Tyrod Taylor

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Tyrone Jones' timestamp='1309315946' post='701975']
[b]Flacco haves to bring his a game because I think Tyrod has what it takes to be a starter. [/b]Our receivers have to step up too... A Boldin dropped a game winner in that championship game Flacco threw a nice ball! Im ready 4 some football!!
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what? you can't be serious? smh!

as much as i love Tyrod Taylor's gameplay and style...

[b]JOE FLACCO IS THE RAVENS STARTING QB![/b]

let's just let my man Tyrod be a great backup and do his job when called upon to assist the team in getting a victory INSTEAD of trying to give him Joe's job!

~Mili

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1309316671' post='701982']
what? you can't be serious? smh!

as much as i love Tyrod Taylor's gameplay and style...

[b]JOE FLACCO IS THE RAVENS STARTING QB![/b]

let's just let my man Tyrod be a great backup and do his job when called upon to assist the team in getting a victory INSTEAD of trying to give him Joe's job!

~Mili
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How's your neck feel? You always seem to be shaking your head....

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1309320625' post='702001']
How's your neck feel? You always seem to be shaking your head....
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my neck is just fine because of all of my head shaking i do in this place!

~Mili

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1309055405' post='700927']
Very few have had great success against their top rival within their first few years in the league. This is the year.....we will (need to!!) see vast improvement!
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Finally we agree.......yeaaaaaa

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309058636' post='700946']
I really do believe people forget it was his THIRD YEAR. He has a higher QB rating in his first THREE years than Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees, and guess who else Matt Ryan. the only Qb that is top 10 that he has not outperformed in the first THREE years is who else.... Big Ben.

To say that he may not be our franchise QB, I am just not sure how that can be said with any kind of accuracy. I mena I respect you opinion and you are well entitled to it however, can you give me any empirical proof that he is not the guy other than how he plays ONE team.
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Sorry i thought the proof was in how poorly he plays against the division rivals. I said im not sure, not sure he is or is not. The jury is still out. Right now he is a good QB, but ([b]The[/b] [b]guy[/b]) im not sure. I need to see his game improve alot before that can be determined.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1309751150' post='703516']
Finally we agree.......yeaaaaaa
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This is a momentous occasion!! Happy 4th!

[CapoRocky]

Can you guys say "wildcat?"

[1/28/01]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1309838270' post='703724']
Can you guys say "wildcat?"
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No thanks....we dont need to burn anymore timeouts!

Not a single "wildcat" team or QB has done anything in this league, ever!

[Radinho84]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1309751526' post='703518']
Sorry i thought the proof was in how poorly he plays against the division rivals. I said im not sure, not sure he is or is not. The jury is still out. Right now he is a good QB, but ([b]The[/b] [b]guy[/b]) im not sure. I need to see his game improve alot before that can be determined.
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i think you´re right about that!!! flacco struggled more against division rivals than he shined. i like flacco a lot and think he could be our future. he just has to prove it this year and all the talking should stop right away.

if our coaches have a feeling that our team would be better with another qg, maybe the rookie they sure would play him. but i doubt that....

tyrod taylor had a great college carear that´s for sure and there should be a reason why we drafted him...

let´s see how he translates to the next level. if he is better than flacco, fine. if he is not, we will not have a problem!!!

[CapoRocky]

Why don't we put him into some preseason games and see if he's just a runner (i.e. Smith) or a passer? That is if they have any preseason games this year due to the lockout.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1309897080' post='703858']
[b]Why don't we put him into some preseason games and see if he's just a runner (i.e. Smith) or a passer? [/b] That is if they have any preseason games this year due to the lockout.
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it's obvious that you don't watch ACC Virginia Tech football! Tyrod [b]IS NOT [/b]just a runner! he's athletic! he runs [b]IF[/b] he has to in order to move the chains...as any QB should do. however, he is constantly looking down field for open receivers. there are way too many youtube clips online that prove this.

personally, i love a mobile QB who isn't a stationary target or sittin duck for defenses. and please stop...just stop trying to compare Tyrod Taylor to Troy Smith. he's his own man! they are two (2) different cats! the Ravens have a great player in Tyrod.

~Mili

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1308862705' post='700273']
I really think highly of Tyrod as well. Hopefully he can be a Kolb, Schaub, type in terms of hype. Maybe they'll be a few team to see him perform well in preseason. Maybe we can be in a position to have a #1 or #2 locked up in the last week of the season for a couple years, and Tyrod gets to start.

If that happens maybe the Ravens can shop him for much more then a 3rd rounder.
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IMO if he shows any potential then we Should not shop him around, we should keep him. Im a Flacco fan but if Flacco isnt producing and Smith is showing skill in preseason then he should go in for a game or two. And im not saying the first or second game of the regular season, im saying if Flacco isnt doing anything in game 4 or so then put him in for the second half and see what he can do.

BUT and thats a big but, i dont think that will happen because harbs. is stubborn like billick. I see that now because of the whole Cam thing. Harbs. is a coach and should do what best for the Team and keeping Cam was not what was best for the Team imo. It was for a personal reason and stubborness. I think Harbs. felt underminded by the whole sit. imo. He has this sink or swim mentality.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='B_MORE5255' timestamp='1309203219' post='701400']
the guy has some skills... but so did jamarcus russell "in college"... it all depends on how he prepares and uses what is around him and takes advantage of it
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Also it really does matter on the team and how that QB meshes with the team, Plus timing. I think alot of qbs that didnt last in the NFL is because of the team they were on. Just look at Kurt Warner and how well he played in st. louis. Then look at how he played when he went to the Giants, everyone one forgot about him until he went in for Matt Leinart who was playing horrible (when did Matt play well??? lolol) in the game that was actually against us. I remember Warner going in and taking control of that team, even though they did end up losing against us but they started putting points on the board. But they got the last laugh when they went to the superbowl.

I think its funny that the RAVENS are QB killers and Career starters, same thing happened for
Big Ben when we took Tommy Maddox out of the game (i think we broke his finger,hand or hurt his shoulder). Just think if we didnt injury him, Big Ben might of never got a chance and blow up the way he did. To me its all about timing , meshing and the team your on.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1309931026' post='704033']
IMO if he shows any potential then we Should not shop him around, we should keep him. Im a Flacco fan but if Flacco isnt producing and Smith is showing skill in preseason then he should go in for a game or two. And im not saying the first or second game of the regular season, im saying if Flacco isnt doing anything in game 4 or so then put him in for the second half and see what he can do.

BUT and thats a big but, i dont think that will happen because harbs. is stubborn like billick. I see that now because of the whole Cam thing. Harbs. is a coach and should do what best for the Team and keeping Cam was not what was best for the Team imo. It was for a personal reason and stubborness. I think Harbs. felt underminded by the whole sit. imo. He has this sink or swim mentality.
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Well, thank goodness Flacco has shown amazing progression over his first 3 years, so we wont have to put "Smith" in for a game or two, as you stated.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1309751526' post='703518']
Sorry i thought the proof was in how poorly he plays against the division rivals. I said im not sure, not sure he is or is not. The jury is still out. Right now he is a good QB, but ([b]The[/b] [b]guy[/b]) im not sure. I need to see his game improve alot before that can be determined.
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Yes because winning 6 games is something to strive for. No thanks Ill take a guy who has the Best QB average in his first 3 years as a full time starter than anyone not named Ben.

The Jury is still out on a guy who was only second to Tom Brady after week 4. Your jury must have been at the OJ trial.lol. So to win over fans he has to be manning, brady, rivers, brees, ben, because those are the only ones who clearly out performed him. I think expectations need to be curbed considering every year he has gotten better but is still just a 4th year qb, who had no time to sit and learn he was the starter from day 1.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309961195' post='704062']
Yes because winning 6 games is something to strive for. No thanks Ill take a guy who has the Best QB average in his first 3 years as a full time starter than anyone not named Ben.

The Jury is still out on a guy who was only second to Tom Brady after week 4. Your jury must have been at the OJ trial.lol. So to win over fans he has to be manning, brady, rivers, brees, ben, because those are the only ones who clearly out performed him. I think expectations need to be curbed considering every year he has gotten better but is still just a 4th year qb, who had no time to sit and learn he was the starter from day 1.
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Ha, well said. There are those select few on these boards that will hate on Flacco just to hate.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1309931026' post='704033']
IMO if he shows any potential then we Should not shop him around, we should keep him. Im a Flacco fan but if Flacco isnt producing and Smith is showing skill in preseason then he should go in for a game or two. And im not saying the first or second game of the regular season, im saying if Flacco isnt doing anything in game 4 or so then put him in for the second half and see what he can do.

BUT and thats a big but, i dont think that will happen because harbs. is stubborn like billick. I see that now because of the whole Cam thing. Harbs. is a coach and should do what best for the Team and keeping Cam was not what was best for the Team imo. It was for a personal reason and stubborness. I think Harbs. felt underminded by the whole sit. imo. He has this sink or swim mentality.
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Ok 2 things.

First off, Flacco hasn't shown any signs of not playing well for a long stretch of games. Could it happen? OF course, however Flacco has proven to be our franchise QB and the only thing he's missing is winning a Super Bowl, which will come imo.

If Tyrod plays well, there is no doubt that he'll eventually want to start some where, because Flacco will not be pulled just for a couple bad performances. There is no way any team will be looking to bring Tyrod Taylor onto their team within his first 2 seasons in the NFL. Tyrod will have to play well in limited opportunities for at least 3 years before any interest will be put into him. 3 years from now Flacco will be in his 6th season and probably viewed as one of the top QBs in the NFL. I like Tyrod, but without injury there's noway he starts over Flacco. imo. So once he garners that heavy interest, the Ravens will have the option of allowing Taylor to walk in Free Agency or get something in return for him. What do you think they'd do?

Secondly.......In case you haven't noticed, the NFL is in a lockout and there will only be training camp for the players to get ready for the season. With a team that has huge Super Bowl aspirations and a really great chance of getting there, do you really want to bring in a new OC that will implement a brand new system and would have had no contact with his players?

Now instead of the offense being able to hit the ground running once the lockout is over, Flacco, Boldin, Rice, Mason, the Oline and everyone would have to learn a new offense system. That would put the entire offense in the same boat as the rookies we brought in. Do you think Flacco would have been able to teach the rookies the ins and outs of the offense if it was new to him as well?

Bringing in a new OC would have set the Ravens back tremendously, then the Steelers being up first wouldn't have been a good look for the Ravens. That's not even to mention the fact that Cam Cameron isn't nearly as bad as some of you guys make him out to be.

All I can say is I'm glad the decision makers for the Ravens don't share the same thought patterns of you and some others, because we'd be in bad shape. Really bad shape.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1309961195' post='704062']
Yes because winning 6 games is something to strive for. No thanks Ill take a guy who has the Best QB average in his first 3 years as a full time starter than anyone not named Ben.

The Jury is still out on a guy who was only second to Tom Brady after week 4. Your jury must have been at the OJ trial.lol. So to win over fans he has to be manning, brady, rivers, brees, ben, because those are the only ones who clearly out performed him. I think expectations need to be curbed considering every year he has gotten better but is still just a 4th year qb, who had no time to sit and learn he was the starter from day 1.
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Listen those quarterbacks you named are good QB's sure. Flacco was not better than Vick last year and he was better than every Qb on that list not named Brady but who's watching right. (Anyway).. Flacco has some maturing to do before we hand over the keys to the franchise. That's all we are saying. We are getting him what he needs to be successful in this league, we just want to see that translate into wins against our division rivals. Flacco has help from one of the best defenses in football, you can add Ben to that list as well, but Ben finds a way to beat the Ravens. cmon...man. We play to win the game. Its as easy as that.

[757RavensFan]

If any of you are in the Hampton Roads area, Tyrod is having a celebrity bball game at Hampton High School today at 5:30.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1310189951' post='705225']
Listen those quarterbacks you named are good QB's sure. Flacco was not better than Vick last year and he was better than every Qb on that list not named Brady but who's watching right. (Anyway).. Flacco has some maturing to do before we hand over the keys to the franchise. That's all we are saying. We are getting him what he needs to be successful in this league, we just want to see that translate into wins against our division rivals. Flacco has help from one of the best defenses in football, you can add Ben to that list as well, but Ben finds a way to beat the Ravens. cmon...man. We play to win the game. Its as easy as that.
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Rivers was better than Vick last year as well......and this is coming from a guy that despises Rivers.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1310215046' post='705276']
Rivers was better than Vick last year as well......and this is coming from a guy that despises Rivers.
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As a pure passer, Rivers was better. Vick was much more of a playmaker with his feet as well as with his arm, although Rivers did a great job working with the few WRs he had at his disposal.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1310189951' post='705225'] We play to win the game. Its as easy as that.
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And the Ravens won 13 of them last year. C'mon indeed.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' timestamp='1310218320' post='705280']
And the Ravens won 13 of them last year. C'mon indeed.
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Right now we are a good regular season team, that's in search of a quarterback that can win games on his own. I love Flacco we just don't need to rush into the whole he's our guy thing. The Ravens won 13 games and not one of the mattered. Get to the playoffs and lose against a team that you see two times in the regular season. (Ridiculous)

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1310215433' post='705278']
As a pure passer, Rivers was better. Vick was much more of a playmaker with his feet as well as with his arm, although Rivers did a great job working with the few WRs he had at his disposal.
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I take nothing from River's he had a great year in terms of yardage and working with what he has. But it almost sounds like rushing from the quarterback position is not considered when talking about stats. If i have a QB that throws for over three thousand yards 21 touchdowns 6 picks and rushes for 676 and nine more touchdowns. First i would think he played the whole year, the man missed (4 games). Wierd that this is not considered in terms of who is better.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1310225241' post='705308']
I take nothing from River's he had a great year in terms of yardage and working with what he has. But it almost sounds like rushing from the quarterback position is not considered when talking about stats. If i have a QB that throws for over three thousand yards 21 touchdowns 6 picks and rushes for 676 and nine more touchdowns. First i would think he played the whole year, the man missed (4 games). Wierd that this is not considered in terms of who is better.
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I guess when I view success and the QB position as a whole, I look more for the "pure passer", seeing as the mobile QB has really never done anything that amounts to success in this league....ever!

And just to clarify again, the Roethlibergers, Youngs (Steve, not that horrid Vince guy) and Brees' of the game do not fall into the category that Vick does. Now, IF he follows up with another performance like last year will a full 16 game stat line of 3,500 yds/25+ tds/ 8- ints plus his typical 500+ rushing yards/6+ tds then there's no denying it. Before last season, he was never the QB that we all saw playing last year.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1310237582' post='705397']
I guess when I view success and the QB position as a whole, I look more for the "pure passer", seeing as the mobile QB has really never done anything that amounts to success in this league....ever!

And just to clarify again, the Roethlibergers, Youngs (Steve, not that horrid Vince guy) and Brees' of the game do not fall into the category that Vick does. Now, IF he follows up with another performance like last year will a full 16 game stat line of 3,500 yds/25+ tds/ 8- ints plus his typical 500+ rushing yards/6+ tds then there's no denying it. Before last season, he was never the QB that we all saw playing last year.
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Wow your hate of the scrambling Qb goes deeper than the fact that they use their legs. Seems like we have a difference of opinion, But lets for the sake of this argument point out facts. (1.) Michael Vick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. Yes stronger than every QB you named and more. (2.) Michael Vick is the fastest starting Qb in the league. (3.) Vick may be the most exciting player to watch since Barry Sanders the( all time best to ever play the game.) So stats aren't everything but it is more than obvious that he is better than or as good as any pocket passing QB in this league. Hate it or love it......its still true.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' ]The Jury is still out on a guy who was only second to Tom Brady after week 4.  Your jury must have been at the OJ trial.[/quote]


it's moments like these that make me proud to be a Ravens fan.

*wipes tear from eye*d

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1310314721' post='705670']
Wow your hate of the scrambling Qb goes deeper than the fact that they use their legs. Seems like we have a difference of opinion, But lets for the sake of this argument point out facts. (1.) Michael Vick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. Yes stronger than every QB you named and more. (2.) Michael Vick is the fastest starting Qb in the league. (3.) Vick may be the most exciting player to watch since Barry Sanders the( all time best to ever play the game.) So stats aren't everything but it is more than obvious that he is better than or as good as any pocket passing QB in this league. Hate it or love it......its still true.
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I don't hate the scrambling QB (my definition), I am just sick of hearing people talk about the "Wild Cat" talk and how it revolutionized the game (not saying you have said that). The fact remains that the true scrambling QB has never won the SB and the pocket passer reigns supreme!

As for everything you have said about Vick, that's all great and I cannot deny any of it, but has he ever accomplished anything worth mentioning as the leader of his NFL team? No! Do I enjoy watching him? Absolutely!

[flynismo]

By the way, he was second to Brady after week 2, not week 4

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1310224277' post='705302']
The Ravens won 13 games and not one of the mattered.
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it all mattered, just ask Ray....