December 21, 2012

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1310045223' post='704404']
ok hate to say it but franny or some one should lock this thread its outta hand and honestly some cant express thier views because of the usage rules its an unfair post
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If it makes you uncomfortable then why do you keep coming in and reading it? Nobody is getting out of hand lol, go back to Ravens Talk

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1310009912' post='704342']
That is a serious concern and is exactly why these conspiracy theorists need to put the tin foil hats away and stop stirring the pot for the fun of it. Harold Camping's mathematical equations in the bible caused deaths. This Mayan calendar BS is going to cause deaths. I wish people would use their brains instead of believing in conspiracy theories and trying to scare themselves and others.

When my calendars end I just buy a new one for the new year, I don't go starting rumors about the end of the world.
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When I say use your imagination, I'm not telling you to make up aliens in your mind, that's not what I'm doing. The statements made on that website are interesting, while some are even mind blowing, and they make you "imagine" what could have really happened, and who could have helped the Egytians and the Mayans.

Also, to the people talking about others taking their lives because of all this stuff, are you serious? I've never heard of this

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310010077' post='704343']
Ancient Egyptians are much smarter than commonly believed, but intellect doesn't explain how they were able to carry 2 ton blocks of stone. Without machinery of some sort, it isn't possible that human strength alone could not only carry these, but place them with such exactitude.
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Don't bother dude. The Egytians had their proten shakes, remember? Spare me

[T-ray]

LOL yeah Camille, intellect does explain how the Egyptians moved all the heavy crap.... they moved it with a combo of the force and teleporting!! Ah HA! Now I got it!

And as for locking this topic because of the Mayan calendar and how it had association with religious practices, so what?? We don't lock the entire forum up on Sundays because its the Sabbath day, so why lock this up because it was used in religious ceremonies thousands of years ago??

[MagicianCamille]

Sorry Romo Ravens but your refusal to use a search engine to look into claims of people here or arguments against the conspiracy theories you are trying to spread is entirely counter-productive. Everything you've claimed to be mind-blowing has a rational explanation. There is simply no reason to think anyone helped the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids aside from their slaves. None.

As for Nostradamus and his prophecies...http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/nostradamus-predictions/nostradamus-predictions-10.html

He made a lot of vague predictions and some of them can be twisted into being seen as coming true, kind of. In regards to Hurricane Katrina, he did not predict it. He was referring to France. Also, Nostradamus made predictions up until the 38th century, so if you do for some strange reason believe a guy from the 16th century accurately predicted the end of the world, it won't happen for another 2 thousand years. Sorry to disappoint.

In any event, the end of the Mayan calendar is not a doomsday prediction or significant event in terms of how it would affect our lives. The Mayan calendar is based on cycles, the current "era" ends in 2012, it began some time in 3,000 B.C. Did the world begin then? Obviously not...so what reason is there to think it would end when that Mayan era ends? Of course, the Mayans haven't been relevant in hundreds of years so all of this is meaningless anyway.

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1310062264' post='704512']
LOL yeah Camille, intellect does explain how the Egyptians moved all the heavy crap.... they moved it with a combo of the force and teleporting!! Ah HA! Now I got it![/quote]

How does intellect = the force and teleporting? That's just a dumb comment.

They obviously used some type of tool to move the stones. They thought it out, using their intellect. What is wrong with some of you people.

[ryan23945]

u r all forgetting the influence the predators had on the mayans...

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1310062383' post='704514']
Sorry Romo Ravens but your refusal to use a search engine to look into claims of people here or arguments against the conspiracy theories you are trying to spread is entirely counter-productive. Everything you've claimed to be mind-blowing has a rational explanation. There is simply no reason to think anyone helped the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids aside from their slaves. None.

As for Nostradamus and his prophecies...http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/nostradamus-predictions/nostradamus-predictions-10.html

He made a lot of vague predictions and some of them can be twisted into being seen as coming true, kind of. In regards to Hurricane Katrina, he did not predict it. He was referring to France. Also, Nostradamus made predictions up until the 38th century, so if you do for some strange reason believe a guy from the 16th century accurately predicted the end of the world, it won't happen for another 2 thousand years. Sorry to disappoint.

In any event, the end of the Mayan calendar is not a doomsday prediction or significant event in terms of how it would affect our lives. The Mayan calendar is based on cycles, the current "era" ends in 2012, it began some time in 3,000 B.C. Did the world begin then? Obviously not...so what reason is there to think it would end when that Mayan era ends? Of course, the Mayans haven't been relevant in hundreds of years so all of this is meaningless anyway.



How does intellect = the force and teleporting? That's just a dumb comment.

They obviously used some type of tool to move the stones. They thought it out, using their intellect. Jesus...what is wrong with some of you people.
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Of course each statement has a rational explanation. Everything that's ever happened has a rational explanation. But I choose to look the other way and use my imagination on what could have really happened. I'm not supporting that the world will end next year, I'm neutral on the opinions. But you're wrong in stating that there is no reason to think that the Egyptians didn't have any help. You still haven't even refuted the statements made on that website, and others, by offering some sort of intelligent opinions, instead using bashing and condescending answers. I delivered the website and offered my opinions, all you've done is disagreed and took your words with Wacko, not me. Also, just an FYI, I don't follow Nostradamus. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, sorry to disappoint. Also, he never even predicted anything for 2012, and everything that he does predict, like you said, usally gets twisted up.

But, like I've stated countless times, this thread doesn't have to just be about the Mayan calender. All I'm saying is that the site is a great read. I wanted to get opinions on what people think could happen in 2012, I'm sorry if I've offended you. Also, you're not worth getting my thread locked up, so keep the insults (what is wrong with some of you people) to yourself, sound good, tough guy?

[T-ray]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310063713' post='704526']
Of course each statement has a rational explanation. Everything that's ever happened has a rational explanation. But I choose to look the other way and use my imagination on what could have really happened. I'm not supporting that the world will end next year, I'm neutral on the opinions. But you're wrong in stating that there is no reason to think that the Egyptians didn't have any help. You still haven't even refuted the statements made on that website, and others, by offering some sort of intelligent opinions, instead using bashing and condescending answers. I delivered the website and offered my opinions, all you've done is disagreed and took your words with Wacko, not me. Also, just an FYI, I don't follow Nostradamus. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, sorry to disappoint. Also, he never even predicted anything for 2012, and everything that he does predict, like you said, usally gets twisted up.

But, like I've stated countless times, this thread doesn't have to just be about the Mayan calender. All I'm saying is that the site is a great read. I wanted to get opinions on what people think could happen in 2012, I'm sorry if I've offended you. Also, you're not worth getting my thread locked up, so keep the insults (what is wrong with some of you people) to yourself, sound good, tough guy?
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Camille isn't just a tough guy, he's a smart guy too! He thinks the Egyptians were smart enough to develop a magic wand tool, then it must be true.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1310064389' post='704530']
Camille isn't just a tough guy, he's a smart guy too! He thinks the Egyptians were smart enough to develop a magic wand tool, then it must be true.
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Lol, it's a shame that some people can't ever dive into the unexplained without becoming peeved, and their immediate answer to everything is rationale that's connected to the obvious explanations that [i]still[/i] don't ever truly tell the whole story. But it's cool, I can respect someone else's opinions without insult.

[flynismo]

Save the insults for the trolls we have to deal with. You may not like what Camille presents, so refute it. I'd be frustrated if I were him too.Anyway, who was it that said that they never heard of people killing themselves because of these yahoos running around?? There are countless incidences of it, many in modern times (my favorite nutjob was Marshall Applewhite. What a creeper)

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310068926' post='704577']
Save the insults for the trolls we have to deal with. You may not like what Camille presents, so refute it. I'd be frustrated if I were him too.Anyway, who was it that said that they never heard of people killing themselves because of these yahoos running around?? There are countless incidences of it, many in modern times (my favorite nutjob was Marshall Applewhite. What a creeper)
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It was me. I've never heard of it, at least I've never done my research on people killing themselves because of this stuff

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310064936' post='704537']
Lol, it's a shame that some people can't ever dive into the unexplained without becoming peeved, and their immediate answer to everything is rationale that's connected to the obvious explanations that [i]still[/i] don't ever truly tell the whole story. But it's cool, I can respect someone else's opinions without insult.
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I think the reason so many people get agitated when discussing the unexplained is that others often delve into using the supernatural as explanations.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310069278' post='704578']
It was me. I've never heard of it, at least I've never done my research on people killing themselves because of this stuff
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If you mean "2012" specifically, then no, I dont know of any examples either. But it was originally brought up as a general statement regarding the doomsday goofs as a whole.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310069467' post='704582']
I think the reason so many people get agitated when discussing the unexplained is that others often delve into using the supernatural as explanations.
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That's understandable. It might seem like I'm supporting the idea of the possibility of ET's and other things taking over our planet, but I'm really not. Like I said earlier, I'm neutral to the whole concept, and I'm not even lying. But why should people get agitated when the supernatural is brought up? While it might not be a plausible explanation, nobody has a clue about what happens after we die, how the earth was created, if aliens and ghosts exist, the possibility of other dimensions, or hell, if we're even real or not. Those are the kinds of things that I enjoy thinking about.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310069775' post='704588']
That's understandable. It might seem like I'm supporting the idea of the possibility of ET's and other things taking over our planet, but I'm really not. Like I said earlier, I'm neutral to the whole concept, and I'm not even lying. But why should people get agitated when the supernatural is brought up? While it might not be a plausible explanation,[b] nobody has a clue about what happens after we die, how the earth was created, if aliens and ghosts exist, the possibility of other dimensions, or hell, if we're even real or not.[/b] Those are the kinds of things that I enjoy thinking about.
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Hopefully the mods won't frown upon this response; I am trying to stay within the context of everything.

First, people should try not to get frustrated but it's just human nature, and goes both ways (why does that jerk refuse to accept my explanation of "God/aliens/Invisible Pink Unicorn did it"? for example). No biggie.

As for the bolded part, much of that is philosophical or religious. Now I'm saying this with as much respect to others as possible -- religion is completely incompatible with science. Religion does not deal in facts. In fact, quite the opposite since most religious material is allegorial, in order to deliver a greater message.
The sciences are pursuit of facts; wherever that may take us. So it's not hard to understand why people get frustrated over such things.

Btw, I LOVE these kind of topics as well. Carry on...

[Wacko4Zacko]

Well maybe the world will end when the Bengals win a superbowl.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='Wacko4Zacko' timestamp='1310072759' post='704615']
Well maybe the world will end when the Bengals win a superbowl.
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I'd say the Redskins winning the Super Bowl with Snyder, that seems more improbable than the Bengals winning one.

A couple years ago, I worked with a guy that was born and raised in Egypt. He said that they just moved sand up after completing each level of the pyramids. I believe they used logs to roll the blocks upon. Finish a level, and do it again. Hope that makes sense, kind of tough to describe.

[George70]

To be totally honest with all of you here, I don't believe there will be a physical destruction of the planet Earth on the date in question. Rather, I believe this will be the date signalling the beginning of a new age for mankind. As such, I believe that this may also be the date we make contact with alien beings from other parts of the universe, or even from other universes, as it were. I do believe that it will signal the end of much of the greed and wanton selfishness displayed by many of the people we see in this day and age, and we may just be a better people as a whole.

That is all I can say - for myself - on this matter.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='George70' timestamp='1310092454' post='704753']
To be totally honest with all of you here, I don't believe there will be a physical destruction of the planet Earth on the date in question. Rather, I believe this will be the date signalling the beginning of a new age for mankind. As such, I believe that this may also be the date we make contact with alien beings from other parts of the universe, or even from other universes, as it were. I do believe that it will signal the end of much of the greed and wanton selfishness displayed by many of the people we see in this day and age, and we may just be a better people as a whole.

That is all I can say - for myself - on this matter.
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Lovely. Thank you for your input. You really think that this could mark the day that we finally meet ET's when they come to earth? Why do you think this? I have similar theories.

[bdravens]

When were these calendars discovered anyway? What do the remaining Mayans think about this?

[flynismo]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310094324' post='704764']<br />When were these calendars discovered anyway? What do the remaining Mayans think about this?<br />[/quote]

pretty sure it was the Conquistadors who first discovered it in the 1500s.

[bdravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1310097511' post='704779']
pretty sure it was the Conquistadors who first discovered it in the 1500s.
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Is there proof that the calendar wasn't stopped being added to when they were invaded? So many details are unclear. Again, this coming from an open minded guy.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310098552' post='704781']<br />Is there proof that the calendar wasn't stopped being added to when they were invaded? So many details are unclear. Again, this coming from an open minded guy.<br />[/quote]


that I dont know. Although if it were tampered with, it would not be hard to figure out (and we'd already know about it), so I have to assume that everything is legit.

[George70]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310094099' post='704762']
Lovely. Thank you for your input. You really think that this could mark the day that we finally meet ET's when they come to earth? Why do you think this? I have similar theories.
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Well, my friend, I really believe that this could be the day when we finally meet - in our lifetimes - alien beings from another part of the universe, or even a completely different universe. Why I believe this is because there is just too much in the form of evidence, which I believe is influenced by the now-legendary Project Blue Book, coupled with claims by those who have had these encounters, for there to possibly be any contrary incident to happen.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='George70' timestamp='1310169939' post='705105']
Well, my friend, I really believe that this could be the day when we finally meet - in our lifetimes - alien beings from another part of the universe, or even a completely different universe. Why I believe this is because there is just too much in the form of evidence, which I believe is influenced by the now-legendary Project Blue Book, coupled with claims by those who have had these encounters, for there to possibly be any contrary incident to happen.
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It's odd, because my dad swears that he had an experience where he was on a bed, in a spaceship, and gray's were studying him and talking to each other. He's not the kind of lie either, and whenever I talk to him about aliens and ghosts, he kind of just laughs it off and it's hard to hold a conversation with him about these topics. But he says that this really happened to him.

Speaking of different universes, does anyone here believe in the multiverse? I don't want to turn this into a religious thread, but perhaps when we die, we're just born in another universe, totally different from our own. Think about that.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310171684' post='705117']
It's odd, because my dad swears that he had an experience where he was on a bed, in a spaceship, and gray's were studying him and talking to each other. He's not the kind of lie either, and whenever I talk to him about aliens and ghosts, he kind of just laughs it off and it's hard to hold a conversation with him about these topics. But he says that this really happened to him.

Speaking of different universes, does anyone here believe in the multiverse? I don't want to turn this into a religious thread, but perhaps when we die, we're just born in another universe, totally different from our own. Think about that.
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I could easily believe in that. This may or may not be related, but there was a show on once that talked about the possibility of finding a wormhole, entering the universe that is through it, scattering human DNA released by a spacecraft. This DNA could possibly end up in another world, to continue the human race. Back on topic, if those wormholes exist, I believe we would be shocked to find what's behind it.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1310172697' post='705126']
I could easily believe in that. This may or may not be related, but there was a show on once that talked about the possibility of finding a wormhole, entering the universe that is through it, scattering human DNA released by a spacecraft. This DNA could possibly end up in another world, to continue the human race. Back on topic, if those wormholes exist, I believe we would be shocked to find what's behind it.
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That's a show that been on lately hasn't it? I haven't gotten the chance to see it but I've been meaning to catch it. But that's so awesome. I wonder if man will ever be able to invent a machine to go to these different universes (if there are any) and if we'll ever be able to go back in time.

[codizzle]

some people will believe anything.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1310173726' post='705130']
That's a show that been on lately hasn't it? I haven't gotten the chance to see it but I've been meaning to catch it. But that's so awesome. I wonder if man will ever be able to invent a machine to go to these different universes (if there are any) and if we'll ever be able to go back in time.
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Speaking of time travel, I've also seen a show about that. It stated that, at least on earth, you would only be able to go back as far as when the machine was made. Time just amazes me. An intelligent life form 2011 light years away, if they had a super strong telescope, would be looking at Jesus right now. It's just mesmerizing to me.

[Purple Nurple]

Michael Crichton wrote a book about time travel, really good. This guy does his research, too. I'm sure if you really want to dive into the physics of it you'd want another book though, lol.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg[/img]