Players We Need To Re-Sign

[hawkprey]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305822302' post='688432']
I'm not giving up on Webb, but I don't think he's going to be as good as many of us (myself included) initially thought.Although I do still think he can become a fine #2 type CB.As for Wilson, yeah I think a lot of us overrate him. But not by much. He earned his respect last season.
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Webb still has a lot to learn. Most of the plays he gave up were because of bad decisions, not physical inability. But he's become more of a playmaker with 2 INT/9 Pdef and a tipped pass that Ed later caught. Also recovered two fumbles and had a strip/sack in the KC game that got tuck (over-)ruled.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1305834567' post='688550']
no we were in zone coverage and johnson was ed reed's responsibility. reed went for the pick and missed and johnson caught the td
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That play was one of the more awkward things Ive ever seen Ed do....I was literally left scratching my head with that one.

[charchboii]

Ppl forget Todd heap is a free agent

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='charchboii' timestamp='1305843866' post='688649']
Ppl forget Todd heap is a free agent
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He's not. His contract expires next year.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1305840969' post='688613']
That play was one of the more awkward things Ive ever seen Ed do....I was literally left scratching my head with that one.
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It did look awkward, didn't it? I could almost understand Reed anticipating the scramble, but with the Texans being on the 46 with only 50 seconds to go, it was just a miscalculation. Especially since it was Matt Schaub closing in on the LOS. Not much damage he would've done as a runner.

[stopsizzle55]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1305840969' post='688613']
That play was one of the more awkward things Ive ever seen Ed do....I was literally left scratching my head with that one.
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haha yea that was a wierd play. but thats what you get with that play. because for every one of those, there's one going the other way

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305833103' post='688537']
Did you read the part where I said [b]"BASED ON LAST SEASON ALONE"?[/b]
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Wait, I just read your list of CBs who played "better" than Wilson last year. *barf*
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people overrate Wilson and no way was he a top 10 cb in the league hes good not very good or elite nor a top 10 cb in the league

who?
Haden didnt play better?
Reevis?
Aso?
Tramon Williams?
Woodson?
McCourty?
Asante Samuel?
Brent Grimes?
Talib?
Deangelo Hall?

just there alone are players who played better than Wilson,lol@ barf

Wilson is way overrated dont really know why, he played good for us down the scretch and i wouldnt mind signing him but u obviously considering him a top 10 cb on performance this year was very very generous

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305822302' post='688432']
I'm not giving up on Webb, but I don't think he's going to be as good as many of us (myself included) initially thought.Although I do still think he can become a fine #2 type CB.As for Wilson, yeah I think a lot of us overrate him. But not by much. He earned his respect last season.
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yes he earned some respectbut not enough to consider his play top 10 amongst all cornerbacks in the leagueif he expects a 7 to 10 million dollar contract for what he did last year id say bye bye and get Joseph from Cincy

[display name]

Resign/sign:
Fabian Washington
Chris Carr
Josh Wilson
Willis Mcgahee (if he takes a pay-cut)
Dawan Landry
Cary Williams
TJ. Houshmandzadeh
Tavares Gooden
Haloti Ngata
LeRon McClain
Josh Wilson
Jalen Parmele
Jared Gaither
All the draftees exept the 7th round RB
(and any other contributer I left out who's a FA)
Cut:
Donte Stallworth
James Hardy
Chycee Brown
Brandon Jones
Marc Bulger
Matt Lawrence
and maybe that RB we got in Round 7.

[BloodRaven]

I think we need to take a closer look at all our special teams teams linebackers clean house, it's time to get backups who have upside and/or rush.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305890256' post='688813']
people overrate Wilson and no way was he a top 10 cb in the league hes good not very good or elite nor a top 10 cb in the league
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[b]Deangelo Hall?

just there alone are players who played better than Wilson,lol@ barf[/b]

Wilson is way overrated dont really know why, he played good for us down the scretch and i wouldnt mind signing him but u obviously considering him a top 10 cb on performance this year was very very generous
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I agree Wilson isn't a top 10 CB but Hall is the definition of overrated and did [i]not[/i] play better than Josh last season. Want proof?

[url="http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010"]Link[/url]

[url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/20/cornerbacks-cover-snaps-count/"]Link[/url]
[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1305894874' post='688826']
I think we need to take a closer look at all our special teams teams linebackers clean house, it's time to get backups who have upside and/or rush.
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Good point. Burgess is a good special teamer but offers nothing defensively. Brendon Ayanbadejo is under contract but with he turns 35 this year. I'd rather see Albert McClellan or some other UDFA in his place.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1305906807' post='688877']
I agree Wilson isn't a top 10 CB but Hall is the definition of overrated and did [i]not[/i] play better than Josh last season. Want proof?

[url="http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010"]Link[/url]

[url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/20/cornerbacks-cover-snaps-count/"]Link[/url]


Good point. Burgess is a good special teamer but offers nothing defensively. Brendon Ayanbadejo is under contract but with he turns 35 this year. I'd rather see Albert McClellan or some other UDFA in his place.
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i didnt see anything but link link nothing appear

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[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305890256' post='688813']
people overrate Wilson and no way was he a top 10 cb in the league hes good not very good or elite nor a top 10 cb in the league

who?
Haden didnt play better?
Reevis?
Aso?
Tramon Williams?
Woodson?
McCourty?
Asante Samuel?
Brent Grimes?
Talib?
Deangelo Hall?

just there alone are players who played better than Wilson,lol@ barf

Wilson is way overrated dont really know why, he played good for us down the scretch and i wouldnt mind signing him but u obviously considering him a top 10 cb on performance this year was very very generous
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You haven't mentioned a single legitimate reason for why he's overrated. He's not the only one to rate Wilson's performance in 2010 as highly. ProFootballFocus.com states:

"A large part of the improved Ravens secondary was due to the trade for Josh Wilson. He allowed 46.9% of passes thrown his way to be caught [b]which left him as our fifth-ranked cornerback in the league.[/b]"

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/02/17/your-guide-to-free-agency-afc-north/

The article I posted in one of my previous replies stated:

"He was one of only eight corners with 400 or more snaps to have allowed less than 50% of passes his direction to be completed. Only one player bettered his 10 defensed passes and also allowed fewer receptions: Darrelle Revis."

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305908671' post='688889']
i didnt see anything but link link nothing appear
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You're actually supposed to click on the word "Link." It leads you to an article showing you the most burned Cornerbacks in the league. DeAngelo Hall was the 2nd most burned CB in the NFL. You're clearly just going off reputation, since you also mentioned Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who had an awful 2010 season compared to his previous years.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305915922' post='688944']
ah ok,well actually the first list i initially entered was just who i thought was better in general(misunderstood original post) and also Wilson played less games than Reevis?

and yes i was goin off reputation. and when i said Wilson is overrated it's because everyone thinks hes gonna get a huge contract for what he did? what has Wilson really done in his career besides that 10 game stretch i think it was? he played good but he wasnt top 10 and doesnt deserve top 10 money IMO now if u came back to us next year and had a killer year id consider a big contract until then hes being overrated for a 10 game performance
A team like Seattle who has CB problems to begin with trades him away for a 4 or 5th rounder? tells u something I hope the best for the guy but to think Wilson is gonna demand money i dont know we'll see
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I agree in essence with what you say about Wilson. I don't know whether he'll ask for said top 10 money though. Like you pointed out, he hasn't done anything to deserve it aside of last season, despite it being a pretty tremendous season considering what we paid to acquire him.

I sure hope he doesn't want big money, I really want to see him return and he definitely won't see that kind of paycheck here.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1305917306' post='688955']
I agree in essence with what you say about Wilson. I don't know whether he'll ask for said top 10 money though. Like you pointed out, he hasn't done anything to deserve it aside of last season, despite it being a pretty tremendous season considering what we paid to acquire him.

I sure hope he doesn't want big money, I really want to see him return and he definitely won't see that kind of paycheck here.
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yes i doub he will ask for it but i really pointed that out because it seemsl ike people are assuming hes gonna get big money.Id love him here he played solid best of his career and the best CB WE HAD LAST YEAR but when u got teams like the Texans they might overpay him due to their atrocious secondary that might be a possibility

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305917736' post='688959']
yes i doub he will ask for it but i really pointed that out because [b]it seemsl ike people are assuming hes gonna get big money.[/b]Id love him here he played solid best of his career and the best CB WE HAD LAST YEAR but when u got teams like the Texans they might overpay him due to their atrocious secondary that might be a possibility
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I'm not. Ever since the team drafted Jimmy, I've been resigned to the fact that Wilson probably won't be re-signed.

Corner is a valued position and a 26-year old one coming off a very good season is going to warrant serious looks on the open market.

[Militant X 1]

Wilson played well even though he joined us late. and kept us in the playoff hunt with that OT INT against the Texans....in Houston! give the man his props. make him a Raven...bring him back!

~Mili

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[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305915922' post='688944']
ah ok,well actually the first list i initially entered was just who i thought was better in general(misunderstood original post) and also Wilson played less games than Reevis?

and yes i was goin off reputation. and when i said Wilson is overrated it's because everyone thinks hes gonna get a huge contract for what he did? what has Wilson really done in his career besides that 10 game stretch i think it was? he played good but he wasnt top 10 and doesnt deserve top 10 money IMO now if u came back to us next year and had a killer year id consider a big contract until then hes being overrated for a 10 game performance
A team like Seattle who has CB problems to begin with trades him away for a 4 or 5th rounder? tells u something I hope the best for the guy but to think Wilson is gonna demand money i dont know we'll see
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Actually, Wilson played in more games than Revis, at least when it comes to the regular season. He was active in 14 compared to Revis' 13. Although he started 9 of them officially, I'd chalk up the Bills game as a start, given that Fabian was benched before the end of the first half. PFF was counting by snaps, and each CB played over 400 snaps. Obviously counting the Playoffs, he's seen action in 16 games, with 12 starts. It's certainly not just a 10 game stretch.

In all honesty, I don't see him demanding an unreasonable salary. How much have you heard about him in the media? You likely haven't. If he was in the situation of CB Stanford Routt, performing well under an owner willing to throw money at any successful player, it would be a bit more plausible. Frankly, I don't see him making more than $4 million per year. Pete Carrol's personnel moves tell me absolutely nothing. They gave up a 3rd round selection for Charlie Whitehurst, who was hapless in 2010. But I'd probably be right in assuming that a number of people were making the same point, that it's an indication of sorts. I completely understand that you'd like to see consistency for more than a years time before granting him a substantial contract. But contrary to one of your prior comments, Wilson was solid in Seattle. In fact, he graded out as their best CB by far in 2009. Also, another quote from that same article states that, "In his time with Seattle, Wilson saw his numbers improve to the point that he gave up just a 73.1 QB rating when targeted in 2009." I was a fan of his during his last year in Seattle, so I was glad to see him brought on board. Although personally I think he'll be in limbo, rankings wise, until after his 2011 performance. However, that still doesn't erase the fact that he was terrific down the stretch.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305918338' post='688964']
Actually, Wilson played in more games than Revis, at least when it comes to the regular season. He was active in 14 compared to Revis' 13. Although he started 9 of them officially, I'd chalk up the Bills game as a start, given that Fabian was benched before the end of the first half. PFF was counting by snaps, and each CB played over 400 snaps. Obviously counting the Playoffs, he's seen action in 16 games, with 12 starts. It's certainly not just a 10 game stretch.

In all honesty, I don't see him demanding an unreasonable salary. How much have you heard about him in the media? You likely haven't. If he was in the situation of CB Stanford Routt, performing well under an owner willing to throw money at any successful player, it would be a bit more plausible. Frankly, I don't see him making more than $4 million per year. Pete Carrol's personnel moves tell me absolutely nothing. They gave up a 3rd round selection for Charlie Whitehurst, who was hapless in 2010. But I'd probably be right in assuming that a number of people were making the same point, that it's an indication of sorts. I completely understand that you'd like to see consistency for more than a years time before granting him a substantial contract. But contrary to one of your prior comments, Wilson was solid in Seattle. In fact, he graded out as their best CB by far in 2009. Also, another quote from that same article states that, "In his time with Seattle, Wilson saw his numbers improve to the point that he gave up just a 73.1 QB rating when targeted in 2009." I was a fan of his during his last year in Seattle, so I was glad to see him brought on board. Although personally I think he'll be in limbo, rankings wise, until after his 2011 performance. However, that still doesn't erase the fact that he was terrific down the stretch.
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no my comment wasnt implying Wilson wanted more money its some people here thinks hes going to want the big bucks which is what i was responding too,also a 3rd round trade for a qb is a bit different especially figuring the qb state in the Seahawk organization.

Wilson has never been a very good player in this league before that stint he had with us, i thought he started 10 games?

Also being the best CB on the seahawks for one year? isnt really anything that stands out for him lol i mean i looked at his career numbers at seattle and it didnt stand out to me.

Now am I a Wilson hater? of course not my brother actually took 2 classes in college with Wilson and knew him while he was goin to school in UMD,I hope he becomes a stud in the league but i wont label him a great cb as of yet.

But Seattle not having really anybody at CB why trade him? im not askin this to prove a point, im actually curious to know,just seems odd.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305919038' post='688971']<br />no my comment wasnt implying Wilson  wanted more money its some people here thinks hes  going to  want the big bucks which is what i  was responding too,also a 3rd round trade for a qb is a bit different especially figuring the qb state in the Seahawk organization.<br /><br />Wilson has never been  a very good player in this league before that stint he had with us, i thought he started 10 games?<br /><br />Also being the best CB on the seahawks for one year? isnt really anything that stands out for him lol i mean i looked at his career numbers  at seattle and it didnt stand out to me.<br /><br />Now am I a Wilson hater? of course not my brother actually took 2 classes in college with Wilson  and  knew him while he was goin to school in UMD,I  hope he becomes a stud in the league but  i wont label him a great cb  as of yet.<br /><br />But Seattle not having really anybody at CB why  trade him? im not askin this to prove a point, im actually curious to know,just seems odd.<br />[/quote]

actually Seattle was very happy with their CB situation, they felt Wilson was expendable despite his great work on ST for them.

What boggles my mind is that many people thought Wilson was a player waiting to break out, especially the folks in Seattle.

Their loss is our gain..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305917736' post='688959']
yes i doub he will ask for it but i really pointed that out because it seemsl ike people are assuming hes gonna get big money.Id love him here he played solid best of his career and the best CB WE HAD LAST YEAR but when u got teams like the Texans they might overpay him due to their atrocious secondary that might be a possibility
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Yeah, a desperate team willing to throw money at him so that he joins them will probably be the most likely way that he gets so much money.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305919038' post='688971']
no my comment wasnt implying Wilson wanted more money its some people here thinks hes going to want the big bucks which is what i was responding too,also a 3rd round trade for a qb is a bit different especially figuring the qb state in the Seahawk organization.

Wilson has never been a very good player in this league before that stint he had with us, i thought he started 10 games?

Also being the best CB on the seahawks for one year? isnt really anything that stands out for him lol i mean i looked at his career numbers at seattle and it didnt stand out to me.

Now am I a Wilson hater? of course not my brother actually took 2 classes in college with Wilson and knew him while he was goin to school in UMD,I hope he becomes a stud in the league but i wont label him a great cb as of yet.

But Seattle not having really anybody at CB why trade him? im not askin this to prove a point, im actually curious to know,just seems odd.
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How would the Whitehurst trade be different? Trading a 3rd rounder for a QB who hasn't thrown a pass in 4 years doesn't make it more plausible just because of their QB situation. Charlie was a 3rd round selection, and proved nothing in San Diego to be even worthy of his original spot. It's not as if he was a former 1st round pick riding the pine behind Rivers, waiting for his time to shine.

Finishing with a grade at least than 6 times higher than his much more highly regarded Marcus Trufant in 2009 doesn't stand out? Well then. I'd also point out that he was their highest graded CB in 2008, but you'll probably disregard this as well. Are you honestly judging him by looking at his stat sheet compared to a combined grade of his performances on every single play? That's completely ignorant. It's like saying that although Nnamdi Asomugha was incredible in coverage, he was didn't stand out because he's only amassed 3 INTs in 4 seasons. Granted that I'm obviously not comparing the two, but I've made my point. And aside from that, Wilson's 6 INTs, 2 sacks and 3 TDs in 2 years don't exactly scream average. So why wasn't Wilson very good? Because his name wasn't seen much in the media? It'd be fair to assume that you've never watched him in Seattle, so how you can make this assessment so confidently is mind boggling.

You may not wish to come off as a Wilson hater, but if I haven't read these words, I would've assumed otherwise, since you've been bashing him in your last several posts.

It does seem odd, but so do a number of their decisions.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305921517' post='689003']
,

actually Seattle was very happy with their CB situation, they felt Wilson was expendable despite his great work on ST for them.

What boggles my mind is that many people thought Wilson was a player waiting to break out, especially the folks in Seattle.

Their loss is our gain..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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in 2008 their pass defense allowed almost 260 yards game and ranked 32nd in the nfl how could they be happy with anyone in their secondary? and also 30th in 2009 i bet they were happy lol

[Bltravens]

I heard it was because Seattle wanted to get bigger at cornerback, and ol Pete was excited about Thurmond and his potential is what made Wilson expendable. They werent going to get rid of Trufant, so Wilson was the guy.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305921728' post='689006']
How would the Whitehurst trade be different? Trading a 3rd rounder for a QB who hasn't thrown a pass in 4 years doesn't make it more plausible just because of their QB situation. Charlie was a 3rd round selection, and proved nothing in San Diego to be even worthy of his original spot. It's not as if he was a former 1st round pick riding the pine behind Rivers, waiting for his time to shine.

Finishing with a grade at least than 6 times higher than his much more highly regarded Marcus Trufant in 2009 doesn't stand out? Well then. I'd also point out that he was their highest graded CB in 2008, but you'll probably disregard this as well. Are you honestly judging him by looking at his stat sheet compared to a combined grade of his performances on every single play? That's completely ignorant. It's like saying that although Nnamdi Asomugha was incredible in coverage, he was didn't stand out because he's only amassed 3 INTs in 4 seasons. Granted that I'm obviously not comparing the two, but I've made my point. And aside from that, Wilson's 6 INTs, 2 sacks and 3 TDs in 2 years don't exactly scream average. So why wasn't Wilson very good? Because his name wasn't seen much in the media? It'd be fair to assume that you've never watched him in Seattle, so how you can make this assessment so confidently is mind boggling.

You may not wish to come off as a Wilson hater, but if I haven't read these words, I would've assumed otherwise, since you've been bashing him in your last several posts.

It does seem odd, but so do a number of their decisions.
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Wilson is average/good at most not very good the 3 tds is good from what u mentioned the rest is average as far as the "stats" ur now mentioning,in 2008 there pass coverage was one of the worst in the nfl so i wouldnt take too much value in that hes not a very good player lol and i could care less what u thought as far as me being a Wilson hater because u seem like his cheerleader.
Yes the QB situation is quite different and the position is much more valuable than CB,so maybe Caroll saw something he liked in Charlie and figured he'd take a chance to me the position alone makes it different and especially the situation the Seahawks were in.
AND SERIOUSLY WHEN HAVE I BASHED HIM? I NEVER SAID HE SUCKED BECAUSE I DONT AGREE WITH U IM BASHING HIM?

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1305922245' post='689010']
I heard it was because Seattle wanted to get bigger at cornerback, and ol Pete was excited about Thurmond and his potential is what made Wilson expendable. They werent going to get rid of Trufant, so Wilson was the guy.
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oh ok thanks! was wondering why they would trade away their best CB on their alrdy horrendous secondary

[SpeedKills]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305922438' post='689011']
Wilson is average/good at most not very good the 3 tds is good from what u mentioned the rest is average as far as the "stats" ur now mentioning,in 2008 there pass coverage was one of the worst in the nfl so i wouldnt take too much value in that hes not a very good player lol and i could care less what u thought as far as me being a Wilson hater because u seem like his cheerleader.
Yes the QB situation is quite different and the position is much more valuable than CB,so maybe Caroll saw something he liked in Charlie and figured he'd take a chance to me the position alone makes it different and especially the situation the Seahawks were in.
[b]AND SERIOUSLY WHEN HAVE I BASHED HIM? I NEVER SAID HE SUCKED BECAUSE I DONT AGREE WITH U IM BASHING HIM?[/b]
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Firstly, you come off as a bit of Wilson hater since you're basically downplaying the HUGE impact he had on our D. So, yes, you have bashed him by selling him short, even if it wasn't intentional. Secondly, why are you trying to disprove facts? No, not by talent and recognition, he's not the best CB in the league. Not by a long shot. But he's one of the more impactful CBs in the league, especially for us.

[wayne]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1305922245' post='689010']
I heard it was because Seattle wanted to get bigger at cornerback, and ol Pete was excited about Thurmond and his potential is what made Wilson expendable. They werent going to get rid of Trufant, so Wilson was the guy.
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.....and that still makes no sense. If you 5'3 or 6'10, if you getting the job done, you getting the job done. My assesment of Wilson is that we overrate him but he's decent/good and for him to demand any type of big money from us, he would have to play more than 10 games to do so.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='SpeedKills' timestamp='1305923269' post='689018']
Firstly, you come off as a bit of Wilson hater since you're basically downplaying the HUGE impact he had on our D. So, yes, you have bashed him selling him short, even if it wasn't intentional. And of course you're not bashing Wilson because you disagree with Truth.
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uh no im not downplaying what he did for our team i alrdy said he was our best CBlol is that scretch of games gonna make me call him a very good player in the NFL? no thats not bashing him thats my opinion. me not considering him a top 10 cb in the league>? not bashing him its an opinion, i have said plenty of times id love to have him back here and that he was our best CB i dont think thats downplaying him

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1305923318' post='689019']
.....and that still makes no sense. If you 5'3 or 6'10, if you getting the job done, you getting the job done. My assesment of Wilson is that we overrate him but he's decent/good and for him to demand any type of big money from us, he would have to play more than 10 games to do so.
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I agree with ur accessment 100 percent!