Q In The Slot

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1307846858' post='695911']
1.) Ray Rice have the potential to be another LT? NO, as good as he is he will not be an Lt from the 2002-2006, there were very few RB's in history that you could game plan for and still lose. That is not Ray Rice he is a very good back and I love his tough running style, however in his prime LT could be talked about the top 3 GOAT at his position. So to answer your question I don't ever see RR doing that.

2.) That really "dominant" line you were talking about from 2002-2006, Have 1 pro bowl combined. Nick hardwick. Just to put that in perspective Matt Birk had more than their entire offensive line during that span. I think I prefer our line from last year to theirs any day.

3.) The reason his offense worked is because LT averaged over 350 carries a season. There is talk that RR should have less carries because of stature I'm assuming. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8201500c/article/running-the-show-no-surprises-atop-list-of-nfls-best-rbs. So yeah execution or having somebody for those 4 years, that was the greatest the game had seen since the early 90's with Emmit. That all being said how hard is your offensive game plan when you say I am giving the ball to LT 30-35 times a game. . And for you to say they did not have a above average recieving corps is crazy. during that span they had McCardell, who was a pro-bowler, Kassim Osgood who was a pro-bowler, and Vincent Jackson who the year after cam left made the probowl. Is that just an insane good recieving corps no, but to say not above average isnt fair, they got overshadowed by LT. (who not to mention was running behind Lorenzo Neal, who is an all pro as you well know.)

4.) And if cameron is a chess player at calling then he needs to spend more time with kasparov. Out smarting himself is just as bad as being incompetent because they will equate to the same on a football field.

5.) As for developing young QB's there is a guy named Brian Schottenheimer who seems very adept at developing young QB's. The entire time he was there was when Brees was going off, and then got him the deal to the saints. So saying that cam is a master mind at developing young Qb's does not hold water. It seems to me joe thinks so too because of the comments he made when Zorn got let go( I am not going to put words in his mouth however.) It just seems to me Zorn put in all the ground work to get joe where he is.
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1). Ray has the capability to be one of the better RB in the NFL today in combined yards from scrimmage. So he can be used the same ways LT was used in Cam's system and have success.

2). I will agree that the Ravens oline has the potential to be one of the best in the NFL, but potential doesn't win football games. LT wasn't doing all that running by himself, that Oline helped. And if you think the Ravens Oline is better, then that farther more cements the fact that this offense is capable of running Cam's complex offense.

3)You are losing me here. First you say Cam probably didn't call 80% of the plays and now you're saying how hard is play calling when you can just hand off to LT. Either Cam called the plays or he didn't.

And as for the WRs, come on man. I'm starting to think you just enjoy debating the fact that Cam isn't any good, because if you thought highly of the Chargers WR corp from 2002-2006, then you can't understand football as well as u articulate it here.

Keenan McCardell was a old WR in his 14th season when he got to SD. Now I will admit he was coming off a pro Bowl season when he was signed, but he only played 7 games his first year with SD. The next season he had decent stats but he was hardly the same guy that formed a great duo with Jimmy Smith in Jax.

Kassim Osgood? Really? The guy made the probowl as a special teams ace, not because of what he could do as a WR. That's like saying B.A is a great Ravens LB because he made the pro bowl.

Vincent Jackson was drafted in 2005 and didn't develop into the WR we see today until the 2007 season.

And before you say he wasn't used well by Cam or how convenient it is that Jackson developed into Pro Bowler after Cam. Jackson was well on his way in his 2nd season after being a 2nd round pick. He had 27 catches, 450yds 16.8ypc and 6TDs, so Cam used him well.

Oh and before you say, well that means Cam had an above average WR corp. That year(2006) the Chargers scored a team record 494 points, which was best in the NFL. Vincent Jackson was probably the best WR on that team with only 27 catches. I'd call that below average.

Why did you fail to mention guys like Eric Parker, Reche Caldwell, Tim Dwight and Curtis Conway, who were all believed to be #1 WR at least one season under Cam. After A. Gates and LT, the passing options for the Chargers were as bad if not worse the the Ravens WR during the Billick era.

4) Every OC or DC out smarts themselves, or get beat on play calls that may have been overly aggressive. You're telling me that Rex never called for a blitz thinking it was the prefect time to send pressure only to get beat by a screen pass? It happens to all play callers. Hell it can be argued that Ray Lewis and Ed Reed changing plays saved Rex and Mike Nolan from bad play calls, does that make either one of those guys any less good at being a DC?

The 2 plays I pointed out as Cam outsmarting himself, could have easily gone for completions and the Ravens would have sealed the game on offense. The safe play in both cases was to run the ball, Cam chose to be aggressive and throw. I guess that makes him terrible right? Makes him just as terrible as Bill Belicick, who decided to go for it on 4th down in his own territory against the Colts, late and it cost them the game.

5) So Cam gets no credit for anything positive that happened in SD now. Cam has been credited for guiding Gus Frerotte to his only Pro Bowl appearance and developing Trent Green, but I guess he shouldn't be credited for that right? If you wanna give the credit for Brees and Rivers success to someone else that's cool. But to say that Zorn put in all the ground work to get Joe where he is, after all of one full season with him, Come on, lets get real. Zorn did a great job with Joe last season, but to say he laid the ground work, I'd have to completely disagree. Joe was developing without Zorn, and the argument can be made that Zorn was the reason Joe reverted back to holding onto the ball too long last season.

Flacco was quoted as saying the reason he was so upset over the Zorn firing was because he viewed it as a personal attack on his performance. Flacco felt Zorn was a great coach and was fired because of him and he didn't like it. Flacco has gotten better and better each year, regardless if his QB coach was Jackson or Zorn, the one constant has been Cam. So something has to be working.

With all you said, and I replied to, there are still two things I just don't understand.

1). How is it possible that Cam's offense is too complex for the Ravens offensive players to execute it.

2). Why does everyone else get credit for all of Cam's success or perceived success, players, other coaches, etc. Yet Cam gets all the blame for the Ravens offense failing?

[RavenDude11]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1307680861' post='695154']
I couldn't disagree more, in fact there might not be a single post I've disagreed with more then this one.

Are you really telling me that Cam's offense(regradless of good or bad) is too complex for the best players in the world to grasp? For the same reason why you say Cam and his offense isn't working, is the same reason why the Ravens will be so successful once the right pieces are placed in this offense. Hopefully that's this year with the young guys we have.

Now I'll admit Cam's offense being so complexed is one of the main reasons Flacco was held back last season, but only because the Ravens hesitated to put the offense fully in Flacco's hands. I would say it was more because of 2 new WRs and a mixed up Oline, rather then the offense being too complex. This season Flacco should have a full grasp of this offense and he still has enough familiar pieces(Mason, Boldin, Heap and Rice) around him to reach his full potential this season without young guys holding him back because of chemistry. But to say things should be dumbed down, so the guys on offense can execute better, wow.

I refuse to believe that Cam could be responsible for 3 top 10 offenses in his 5 season while with the Chargers, but our offensive players aren't smart enough or good enough to pick up his system.

Would a offense like the Falcons be easier to pick up, yea probably. However something being easier isn't always the best.

Cam's offense being harder to execute means, the players have to be more discipline and pay greater attention to details. Much like the Colts offense under Manning, or the Chargers offense under Rivers. Or any success offense in the NFL.

As far as Boldin disappearing, the guy had 64rec 837yds 13.1ypc and 7TD, I wouldn't call that disappearing. Was it his usual pro bowl type season? No but it was hardly disappearing.

It was Boldin's first season in our offense, and pretty much ever defense treated him like our #1 WR. For people who continue to refer to the Cardinals as the way the Ravens should use Boldin, We are not the Cardinals and the 2 offensive systems are completely different.

Since Boldin has been a Cardinal, they've only had 2 seasons where a RB has rushed for 1,000 yards or more. They are a pass first team, the Ravens are a run first team. Cam is a OC that believes in using the power running game to set up the play action. Would it be great for Cam to incorporation some of what ARI does, of course, but that can be said about any successful offense.

Boldin's number last season were on par with others from his time in Arizona, the only thing was his opportunities.

During his time in ARI, Boldin averaged about 13 yards per catch and 7 TDs. Last season Boldin had 13.1ypc and 7TDs. In Arizona Boldin was in a pass first offense with Fitz on the other side of him. In Baltimore Boldin was the #1 WR in a run first offense that couldn't run the ball. That had just as much to do with his drop in numbers as the system itself.

As for guys not being used to their full potential, come on really? As fans do we not like Cam Cameron that much that we are relegated to believe that his offense is too difficult to execute and players aren't reaching their fullest potential?

Who's to say that any other coach would have used Ray Rice as well as Cam has. Rice only had about 20 catches his entire collegiate career. There was no way of knowing Rice would be as successful as a pass catcher as he was, Cam is the guy that used him that way.

McClain was drafted as nothing more then a FB. It was Cam who scouted him as a RB in Miami and used him as such with the Ravens. Who's to say that McClain would have even gotten the opportunity to be even a short yardage back else where?

Flacco has improved each year in the NFL, all 3 of them. He's a top 10 QB right now, other then Tom Brady(MVP) Flacco had the best passer rating and TD-INT ratio in the NFL after week 2 last season. But Cam has nothing to do with any of that right? Instead he's just the guy that preventing Flacco from being Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers in only his 3rd season, as if those guys had tremendous amounts of success in their first 3 seasons.

Cam Cameron isn't perfect as an OC or a play caller, but some of you guys act as if he's the worse thing that's ever happened to the Ravens.

Cam's offense is too complex for Flacco to succeed in really? Now I agree that we have great success when we go NO Huddle and have a quicker pace, but that doesn't mean Cam's offense is too complex.

My apologies for the long post guys, but sometimes things get out of hand when Cam Cameron gets involved. Also I know I'm not doing much to help the matter, with this long post, but lets not make this thread about Cam. Let's keep it about Q being used in the Slot.
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I'm not saying the offense is too complex for the players to comprehend. I'm saying the offense is too complex for the players to be successful in.

We were ranked 22nd last year in offense. In 2009 we were 18th in passing. In 2008 we were 28th in passing and 18th in total offense. Cam Cameron's success in San Diego is irrelevant. But let's not forget about LT when he was in his prime in San Diego. Wasn't he being talked about as one of the greatest of all time...Let's not forget Cam Cameron having Drew Brees (top 3 QB) controlling his offense and dont forget when he had the best TE in the league at the time, Antiono Gates...catching Drew Bree's passes.

Cameron's style is either too methodical or too passive. He tries to control too much from the sideline. It seems like he calls plays specifically to counter the defensive coordinator rather than to attack the defensive players. It should be our players vs their players. Not Cam vs their Coordinator. Yeah I know it's important to counter schemes but dont let pittsburgh come out in a 3-4 and rush Harrison and Woodly off the edge all game. Come out in 4 wr sets and spread that blitz out. As an offense you should be the ones dictating a game making the defense adjust to you, not you to the defense. On paper Cam's calls make sense if their executed perfectly. But on the field its a different game. His plays require too high of an execution level for them to work consistently.

Why did LeRon McClain only get 28 rushing attempts last year? What happened to McGahee? Why did Stallworth only see the field for the end around? Why wasn't Anquan targeted as the #1 Wr? Why wasn't Joe allowed to audible? Why were there so many players outspoken about the offense last year?

Cam Cameron is too passive in big time situations. He's too conservative against pressure. He to often tries to out-think his opponents rather than outplay them. He wants Joe Flacco to cater to his style rather than him to Joe's. Why would any offensive coordinator handcuff their franchise quarterback? Do you think Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Rivers are not allowed to audible their plays?

Your telling me that a quarterback good enough to start in the NFL isn't good enough to pass across the middle? Joe Flacco has one of the best arms in the entire league yet for whatever reason Cam avoids the deep ball? Why does your RB have 1 less catch than your #1 WR and 2 more catches than your #2 WR?

All I'm saying is Cam over complicates this offense and it hinders our best players. The fact that Joe isn't completely involved in game planning is a joke. The fact that Anquan was used more as a decoy than as a playmaker is a joke. But I digress...

[edreedfromtheu]

So what you're(the original poster) saying is... you want even SHORTER passes? That's not going to go over well with, well, pretty much ANYONE.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1307856620' post='695935']
So what you're(the original poster) saying is... you want even SHORTER passes? That's not going to go over well with, well, pretty much ANYONE.
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Indeed. What was I thinking expecting Boldin to be used to his strengths?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='RavenDude11' timestamp='1307856329' post='695933']
I'm not saying the offense is too complex for the players to comprehend. I'm saying the offense is too complex for the players to be successful in.

We were ranked 22nd last year in offense. In 2009 we were 18th in passing. In 2008 we were 28th in passing and 18th in total offense. Cam Cameron's success in San Diego is irrelevant. But let's not forget about LT when he was in his prime in San Diego. Wasn't he being talked about as one of the greatest of all time...Let's not forget Cam Cameron having Drew Brees (top 3 QB) controlling his offense and dont forget when he had the best TE in the league at the time, Antiono Gates...catching Drew Bree's passes.

Cameron's style is either too methodical or too passive. He tries to control too much from the sideline. It seems like he calls plays specifically to counter the defensive coordinator rather than to attack the defensive players. It should be our players vs their players. Not Cam vs their Coordinator. Yeah I know it's important to counter schemes but dont let pittsburgh come out in a 3-4 and rush Harrison and Woodly off the edge all game. Come out in 4 wr sets and spread that blitz out. As an offense you should be the ones dictating a game making the defense adjust to you, not you to the defense. On paper Cam's calls make sense if their executed perfectly. But on the field its a different game. His plays require too high of an execution level for them to work consistently.

Why did LeRon McClain only get 28 rushing attempts last year? What happened to McGahee? Why did Stallworth only see the field for the end around? Why wasn't Anquan targeted as the #1 Wr? Why wasn't Joe allowed to audible? Why were there so many players outspoken about the offense last year?

Cam Cameron is too passive in big time situations. He's too conservative against pressure. He to often tries to out-think his opponents rather than outplay them. He wants Joe Flacco to cater to his style rather than him to Joe's. Why would any offensive coordinator handcuff their franchise quarterback? Do you think Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Rivers are not allowed to audible their plays?

Your telling me that a quarterback good enough to start in the NFL isn't good enough to pass across the middle? Joe Flacco has one of the best arms in the entire league yet for whatever reason Cam avoids the deep ball? Why does your RB have 1 less catch than your #1 WR and 2 more catches than your #2 WR?

All I'm saying is Cam over complicates this offense and it hinders our best players. The fact that Joe isn't completely involved in game planning is a joke. The fact that Anquan was used more as a decoy than as a playmaker is a joke. But I digress...
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You guys and this Cam Cameron thing is getting unreal. Drew Brees was not a top 3 QB while in SD. He was viewed as a bust by many and that's the reason Philip Rivers was drafted in the first place.

You guys act as if the Ravens have no talent on this offense what so every. You praise LT and Gates for being so great, as if Cam's system and play calling had nothing to do with it. But since you say his time in SD is irrelevant we can dismiss all of that.

Ok so you say the offense isn't too complex to comprehend, it's just too complex to execute successfully. Ok well either way you are saying the offense is too complex for the current members of the Baltimore Ravens offense.

I love how people say Cam has too much control, when the offense is based on a lot of option routes and Flacco is free to throw the ball to any WR he chooses to. Cam took input from a 9 year old kid, the guy has a open and deep playbook. He's not one of those coaches who script his first 15-20 plays regardless of what the game dictates. Is he prefect, not by a long shot, he has his flaws just like anyone else.

Joe isn't completely involved in game planning? How many offensive meeting did you sit in on at the Castle last season? How do u know Flacco isn't completely involved?

His offense hinders our best players? Heap had one of his overall best seasons last year and that was with only 13 games played.

Ray Rice's numbers were on par with last seasons, which was a great season for him. The oline not getting movement up front is what hindered Ray's overall production.

Derrick Mason had his second highest yards per catch total with the Ravens last year. He tied for the most TDs he's had in a season with the Ravens which was 7 and he was the #2 WR last year.

With the pass happy Cardinals Boldin average about 84 catches, 13.0 yards per catch and 7TDs a season. Being in a new system, one that's run first, Boldin had 64 catches, 13.1ypc and 7TD

Sounds like Cam really hindered these guys. The Ravens don't have to be perfect to execute Cam's offense, they just can't make foolish mistakes and untimely penalties.

You can't have all the drops Housh had, you can't have Troy P come untouched on a 3 step drop and force a fumble. You can't have Boldin drop a TD pass that hit him right in the chess, or have Pac Man Jones out muscle him on a slant route. You can't have Tambi Hali beating your LT like a drum, then forcing a fumble on your QB. You can't have Mason go to the media and talk about how poor the offense is playing, then come out and drop a sure TD on a deep pass to start the Texans game.

As far as Cam not allowing Joe to throw deep or across the middle. Flacco has the freedom to throw the ball where ever he chooses.

[RavenDude11]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1307869158' post='695950']
You guys and this Cam Cameron thing is getting unreal. [b]Drew Brees was not a top 3 QB while in SD.[/b] He was viewed as a bust by many and that's the reason Philip Rivers was drafted in the first place.[/quote]

[size="4"]EXACTLY!![/size]

[quote]Ok so you say the offense isn't too complex to comprehend, it's just too complex to execute successfully. O[b]k well either way you are saying the offense is too complex for the current members of the Baltimore Ravens offense[/b]. [/quote]

No, I didn't say that. It has nothing to do with the players being unable to execute his offense because they lack comprehension. You keep arguing the same thing just in different words. I'm saying that Cam's offense (philosophy) is too complicated for the players to be successful in. Not for them to successfully execute...there's a difference. For example:

Joe Flacco can [i]successfully[/i] execute a conservative play call to Derick Mason for a quick 8 yard comeback route. But his success is being limited and his potential is being hindered by not being able to audible out of the play (because Cam is in total control) into a more aggressive call to hit Anquan Boldin Deep over the middle for a TD.


[quote]Joe isn't completely involved in game planning? How many offensive meeting did you sit in on at the Castle last season? How do u know Flacco isn't completely involved?[/quote]

I can't provide you with a link so I guess it's a mute point without evidence. But if you care to do some research their have been video clips, articles, even talk on local radio shows about Flacco's lack of involvement and input into the offensive game plan. It's Cam's offense. One of the reasons Hue Jackson left was because he didnt have enough input on the offense. Harb didn't have any input into the offense...Zorn was "insubordinate" and outspoken about the offensive being too conservative. Flacco has mentioned time and again his displeasure with the conservative play calling. Boldin, Mason, Housh, McClain, Rice, McGahee all have at one point been outspoken about the play calling. It's Cam's Offense.


[quote]With the pass happy Cardinals Boldin average about 84 catches, 13.0 yards per catch and 7TDs a season. Being in a new system, one that's run first, Boldin had 64 catches, 13.1ypc and 7TD[/quote]

He also had another guy on his team by the name of Larry Fitzgerald. Unless you think Mason's role is relative to Fitzgerald, how you can you legitimately justify so few catches for a premier WR? There were games where Boldin wasn't even targeted. The last 4 games of the reg season he might as well have been wearing David Reids jersey (who wasn't even used on offense) because he virtually disappeared.



[quote]As far as Cam not allowing Joe to throw deep or across the middle. Flacco has the freedom to throw the ball where ever he chooses.[/quote]

does he? do you really believe that? The majority of the plays are already decided for as to who is targeted, who catches the ball. Only after his play breaks down does Flacco have his freedom. Flacco has to execute the play exactly the way that it is called. He's been outspoken about this time and again. An example of Cam's over-complicating philosophy is too call plays to specifically set up the deep ball later in the game. Why do you have to set the deep ball up? Why can't you send the fastes guy deep and if he's open or has single coverage take a shot down field? Flacco cant just go out and throw bombs all game whenever he wants to are you kidding me. Sure he has his progressions and
"freedoms" but like I've said the progressions given to him do not fully allow him to be successful. How successful can you truly be passing the ball when you only have 2 WR running routes...and maybe the TE, vs. an entire secondary and LB coverage?

Maybe I should be more specific to where I'm putting the blame. I'm putting the blame on Cam Cameron's offensive philosophy. His philosophy, (play calling) whatever you want to call it is too overly complicated. For example:

Consistently running the ball 3 times in a row against the steelers in hopes that 1 time he'll catch the defensive coordinator in a pass coverage scheme...then with only 2:00+ minutes on the clock and with a 10-6 lead on 2nd and 5 from their own 40 yard line, he calls a passing play only to result in a sack fumble taken to the 9 yard line where shortly thereafter, Big Ben throws a game winning touchdown.... I mean really? Versus what? Common sense? Maybe running the ball on 2nd and 5 to take more time off the clock, best case scenario you get a 1st down and take a knee, worse case scenario being you punt the ball with less than a minute to play, deep into their own territory?

Calling a passing play from our 40 yard line, on 2nd and 5, only to have that miserable outcome that should have never been, in a game where the Ravens defense [i]completely[/i] dominated the Steelers offense all game long. Even if the fumble never happens what if the pass became incomplete? Do you really risk stopping the clock with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter on 2nd and 5? This is how Cameron's "over-complicating of the simple" philosophy hinders our players, hinders our team.

This is why the Ravens had what seemed to be a record for no TDS in the 1st half of nearly every game last season...Why does it take an entire half to adjust your play calling? Why does it take so much effort to move the chains when you have premier play makers all around? How on earth are you ranked 22nd in total offense when you have Joe Flacco, Todd Heap, Derrick Mason, Willis McGahee, Housh, Ray Rice, Ed Dixon, Donte Stallworth, Leron McClain...Anquan Boldin.

Think what you want my friend but naive thinking only leads to let downs.

Why do you think Ozzie has been quoted as saying , “As we move forward this year, this will become Joe’s offense. It won’t be Cam’s offense, it will be Joe’s offense.”

Cam is on the hotseat - for a reason!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='RavenDude11' timestamp='1307922550' post='696136']
[size="4"]EXACTLY!![/size]



No, I didn't say that. It has nothing to do with the players being unable to execute his offense because they lack comprehension. You keep arguing the same thing just in different words. I'm saying that Cam's offense (philosophy) is too complicated for the players to be successful in. Not for them to successfully execute...there's a difference. For example:

Joe Flacco can [i]successfully[/i] execute a conservative play call to Derick Mason for a quick 8 yard comeback route. But his success is being limited and his potential is being hindered by not being able to audible out of the play (because Cam is in total control) into a more aggressive call to hit Anquan Boldin Deep over the middle for a TD.




I can't provide you with a link so I guess it's a mute point without evidence. But if you care to do some research their have been video clips, articles, even talk on local radio shows about Flacco's lack of involvement and input into the offensive game plan. It's Cam's offense. One of the reasons Hue Jackson left was because he didnt have enough input on the offense. Harb didn't have any input into the offense...Zorn was "insubordinate" and outspoken about the offensive being too conservative. Flacco has mentioned time and again his displeasure with the conservative play calling. Boldin, Mason, Housh, McClain, Rice, McGahee all have at one point been outspoken about the play calling. It's Cam's Offense.




He also had another guy on his team by the name of Larry Fitzgerald. Unless you think Mason's role is relative to Fitzgerald, how you can you legitimately justify so few catches for a premier WR? There were games where Boldin wasn't even targeted. The last 4 games of the reg season he might as well have been wearing David Reids jersey (who wasn't even used on offense) because he virtually disappeared.





does he? do you really believe that? The majority of the plays are already decided for as to who is targeted, who catches the ball. Only after his play breaks down does Flacco have his freedom. Flacco has to execute the play exactly the way that it is called. He's been outspoken about this time and again. An example of Cam's over-complicating philosophy is too call plays to specifically set up the deep ball later in the game. Why do you have to set the deep ball up? Why can't you send the fastes guy deep and if he's open or has single coverage take a shot down field? Flacco cant just go out and throw bombs all game whenever he wants to are you kidding me. Sure he has his progressions and
"freedoms" but like I've said the progressions given to him do not fully allow him to be successful. How successful can you truly be passing the ball when you only have 2 WR running routes...and maybe the TE, vs. an entire secondary and LB coverage?

Maybe I should be more specific to where I'm putting the blame. I'm putting the blame on Cam Cameron's offensive philosophy. His philosophy, (play calling) whatever you want to call it is too overly complicated. For example:

Consistently running the ball 3 times in a row against the steelers in hopes that 1 time he'll catch the defensive coordinator in a pass coverage scheme...then with only 2:00+ minutes on the clock and with a 10-6 lead on 2nd and 5 from their own 40 yard line, he calls a passing play only to result in a sack fumble taken to the 9 yard line where shortly thereafter, Big Ben throws a game winning touchdown.... I mean really? Versus what? Common sense? Maybe running the ball on 2nd and 5 to take more time off the clock, best case scenario you get a 1st down and take a knee, worse case scenario being you punt the ball with less than a minute to play, deep into their own territory?

Calling a passing play from our 40 yard line, on 2nd and 5, only to have that miserable outcome that should have never been, in a game where the Ravens defense [i]completely[/i] dominated the Steelers offense all game long. Even if the fumble never happens what if the pass became incomplete? Do you really risk stopping the clock with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter on 2nd and 5? This is how Cameron's "over-complicating of the simple" philosophy hinders our players, hinders our team.

This is why the Ravens had what seemed to be a record for no TDS in the 1st half of nearly every game last season...Why does it take an entire half to adjust your play calling? Why does it take so much effort to move the chains when you have premier play makers all around? How on earth are you ranked 22nd in total offense when you have Joe Flacco, Todd Heap, Derrick Mason, Willis McGahee, Housh, Ray Rice, Ed Dixon, Donte Stallworth, Leron McClain...Anquan Boldin.

Think what you want my friend but naive thinking only leads to let downs.

Why do you think Ozzie has been quoted as saying , “As we move forward this year, this will become Joe’s offense. It won’t be Cam’s offense, it will be Joe’s offense.”

[b]Cam is on the hotseat - for a reason![/b]
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oooh oooh oooh wait I think I know.... Is it because he doesnt know how to call plays ? Or is it because he does not understand how football is played in this division.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1307591715' post='694694']
Earlier today, I stumbled upon an article PFF did on slot WRs and I was pleasantly surprised to see how often Boldin was in that role last season. What he did there confirmed some of my views on how Cam utilized him last season though.

Here's a link to the article: [url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/02/slot-receivers/"][size="2"][b][u]Slot Receivers[/u][/b][/size][/url]

According to PFF's analysis, Q tied for 3rd in the league with Jordan Shipley for snaps in the slot with 566. He didn't crack their top 15 in terms of highest-percentage of snaps in the slot, which is understandable as he's a starter.

From the slot, he amassed 65 targets, 39 catches for 561 yards(good for 8th[tied], 11th and 6th respectively). He finished the season with 64 catches for 837 yards(70 for 899 if you count post-season yards), so 39 catches and 561 yards coming from the slot is pretty significant.

Now, one of the most glaring stats comes in the "slot target depth" table. Q's targets in the slot averaged 11.63 yard and only Marques Colston and Hines Ward were targeted further down-field. To me, this illustrates a problem with how Cam utilized Q. He used him to attack the seams, most notably on his 38-yarder in the opener, third TD against Cleveland in Week 3 and his 61-yarder against Pittsburgh in Week 13. That's cool. But Q wasn't given [i]nearly[/i] enough opportunities to catch and run from the slot.

Further proving this was Boldin's yards per catch from the slot being 3rd among listed WRs with 14.38.

But maybe the most damning stat is the last table which breaks down YAC. Q tied with Jordy Nelson for last among the 15 WRs listed for last with 182 yards after the catch. Even Colston, a WR not really known for his YAC abilities, had more than him.

[b]I've maintained that Boldin looked less explosive last season than he did as a Cardinal.[/b] However, he's still strong and physical enough to generate yards after contact. I really hope Cam utilizes him better next season.
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i agree and i think that Q looked less explosive because he didn't/doesn't have a Larry Fitzgerald "type" of WR lining up opposite of him. for the most part....Boldin, Mason and Housh are all similiar type of receivers and they could barely get separation if any from the DBs.

Larry drew double teams and that allowed Q to go to work underneath and sometimes deep. the Ravens need explosive deep threats opposite Q and then he will be back form.

~Mili

[RavenDude11]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1307924724' post='696146']
oooh oooh oooh wait I think I know.... Is it because he doesnt know how to call plays ? Or is it because he does not understand how football is played in this division.
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Or maybe it's because we ranked 22nd in offense...or maybe it's because our offense is too conservative...or maybe it's because 3 years of the same shhh is enough?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1307925328' post='696152']
i agree and i think that Q looked less explosive because he didn't/doesn't have a Larry Fitzgerald "type" of WR lining up opposite of him. for the most part....Boldin, Mason and Housh are all similiar type of receivers and they could barely get separation if any from the DBs.

Larry drew double teams and that allowed Q to go to work underneath and sometimes deep. the Ravens need explosive deep threats opposite Q and then he will be back form.

~Mili
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Yea the Ravens have done a really good job of adding pieces to the offense that should allow Boldin the space needed to work underneath.

Boldin had a really strong first half last season, but once defenses realized that we couldn't beat them deep consistently, they just sat on routes and made it hard for Q to do what he does so well.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavenDude11' timestamp='1307926014' post='696157']
Or maybe it's because we ranked 22nd in offense...or maybe it's because our offense is too conservative...[b]or maybe it's because 3 years of the same shhh[/b] is enough?
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The offense underachieved in ways last season but what kind of offense did you expect in '08 or '09?