Everything To Do With Ravens 2011 CBs

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My cornerback Depth Chart for 2011:
Jimmy Smith Josh Wilson
Chris Carr Lardarious Webb
F. Washington (or Namdi) Cary Williams
Chycie Brown on the Practiice Squad.

[flynismo]

Whoever Namdi is, he must suck if he's 5th on the depth chart

[1/28/01]

okay, I'll do this again

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

cutting foxworth and washington only does any good if you release mcgahee. If we did sign Aso we would be absolutely ridiculous on defense if King Serg can come back. the pass rush with Aso locking everybody down and jimmy learning from a guy who as the exact same skill set as far as physical tools, except for the left handed jam Aso does off the which is the best in the league. The reason having Aso would be amazing would be because we could finally get over the steelers hump. Mike Wallace will be forgotten, Hines will be severely outmatched physically against jimmy, and then Wilson on emanuel sanders, that would be nowhere to pass except for heath miller and a fourth WR. That being said if we played man on three of them or even four because webb on randle el or brown I like his chances so that would leave seven to get after big ben minus reed to play center field so that would be crazy. ben would constantly be running for his life with nowhere to throw. That is an amazing fantasy but I am afraid that may be all that it is in reality. Realistically though I am a little apprehensive about putting a rookie on the best receivers in the game. But that being said I am more than satisfied with our secondary as of now.

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[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308770064' post='699791']
cutting foxworth and washington only does any good if you release mcgahee. If we did sign Aso we would be absolutely ridiculous on defense if King Serg can come back. the pass rush with Aso locking everybody down and jimmy learning from a guy who as the exact same skill set as far as physical tools, except for the left handed jam Aso does off the which is the best in the league. The reason having Aso would be amazing would be because we could finally get over the steelers hump. Mike Wallace will be forgotten, Hines will be severely outmatched physically against jimmy, and then Wilson on emanuel sanders, that would be nowhere to pass except for heath miller and a fourth WR. That being said if we played man on three of them or even four because webb on randle el or brown I like his chances so that would leave seven to get after big ben minus reed to play center field so that would be crazy. ben would constantly be running for his life with nowhere to throw. That is an amazing fantasy but I am afraid that may be all that it is in reality. Realistically though I am a little apprehensive about putting a rookie on the best receivers in the game. But that being said I am more than satisfied with our secondary as of now.
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Start Webb each game against Pittsburgh and LOCK him to Wallace.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1308775964' post='699845']
Start Webb each game against Pittsburgh and LOCK him to Wallace.
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no thanks, he did a great job that ONE but I am putting Aso on the biggest threat because he does a great job EVERY time.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308779303' post='699871']
no thanks, he did a great job that ONE but I am putting Aso on the biggest threat because he does a great job EVERY time.
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Really? Aso?

[lowrider]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1308780044' post='699880']
Really? Aso?
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Imagine how much Nnamdi would be talked about if we didn't draft Jimmy Smith.....Thats the kind of stuff that could keep you up at night

[1/28/01]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1308782050' post='699895']
Imagine how much Nnamdi would be talked about if we didn't draft Jimmy Smith.....Thats the kind of stuff that could keep you up at night
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I know, right? Its actually quite humorous!

[Blex64]

Washington's going to be cut regardless, I'd say cut Foxworth if we think we have a legitimate shot at getting Nnamdi. Resigning Wilson should be a top priority, and I'd really really like to see Carr back as well, although if we get Aso that's probably not likely. 7 CB's seems like a lot to me, but in an ideal world I'd like to see:

Asomugha
Wilson
Smith
Carr
Webb
Williams
Brown

[wayne]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308779303' post='699871']
no thanks, he did a great job that ONE but I am putting Aso on the biggest threat because he does a great job EVERY time.
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I don't know if I would waste putting Aso on a WR that's strictly going deep most of the time, I would just put Webb or another one of our options on him. I would rather Aso take Ward completely out the game with whatever safety playing that side playing more in the box rather he is blitzing, free lancing, etc..... Roll coverage the opposite side of Aso and have Webb or Foxworth/ Wilson sticking Wallace with a safety lurking over the top. If we blitzing, have Webb get as physical as possible with Wallace with Aso jamming Ward and we have the safety over the type of Wallace and by that time pressure should be getting in.

[bdravens]

I don't understand why the growing opinion is that we should cut Foxworth. He developed into a really good corner at the end of '09. Guess his injury erased that in some peoples minds?

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1308780044' post='699880']
Really? Aso?
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If you read the post man, I said that it was a fantasy to get him and that I was satisfied with our current group. I don't think we will get Aso just merely threw out a perfect world scenario. Although I am not sure why people are so closed to the idea.

[Ravens Lover]

I would take Wilson over Carr at this point, not saying Carr isnt good he was a nice surprise last year but if we need to resign one of the free agents I would put Carr odd man out. Foxworth is definitely coming along though and I think has gteat potential to be a very good CB in the NFL. I put yes I do think the Ravens should consider Asumghua but I would only get him if we lose Wilson we have far greater needs than Corner right now, I would love to have him but there are better places to spend our money.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1308791875' post='699945']
I don't understand why the growing opinion is that we should cut Foxworth. He developed into a really good corner at the end of '09. Guess his injury erased that in some peoples minds?
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No but people who remember him coming on at the end seem to forget his terrible play before that. And most analysts in the league and even coaches say it isn't what have you done for me in the past but what you have done for me lately.

[bdravens]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308797815' post='699983']
No but people who remember him coming on at the end seem to forget his terrible play before that. And most analysts in the league and even coaches say it isn't what have you done for me in the past but what you have done for me lately.
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Wait. Wouldn't his bad play be in 'the past', and his good play be in 'the lately'...? Since, as you said, his terrible play was "before that"?

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1308799425' post='699992']
Wait. Wouldn't his bad play be in 'the past', and his good play be in 'the lately'...? Since, as you said, his terrible play was "before that"?
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No lately would be the entire year he sat out last year. The last time he contributed to this team was well over a year ago not exactly breaking new is it?

[bdravens]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308799510' post='699993']
No lately would be the entire year he sat out last year. The last time he contributed to this team was well over a year ago not exactly breaking new is it?
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I didn't know what you meant. I found it encouraging that he felt he was healthy, even during the playoffs. So, why would people jump the gun to cut him, even though he was out this year, after he finished strong. People come back from his injuries, Webb being one prime example on our team.

[1/28/01]

The injury wasn't "what have you done for me lately". The "closing 2009 strong" is.

Injuries happen all the time, and as bd has pointed out, they recover all time as well.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1308800815' post='700001']
The injury wasn't "what have you done for me lately". The "closing 2009 strong" is.

Injuries happen all the time, and as bd has pointed out, they recover all time as well.
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And injuries contribute to the team how. i can think of a lot of ways it prevents you from doing so. just because he is injured does not mean he has done something lately. When reed was on the pup he was not getting us picks, when he came back he was it is as simple as that. Lately Reed led the league in Int's. Recently foxworth has been watching, not sure how the end of 2009 is closer in a time gape then all of 2010.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1308802818' post='700019']
And injuries contribute to the team how. i can think of a lot of ways it prevents you from doing so. just because he is injured does not mean he has done something lately. When reed was on the pup he was not getting us picks, when he came back he was it is as simple as that. Lately Reed led the league in Int's. Recently foxworth has been watching, not sure how the end of 2009 is closer in a time gape then all of 2010.
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You can't "do" anything when you happen to be injured....we're arguing over tomatoe/tomato really.

[flynismo]

Doesn't it go both ways? If he's not on the field, he's not hurting the team with poor play either. We need Foxworth. He is an excellent young player.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1308804290' post='700030']
Doesn't it go both ways? If he's not on the field, he's not hurting the team with poor play either. We need Foxworth. He is an excellent young player.
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Well of course it reciprocates, however just because you have not played poorly really means you are irrelevant anyway. And this all started because I said the only way to get rid of Aso was to get rid of Foxy. And I would love for him to come back and play like he is a man possesed, but so far unimpressed. There is nobody on this team I hate enough to wish my team does bad just to prove a point, not even cam.

[Blex64]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1308804290' post='700030']
Doesn't it go both ways? If he's not on the field, he's not hurting the team with poor play either. We need Foxworth. He is an excellent young player.
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I agree for the most part.

The problem is, Foxworth has a rather large contract. I fully support keeping him around...unless we get Nnamdi. I feel Carr and Wilson are both better then Foxy, although if Carr asked for more money then he did I'd let him go and keep Fox. I feel Wilson is a step up from both of them though.

I'm not forgetting about Foxworth, and I think our CB corps will likely include him next year. Asomugha is a pipe dream, but what I posted was what I hoped for, not with what I thought was realistic.

[flynismo]

Not surprisingly, I'm the only one who voted to not keep Wilson or Carr (although I like both of them)

[Blex64]

Why not keep either?

[display name]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1308809621' post='700043']
Why not keep either?
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Remember, both is also an option, but we'd have to cut Foxworth and maybe one or two others.

[JO_75]

Our Depth at Corner is good right now... but with the CBA reverting everyone with 4 years experience this changes everything. Wilson is now a URFA and with the drafting of Jimmy Smith, and Foxworth coming back I don't know if Wilson would want to come back especially if he can start somewhere else. I would like to see us re-sign Wilson and put Foxworth on the PUP List to begin the year with Smith and Wilson being our starting corners against Pittsburgh.

If it was up to me this would be our CB Depth Chart heading into Week 1 against Pittsburgh:

1. Jimmy Smith
2. Josh Wilson
3. Ladarius Webb
4. Chris Carr
5. Foxworth*

* PUP List to begin Season

[Blex64]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1308839103' post='700084']
Remember, both is also an option, but we'd have to cut Foxworth and maybe one or two others.
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I'm aware, I voted to bring both back. I was responding to fly saying he doesn't want either one of them.


[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1309109026' post='701055']
Our Depth at Corner is good right now... but with the CBA reverting everyone with 4 years experience this changes everything. Wilson is now a URFA and with the drafting of Jimmy Smith, and Foxworth coming back I don't know if Wilson would want to come back especially if he can start somewhere else. I would like to see us re-sign Wilson and put Foxworth on the PUP List to begin the year with Smith and Wilson being our starting corners against Pittsburgh.

If it was up to me this would be our CB Depth Chart heading into Week 1 against Pittsburgh:

1. Jimmy Smith
2. Josh Wilson
3. Ladarius Webb
4. Chris Carr
5. Foxworth*

* PUP List to begin Season
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Why wouldn't Wilson want to come back? Why isn't Carr ahead of Webb? Why is Smith ahead of everyone without seeing a single down of football? Why is Foxworth on the PUP list if he's healthy?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1309109026' post='701055']
Our Depth at Corner is good right now... but with the CBA reverting everyone with 4 years experience this changes everything. Wilson is now a URFA and with the drafting of Jimmy Smith, and Foxworth coming back I don't know if Wilson would want to come back especially if he can start somewhere else. I would like to see us re-sign Wilson and put Foxworth on the PUP List to begin the year with Smith and Wilson being our starting corners against Pittsburgh.

If it was up to me this would be our CB Depth Chart heading into Week 1 against Pittsburgh:

1. Jimmy Smith
2. Josh Wilson
3. Ladarius Webb
4. Chris Carr
5. Foxworth*

* PUP List to begin Season
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What with Foxworth stating publicly a couple of weeks back that he could play "right now", I definitely don't see him being put on the PUP. That being said, I think replacing Wilson with Foxworth in that list would be my depth chart. As much as I don't like it, I doubt Wilson's coming back.