'11 Cornerbacks

[Gordo52]

It would be so awesome to resign both wilson and carr, I know it seems unlikely but if we did I truely believe we would have the best secondary. Smith,Wilson,Foxworth,Webb,Carr,Brown. Plus Reed and probably Zibby or Haruki. I feel if we do resign both of them then we wouldnt be able to resign Landry, which I have mixed feelings about. And plus what better way for Chikie to learn from foxworth,wilson, and carr. Over the years he would gain alot of expierence from watching them and learning from them he would eventually start. I really like our chances this year. I just hope we sign the needs in Yanda,Mcclain,Wilson/Carr also id like to see Gaither return but move back to the left.

[JEEPercreepermd]

I'd take Carr over Wilson. I may be alone here, but I didn't really see on the field anything special out of Wilson other than the game winning interception against Houston. He had a few decent games, and a few sub par ones.
Carr on the other hand has come a long way since we signed him. At first, I saw him as the next Corey Ivy but as the injury bug hit our secondary he really turned into the most dependable CB that we had last season. So, I think Carr should be a priority over Wilson but depending on the Cap situation and how many CB's they decide to carry Wilson could be back too. Really I think Wilson is just a slightly better Fabian Washington..not phenominal but not terrible either

[berad]

Yanda's top priority. He's the best, most consistent lineman we have.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1307546256' post='694446']
I'd take Carr over Wilson. I may be alone here, but I didn't really see on the field anything special out of Wilson other than the game winning interception against Houston. He had a few decent games, and a few sub par ones.
Carr on the other hand has come a long way since we signed him. At first, I saw him as the next Corey Ivy but as the injury bug hit our secondary he really turned into the most dependable CB that we had last season. So, I think Carr should be a priority over Wilson but depending on the Cap situation and how many CB's they decide to carry Wilson could be back too. Really I think Wilson is just a slightly better Fabian Washington..not phenominal but not terrible either
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If we have to choose one it depends on if Foxy or Wilson can play the slot. Smith will be the first corner, Foxy or Wilson will be the second, then Webb and Wilson/Carr will be in the slot. If we need one of them to play out wide, I'd go Wilson. If we need a slot CB, I'll go Carr.

I'd rather keep both in case someone gets injured.

[Alexir]

Blows my mind how different everyones opinion is. I thought every would say Wilson for first question and Yanda for second question.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1307548207' post='694453']
Yanda's top priority. He's the best, most consistent lineman we have.
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i second this.

i would take wilson over carr any day. carr was very good last year for us but he will never be a starter. just a nickle back and i see webb stronger at that position in the long run. wilson on the other hand has the potential to be a starter. he was very solid at the end of the season. so if you want to resign someone who can play on the other side of smith you gotta take wilson in my eyes...

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Yanda is only second priority to Ngata. However, I feel Gaither is another 'must re sign' player.

Wilson is younger and a better playmaker (potential KO returner, more picks). He might be more up and down than Carr is, and will certainly be more expensive, but I'd prefer the Ravens to re sign him.

[flynismo]

I'd say Gaither is far more important than anyone not named Ngata.

[Ravenslifer]

If Gaither is healthy, he's the biggest priority. I think he could be the difference between what we saw last year and a truly dominant offensive line. Gaither Ngata, and Yanda are the three guys I think we MUST have. I'm not too worried about the cornerbacks, though I'd love to somehow bring back both Wilson and Carr. But remember, we drafted Jimmy Smith and Chykie Brown, we have Foxworth comming back, plus Ladarius Webb and Marcus Paschal. I'm willing to bet a lot that at some point next season (providing we have a season) Jimmy Smith will take over a starting spot. If Fox is the other starter, it means that everyone else is in a backup role. CB is not as important, I think, as Ngata and the oline, based on the draft we had. I will admit that I'm a huge Jimmy Smith fan, and that's probably coloring my perspective, but I don't care.

[da#1ravensfan]

Carr is the better corner, but Wilson is more physical and we need more physicality

[PurpleReign92]

The bigger you are the harder you fall and the harder to replace...
I say Wilson on the 1st part and Gaither on the 2nd part. Now Landry and Yanda are important X-factors and should be considered down the priority list...
Overall I'm big on tackles and Gaither is number 1 on my list...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='da#1ravensfan' timestamp='1307836973' post='695873']
Carr is the better corner, but Wilson is more physical and we need more physicality
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Carr isn't better than Wilson. He might have been more consistent last season but not only is Wilson more physical, he's a better athlete too.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

This is always a crap shoot because, injuries never seem to be spread out with our team they are always one area that gets hit hard. Corner has been the one hit the most recently. That being said Wilson I think is the better corner so should be resigned, some say he isn't consistent but then again he came into a new defense and for the most part played well, I am hoping that year 2 and the cohesion with the rest of the unit makes him that much better. And as high on jimmy Smith as I am he is unproven at the moment, so having people we know can play is going to be key this year. After Ngata's contract though I am not sure how much cap will be left, if he wanted to he could take us to the cleaners (and honestly he is good enough that he should be paid top dollar but if he asks for 100 million that is when you have to consider letting him go.) If Gaither is truly healthy then I could take the cheaper route on corners to resign him and Yanda. If we got that part back We can give Reid time to develop along with Harewood as contingency players. To me having an Oline that is solid throughout should be a top priority because after the draft, assuming we have no holes. Another thing to take into account is the pass rush. We have a more aggressive D coordinator or so he says, so we should surround him with enough talent to regain a Raven's defense. So re-sign ngata, make the oline priority over the secondary, and wait for free agency to see who is available as a pass rusher.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1307852481' post='695924']
This is always a crap shoot because, injuries never seem to be spread out with our team they are always one area that gets hit hard. Corner has been the one hit the most recently. That being said Wilson I think is the better corner so should be resigned, some say he isn't consistent but then again he came into a new defense and for the most part played well, I am hoping that year 2 and the cohesion with the rest of the unit makes him that much better. And as high on jimmy Smith as I am he is unproven at the moment, so having people we know can play is going to be key this year. After Ngata's contract though I am not sure how much cap will be left, if he wanted to he could take us to the cleaners (and honestly he is good enough that he should be paid top dollar but if he asks for 100 million that is when you have to consider letting him go.) If Gaither is truly healthy then I could take the cheaper route on corners to resign him and Yanda. If we got that part back We can give Reid time to develop along with Harewood as contingency players. To me having an Oline that is solid throughout should be a top priority because after the draft, assuming we have no holes. Another thing to take into account is the pass rush. We have a more aggressive D coordinator or so he says, so we should surround him with enough talent to regain a Raven's defense. So re-sign ngata, make the oline priority over the secondary, and wait for free agency to see who is available as a pass rusher.
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Giving credit to the defense our Pass Rush is not that bad.
We have Kindle and Krugar who showed us in college and Krugar in the NFL that they can edge rush as good as any in this league. The fact still remain those guys are not going to start over Johnson and Suggs. That being said we have a damn good back up plan really helps us going into the season with talented wings on the D-line...

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1307860732' post='695941']
Giving credit to the defense our Pass Rush is not that bad.
We have Kindle and Krugar who showed us in college and Krugar in the NFL that they can edge rush as good as any in this league. The fact still remain those guys are not going to start over Johnson and Suggs. That being said we have a damn good back up plan really helps us going into the season with talented wings on the D-line...
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As much as the verdict isn't final on him yet, Kruger has not proven to be as good an edge rusher as any in the league. He needs to be moved back to OLB because he's much better in space than playing 30lbs heavier than he's used to.

As much as Kindle has a load of promise, and I hope he can make a recovery and an impact on the field for the Ravens, there still remains a massive question mark over whether he will ever see the field at all.

If we move Kruger back to OLB and get Kindle back healthy and ready to play then I agree that our OLB depth is looking good, but so far there has been little indication that that's the case.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1307860732' post='695941']
Giving credit to the defense our Pass Rush is not that bad.
We have Kindle and Krugar who showed us in college and Krugar in the NFL that they can edge rush as good as any in this league. The fact still remain those guys are not going to start over Johnson and Suggs. That being said we have a damn good back up plan really helps us going into the season with talented wings on the D-line...
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"Krugar" has shown very little in the NFL and Kindle is still uncertain to even hit the field. We're hopeful, but uncertain nonetheless.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1307874468' post='695953']
As much as the verdict isn't final on him yet, Kruger has not proven to be as good an edge rusher as any in the league. He needs to be moved back to OLB because he's much better in space than playing 30lbs heavier than he's used to.

As much as Kindle has a load of promise, and I hope he can make a recovery and an impact on the field for the Ravens, there still remains a massive question mark over whether he will ever see the field at all.

If we move Kruger back to OLB and get Kindle back healthy and ready to play then I agree that our OLB depth is looking good, but so far there has been little indication that that's the case.
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I couldn't agree more, especially with Kruger. Kruger needs to be moved back to OLB and allowed to play in space. Then on obvious pass downs, you can move him down on the line and allow Kindle to rush from that OLB position, given you added pass rush. Even if he's cleared to play Kindle will probably be nothing more then just a pass rush specialist this season.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

How can anyone say Yanda isn't the number one priority out of that group?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1307850435' post='695921']
Carr isn't better than Wilson. He might have been more consistent last season but not only is Wilson more physical, [b]he's a better athlete too[/b].
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I'm not sure you can say Wilson is the better athlete, but I agree that he is definitely better in man coverage and he is faster. I also think he has much greater upside at this stage of their careers. Carr is solid against the #2 or slot, but Wilson has shown the ability to cover #1s.

As for most important player to resign, I have to go with Yanda. He is by far our most consistent O-lineman and he has the versatility to play at RG or RT. We need to lock him up long-term before we can worry about Gaither.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

as far as to resign yanda or gaither, I would have to say tackle for the fact that you can move guards around and it is not too bad, but moving a guard to tackle is huge. I would rather have oher/gaither at bookends with grubbs and birk solidifying the middle. Instead of having to kick out Yanda from guard to tackle because your still going to end up with somebody who is garbage at guard anyway, unless you think reid is a day one starter at RT. If not then you have to ask yourself who is better at tackle, Yanda or Gaither because that is probably how the roster would shake out now unless a FA is added. Yanda played taackle well enough for us not to get murded to badly but With gaither there woodley and harrison would not be game changers like they are now. Dont get me wrong I would like to have both back because then we have the best Oline in football.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1307895088' post='695983']
as far as to resign yanda or gaither, I would have to say tackle for the fact that you can move guards around and it is not too bad, but moving a guard to tackle is huge. I would rather have oher/gaither at bookends with grubbs and birk solidifying the middle. Instead of having to kick out Yanda from guard to tackle because your still going to end up with somebody who is garbage at guard anyway, unless you think reid is a day one starter at RT. If not then you have to ask yourself who is better at tackle, Yanda or Gaither because that is probably how the roster would shake out now unless a FA is added. Yanda played taackle well enough for us not to get murded to badly but With gaither there woodley and harrison would not be game changers like they are now. Dont get me wrong I would like to have both back because then we have the best Oline in football.
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Yanda played very well at Tackle last year, essentially erasing Woodley, and he is proven at Guard. Meanwhile Gaither excelled at Tackle [i]when he was healthy[/i]. Gaither in my mind hasnt shown enough to sign him long-term with his injuries and whining, Yanda has. If Jared can put together a stellar 11' season on a RFA tender than I am all for signing him, until then he isnt the top priority. Honestly though, I doubt we lock up Gaither after we just spent a 3rd round pick on Jah Reid who has excellent potential at RT and Oher has the ability to play LT. People seem to forget he haas only played LT for a year and a few games his rookie season. He still has room for improvement.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1307894295' post='695980']
[b]I'm not sure you can say Wilson is the better athle[/b], but I agree that he is definitely better in man coverage and he is faster. I also think he has much greater upside at this stage of their careers. Carr is solid against the #2 or slot, but Wilson has shown the ability to cover #1s.

As for most important player to resign, I have to go with Yanda. He is by far our most consistent O-lineman and he has the versatility to play at RG or RT. We need to lock him up long-term before we can worry about Gaither.
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Wilson is definitely a better athlete at this point in my opinion. Like you said, he's faster, he's stronger than his size would indicate(ask Joe Thomas) and seems better attacking the ball in the air.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[b][/b][quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1307897991' post='695993']
Yanda played very well at Tackle last year, essentially erasing Woodley, and he is proven at Guard. Meanwhile Gaither excelled at Tackle [i]when he was healthy[/i]. Gaither in my mind hasnt shown enough to sign him long-term with his injuries and whining, Yanda has. If Jared can put together a stellar 11' season on a RFA tender than I am all for signing him, until then he isnt the top priority. Honestly though, [b]I doubt we lock up Gaither after we just spent a 3rd round pick on Jah Reid who has excellent potential at RT and Oher has the ability to play LT.[/b] People seem to forget he haas only played LT for a year and a few games his rookie season. He still has room for improvement.
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Exactly how much do you think a rookie, 3rd round, RT is going to command for his contract. And do you think he could be a better RT than Oher was. If we can get gaither back think about it man, Gaither pro-bowl LT material, Ben Grubbs pro-bowler, Birk pro-bowler, Yanda pro-bowl RG material, pro-bowl RT material. I think that owuld be the most disgusting Oline in the league. That would afford Joe more time, RR more running Lanes. If we were to not resign gaither then we have a pro-bowl C & G, with yanda at RT he isnt going to be as dominant as Oher, so you really hurt your oline because Oher is a dominant LT (yet, hopefully will) Yanda is not a dominant RT, and cousins/chester/ or moll will not be a dominant G. So really you just damaged 3 parts of your line by letting 1 go and the resulting shuffle.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Oh and I know pro bowls arent the ONLY measure of talent but, if you make it you are regarded at least top 3 at your position.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Hard to choose between Carr and Wilson. While Wilson is more of a playmaker, Carr is more consistent and can play both out wide and in the nickel. I remember him out wide on opening day holding Braylon Edwards completely in check. I'm not sure how Wilson can do in the nickel, it might be a waste of his talents. Same thing with Foxworth, especially coming off of a year without football. Meanwhile, I keep reiterating the fact that I am not sold on this secondary if the pass rush does not improve.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1307889056' post='695966']
I couldn't agree more, especially with Kruger. Kruger needs to be moved back to OLB and allowed to play in space. Then on obvious pass downs, you can move him down on the line and allow Kindle to rush from that OLB position, given you added pass rush. Even if he's cleared to play Kindle will probably be nothing more then just a pass rush specialist this season.
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I think one of our defense's main strengths is that most of the starters are versatile and flexible, allowing us to line up in a number of different ways. I think this will be one of Chuck Pagano's main strategies to make use of when he takes control this season.

I could definitely accept Kindle being a third down pass rush specialist, we already have a lot of guys who are adept at stopping the run.

[Proxzyn]

Not sure why people can say Gaither is more important than Yanda. If Gaither is resigned and Yanda isn't, then we will be missing a starting guard on the line, or do you people want to see Chester signed over Yanda to replace him??.
If Yanda is resigned and Gaither isn't, then we would still have plenty of tackles that could step up. Harewood and Reid, in my opinion, is on par with Gaither right now, because we don't know where any of them are in terms of quality.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Proxzyn' timestamp='1307910422' post='696045']
Not sure why people can say Gaither is more important than Yanda. If Gaither is resigned and Yanda isn't, then we will be missing a starting guard on the line, or do you people want to see Chester signed over Yanda to replace him??.
If Yanda is resigned and Gaither isn't, then we would still have plenty of tackles that could step up. Harewood and Reid, in my opinion, is on par with Gaither right now, because we don't know where any of them are in terms of quality.
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Hold on now to say a rookie, and a second year tackle who are not the combination of size, strength, and nastiness is crazy. If they were this would not be a discussion because we would be talking about how well Harewood played LT last year. And if reality calls and Reid and Harewood are not as good as gaither (seriously doubt) then we have to move yanda to tackle anyway and then chester will be at guard anyway. And seriously man, if you think Harewood or Reid are going to be as good as Gaither or even Oher his rookie year, then I wish I could share your optimism.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Proxzyn' timestamp='1307910422' post='696045']
Not sure why people can say Gaither is more important than Yanda. If Gaither is resigned and Yanda isn't, then we will be missing a starting guard on the line, or do you people want to see Chester signed over Yanda to replace him??.
If Yanda is resigned and Gaither isn't, then we would still have plenty of tackles that could step up. Harewood and Reid, in my opinion, is on par with Gaither right now, because we don't know where any of them are in terms of quality.
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I agree with you that if it comes to a choice between Gaither and Yanda then I would prefer Yanda to be re-signed, but I definitely don't think that you could say Harewood or Reid are on a par with him. Gaither minus injuries is a LT of the highest caliber, whereas the other two are projects and better suited to the right side for now.

Like I said though, I would prefer Yanda back if it absolutely had to be a choice between them.

[Proxzyn]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1307910834' post='696047']
Hold on now to say a rookie, and a second year tackle who are not the combination of size, strength, and nastiness is crazy. If they were this would not be a discussion because we would be talking about how well Harewood played LT last year. And if reality calls and Reid and Harewood are not as good as gaither (seriously doubt) then we have to move yanda to tackle anyway and then chester will be at guard anyway. And seriously man, if you think Harewood or Reid are going to be as good as Gaither or even Oher his rookie year, then I wish I could share your optimism.
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I'll take Yanda at guard with Harewood or Reid at tackle over Chester at guard and an injury prone diva at tackle any day.

I never mentioned Reid or Harewood being as good as Gaither was, but none of us know anything about Gaithers condition right now, or if he's able to play at the same level he once did, or even play at all.
And I'm obviously talking RT only, or do you wanna move Yanda to LT now?

Harewood was also injured last, that's why we didn't see him at RT.

And we can't just say Gaither minus injuries, because his injury problems are a fact, and we have to take those into account.