The "Let's Sign" Nnamdi Thread

[flynismo]

As the CBA agreement draws near, and free agency soon thereafter, it's time to get serious about this.

Consider this thread a petition to our Front Office and owner. The fans are speaking, and we want Nnamdi. At one point in time, we had the greatest defense this league has ever seen. Now we are viewed as has-beens, and no longer the "vaunted Ravens defense".

Nnamdi will change that. With him here, this defense will be one for the ages, much like our 2000 and 2006 versions were.

We have the money. And what's even better is that if we sign Nnamdi, we can then use one of our CB as trade bait. Rather than release Foxworth to make room for Nnamdi, why not trade him?


And why not come here Nnamdi? You have your money, but now you will have a chance to be a part of history. You can play alongside several HOF defenders, continuing the tradition of suffocating Baltimore defenses, possibly going down as one of the all time great units and making a run for the SB.

The Ravens are going to make him a very nice offer. I hope he makes the right choice.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I definitely think the Ravens will make him an offer, quite possibly a 'very nice' offer. I don't know how much of our cap salary we already have eaten up so I won't start making claims that there is no possible way that we could sign him. To do so, however, I think we'd have to cut McGahee, cut Foxworth (his trade value will be very low due to him coming off a serious injury, his age and his contract) and possibly not have room to re-sign Landry or another safety that could take his place. I think Naka and Zibby will come back on relatively cheap deals so one of them might be in contention for a starting place.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1309333003' post='702032']
As the CBA agreement draws near, and free agency soon thereafter, it's time to get serious about this.

Consider this thread a petition to our Front Office and owner. The fans are speaking, and we want Nnamdi. At one point in time, we had the greatest defense this league has ever seen. Now we are viewed as has-beens, and no longer the "vaunted Ravens defense".

Nnamdi will change that. With him here, this defense will be one for the ages, much like our 2000 and 2006 versions were.

We have the money. And what's even better is that if we sign Nnamdi, we can then use one of our CB as trade bait. Rather than release Foxworth to make room for Nnamdi, why not trade him?


And why not come here Nnamdi? You have your money, but now you will have a chance to be a part of history. You can play alongside several HOF defenders, continuing the tradition of suffocating Baltimore defenses, possibly going down as one of the all time great units and making a run for the SB.

The Ravens are going to make him a very nice offer. I hope he makes the right choice.
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So nice had to say it twice!

[757RavensFan]

In your opinion, if Nnamdi becomes a Raven, who's out?
Definitely Foxworth for the $$$ and probably even Gaither for the same reason.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1309352692' post='702049']
In your opinion, if Nnamdi becomes a Raven, who's out?
Definitely Foxworth for the $$$ and probably even Gaither for the same reason.
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Foxworth is gone if we sign Nnamdi, like you said. McGahee is another who would be almost certain to be cut (highly likely it happens anyway). Maybe McClain, unless they do decide to give him a greater slice of the cake on offense to justify his pricetag.

I certainly hope Gaither isn't lost though. I would personally prioritize re-signing Gaither higher than signing Nnamdi. I think our secondary without Nnamdi is a lot better than the OL without Gaither. Even so, I think the general feeling is that Gaither probably won't get that big money contract right now because of his injury, so hopefully he'll be willing to stay here to re-establish himself.

[lowrider]

Hypotherical question: How much would it cost to cut Foxworth? And how much would it cost to keep him this year?

Because realistically thinking it doesn't make sense to cut Foxworth and pay him 6 million over keeping him and paying him 7 million, if those are the correct numbers.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309354088' post='702052']
Hypotherical question: How much would it cost to cut Foxworth? And how much would it cost to keep him this year?

Because realistically thinking it doesn't make sense to cut Foxworth and pay him 6 million over keeping him and paying him 7 million, if those are the correct numbers.
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He's been paid all his guarantee......there is no cap hit by cutting Foxworth (if they were to do it).

[lowrider]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1309355187' post='702054']
He's been paid all his guarantee......there is no cap hit by cutting Foxworth (if they were to do it).
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So does it make sense to cut a guy who we already paid? I mean we might as well get our moneys worth

[1/28/01]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309356277' post='702058']
So does it make sense to cut a guy who we already paid? I mean we might as well get our moneys worth
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I am not a advocate for cutting Foxworth, was just pointing out that there is no "penalty" for cutting him.

[BMORElegacy]

This is just me spreading my "gospel." I've posted this on a previous thread but this is way to relevant to not mention it again. LETS GET NNAMDI


"DISCLAIMER: I was not initially high on the Nnamdi idea and didn't think it was realistic and affordable for our team. But after careful consideration and contemplating I came to the conclusions included below. I'm not saying this is going to happen or will happen. I'm just saying that it could, and if it did I strongly feel that it would do wonders for our team for the reasons mentioned below. Please don't go after me for being a bandwagoner or unrealistic because I have carefully thought all this out. Let me know what you guys think!

1) Nnamdi 2)Wilson 3)Smith 4)Webb 5&6) Brown and Williams Due to the shortened offseason Jimmy will most likely not start at the beginning of this season, he will need time to acclimate to the pro game. Wilson proved last year that he has starter quality talent and should get priority from the front office when business resumes. Due to $$$, Foxworth will get traded/cut, Carr will not be resigned, and neither will Washington. Foxworth is overpaid and will most likely not be the same after his injury. He was good before it and I don't realistically see him getting any better. Webb showed rust and we can't rely on Foxworth to have "rust" if he will be lining up against the competition's best WR while Jimmy gets the feel for the game. Use him as trade bait and free up the cap space for what I suggest next. Since the big name pass rusher isn't out there this off-season I believe that they should invest the money and get a real quality player in Nnamdi that will directly impact the effectiveness of the pass rush by practically shutting down one half of the field. Nnamdi has said that he wants to play under Ray and Ed and I feel like he will trade in the blockbuster contract to give himself a shot at a Super Bowl with a top contender. He already has enough money to retire on and I believe he will go to greener pastures in search of a ring instead of another rebuilding team and more money. Lets just call it the "Lebron Effect." Pagano knows what he is doing and he will surely utilize this talented defensive backfield to support the front 7 in blitz packages. In addition, by signing Nnamdi, you also get more bang for your buck out of Jimmy by giving him the opportunity to not only learn from Ed and Chuck Pagano, but also the best cover corner in the game. So in essence you get two Nnamdis for the price of one. By the end of the season, you have Nnamdi and Jimmy starting with Josh and Lardarius being the nickel and dimes. That would be the best DB lineup in the league.

In addition, news has broke that Kindle has been cleared to play. While he still has a ways to go, if everything pans out we could have a sack specialist in house already. By us having a dominant secondary in a pass first league, we will open up more blitz opportunities and get to the QB more. By getting Nnamdi, you not only get a great player, you also give a great prospect a better chance at success and give your pass rush more time to punish the passer. A lot of things have to fall in place for this to become a reality but I hope and pray that the FO sees the golden opportunity here to truly make our defense elite once more. As I'm sure Ray is telling his troops, "It's in Indy this year."

For those of you that scream the money isn't out there consider this. The vast majority of our CAP space is taken up by our aging stars: Heap, Mason, Ray, and Ed. In the next 2 years Ray and Mase will most likely retire with Heap following close behind (I believe that Reed will be around for a while still). Simply structure the contract so that Nnamdi's big money starts coming when players like Mase are headed out the door. Think of it as a changing of the guard as you will. When these big 4 retire they will be replaced by NGATA, Nnamdi, Flacco, Rice, and Oher. This is far from a pipe dream, this could very well happen folks. If it does happen, there will be a sweet spot of maybe 2 years where we could start a dynasty. If it does happen, our Super Bowl hopes and dreams will be much more attainable."

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309356277' post='702058']
So does it make sense to cut a guy who we already paid? I mean we might as well get our moneys worth
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If we are able to sign an All-Pro who is one year older and not coming off a serious knee injury. Yes it makes a lot of sense considering McGahee is leaving anyway and will give us over 10 mil per year to throw around, and still being able to resign all of our Key free Agents.

[lowrider]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1309356477' post='702060']
I am not a advocate for cutting Foxworth, was just pointing out that there is no "penalty" for cutting him.
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I'm totally against cutting Foxworth too. I'm just trying to reason out the thought process of cutting Foxworth.

So cutting Foxworth doesn't save the Ravens money. So it wouldn't make sense to cut Foxworth; it doesn't accomplish anything and it doesn't save any money. And Jimmy Smith is here to stay.

The next question we need to ask, does it make sense to invest another 9 million a year in a Nnamdi? Then Foxworth is getting paid 7 million a year to be our number two corner. And I don't know how the salery cap works, but lets say hypotherically our salery cap is 100 million dollars. Then we are investing 16% of our cap into one position and two players, when we have free agents such as Gaither, Yanda, (LeRon and Jameel) McClain, Grubbs, Ngata, Flacco, Rice. Gotta build a team on more than just one position.

Now I'm not a football finacial expert so obviously my understanding of the salery cap isn't exactly spectacular, but we gotta look at the bigger team picture. Cornerback is in a good situation with Foxworth being healthy, drafting Jimmy Smith, and we will probably resign either Wilson or Carr, and we still got Webb for depth. Theres no pressing need for Nnamdi in Baltimore.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309357728' post='702070']
I'm totally against cutting Foxworth too. I'm just trying to reason out the thought process of cutting Foxworth.

So cutting Foxworth doesn't save the Ravens money. So it wouldn't make sense to cut Foxworth; it doesn't accomplish anything and it doesn't save any money. And Jimmy Smith is here to stay.

The next question we need to ask, does it make sense to invest another 9 million a year in a Nnamdi? Then Foxworth is getting paid 7 million a year to be our number two corner. And I don't know how the salery cap works, but lets say hypotherically our salery cap is 100 million dollars. Then we are investing 16% of our cap into one position and two players, when we have free agents such as Gaither, Yanda, (LeRon and Jameel) McClain, Grubbs, Ngata, Flacco, Rice. Gotta build a team on more than just one position.

Now I'm not a football finacial expert so obviously my understanding of the salery cap isn't exactly spectacular, but we gotta look at the bigger team picture. Cornerback is in a good situation with Foxworth being healthy, drafting Jimmy Smith, and we will probably resign either Wilson or Carr, and we still got Webb for depth. Theres no pressing need for Nnamdi in Baltimore.
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Ok so f you read the thread nobody envisions nnamdi and Foxy on the same field. Second off even by your own calculations (assuming we can sign nnamdi for 9 mil) Considering Mcgahee he will be on his way out regardless, but just having Fox's salary to dish out then we will in essence only be paying 2 mil more for a HUGE upgrade over Fox. not to mention we need him to show Jimmy show to use every bit of his size. What are our 5'10" going to teach a corner who is that much more gifted physically. Sure they cold teach him how to use 5'10" of him, but nnamdi could teach Jimmy how to completely use his entire stature to shutdown receivers. It can and should be done.

[lowrider]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309358412' post='702077']
Ok so f you read the thread nobody envisions nnamdi and Foxy on the same field. Second off even by your own calculations (assuming we can sign nnamdi for 9 mil) Considering Mcgahee he will be on his way out regardless, but just having Fox's salary to dish out then we will in essence only be paying 2 mil more for a HUGE upgrade over Fox. not to mention we need him to show Jimmy show to use every bit of his size. What are our 5'10" going to teach a corner who is that much more gifted physically. Sure they cold teach him how to use 5'10" of him, but nnamdi could teach Jimmy how to completely use his entire stature to shutdown receivers. It can and should be done.
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I'm not denying that Nnamdi wouldn't be an upgrade. But Foxworth isn't going anywhere if the ravens already paid him. That wouldn't make sense to get rid of a guy we already paid, and either way we would still be investing a lot of money into one position.

Then your argument of Nnamdi could teach Smith better because he is 4 inches taller doesn't make any sense. Players are taught footwork and reading receivers regardless of height or size. Teaching the cornerback position and footwork doesn't change drastically because of 4 inches. That doesn't make sense

[lowrider]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1309356816' post='702062']
1) Nnamdi 2)Wilson 3)Smith 4)Webb 5&6) Brown and Williams Due to the shortened offseason Jimmy will most likely not start at the beginning of this season, he will need time to acclimate to the pro game. Wilson proved last year that he has starter quality talent and should get priority from the front office when business resumes. Due to $$$, Foxworth will get traded/cut, Carr will not be resigned, and neither will Washington. Foxworth is overpaid and will most likely not be the same after his injury. He was good before it and I don't realistically see him getting any better. Webb showed rust and we can't rely on Foxworth to have "rust" if he will be lining up against the competition's best WR while Jimmy gets the feel for the game. Use him as trade bait and free up the cap space for what I suggest next. Since the big name pass rusher isn't out there this off-season I believe that they should invest the money and get a real quality player in Nnamdi that will directly impact the effectiveness of the pass rush by practically shutting down one half of the field. Nnamdi has said that he wants to play under Ray and Ed and I feel like he will trade in the blockbuster contract to give himself a shot at a Super Bowl with a top contender. He already has enough money to retire on and I believe he will go to greener pastures in search of a ring instead of another rebuilding team and more money. Lets just call it the "Lebron Effect." Pagano knows what he is doing and he will surely utilize this talented defensive backfield to support the front 7 in blitz packages. In addition, by signing Nnamdi, you also get more bang for your buck out of Jimmy by giving him the opportunity to not only learn from Ed and Chuck Pagano, but also the best cover corner in the game. So in essence you get two Nnamdis for the price of one. By the end of the season, you have Nnamdi and Jimmy starting with Josh and Lardarius being the nickel and dimes. That would be the best DB lineup in the league.

For those of you that scream the money isn't out there consider this. The vast majority of our CAP space is taken up by our aging stars: Heap, Mason, Ray, and Ed. In the next 2 years Ray and Mase will most likely retire with Heap following close behind (I believe that Reed will be around for a while still). Simply structure the contract so that Nnamdi's big money starts coming when players like Mase are headed out the door. Think of it as a changing of the guard as you will. When these big 4 retire they will be replaced by NGATA, Nnamdi, Flacco, Rice, and Oher. This is far from a pipe dream, this could very well happen folks. If it does happen, there will be a sweet spot of maybe 2 years where we could start a dynasty. If it does happen, our Super Bowl hopes and dreams will be much more attainable."
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1)From my understanding of Foxworth's contract his money is guaranteed so we are paying it regardless of being traded or cut. So he isn't going to get traded or get cut.

2)Saying he won't be the same from an ACL injury is based off of your assumption, not off of fact. ACL injuries aren't career ending anymore. Just look at Wes Welker last year and what he did. So I'm not sure your assumption of him not being the same again is true.

3)Nnamdi isn't going to take that much of a discount. He is the number 1 or 2 cb in the league and even if he does take a discount, there is no way he will be paid less than what Foxworth is being paid.

4)Nnamdi is going to want guaranteed money. It's not going to be something were we can just pay him after everyone retires. He will want his money up front, and then we are still investing a high percentage of our financials into one position.

If we could get Nnamdi I would lose my mind and be so excited. I just don't see it happening. Especially since we invested our first round pick in a cb.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309359409' post='702081']
I'm not denying that Nnamdi wouldn't be an upgrade. But Foxworth isn't going anywhere if the ravens already paid him. That wouldn't make sense to get rid of a guy we already paid, and either way we would still be investing a lot of money into one position.

[b]Then your argument of Nnamdi could teach Smith better because he is 4 inches taller doesn't make any sense. Players are taught footwork and reading receivers regardless of height or size. Teaching the cornerback position and footwork doesn't change drastically because of 4 inches. That doesn't make sense[/b]
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No that statement doesn't make any sense. It makes all the difference in the world. The overall body length and arm length are absolutely key to cb's and wr's, either that or they just like to measure them at the combine, I dont know I guess it is up for debate. Yeah footwork and reading receiver's is going to be the same of course, but what body positions you can be in, where you should be as a shorter receiver to make the best play on the ball is not always going to be the same because of stature and arm length. just for example the same principles is foot \work are going to be the same on how you defend a slant route but small CB's have to play big Wr's different then a big Cb does and there are many more examples but I am not going to get into that. it makes a huge difference so your argument is the one that makes no sense.

And we haven't paid his full contract out and we owe him no guaranteed money out of him. And it doesn't matter we will never get our money out of him. He had his fair share of troubles his first year, then he sat out a year, his 3rd year he will only be a shadow of who he was. His 4th year who knows why risk it when we can cut our losses and have a player who isn't coming off a career changing injury, who isn't going to have a learning curve, who isn't going to allow a single 2 catch game by the league's best, who isn't going let the big play happen, and yeah I could keep going but by now if you don't get the point your not going to.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309357728' post='702070']<br />I'm totally against cutting Foxworth too.  I'm just trying to reason out the thought process of cutting Foxworth.  <br /><br />So cutting Foxworth doesn't save the Ravens money.  So it wouldn't make sense to cut Foxworth; it doesn't accomplish anything and it doesn't save any money. And Jimmy Smith is here to stay.  <br /><br />The next question we need to ask, does it make sense to invest another 9 million a year in a Nnamdi?  Then Foxworth is getting paid 7 million a year to be our number two corner.  And I don't know how the salery cap works, but lets say hypotherically our salery cap is 100 million dollars.  Then we are investing 16% of our cap into one position and two players, when we have free agents such as Gaither, Yanda, (LeRon and Jameel) McClain, Grubbs, Ngata, Flacco, Rice.  Gotta build a team on more than just one position.  <br /><br />Now I'm not a football finacial expert so obviously my understanding of the salery cap isn't exactly spectacular, but we gotta look at the bigger team picture.  Cornerback is in a good situation with Foxworth being healthy, drafting Jimmy Smith, and we will probably resign either Wilson or Carr, and we still got Webb for depth.  Theres no pressing need for Nnamdi in Baltimore.<br />[/quote]


let's do it like this.


Revis signed a 4 year, $32M contract. So, thats $8M a year. It's safe to assume that Nnamdi will get roughly the same annual salary.

So, do you want to pay Foxworth $7M a year or do you want Nnamdi at $8M a year? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[gabefergy]

I already posted what our cap situation looks like in another thread, to sum it up we could offer Nnamdi a 9-10M dollar deal, but between him and Ngata that would essentially put us at the cap without being able to resign any other players.

I doubt the Ravens will cut Foxworth, but they would have to to make it work financially. Maybe Ozzie can work some magic, Nnamdi would obviously make this defense great but at what cost?

[lowrider]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309361095' post='702090']
No that statement doesn't make any sense. It makes all the difference in the world. The overall body length and arm length are absolutely key to cb's and wr's, either that or they just like to measure them at the combine, I dont know I guess it is up for debate. Yeah footwork and reading receiver's is going to be the same of course, but what body positions you can be in, where you should be as a shorter receiver to make the best play on the ball is not always going to be the same because of stature and arm length. just for example the same principles is foot \work are going to be the same on how you defend a slant route but small CB's have to play big Wr's different then a big Cb does and there are many more examples but I am not going to get into that. it makes a huge difference so your argument is the one that makes no sense.

And we haven't paid his full contract out and we owe him no guaranteed money out of him. And it doesn't matter we will never get our money out of him. He had his fair share of troubles his first year, then he sat out a year, his 3rd year he will only be a shadow of who he was. His 4th year who knows why risk it when we can cut our losses and have a player who isn't coming off a career changing injury, who isn't going to have a learning curve, who isn't going to allow a single 2 catch game by the league's best, who isn't going let the big play happen, and yeah I could keep going but by now if you don't get the point your not going to.
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I understand what your saying. But professional cb's and athletes know how to handle matchups and situations. And Foxworth is a professional. I mean I guess Nnamdi could give advice what works better for him. But what makes Nnamdi so good is his pure talent, not necessarily his fundamentals. People can coach something a million different ways and show it. But it is how a person's talent and body limits them. I highly doubt that Nnamdi could teach Smith something so much better than Foxworth could because Nnamdi has a bigger body size than Foxworth.

You act as if Foxworth was a complete disaster his first year. He struggled the first part of the first year, but so did the entire defense. The whole defense was adjusting to a new defensive coordinator and there was a lot of problems with many players. I forget the specific statistic, but in 2009 after week 7 (once the team started to make adjustments to the new defense) the Ravens pass defense was ranked number 2 in the league. Foxworth was complimented week after week at that point for his consistent play.

From my understanding of his contract, correct me if I'm wrong, Foxworth's money is guaranteed or already been paid. If that is the case we are not getting rid of him. There is no doubt that Nnamdi would be a great player to have. But it just doesn't make sense to invest another a lot of money into another contract at the cb position.

[flynismo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1309362053' post='702098']<br />I already posted what our cap situation looks like in another thread, to sum it up we could offer Nnamdi a 9-10M dollar deal, but between him and Ngata that would essentially put us at the cap without being able to resign any other players. <br /><br />I doubt the Ravens will cut Foxworth, but they would have to to make it work financially. Maybe Ozzie can work some magic, Nnamdi would obviously make this defense great but at what cost?<br />[/quote]


how can that be when we don't even know what the cap for each team is yet?

But regardless, trading Foxworth's salary for Nnamdi's will have little impact on the team's cap flexibility, if we released Foxworth. Worst case is that the extra $1M or so we pay Nnamdi means that we cannot bring back a role player like Carr.

[lowrider]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1309362053' post='702098']
I already posted what our cap situation looks like in another thread, to sum it up we could offer Nnamdi a 9-10M dollar deal, but between him and Ngata that would essentially put us at the cap without being able to resign any other players.

I doubt the Ravens will cut Foxworth, but they would have to to make it work financially. Maybe Ozzie can work some magic, Nnamdi would obviously make this defense great but at what cost?
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Exactly. Thats exactly what I have been trying to say. I would love it to happen, and if it can happen it would be great. I just highly doubt it will be able to happen

[lowrider]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/domonique-foxworth/

16.5 million guaranteed. Foxworth is set to make 4.1 million next year. Just so everyone knows his contract

[flynismo]

,[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309362444' post='702102']<br />I understand what your saying.  But professional cb's and athletes know how to handle matchups and situations.  And Foxworth is a professional.  I mean I guess Nnamdi could give advice what works better for him. But what makes Nnamdi so good is his pure talent, not necessarily his fundamentals. People can coach something a million different ways and show it.  But it is how a person's talent and body limits them.  I highly doubt that Nnamdi could teach Smith something so much better than Foxworth could because Nnamdi has a bigger body size than Foxworth.<br /><br />You act as if Foxworth was a complete disaster his first year.  He struggled the first part of the first year, but so did the entire defense.  The whole defense was adjusting to a new defensive coordinator and there was a lot of problems with many players.  I forget the specific statistic, but in 2009 after week 7 (once the team started to make adjustments to the new defense) the Ravens pass defense was ranked number 2 in the league.  Foxworth was complimented week after week at that point for his consistent play.  <br /><br />From my understanding of his contract, correct me if I'm wrong, Foxworth's money is guaranteed or already been paid.  If that is the case we are not getting rid of him.  There is no doubt that Nnamdi would be a great player to have.  But it just doesn't make sense to invest another a lot of money into another contract at the cb position.<br />[/quote]


regarding Foxy's contract, I was under the same impression as well.
After MUCH researching into it, the other members are correct: if we cut Foxworth, there would be no penalty to us whatsoever.

So it goes back to my previous question, would you rather pay Foxworth $7M or Nnamdi $8M?
It really is as simple as that. The idea of signing Nnamdi is not only not far-fetched like some may believe, in terms of value, it is the smart thing to do.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[gabefergy]

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Lets say we are playing with a 130M salary cap figure, that may be a bit high but should be about right.

Right now the Ravens are at 101M dollars not counting RFA tenders or Franchise Tag. cap numbers

Lets say we cut McGahee...thats about 5M coming off the books. I am not entirely sure what the cap hit is, but I know some of that salary still goes into the Cap. That leaves us at 96M. So we have 34M to play with for next year.

Now where can that 34M go?

12M for Haloti Ngata
~2M for a backup QB
~2M for Le'Ron McClain or FA Fullback
4-5M for Marshall Yanda
3-4M for Landry or another FA safety
4-5M for Carr/Wilson at CB
4-5M for tendered players McClain, Gooden, Talavou, Cousins, Nakamura, Zbikowski (estimated figures)
~1M for Chris Chester
~4-5M for players we just drafted

so where does that leave us? not much room for 10M to give to Nnamdi even if we dont retain any FA CBs or Safety other than Asomugha.

I also didnt factor in Gaither, who the FO may want to retain as well.

Going forward several players will be coming off contracts: Birk 3M, Mason 4.5M, Heap 4.5M, JJ 3.5M, Redding 2.5M

But then other players will be coming up for new contracts including draft picks, Ray Rice (6-7M per year range), Joe Flacco (8-9M per year), Ben Grubbs (4-5M per year range), Brandon McKinney (1-2M per year range), Jameel McClain (3-4M per year range),Sergio Kindle (going to depend on performance)

Basically, it would be possible to sign Aso but it is not prudent. Signing him would severely limit our ability to retain key free agents this year and in the future. It would also make it virtually impossible to pick up any other free agents to help in the secondary or pass-rush or O-line.

Feel free to look up the numbers yourself if you want.
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The contract numbers are speculation on my part, but I dont think they are way off. I originally put the cap at 130M, but after hearing more from the CBA talks it appears that it will be closer to 120M.

We would have to cut Foxworth to make it happen unless we really dont try to resign any of our Free Agents. While I know its just business I dont think that would be the kind of move our Front Office would make.

Here is a list of the Cap Situations for every team

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures"]cap numbers[/url]

[Radinho84]

the thing is also: what does it say about a franchise that cuts a player on his way back from injury that is also a class act person? i don´t want to cut foxy. he is a guy that i like way too much. if we have to get rid of him it would be much better to trade him.

what do players think about a FO that fires their guys just to get a 31 year old veteran.

don´t get me wrong. getting aso would be huge and one of my biggest dreams. BUT you have to show your players that the ravens are a big family that you wanna play for. by cutting a potential starter you just show that you are only thinking for the money...

signing aso doesn´t guarantee the superbowl. he would be a huge addition but one has to look at the complete picture of such a situation...

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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1309364510' post='702125']
the thing is also: what does it say about a franchise that cuts a player on his way back from injury that is also a class act person? i don´t want to cut foxy. he is a guy that i like way too much. if we have to get rid of him it would be much better to trade him.

what do players think about a FO that fires their guys just to get a 31 year old veteran.

don´t get me wrong. getting aso would be huge and one of my biggest dreams. BUT you have to show your players that the ravens are a big family that you wanna play for. by cutting a potential starter you just show that you are only thinking for the money...

signing aso doesn´t guarantee the superbowl. he would be a huge addition but one has to look at the complete picture of such a situation...
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This isn't intended to sound heartless or cutthroat, but the fact of the matter is is that the Ravens are a business who's sole purpose is to win a Super Bowl. They are expected to do everything in their power to achieve that goal. We cut Dilfer after he won us a Super Bowl and replaced him with Elvis Grbac, I'm sure that looked ruthless back in the day but the truth remained that Difler wasn't too good and we were trying to improve at the QB position.

Foxy is a great guy but to put all of the eggs in one basket and hope that his knee holds up doesn't make much business sense. To get Nnamdi, they will have to do something with Foxworth, that goes without saying. I hope he gets traded but I doubt any team is going to want to pick up his contract with him coming off such a serious injury. So just trying to be realistic, what makes the most sense is that they cut him to free up the room.

Obviously this is all speculation and the most likely outcome is that they stick with Foxworth, but if they want to make the move for Nnamdi, they will have to get rid of Foxworth.

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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1309364510' post='702125']
the thing is also: what does it say about a franchise that cuts a player on his way back from injury that is also a class act person? i don´t want to cut foxy. he is a guy that i like way too much. if we have to get rid of him it would be much better to trade him.

[b]what do players think about a FO that fires their guys just to get a 31 year old veteran.[/b]

don´t get me wrong. getting aso would be huge and one of my biggest dreams. BUT you have to show your players that the ravens are a big family that you wanna play for. by cutting a potential starter you just show that you are only thinking for the money...

signing aso doesn´t guarantee the superbowl. he would be a huge addition but one has to look at the complete picture of such a situation...
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Aso is 29, and Fox is only a year younger. And they should think hey they are tryin to win us a SB.

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regarding Foxy's contract, I was under the same impression as well.
After MUCH researching into it, the other members are correct: if we cut Foxworth, there would be no penalty to us whatsoever.

So it goes back to my previous question, would you rather pay Foxworth $7M or Nnamdi $8M?
It really is as simple as that. The idea of signing Nnamdi is not only not far-fetched like some may believe, in terms of value, it is the smart thing to do.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Just so you know, Foxworth is scheduled to make 4.1 million this year and 5.5 million next year. We already invested 18 or 19 million into this guy for 2 years. It wouldn't make sense to get rid of him at this point. I guess we could get some return for him, but it would be a poor management of finacials if we cut him.

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"12M for Haloti Ngata
~2M for a backup QB
~2M for Le'Ron McClain or FA Fullback
4-5M for Marshall Yanda
[b]3-4M for Landry or another FA safety[/b]
[b]4-5M for Carr/Wilson at CB
[/b][b]4-5M for tendered players McClain, Gooden, Talavou, Cousins, Nakamura, Zbikowski (estimated figures)[/b]
~1M for Chris Chester
~4-5M for players we just drafted"


I don't believe we will sign another safety unless we are re-signing one of our own (in all likelihood Zibi or Nakamura)

Nor do I think we will sign Wilson for the reason of saving cap room. I also believe we won't go for another backup qb. Set with 2.

I think we can sign Nnamdi. I think our FO will try to sign him. But I think we also need to save room for Gaither. He made our o-line really good when he was healthy and playing. He won't cost as much because he is coming off of an injury like someone previously stated.

I think we will try to sign/ re-sign these players...the zibmeister, Nnamdi, Gaither, Yanda, Carr, Chester, Mcclain, and sign ngata a fat contract.

We will cut...Foxworth, mcgahee, as well as possible others.

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[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1309365704' post='702131']
Just so you know, Foxworth is scheduled to make 4.1 million this year and 5.5 million next year. [b]We already invested 18 or 19 million into this guy for 2 years. It wouldn't make sense to get rid of him at this point.[/b] I guess we could get some return for him, but it would be a poor management of finacials if we cut him.
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Can you explain this to me? So because we paid him and he has not produced we should hold out hope. It does not make much sense to cut him for a guy that is to say the least a proven commodity. i am not exactly sure what we have paid him in the past has to do with how he will help us in the future. That is the hardest thing for me is linking how grossly we overpaid him to why he deserves sticking around. There is an old saying a fool and his money are soon departed. And as classy of a guy as he is, since we signed him to say that it has been a bust might be an understatement.