Sexy Rexy Or Harbaugh?

[flynismo]

The Ed Reed thread got me thinking about this.

Harbs or Ryan? Who would you rather have? Did we make the right choice?

[codizzle]

not even a question. hire harbs.. rex is a joke. i have lost a lot of respect for him because of how he carries himself and his team.. i respect someone who has high standards and carries themselves professionally

[Romo Ravens]

I didn't know anything about Harbaugh when he was hired, so it's extremely difficult to say at the moment. I loved Ryan when he was with us, but I just don't like what he says now and how he says it. I like Harbaugh's low-key demeanor while he still gets the job done. Of course he still has some things he needs to work on, but he's a winner. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with either, unless of course one wins multiple Super Bowls and the other doesn't. I'll just be a homer and choose Harbaugh, because that's what I know.

[RavensAllTheWay]

At the time, I think I probably would've hired Rex (although it's hard to say since I'm not in Ozzie's position), but I'm not going to say he was the right choice.

[ellicottraven]

To be absolutely honest, this is a question that has irked me no end. I hate Rex's guts now (probably because he took a no name team and made them contenders), but you cannot deny the fact that he has taken the Jets to two straight AFC championship games. What might have been had he been promoted? One can only speculate at this point.
Having said that I am now very comfortable with Harbs and much less envious of having lost Rex. As much as I loved Rex then, he pisses me off just as much now - just his non stop gabbing!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I'll go ahead and be the first one (and after all the negs probably the last) but I would rather have rex ryan. there are a mulititude of reasons.

The first thing is that the guy is a proven winner. We went to the AFCCG once he did it twice. He knows how to beat the pats, and the colts, something harbs does not.

Second love the man's or hate the man's mouth. He is twice the motivator that Harbs is, and gets his players to play for him. You can say he talks a lot of trash but he has knocked on the SB's door more than we have. His player's and most of our's say that he is the guy that they all looked up too, and to be honest as fans how we feel about coaches really don't matter because the player's are the ones that put up point's, and I know for me for example if I hate Cam Cameron because I think he is soft but his soft play calling is winning us games then I could totally back him. So how the players feel about this guy says a lot.

Third he has that ravens swagger. You guys have heard me mention it before he has the physicality that made us famous. He is confident and is not scared to say it, he thinks he is the best and often gets his players thinking like that which shows up on the field. Second I have a feeling that if Cameron crapped on his offense he would have been gone 2 years ago. First off he is one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL, and already knew how to get the most out of OUR guys. That showboating thing by Ellerbe was in my opinion the dumbest things I have seen by a head coach. Somebody in an earlier thread mentioned we dont want thugs on out team. So when deion high stepped into the endzone he was a thug.... What kind of sense does that make, he made a great play and is excited about it and plays with emotion (who wants that out of a player.. I'm glad Ray doesnt play with emotion...what a joke.) If you are going to tell your guys not to get excited and just be a machine out there and dont celebrate, play with silent passion so nobody knows your excited..come one really. He would also not be afraid to tell the league what many of you have said and that is we are the best team in the league.

Fourth is that think about the personnel we would still have, granted is Bart Scott, Jim leoanrd and Trevor Pryce the best at their positions know, but I would take them over anybody that plays their position now, except for pryce, I like what redding has done. That also speaks volumes for how much they want to play for that guy.

Fifth is that he is not afraid to make personnel decisions. He brought weapons in to help a rookie QB when he got their. Granted we picked up Q who is one of my favorite players in the league and was before he got here, but Rex brought in speed and I like his aggressive play calling with those weapons. And then with Oz's drafting magic I cant help but think what we could be and how much quicker he would have gotten there.

Sixth is the fact that he gets emotionally invested in his players. He was the main one trying to get Revis back during that hold out, he was the one who threw out suggestions for brokering the deal, he was the one that called him everyday to make sure he still wanted to be a jet. That kind of dedication to the players makes them fight harder for you which I believe his definitely do. He is strict but makes it a point to playe every player on his team at least on time a game, so that right there makes sure that one play that that player gets to make himself shine.

There are several others but that is just a few of what I believe, and not to say I don't like Harbs or anything but if it came down to a choice Harbs would still be in Philly and we would be in the Rex Ryan era.

[Blex64]

While I definitely think Ryan is arrogant and narcissistic, I also think he plays it up a bit because he's coaching the Jets. It's a New York team, and that's how New Yorkers are. They're boisterous, they're loud, they're obnoxious (no offense to any New Yorkers). He had a swagger when he was here as well, and he brought a bit of one to the team. He's not the only one. Ray has one, so do Ed and Sizzle. We have plenty of quieter guys too, like Joe and Ngata, but we have our fair share of players with attitude and I honestly think he fits it well.

I also think Ryan is a perfect fit for our team. He knew our defense in and out, our players knew him and trusted him, and on top of it all I think we would have kept Bart Scott and probably Leonhard if Rex had stayed. On top of it all, I like Rex's hirings in New York and some of his personnel decisions more then I like some of Harbs'. I really like Pagano, but I wasn't a fan of Mattison and I'm sure as hell not a fan of Cameron.

Ryan has been trying to mold the Jets into us. He plays like us and built his team like us, and although he's gotten more then one lucky break in the playoffs, he's had more success with worse personnel at just about every position - certainly at some of the biggest skill positions. However, with that being said, I think he and Bart both know they're worse then us. They talked big last year and got embarrassed in their new stadium on the primetime season opener, and I hope we show them up again this year. They created a rivalry where there wasn't one (at least in my mind), and I'm going to enjoy stomping them again this year.

I love Harbs, and I think he's a great head coach. But I think Ryan would have been a better one.

[deathbird52]

I think we would be fine either way. Harbs has been great for the team. Hes made the Ravens a TEAM. We use to be a great D, a strong running game, and Heap. We're becoming balenced on Off and Def. The D would be great under Rex, but I don't think our offense would be what it is. Would Flacco and Ray Rice be the core of our offense? I seriously doubt it. In short term success Rex could have been our guy. We may have been able to win a SB or 2, during these firs 3 years. But, Harbs will have us in contention every season by being a balenced. I can't tell you what Rex's offense would look like or what his plan on defense is after Ed and Ray. But, we can see Harbs' plan becoming a reality. As a dedicated Ravens fan I believe either would win SBs as HC. Rex could already have 1 or 2 under his belt. Harbs keeps us in contention every year. Ounce we breakthrough I think we'll be able to maintain greatness. I voted for Harbs because I see his vision. However, if Rex was given an average QB that doesn't turnover the football and continued excellence on defense I think I'd choose him over Harbs. I love both but I really just want to see Ed win his 1st and Ray win another.

[Corvus]

Harbs is the only other head coaching hire in the last 3 years to have anywhere near or equal the amount of success as Rex has in his 2 so to me its a toss up question. I always liked Rex and always will to a degree but I prefer Harbs' "coaching traits" wearing off onto our team as opposed to Rex's demeanor. I do think both are really good players' coaches but Rex prob has am edge here. I think Harbs is the perfect coach for us though, his combination of being a decent player's coach and being hardline when needed is the right mix. Just my opinion though, hard to argue against the good number of games he has led this team to in wins in over the last 3 years.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309151386' post='701252']
I'll go ahead and be the first one (and after all the negs probably the last) but I would rather have rex ryan. there are a mulititude of reasons.

The first thing is that the guy is a proven winner. We went to the AFCCG once he did it twice. He knows how to beat the pats, and the colts, something harbs does not.

Second love the man's or hate the man's mouth. He is twice the motivator that Harbs is, and gets his players to play for him. You can say he talks a lot of trash but he has knocked on the SB's door more than we have. His player's and most of our's say that he is the guy that they all looked up too, and to be honest as fans how we feel about coaches really don't matter because the player's are the ones that put up point's, and I know for me for example if I hate Cam Cameron because I think he is soft but his soft play calling is winning us games then I could totally back him. So how the players feel about this guy says a lot.

Third he has that ravens swagger. You guys have heard me mention it before he has the physicality that made us famous. He is confident and is not scared to say it, he thinks he is the best and often gets his players thinking like that which shows up on the field. Second I have a feeling that if Cameron crapped on his offense he would have been gone 2 years ago. First off he is one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL, and already knew how to get the most out of OUR guys. That showboating thing by Ellerbe was in my opinion the dumbest things I have seen by a head coach. Somebody in an earlier thread mentioned we dont want thugs on out team. So when deion high stepped into the endzone he was a thug.... What kind of sense does that make, he made a great play and is excited about it and plays with emotion (who wants that out of a player.. I'm glad Ray doesnt play with emotion...what a joke.) If you are going to tell your guys not to get excited and just be a machine out there and dont celebrate, play with silent passion so nobody knows your excited..come one really. He would also not be afraid to tell the league what many of you have said and that is we are the best team in the league.

Fourth is that think about the personnel we would still have, granted is Bart Scott, Jim leoanrd and Trevor Pryce the best at their positions know, but I would take them over anybody that plays their position now, except for pryce, I like what redding has done. That also speaks volumes for how much they want to play for that guy.

Fifth is that he is not afraid to make personnel decisions. He brought weapons in to help a rookie QB when he got their. Granted we picked up Q who is one of my favorite players in the league and was before he got here, but Rex brought in speed and I like his aggressive play calling with those weapons. And then with Oz's drafting magic I cant help but think what we could be and how much quicker he would have gotten there.

Sixth is the fact that he gets emotionally invested in his players. He was the main one trying to get Revis back during that hold out, he was the one who threw out suggestions for brokering the deal, he was the one that called him everyday to make sure he still wanted to be a jet. That kind of dedication to the players makes them fight harder for you which I believe his definitely do. He is strict but makes it a point to playe every player on his team at least on time a game, so that right there makes sure that one play that that player gets to make himself shine.

There are several others but that is just a few of what I believe, and not to say I don't like Harbs or anything but if it came down to a choice Harbs would still be in Philly and we would be in the Rex Ryan era.
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Those guys you mentioned were cap/personnel casualties, not followers of Rex. Its was a cause and efect type thing. If we wanted them/could afford them, we would have kept them. They didn't "choose" Rex. AND we whooped the Pats in '09, right?

I would vote Harbs everyday!!

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309151386' post='701252']
That showboating thing by Ellerbe was in my opinion the dumbest things I have seen by a head coach. Somebody in an earlier thread mentioned we dont want thugs on out team. So when deion high stepped into the endzone he was a thug.... What kind of sense does that make, he made a great play and is excited about it and plays with emotion (who wants that out of a player.. I'm glad Ray doesnt play with emotion...what a joke.) If you are going to tell your guys not to get excited and just be a machine out there and dont celebrate, play with silent passion so nobody knows your excited..come one really. He would also not be afraid to tell the league what many of you have said and that is we are the best team in the league.
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Really? Being a "players coach" like Rex doesn't mean tolerating stupid and disrespectful celebrations in a meaningless game (that we LOST) by a player who can barely get on the field for special teams, let alone play next to Ray, because of his boneheaded penalties. This is not like Desean falling into the endzone in the miracle of the meadowlands. This is a talented player who wants to celebrate BEFORE he's even in the endzone in a preseason game. Ellerbe needs to demonstrate to Harbs that he's not an idiot who will cost them field position with his lack of composure. The problem isn't that Ellerbe plays with passion, it's that he's all passion and no brains. You think Harbs doesn't want our players to be pumped up and celebrating? Did you see him running down the field on Rice's TD vs the Pats?

Harbs scolded Ellerbe because unless he learns some self control that play will be the biggest highlight in his career. Harbs wants Ellerbe to be able to celebrate in the endzone when he pick 6s Ben in AFC championship game rather than in a losing effort against a mediocre team in the preseason.

That is why Harbs was pissed at Ellerbe, not because he's a killjoy or a emotionless head coach, but because he desperately wants Ellerbe to take the game seriously and become a more consistent, smarter player.

P.S I'm not hating on Ellerbe, I love his play when he's not committing costly penalties. He's an athletic, hard-hitting dude with good instincts, probably our most talented ILB besides Ray. But there's a reason why McClain starts and Ellerbe doesn't. I think Harbs was justified in berating Ellerbe for the celebration.

Edit: As for Rex, we'll never know how things would've turned out. He's got a big ego and an even bigger mouth and IMO his abilities as a defensive coordinator have helped cover up some of his deficiencies in management of the team (they're going to be hurting once the salary cap returns assuming a new CBA). Without a doubt the best D-coordinator in the NFL right now, and a better x's and o's type of coach than Harbs will ever be. But as a head coach I'd take Harbs for his composure, consistency, and class. Both are great, but time will tell who is the greatest.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1309179500' post='701278']
Really? Being a "players coach" like Rex doesn't mean tolerating stupid and disrespectful celebrations in a meaningless game (that we LOST) by a player who can barely get on the field for special teams, let alone play next to Ray, because of his boneheaded penalties. This is not like Desean falling into the endzone in the miracle of the meadowlands. This is a talented player who wants to celebrate BEFORE he's even in the endzone in a preseason game. Ellerbe needs to demonstrate to Harbs that he's not an idiot who will cost them field position with his lack of composure. The problem isn't that Ellerbe plays with passion, it's that he's all passion and no brains. You think Harbs doesn't want our players to be pumped up and celebrating? Did you see him running down the field on Rice's TD vs the Pats?

Harbs scolded Ellerbe because unless he learns some self control that play will be the biggest highlight in his career. Harbs wants Ellerbe to be able to celebrate in the endzone when he pick 6s Ben in AFC championship game rather than in a losing effort against a mediocre team in the preseason.

That is why Harbs was pissed at Ellerbe, not because he's a killjoy or a emotionless head coach, but because he desperately wants Ellerbe to take the game seriously and become a more consistent, smarter player.

P.S I'm not hating on Ellerbe, I love his play when he's not committing costly penalties. He's an athletic, hard-hitting dude with good instincts, probably our most talented ILB besides Ray. But there's a reason why McClain starts and Ellerbe doesn't. I think Harbs was justified in berating Ellerbe for the celebration.

Edit: As for Rex, we'll never know how things would've turned out. He's got a big ego and an even bigger mouth and IMO his abilities as a defensive coordinator have helped cover up some of his deficiencies in management of the team (they're going to be hurting once the salary cap returns assuming a new CBA). Without a doubt the best D-coordinator in the NFL right now, and a better x's and o's type of coach than Harbs will ever be. But as a head coach I'd take Harbs for his composure, consistency, and class. Both are great, but time will tell who is the greatest.
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I wish I could "+" that about 10 times. Thanks for taking the time to put up such a well thought out post.

[The Raven]

I'll take Sexy Rexy. He's got a swagger, a confidence, and an attitude. Football is not a nice guy sport. So, why coach it like a nice guy? Rex gets his players to fight for him. I'm not inclined to believe our players play for Harbs. Rex gets the players motivated better, imo. The Jets are very physical, whereas we lost some of our physicality. Physicality, and swagger are two very important aspects of football, and right now, we are missing them.

[BMORElegacy]

I would also have hired Harbaugh all over again. I agree with what most of you have already said so I won't repeat, but I wanted to highlight that he has made our team much more disciplined. Something that I believe has gone unnoticed is that the number of flags we accumulate over a season has dropped significantly since Harbs took the reins. It was sometimes painful to watch games where we'd get more penalty yards than actual yards. Now I think we're one of the least penalized teams in the league. Granted, we still get our share of bad calls at bad times, but I think in the broad scheme of things Harbs' discipline and coaching style has molded this team into an aggressive team between the whistles. If you've ever watched SoundFX on NFLNetwork you know he can get emotional and fights for his players when its prudent, but he has been able to convey a philosophy where the players know in general not to make boneheaded decisions that hurt the team.

I liked Rex's passion, but I feel like his passion would get out of control, and it often gets him in trouble and attracts unneeded attention. I stand by the FO's decision. They knew what they were doing when hiring Harbaugh.

[jus'_crAzy]

I don't know how Mike Tannenbaum (Jets GM) handles things up there, but from an average viewer's perspective it seems like he pretty much lets his coaches do whatever they want, and I believe Rex just takes full advantage of that.

I believe that if Rex was still here as our HC, Ozzie and Mr. Bisciotti wouldn't stand for that crap, and that we'd get the Rex that WE've always known and loved instead of the monster (exaggeration) that came to be in the Meadowlands.

Both are outstanding coaches in their own right, and maybe Rex would've made the transition smoother in the locker room, but it doesn't get any smoother than an 11-5 record (13-6 including playoffs) in your first season.

That being said, I prefer the discipline that Harbs brought to our team. From being one of the most penalized teams in the NFL to being one of the least penalized teams with just ONE offseason is an amazing accomplishment. We win the right way, and when we see Purple and Black holding up the Lombardi, no one can say anything about our teams character and how we went about our business.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1309179500' post='701278']
Really? Being a "players coach" like Rex doesn't mean tolerating stupid and disrespectful celebrations in a meaningless game (that we LOST) by a player who can barely get on the field for special teams, let alone play next to Ray, because of his boneheaded penalties. This is not like Desean falling into the endzone in the miracle of the meadowlands. This is a talented player who wants to celebrate BEFORE he's even in the endzone in a preseason game. Ellerbe needs to demonstrate to Harbs that he's not an idiot who will cost them field position with his lack of composure. The problem isn't that Ellerbe plays with passion, it's that he's all passion and no brains. You think Harbs doesn't want our players to be pumped up and celebrating? Did you see him running down the field on Rice's TD vs the Pats?

Harbs scolded Ellerbe because unless he learns some self control that play will be the biggest highlight in his career. Harbs wants Ellerbe to be able to celebrate in the endzone when he pick 6s Ben in AFC championship game rather than in a losing effort against a mediocre team in the preseason.

That is why Harbs was pissed at Ellerbe, not because he's a killjoy or a emotionless head coach, but because he desperately wants Ellerbe to take the game seriously and become a more consistent, smarter player.

P.S I'm not hating on Ellerbe, I love his play when he's not committing costly penalties. He's an athletic, hard-hitting dude with good instincts, probably our most talented ILB besides Ray. But there's a reason why McClain starts and Ellerbe doesn't. I think Harbs was justified in berating Ellerbe for the celebration.

Edit: As for Rex, we'll never know how things would've turned out. He's got a big ego and an even bigger mouth and IMO his abilities as a defensive coordinator have helped cover up some of his deficiencies in management of the team (they're going to be hurting once the salary cap returns assuming a new CBA). Without a doubt the best D-coordinator in the NFL right now, and a better x's and o's type of coach than Harbs will ever be. But as a head coach I'd take Harbs for his composure, consistency, and class. Both are great, but time will tell who is the greatest.
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First of all If I recall correctly he got the touchdown, so that cost us field position how. It is not like he did anything super crazy. So that touchdown was the first points we got also if I remember correctly on that detail.

The fact that is pre-season is what makes it better especially than your theory of an AFCCG. If for some strange reason he got penalized for doing what players have been doing for years then it happened in a meaningless game not sometime it mattered.

Or what about Harbaugh asking Ray to stop doing his dance at the beginning of games, it ought to be interesting to see how you justify that. Do you think Rex would have ever made such a ridiculous head coach, especially if he hadn't even won a game or contributing anything to the franchise. I doubt it.

the best players should play the fact that McClain worked hard and earned his spot is great, however if Ellerbe is better than play him, dont care if you like him or night. And from tape I have seen indicates that ellerbe is the better player.

And I would like for somebody to give me a logical reason why what so many players have done before without consequence or negative repercussion's is just so disrespectful that he should be berated in front of everybody in a PRESEASON game.

[-Truth-]

I'm not here to join the argument, just the mini-quarrel about Ellerbe. Are we really judging his entire character and demeanor off of a single play? One that occurred in Pre-season? That, to me, is unwarranted. Did Ellerbe recklessly place the ball in front of him, and take his time in crossing the plane? Yes, absolutely. But was he also doing back flips or falling to his knees afterwards? No. He simply jogged to the sideline. I don't recall his behavior to have been a significant issue otherwise, so what we saw was likely an isolated incident and should be treated as such until a similar event occurs. And if a player does decide to showboat, I'd rather him do so in a meaningless contest. I understand Ellerbe for wanting to celebrate his first NFL TD, and I also respect Harbaugh for setting him straight.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1309191576' post='701324']
I'm not here to join the argument, just the mini-quarrel about Ellerbe. Are we really judging his entire character and demeanor off of a single play? One that occurred in Pre-season? That, to me, is unwarranted. Did Ellerbe recklessly place the ball in front of him, and take his time in crossing the plane? Yes, absolutely. But was he also doing back flips or falling to his knees afterwards? No. He simply jogged to the sideline. I don't recall his behavior to have been a significant issue otherwise, so what we saw was likely an isolated incident and should be treated as such until a similar event occurs. And if a player does decide to showboat, I'd rather him do so in a meaningless contest. I understand Ellerbe for wanting to celebrate his first NFL TD, and I also respect Harbaugh for setting him straight.
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Besides all the penalties he seems to get. That "celebration" was a dumb move by him and I was pissed when he did it. There is difference imo between ok celebrations and stupid ones, and the was a reall stupid one imo. Doesn't matter if its preseason or regular season.
I just can't stand Rex anymore, i prefer Harbs style of coaching.

[PurpleReign92]

The new guy approach has worked for the Baltimore Ravens.
While Harbs has been in office we have not missed the playoffs and With Rex we can only speculate.
While Billick was in office it was never consistency and with Rex it may have continued on that pattern...

[-Truth-]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1309194337' post='701331']
Besides all the penalties he seems to get. That "celebration" was a dumb move by him and I was pissed when he did it. There is difference imo between ok celebrations and stupid ones, and the was a reall stupid one imo. Doesn't matter if its preseason or regular season.
I just can't stand Rex anymore, i prefer Harbs style of coaching.
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I'm not exactly sure what penalties are being referred to, but those are likely due to inexperience, not character issues. We can both agree that the celebration was unnecessary. My point is that it's an isolated incident.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309151386' post='701252']


Fourth is that think about the personnel we would still have, granted is Bart Scott, Jim leoanrd and Trevor Pryce the best at their positions know, but I would take them over anybody that plays their position now, except for pryce, I like what redding has done. That also speaks volumes for how much they want to play for that guy.

Fifth is that he is not afraid to make personnel decisions. He brought weapons in to help a rookie QB when he got their. Granted we picked up Q who is one of my favorite players in the league and was before he got here, but Rex brought in speed and I like his aggressive play calling with those weapons. And then with Oz's drafting magic I cant help but think what we could be and how much quicker he would have gotten there.

Sixth is the fact that he gets emotionally invested in his players. He was the main one trying to get Revis back during that hold out, he was the one who threw out suggestions for brokering the deal, he was the one that called him everyday to make sure he still wanted to be a jet. That kind of dedication to the players makes them fight harder for you which I believe his definitely do. He is strict but makes it a point to playe every player on his team at least on time a game, so that right there makes sure that one play that that player gets to make himself shine.

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Being the diplomatic person I am there are some things I agree with and some I dont. We wouldnt have Scott back, he wasnt going to take a paycut and I would have sent hate mail to Rex if he would have let Ray walk.

But I agree Rex takes a genuine personal interest in his players and thats what makes people play hard for him.

[lowrider]

I think a lot of people are a little hypocritical about Rex. If he was a Raven and talking smack then people would have backed him up 100% but because he was a jet, then all the sudden people think he is an idiot.

Personally I think Harbaugh is a better leader on a team. He says all the right things, he has control of the locker room. He handles money situations, and complaints from people very well (such as Reed last year). But I do think that Rex is a better defensive coach. But the problem with Ryan is because he loves his players too much, he builds their egos and says things like "Revis is the best defensive player blah blah blah...". Then when Revis wants a huge contract; then Rex is looking with his pants down saying why are they being so greedy. Harbaugh is a better politician , but I still think Rex is a very good coach. I just think he is a better defensive coordinator than head coach.

[flynismo]

I'll say this.If a player doesn't play hard for himself and his team, then he is not someone I want on my roster in the first place. So, all the talk about guys wanting to play hard for Ryan is irrelevant to me.That is not a knock on Ryan or an attempt to brush off anything. Has absolutely nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the players on our roster.

[T-ray]

No question about it, I would choose Rex Ryan 1000 times before I even gave Harbaugh a decent look. Rex a better coach (no arguments about it, he is) because he gets his players hyped up and thinking they are the best, but when it comes time to put up, the players also do that as well. They would do anything for that guy. Even after a few years, the players we have on D love him still and would play for him anytime, anywhere (ask Reed, and I would even bet Lewis would say the same thing).

And as for class, guys we are the RAVENS. Sure we need class, but come on, what did we win the Super Bowl off of?? Our SWAG and INTENSITY. Harbaugh does not bring that at all. Brings class, but none of hte other two traits. Who in the world benches a guy and screams at him for making a brilliant D play?? Ryan would've put him automatically as a starter, not wasting his talent just for showing off a little.

Ryan without question. End of discussion.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

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Those guys you mentioned were cap/personnel casualties, not followers of Rex. Its was a cause and efect type thing. If we wanted them/could afford them, we would have kept them. They didn't "choose" Rex. [b] AND we whooped the Pats in '09, right?[/b]

I would vote Harbs everyday!!
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And how many times after that??? How many has rex done it ? Rex seems to have gotten it done way more than we have, especially recently, and yeah not sure that was so much a masterful game plan as it was ray rice deciding he hates the pats too.

[FerrariFan87]

I'll let you know after this season. Right now, I'm more than happy with Harbs, but disappointed in our flame outs against the Colts and Big Ben.

[Quoth]

Both head coaches have their strong and weak points just like everybody. For the past few years my biggest gripe has been with the Ravens play calling on offense. I have been crying for years for the Defense and what might have been if we had only had a more aggressive/talented OC.

[T-ray]

And, to add a little more to my original post.... Why did we look outside our organization, seemingly ignoring Rex Ryan's greatness/competitive nature, and hire a secondary coach who no one knew about? That just doesn't make sense to me. If you have someone in your own organization who has helped you immensely, and have an opening for him to move up, why not move that person up?

[Wacko4Zacko]

A grown man calling another man Sexy Rexy....smh

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No question about it, I would choose Rex Ryan 1000 times before I even gave Harbaugh a decent look. Rex a better coach (no arguments about it, he is) because he gets his players hyped up and thinking they are the best, but when it comes time to put up, the players also do that as well. They would do anything for that guy. Even after a few years, the players we have on D love him still and would play for him anytime, anywhere (ask Reed, and I would even bet Lewis would say the same thing).

And as for class, guys we are the RAVENS. Sure we need class, but come on, what did we win the Super Bowl off of?? Our SWAG and INTENSITY. Harbaugh does not bring that at all. Brings class, but none of hte other two traits. Who in the world benches a guy and screams at him for making a brilliant D play?? Ryan would've put him automatically as a starter, not wasting his talent just for showing off a little.

Ryan without question. End of discussion.
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Harbaugh took a team that had a losing year and took them to the playoffs with a rookie qb. I look at the Ravens now and all I see is swag and intensity. I think you are right. Ryan is the better defensive coordinator, I can agree to that. But Harbaugh has showed for 3 years in a row, that he can control a locker room, and constantly win. And I expect this year to be no different.

Being a coach is more than just being on the field. How Ryan handled the Revis contract situation was wreckless, and caused problems for renegotiating his contract. Harbaugh keeps it in house, and limits the damage and media. He is a great leader. Ryan will always be loved by his players. But that doesn't always mean they are a great coach.

Edit: And he screamed at Ellerbee because he celebrated before he got in the endzone in a PRESEASON game, not because he made the good defensive play. No hall of fame professional would have done that in a preseason game.