this misinformation.
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I do know Stephen Hawking. I said nothing about God, and I think it's 'utterly disrespectful' that you would put God in the same categories as little green men. It doesn't offend me, but some of the more religious folk out there wouldnt be too fond of that. It's unfortunate that our space program is constantly being budgeted more and more. There is groups of scientists out there that say it isn't likely (perhaps I should've said this instead of what I said before) that life is elsewhere, and I think they can be proven wrong with a trip to one asteroid, one planet, or one moon. They say "it isn't likely on (planet) because it's too cold". How do they know? Like you said, the definition of life here is being altered ever so slightly all the time. There are life forms living beneath the ice in Antarctica, and living in The hottest places on earth. The same exact scenarios could be taking place anywhere else, except gas planets of course. But that's not to say there isn't unique life on those types of places too.

[bdravens]

Question not related to anything we've been talking about. Why do you think the NASA program is being budgeted by our leaders? I believe there is something out there they dont want us to find. But as a few of you have said, perhaps 12/21/12 is the day that their will to keep us in the dark is ended. But again, who knows.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1310226433' post='705316']<br />I thought we were trying to keep religion out of this topic (though I'm religious, Baptist namely)?????  <img src='http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_brickwall.GIF' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />[/quote]


not sure if you are refering to my post, but I wasn't discussing religion. I was discussing the methods of debate.,,,,

[flynismo]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310227173' post='705323']<br />I do know Stephen Hawking. I said nothing about God, and I think it's 'utterly disrespectful' that you would put God in the same categories as little green men. It doesn't offend me, but some of the more religious folk out there wouldnt be too fond of that. It's unfortunate that our space program is constantly being budgeted more and more. There is groups of scientists out there that say it isn't likely (perhaps I should've said this instead of what I said before) that life is elsewhere, and I think they can be proven wrong with a trip to one asteroid, one planet, or one moon. They say &quot;it isn't likely on (planet) because it's too cold&quot;. How do they know? Like you said, the definition of life here is being altered ever so slightly all the time. There are life forms living beneath the ice in Antarctica, and living in The hottest places on earth. The same exact scenarios could be taking place anywhere else, except gas planets of course. But that's not to say there isn't unique life on those types of places too.<br />[/quote]



before anyone else gets the wrong idea of what I said, when I brought up the god debate, it was merely to point out a common debate.

In matters of debate, deities are pretty much the same as aliens and invisible pink unicorns. Neither of those entities are falsifiable. For example, can you prove the Invisible Pink Unicorn does not exist? Of course you can't. That is all I was saying regarding that.

[Moderator 3]

In order to avoid further misunderstandings, possibly offending others, and violating the Code of Conduct, let's stick with the "pink unicorns" and keep God out of it. That is just altogether too "touchy", which is why religious discussions are prohibited.Thanks.

[bdravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310229778' post='705344']
before anyone else gets the wrong idea of what I said, when I brought up the god debate, it was merely to point out a common debate.

In matters of debate, deities are pretty much the same as aliens and invisible pink unicorns. Neither of those entities are falsifiable. For example, can you prove the Invisible Pink Unicorn does not exist? Of course you can't. That is all I was saying regarding that.
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Lol that pink unicorn part gave me a laugh. I wasnt hating on you, I totally understand what you're saying.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310225488' post='705310']
And who exactly says there isn't life somewhere else? Who exactly do you think are the people spending billions of dollars trying to search for it?
Not only that, but we are constantly re-defining what 'life' means here on earth. Sciences haven't made such claims that life does not exist elsewhere or it is not possible for life to exist in a form we have not yet discovered. I have no clue where you get this information from, but it is completely wrong, or you are not interpreting what you learn properly.


As for not having proof, there is a basic (and very flawed) concept that the less informed abide by. They claim that "you can not prove a negative." A real life example of that is found in religion. Joe says "God exists." Ray says "No, he does not."

If god does not exist, it is nearly impossible to prove it, for obvious reasons. What god is is not defined (I dont know what god is, but I know he's out there!) in a manner that is falsifiable. And rule number one of common sense, not just the scientific world, is that if a claim is not falsifiable, it is not a logical claim.

And this would apply to little green men, life elsewhere, and everything else.


Making those comments about the very people who make it possible for you all to come up with this talk is utterly disrespectful to those people who know far more about these things than you ever will. Surely you have heard of Stephen Hawking? Do you know what he says about these things? Obviously not, or you would not be spreading this misinformation.
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The point is, nobody knows. Scientists can devout their entire lives trying to seek answers but science can't answer everything. While we're on Hawking, what he said about religion and heaven is just as disrespectful as what you're implying I said about science. I won't get into what he said because I don't want to offend anyone and get this thread locked up, but maybe since he knows everything, he can find a cure for his ALS. But that hasn't happened yet either.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310236617' post='705391']<br />The point is, nobody knows. Scientists can devout their entire lives trying to seek answers but science can't answer everything. While we're on Hawking, what he said about religion and heaven is just as disrespectful as what you're implying I said about science. I won't get into what he said because I don't want to offend anyone and get this thread locked up, but maybe since he knows everything, he can find a cure for his ALS. But that hasn't happened yet either.<br />[/quote]


exactly, nobody knows for a fact. So why would people want to put words in their mouths? The general consensus is 'who knows?', other than a few extremists here and there.

As for Hawking thoughts on religion, I wont repeat it or touch it. All I can say is that science and religion are not compatible with each other, and I personally hold similiar views.

[berad]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310236617' post='705391']
The point is, nobody knows. Scientists can devout their entire lives trying to seek answers but science can't answer everything. While we're on Hawking, what he said about religion and heaven is just as disrespectful as what you're implying I said about science. I won't get into what he said because I don't want to offend anyone and get this thread locked up, [b]but maybe since he knows everything, he can find a cure for his ALS. But that hasn't happened yet either.[/b]
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Haha, he's a theoretical physicist and cosmologist [i](not cosmotologist)[/i] but he isn't a medical researcher or doctor.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310253231' post='705489']
exactly, nobody knows for a fact. So why would people want to put words in their mouths? The general consensus is 'who knows?', other than a few extremists here and there.

As for Hawking thoughts on religion, I wont repeat it or touch it. All I can say is that science and religion are not compatible with each other, and I personally hold similiar views.
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Touché. That's completely understandable.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1310255376' post='705506']
Haha, he's a theoretical physicist and cosmologist [i](not cosmotologist)[/i] but he isn't a medical researcher or doctor.
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But he knows everything