Tandon Doss

[Ravensfan23]

The Big Ten Network is showing a Replay of the Indiana vs Michigan game from 2010 today at 11am. I know it doesn't mean anything for what he'll do with the Ravens. But for those that haven't seen Doss play before, here's a opportunity.

Watching him in a actual game is much better then youtube highlights imo. So if you get the chance, watch the game and then come back and share your thoughts about Doss.

[grape drank]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1308407369' post='698318']
The Big Ten Network is showing a Replay of the Indiana vs Michigan game from 2010 today at 11am. I know it doesn't mean anything for what he'll do with the Ravens. But for those that haven't seen Doss play before, here's a opportunity.

Watching him in a actual game is much better then youtube highlights imo. So if you get the chance, watch the game and then come back and share your thoughts about Doss.
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Tandon's highlights from that game is already on youtube.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRxg84LkF8"]My link[/url]

[D-Rey]

The only bad thing is that Michigan had the worst defense in the nation, it was horrid.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1308411776' post='698335']
Tandon's highlights from that game is already on youtube.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRxg84LkF8"]My link[/url]
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Yeah, he said that.....he posted so people could see it "live" and not grouped into a series of highlights.

[Ravensfan23]

Watching that game, the first thing that stood out is just how versatile Doss is. From Kick returns, punt returns, wildcat, end arounds, in the slot and outside, Indiana used him all over the field. He appeared to play much smaller then his 6'3" 200 listing would suggest. In most cases that a bad thing, but in this case, it was good.

Doss was in and out of his breaks quickly and displayed quick feet with really strong hands. Most of his catches were underneath the defense so he really didn't run many routes, however he did showcase his ability to be a dangerous weapon in the open field.

Translating what I saw, into what his capabilities in the Ravens offense might be, Doss should have much success as that possession type WR/run after the catch guy, and could quickly become one of Flacco's favorite targets. I don't see Doss getting much opportunities this season, because he'll ultimately be used in the same fashion as Boldin and even Mason. So once Mason is gone next season, Doss' chances will increase.

[grape drank]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1308420202' post='698354']
Yeah, he said that.....he posted so people could see it "live" and not grouped into a series of highlights.
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well why would you want to see the plays where he's not involved in the play? Unless you're interested in seeing how well he blocks on run plays and such.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1308423313' post='698363']
well why would you want to see the plays where he's not involved in the play? Unless you're interested in seeing how well he blocks on run plays and such.
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Thats the point of watching a full game. To get a feel for the guy. Highlights on youtube don't show you the moments that shape a game, or even a player. Everybody looks great on highlight videos.

Youtube doesn't show you that Doss was so dangerous in the return game that Michigan kicked away from him and risked a short field in a tight game.

Youtube doesn't show plays that other players made as a result of the defense showing Doss extra attention.

Youtube doesn't show how Doss came through with a huge 4th down catch, late in the forth quarter that allowed the game tying drive to stay alive.

Youtube is cool when you've either, never heard of a player before and want to check him out, can't see the actual game, or just craving football so much that you need highlights to get you through.

Somebody could make a highlight reel of Housh from 2010 and it'd make you think he had a great season. Why because it wouldn't show you everything that happened, just the good things.

[POE]

According to the 1winningdrive twitter feeds Tandon is doing pretty well out there. The big emphasis is on his great hands. That was his big upside coming out of college as well but is he a good route runner, and does he have the ability to create separation?

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1308422478' post='698360']
Watching that game, the first thing that stood out is just how versatile Doss is. From Kick returns, punt returns, wildcat, [b]end arounds[/b], in the slot and outside, Indiana used him all over the field. He appeared to play much smaller then his 6'3" 200 listing would suggest. In most cases that a bad thing, but in this case, it was good.

Doss was in and out of his breaks quickly and displayed quick feet with really strong hands. Most of his catches were underneath the defense so he really didn't run many routes, however he did showcase his ability to be a dangerous weapon in the open field.

Translating what I saw, into what his capabilities in the Ravens offense might be, Doss should have much success as that possession type WR/run after the catch guy, and could quickly become one of Flacco's favorite targets. I don't see Doss getting much opportunities this season, because he'll ultimately be used in the same fashion as Boldin and even Mason. So once Mason is gone next season, Doss' chances will increase.
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End arounds? Shhh dont say that, dont let Cam hear you

[Ed_Reed20]

1WinningDrive Twitter:

[i]Harbaugh on rookie WR Tandon Doss: "He has got great hands and he has great, what I call, RAC [run after catch] transition."[/i]

[ellicottraven]

Doss is a very reliable receiver who will be a stand out in Baltimore for many years to come!

[AwakenTheDemon]

I liked the Doss pick better than the Torrey pick, incredible value for an arguable 2nd round talent. When all is said in done, I think he'll end up with the better career. I'd love to look back on this draft and be able to say we drafted our future receiving duo.

[Ravenskid2085]

I really like what I see from Doss highlight wise. Plus I love his hands. All the great wide receivers could catch, which seems like it should be a given at the position, but then you see the difference between great receivers and Braylon Edwards type guys.
I've got really high hopes for Tandon, hopefully him and Torrey blossom into a great tandem here.

AND in a totally unrelated note, Tandon Doss and I share the same birthday.
IT'S LIKE HE WAS MEANT TO PLAY FOR MY FAVORITE TEAM

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Ravenskid2085' timestamp='1312248130' post='731377']
I really like what I see from Doss highlight wise. Plus I love his hands. All the great wide receivers could catch, which seems like it should be a given at the position, but then you see the difference between great receivers and Braylon Edwards type guys.
I've got really high hopes for Tandon, hopefully him and Torrey blossom into a great tandem here.

AND in a totally unrelated note, Tandon Doss and I share the same birthday.
IT'S LIKE HE WAS MEANT TO PLAY FOR MY FAVORITE TEAM
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If Doss didn't have the injuries, than he would of been a late first rounder hands down. We got a bunch of steals in the draft, J.Smith, T.Smith, J. Reid, T. Doss, the land Shark, and Tyrod Taylor. Wow it's like it is almost every year. I also heard that Doss doesn't have great speed, but has good 4.5 speed like Dez Bryant, so he is fast. I imagin Doss could be like Larry Fitzgerald, good hands and solid speed.

[Purple Punishment]

I'd rather Tandon Doss be like Tandon Doss. Its getting old saying our players can be like this guy and that guy. News Flash, they never turn into the superstar we compare them to. Not even close.

[Yurtle]

He reminds me of a young TJ Houshmandzadeh. And I mean that as a compliment.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1312243769' post='731293']
I liked the Doss pick better than the Torrey pick, incredible value for an arguable 2nd round talent. When all is said in done, I think he'll end up with the better career. I'd love to look back on this draft and be able to say we drafted our future receiving duo.
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One year after drafting our future TE duo.

I really think that Doss and Pitta will become the new Mason and Heap. Maybe not from a production standpoint, as we now have more then 2 guys who can produce in the pass game. But they will be very popular target for Flacco on 3rd downs.

Both of those guys are really strong pass catches and do a great job of finding soft spots in the zone defense(in college).

[ravens rule]

Dang! our offense is young now.

[Militant X 1]

Doss will do well!

~Mili

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1312253111' post='731456']
He reminds me of a young TJ Houshmandzadeh. And I mean that as a compliment.
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That was my thought when I first saw him. I think Tandon is a little bigger and maybe has a higher ceiling too.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1312255101' post='731489']
Dang! our offense is young now.
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I'm excited about it. I love Mason and Heap, and hate to see them go, but I know it would have happened next year anyway. So lets get it.

I can't wait to see how Joe takes control of this offense. Leach and Rice will open things up for the pass. The pass will set up the run. Potentially teams won't just be able to load up the box to stop our run and set on 1 or 2 WRs to shut our offense down.

Flacco is really gonna take a huge step this year, and I honestly believe he'll start to separate himself from the likes of Ryan and Freeman.

I can't wait to hear how Jamie Dukes will give all the credit for Joe's success to the addition of Vonta Leach. Then go on to say, even though Matt Ryan didn't have a huge spike in his number and his team missed the playoffs, he's still much better the Flacco.

[flynismo]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1312233066' post='731072']<br />According to the 1winningdrive twitter feeds Tandon is doing pretty well out there. The big emphasis is on his great hands. That was his big upside coming out of college as well but is he a good route runner, and does he have the ability to create separation?<br />[/quote]


i haven't seen any of the practices, but for what its worth, in college he made good cuts in his routes and can also go up and get a ball..he is very polished for such a young guy.
He'll outplay Torrey right away, no doubt in my mind; but long term remains to be seen.

[Perfekt]

Im not hating on T. Smith but Doss is the better WR option at the momment. I said durning the draft an im riding with him like i did with Webb that he will be the best WR we ever drafted. The best part was our QB drafted him big props to Flacco.

[CapoRocky]

Watching that game, the first thing that stood out is just how versatile Doss is. From Kick returns, punt returns, wildcat..please don't ever say end around with Cam calling the plays.

[scrock]

Doss will make an impact this year, he's got great hands and he can run good routes, he sounds like a younger Derrick Mason.

I'm interested to see David Reed back healthy, he's a playmaker imo, the kid can be special

[Kwothdaraven]

I have a feeling doss is going to outperform torrey

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1312334357' post='732716']
I have a feeling doss is going to outperform torrey
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Not knocking your opinion, but would it really matter to you?

Also what is outperforming. If Doss catches 50 balls at 11.0 yards per catch, and Smith catches only 35 balls at 16.4 yards per catch, who had the better year?

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1312334946' post='732730']
Not knocking your opinion, but would it really matter to you?

Also what is outperforming. If Doss catches 50 balls at 11.0 yards per catch, and Smith catches only 35 balls at 16.4 yards per catch, who had the better year?
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in that scenario Torrey would outgain Doss by 27.5 yards...i'd say Doss would probably gain us more first downs...haha, both would do well but im not trying to put any numbers on it

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1312334946' post='732730']
Not knocking your opinion, but would it really matter to you?

Also what is outperforming. If Doss catches 50 balls at 11.0 yards per catch, and Smith catches only 35 balls at 16.4 yards per catch, who had the better year?
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It depends, were they 3rd down conversions, were they catches that kept drives alive in the 4th quarter to take the lead, were they td's, were they against the steelers when we had the lead and needed to keep drives alive? To me numbers are only half the story. Kelley washington 2 years ago, didnt have great numbers, but you could almost BANK on him converting a 3rd down. To me thats priceless.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='organizedchaos007' timestamp='1312335215' post='732738']
It depends, were they 3rd down conversions, were they catches that kept drives alive in the 4th quarter to take the lead, were they td's, were they against the steelers when we had the lead and needed to keep drives alive? To me numbers are only half the story. Kelley washington 2 years ago, didnt have great numbers, but you could almost BANK on him converting a 3rd down. To me thats priceless.
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That's my whole point. I think when people say someone will outperform another person they mainly look at catches and yards.

But so much more goes into it. That's why I asked the questions I did. Because Doss could catch a lot of balls for us this year, and people would say how he outperformed Smith, but if Torrey's speed and big play ability is the reason so much space was created for Doss, how is the credit split up between the 2?

And vice versa. If Doss starts destroying people underneath almost like a Wes Welker type and Smith benefits down field because of it, how much credit do you give Doss.

I just really don't think it matters to the Ravens which one of those guys put up the numbers. I think they were drafted as a tandem, as was Dickson and Pitta.

Smith and Doss compliment each other well at WR, as does Dickson and Pitta at TE. But I think most people will look at Smith and Dickson, and say they should out perform Doss and Pitta respectively because they were higher picks.

I don't think that's the case and that's one of the main reasons why I think the Ravens offense is in store for some great things. Diversity.