Lamarr Woodley Quote

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1307730083' post='695407']
Reality Check for Woodley:

1. [b]If [/b]Cam doesn't get conservative and keeps scoring points, Ravens beat the Steelers in the Divisional Round and host the AFC Title Game.[/quote]

"IF?" "IF" a lot of things buddy.

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1307730083' post='695407']2. Joe Flacco has done something Ben can NEVER say, Joe has led the Ravens to the Playoffs in every year he has been in the NFL, and it will be 4 straight this season.[/quote]

In his first five years in the NFL, no QB in history has won more games than Ben Roethilisberger. He's also gotten us to the SB (XL) and won SB XLIII where our defense failed us in the 4th quarter.

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1307730083' post='695407']3. If the Steelers let Ike Taylor go, it won't matter what he does in Week 1 because their secondary be will be even more vulnerable and it could get worst than what Tom Brady & Aaron Rodgers did to the Steelers defense last year.[/quote]

There's that "if" again. It's really a meaningless point.

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1307730083' post='695407']4. To think Ben has led the Steelers to the Super Bowl is an under statement, it all has been the Steelers defense so that's another thing Joe has done that Ben hasn't. At least Joe has been able to lead the Ravens to the playoffs and playoff victories by himself.
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Again, Ben got us to SB XL and won us SB XLIII. Make no mistake about it. You can say what you want about Woodley's comments, but you can;t compare Joe Flacco to Big Ben at this point. Maybe some day, but not now.

[Ravens Lover]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1307804007' post='695733']
Anthony? (see who gets this....)
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lol woops

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1307885725' post='695960']
In his first five years in the NFL, no QB in history has won more games than Ben Roethilisberger. He's also gotten us to the SB (XL) and won SB XLIII where our defense failed us in the 4th quarter.
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Let's not play that game; in his first three years in the NFL, no QB in history has won more games than Joe Flacco

Even though I hate the attribution of wins/losses solely to a QB, it paints a picture. Both teams have been very successful with Flacco/Roethlisberger at the helm, the Steelers more-so.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1307885725' post='695960']
"IF?" "IF" a lot of things buddy.



In his first five years in the NFL, no QB in history has won more games than Ben Roethilisberger. He's also gotten us to the SB (XL) and won SB XLIII where our defense failed us in the 4th quarter.



There's that "if" again. It's really a meaningless point.



Again, Ben got us to SB XL and won us SB XLIII. Make no mistake about it. You can say what you want about Woodley's comments, but you can;t compare Joe Flacco to Big Ben at this point. Maybe some day, but not now.
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Don't think that most Ravens fans put Flacco in the same category as Ben. We know that Ben is better at this point, statistically and in clutch situations. However, let me ask you this. Do you think that if Ben had come into the NFL in Flacco's situation, he could have done much better? Flacco has to compete with literally the best team in the NFL recently, right in his division, which happens to be the toughest defensively. Ben never had to play the Steelers defense; he had to play the Ravens defense, but we never had a QB that could get it done like Ben can. I'm not saying Flacco is as good as Ben because of that, but it's a little bit different when you come to the dominant team in the division. Flacco has been asked to do something that few QBs can ever do, let alone in their first three years.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1307892575' post='695973']
Don't think that most Ravens fans put Flacco in the same category as Ben. We know that Ben is better at this point, statistically and in clutch situations. However, let me ask you this. Do you think that if Ben had come into the NFL in Flacco's situation, he could have done much better? Flacco has to compete with literally the best team in the NFL recently, right in his division, which happens to be the toughest defensively. Ben never had to play the Steelers defense; he had to play the Ravens defense, but we never had a QB that could get it done like Ben can. I'm not saying Flacco is as good as Ben because of that, but it's a little bit different when you come to the dominant team in the division. Flacco has been asked to do something that few QBs can ever do, let alone in their first three years.
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Ben and Joe are different QB's, but I think Ben would have beaten the Steelers at least one of the two times in the playoffs. That is not necessarily a knock on Joe. Just my opinion.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

As much as it pains me to admit it, Woodley can make comments like these because on the field they go out and prove what they say. And as for using it as motivation, yeah well getting mad about it and wanting to beat the steelers is all fine and dandy but until we can back it up it does not really matter. Both teams are professional teams they should not need motivation to win games other than that is their job. Not to mention we already had the biggest motivator to beat the steelers, because if we cant then we cant go to the superbowl. I would be willing to bet that Ray and Ed could care less what this moron says as much as they do for getting another ring.

[Guest RBates]

Harbs and Cam's future should be tied together. If you don't find a way with all the talent on this team to beat your division rivals, then we need to make changes. I might be inclined to give them one more year due to the lock out, but that is it. If you cant shut this guy up, we don't need you. No more excuses!!!!!!

[ravensdfan]

It's a homer statement that any player on any team might make when asked such a question about a Division rival. It only crosses the line because he adds the "in this lifetime" statement. That is just stupidity on his part because it makes the statement ridiculous.

We do not always face the Steelers in the playoffs. We have made the playoffs when the Steelers have not. So to suggest that because we share the same Division that we will never see a SB is just moronic.

At the end of the day, his statements just show his butt and mean nothing when the teams take the field.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1307893313' post='695975']
Ben and Joe are different QB's, but I think Ben would have beaten the Steelers at least one of the two times in the playoffs. That is not necessarily a knock on Joe. Just my opinion.
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Ben would have destroyed the Steelers last playoff game, not sure about the AFCCG.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1307800991' post='695726']
Great post. The only thing I would say is that you have marginally downplayed the strength of our defense. Granted, Hillis ran all over us once and the Bills game was a debacle because Washington gave up like 3 TDs. [b]But Ryan passed all over us for only one half[/b], the Texans game was only that way because the offense couldn't stay on the field, meaning that our defenders were completely gassed for the entire second half. Also, Schaub attempted like 60 passes that game so his yards/attempt weren't great.

Not to mention that there was next to no impact from our defensive rookies last year. This year we're likely to see impacts from Cody, Smith and hopefully Kindle. We are by no means on the down as much as many outsiders make out.
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I am still PISSED over the Atlanta game, everyone seems to forget about the bad reffing that literally changed the outcome of that game.

1. the face mask call that was put on Suggs, even though suggs had his face mask grabbed from atlantas o line that could have ended up as a sack for Suggs if he wasnt held. (his head was turned around completely and he still put pressure on Ryan)

2. the push off R. White did on Wilson that ended in a TD, which should have been a 15 yd penalty and out of field goal range.

That game was a joke, mind you we didnt do much to win it either but the refs sure as heck didnt help and i personally think they we going to let them win anyways because the Falcons were all the hype last yr and thats all the media could talk about was their winning streak at home Matty ice (cube). Am i the only one that thinks he looks like a chipmunk. Im so sick of the media giving Matt Ryan all this praise when he is clearly just above par QB if that. Id take Flacco over Ryan any day. I think we would have a clearer picture of Flacco as a QB if Cam wasnt here.

Oh yea I Hate The STEALERS (with a passion)

[PeRK82]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1307899819' post='696000']
Harbs and Cam's future should be tied together. If you don't find a way with all the talent on this team to beat your division rivals, then we need to make changes. I might be inclined to give [b]them[/b] one more year due to the lock out, but that is it. If you cant shut this guy up, we don't need you. No more excuses!!!!!!
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Them??? I dont think so, maybe Harb. one more yr but not Cam. We are already stuck with him this season coming up and that is bad enough. To me it inevitable that Cam will be gone.(Just look at his history or Forums of teams he has coached or Offense cord. for). The only difference is Teams didnt wait as long as we are to get rid of him, granted he would have been gone if Harb. didnt step in.(which reminds me of Billick and how he used to be) Thats why im putting most of my money on our Defense to do anything this yr to make it to the play offs or SB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1307893313' post='695975']<br />Ben and Joe are different QB's, but I think Ben would have beaten the Steelers at least one of the two times in the playoffs. That is not necessarily a knock on Joe. Just my opinion.<br />[/quote]

I guarantee Ben would have won the AFCCG matchup we had in 2008.

But since Flacco was a rookie and we had no business being there in the first place, it's hard to criticise Flacco for that ( at least if you are a reasonable, mentally fit person ).

The game we played last year; well I dont think any QB could have overcome that many mistakes made by his teammates; not Ben, not Manning or Princess Brady.

That said, I hope Woodley enjoyed bragging while he still could...presumably, Flacco is no longer a wet behind the ears kid, and now entering his 4th season we should see what Flacco is really made of.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1307931026' post='696189']

presumably, Flacco is no longer a wet behind the ears kid, and now entering his 4th season we should see what Flacco is really made of.
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Huuuuuuuhhhh......this again....you guys say this every year about Flacco.

[RivenHale]

And every year he's gotten better. Weird how that works.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1307932999' post='696198']<br />Huuuuuuuhhhh......this again....you guys say this every year about Flacco.<br />[/quote]

that's funny, because A) you speak as if Flacco has been around forever and I only remember people saying he is going to make huge strides. Which he has.

So what's your point, assuming you have one?

[I AM LEGEND]

Flacco is not a rookie anymore.... we should see what he's made of...

Flacco is not a second year player anymore......we should see what he's made of...

Flacco is in his 4th year.....we should finally see what he's made of...



See the point

[1/28/01]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1307935133' post='696220']
Flacco is not a rookie anymore.... we should see what he's made of...

Flacco is not a second year player anymore......we should see what he's made of...

Flacco is in his 4th year.....we should finally see what he's made of...



See the point
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Nope

[1/28/01]

You're acting like you "see what QBs are made of" in their 2nd and 3rd years. You see progression in those years, which we've seen from Flacco YEAR IN and YEAR OUT!.

But, then again, you just don't get it..... [i]<deleted>[/i]

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1307935133' post='696220']<br />Flacco is not a rookie anymore.... we should see what he's made of...<br /><br />Flacco is not a second year player anymore......we should see what he's made of...<br /><br />Flacco is in his 4th year.....we should finally see what he's made of... <br /><br /><br /><br />See the point<br />[/quote]


no, I dont. Nor do I recall anyone implying he'd truly begin to fulfill his potential in his first three years.

How's your 'Ed Reed is hurting our team' theory working out?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1307893313' post='695975']
Ben and Joe are different QB's, but I think Ben would have beaten the Steelers at least one of the two times in the playoffs.
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You should think that. Doesn't make it true though.

[RavensAllTheWay]

After the season ended and we lost in the div. round, I was thinking we won't beat Ben because if we were going to, we would've done it already. I was upset over the fact that every time we say we'll get over the hump, we never do, so why should I believe we will next time?

No one is due anything in sports. There is no rule saying we have to beat Ben at some point, but is there a rule saying we aren't ALLOWED to? It may seem like there is, but there isn't.....Peyton and the Colts beat the Patriots in the playoffs and won a Super Bowl after years of failing. Hell, the Mavericks just won an NBA title after years of failing in critical situations.

Naturally, most roadblocks in the world of sports will be conquered at some point. Doesn't mean there's a rule saying we have to, but at some point, I would think we will beat Ben.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1307829899' post='695846']
"Harabaugh hasn't beaten [Ben]." Really? Players play the game.

As for Billick, the team won 4 of 7 games against against Pittsburgh with Ben as their QB.
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guess we dont have to pay harbaugh then we might as well hire any bum for cheap

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1307941532' post='696250']
guess we dont have to pay harbaugh then we might as well hire any bum for cheap
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Who do you have in mind?

With the way the Ravens-Steelers games have played out under Harbaugh and Ben was playing, I'd hardly put it on him.

[Militant X 1]

unfortunately, until Flacco consistently leads the Ravens to victories over the steelers w/Big Ben in the game, and a championship or two....he will always have this knock against him!

~Mili

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1307930404' post='696184']
I am still PISSED over the Atlanta game, everyone seems to forget about the bad reffing that literally changed the outcome of that game.

1. the face mask call that was put on Suggs, even though suggs had his face mask grabbed from atlantas o line that could have ended up as a sack for Suggs if he wasnt held. (his head was turned around completely and he still put pressure on Ryan)

2. the push off R. White did on Wilson that ended in a TD, which should have been a 15 yd penalty and out of field goal range.

That game was a joke, mind you we didnt do much to win it either but the refs sure as heck didnt help and i personally think they we going to let them win anyways because the Falcons were all the hype last yr and thats all the media could talk about was their winning streak at home Matty ice (cube). Am i the only one that thinks he looks like a chipmunk. Im so sick of the media giving Matt Ryan all this praise when he is clearly just above par QB if that. Id take Flacco over Ryan any day. I think we would have a clearer picture of Flacco as a QB if Cam wasnt here.

Oh yea I Hate The STEALERS (with a passion)
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I agree with you that the outcome of that game and much of what went off in the course of it was flawed, but lets not kid ourselves into believing we played brilliantly. IIRC, Abraham was tormenting Oher for a long time, Joe was playing poorly in the first half and even though the Suggs penalty was total BS, we couldn't do enough to stop Matt Ryan.

I'm not going to get into the whole "Matt Ryan vs. Joe Flacco" debate, it isn't worth it, but neither completely outshone the other in that game.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1307981691' post='696361']<br />I agree with you that the outcome of that game and much of what went off in the course of it was flawed, but lets not kid ourselves into believing we played brilliantly. IIRC, Abraham was tormenting Oher for a long time, Joe was playing poorly in the first half and even though the Suggs penalty was total BS, we couldn't do enough to stop Matt Ryan.<br /><br />I'm not going to get into the whole &quot;Matt Ryan vs. Joe Flacco&quot; debate, it isn't worth it, but neither completely outshone the other in that game.<br />[/quote]

ha...and I remember saying that Oher was going to be too much for Abraham to handle before that game. Woops.


But we certainly did play well enough to win that game. Flacco marching us to comeback and take the lead was the epitome of Flacco's heart and talent.

Too bad for us, our defense may have the same heart, but it didn't have the same talent that Flacco displayed that night.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1307992025' post='696424']
ha...and I remember saying that Oher was going to be too much for Abraham to handle before that game. Woops.


But we certainly did play well enough to win that game. Flacco marching us to comeback and take the lead was the epitome of Flacco's heart and talent.

Too bad for us, our defense may have the same heart, but it didn't have the same talent that Flacco displayed that night.
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But he hasn't led us to playoff victories over the Steelers or a Super Bowl in his first 3 seasons. Clearly he never will, we should just draft another QB and start over. Thanks Lamarr Woodley!

[JEEPercreepermd]

The thing about this that is most aggravating about this is that there is truth there. The Steelers/Raven's rivalry was about even up until 2008 when they won 3 in a row on us and then have a 3-2 advantage over us over the following two seasons.
The Ravens will start beating Pittsburgh in big games when we finally wake up and start taking it to THEM. When the Ravens take the field against Pittsburgh, it's almost as if you can tell they are just trying too hard to not make the fatal mistake that it inevitably happens in a crucial moment. I've said it a thousand times. The teams that beat Pittsburgh are the ones who attack them. They DO have weaknesses just like anyone else.. average CB's, terrible pass protection, and unless we are starting jobbers off the street on defense (like in 2007) we can usually bottle up their offense.

IMO to beat the Steelers, the Ravens have to put Joe in the shotgun so he can see those zone blitzes and safety blitzes, put some more receivers on the field to force guys like Harrison and Woodley into coverage where they aren't as spectacular as they are in run stopping/pass rushing.
Make them EARN it. We have just given them games lately because of the Ravens unwillingness to go out, stomp on the gas pedal and leave them in the dust. I could be way off base here, but just my opinion.

We all know that the Steelers have a championship caliber team, and the truth is that for the Ravens to win the division, to make championship runs, we have got to start beating them. Otherwise, we will always be just what we are now, their perennial contenders...every bit as good as they are, but for some reason or another always just an eyelash below them.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1307992025' post='696424']
ha...and I remember saying that Oher was going to be too much for Abraham to handle before that game. Woops.


But we certainly did play well enough to win that game. Flacco marching us to comeback and take the lead was the epitome of Flacco's heart and talent.

Too bad for us, our defense may have the same heart, but it didn't have the same talent that Flacco displayed that night.
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Yeah, Flacco made up for his poor first half with a good second half showing. The defense certainly didn't have it's finest ever night.

I would probably say that was Oher's worst game in the entire season.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1307995895' post='696456']
Yeah, Flacco made up for his poor first half with a good second half showing. The defense certainly didn't have it's finest ever night.

[b]I would probably say that was Oher's worst game in the entire season.[/b]
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It might have been the worst game of his career thus far.