Players We Need To Re-Sign

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1305600748' post='687321']
I don't see why Zibby couldn't transition to SS. Donte Whitner and Quintin Mikell are capable run stopping FAs too.
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Zibby is a worse tackler than Landry, and he'll need to learn how to diagnose run plays the way Landry does. It's a big if. Whitner and Mikell don't know the system yet and are not as good. What is it with this board that I keep having to defend Landry?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1305601454' post='687325']
Zibby is a worse tackler than Landry, and he'll need to learn how to diagnose run plays the way Landry does. It's a big if. Whitner and Mikell don't know the system yet and are not as good. What is it with this board that I keep having to defend Landry?
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Good points. However, I still don't see how the run D goes if Dawan goes. He's good at stopping the run but not irreplaceable.

[flynismo]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1305599989' post='687314']<br />Oh yeah, who's going to replace Landry? Nakamura? He's way too light to make the 100+ tackles Landry does in one season.<br /><br /><br /><br />Are you implying pass defense is somehow related to run defense? Because I said Landry is great in run support and those are passing plays.<br />[/quote]


if we let Landry left via FA, I'd assume we're bringing in a FA to replace him. Maybe the stronger, faster version of Landry (Whitner)?

Or maybe Zibby.

I don't see Landry as some indispensible player that cant be replaced.
I mean, I can see someone saying our run defense would collapse if we let Ngata walk or Ray retired (still pretty questionable to say an entire aspect of our defense would be horrid over the loss of one player), but Landry isn't that good.

[Thepurplehaze]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1305593171' post='687265']
White pushed off of Wilson at least twice that game. And I mean White is a freak athlete and a number 1 receiver. Not some 3rd string or 2nd string running back like Redman and Snelling
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Wilson is small and horribly overrated on this board. I think he's an average corner..which isn't bad for the Ravens at this point, but not worth the price he'll probably end up getting (from someone). Landry is the better overall athlete and is more important to this organization.

[flynismo]

I think people here overrate Wilson too (and underestimate Foxworth), but he is far from average. He's very good. Based on last year only, I'd put him in the top 10 or so cornerbacks of last season.

[Alexir]

Wilson was the 5th best corner rated by Pro Football Focus last season. That's not average. He is better than 59 other starting corners and only 4 corners are ahead of him.

If I were Ozzie I would keep Wilson and let Fallsworth walk.

[url="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4229/josh-wilson"]http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4229/josh-wilson[/url]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1305602810' post='687335']&lt;br /&gt;Wilson was the 5th best corner rated by Pro Football Focus last season. That's not average. He is better than 59 other starting corners and only 4 corners are ahead of him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I were Ozzie I would keep Wilson and let Fallsworth walk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4229/josh-wilson' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'&gt;http://www.rotoworld...229/josh-wilson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[/quote]<br /><br />I dont feel like reading a whole article; do they give stats for their rankings, or is Mel Kiper the author of that article?<br />Mr. Wilson played very well last year, at least top 10, but top 5 sounds pretty high.

[berad]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1305601454' post='687325']
Zibby is a worse tackler than Landry, and he'll need to learn how to diagnose run plays the way Landry does. It's a big if. Whitner and Mikell don't know the system yet and are not as good. What is it with this board that I keep having to defend Landry?
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A lot of people don't like Landry. You'd think a 5th-rounder who's earned and had to fight for his starter position, year after year, would merit a little bit of fan-fare. I like Landry, he has his flaws, but he's solid and one of the better SS in the league.

Someone once said he had no heart

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1305588690' post='687221']
You should check your inbox again... Wilson got burned on the play by a bigger, stronger Roddy White.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvC4wPzI8w&feature=related
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Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression that he was blatantly pushed down in a none call so atrocious that even Peter King called out the officiating crew. Brilliance. Any other insightful remarks?

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1305602273' post='687333']
Wilson is small and horribly overrated on this board. I think he's an average corner..which isn't bad for the Ravens at this point, but not worth the price he'll probably end up getting (from someone). Landry is the better overall athlete and is more important to this organization.
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Landry is a better athlete than Josh Wilson? That's a joke. Wilson was terrific down the stretch, so how he's horribly overrated is beyond me. But I appreciate the facts to support that well-researched opinion.

"A large part of the improved Ravens secondary was due to the trade for Josh Wilson. He allowed 46.9% of passes thrown his way to be caught which left him as our fifth-ranked cornerback in the league."

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/02/17/your-guide-to-free-agency-afc-north/

[stopsizzle55]

landry was the worst biggest liability in our defense last year. he is not very good in pass coverage and now has shown he can't even tackle anyone. i.e. snelling in atlanta and redman vs pitt. did you see what wilson did against andre johnson for 3 quarters? he completely shut him down until we went into our three man rush prevent d and let andre put some numbers up. wilson is so much more important than landry.

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1305610232' post='687360']
landry was the worst biggest liability in our defense last year. he is not very good in pass coverage and now has shown he can't even tackle anyone. i.e. snelling in atlanta and redman vs pitt. did you see what wilson did against andre johnson for 3 quarters? he completely shut him down until we went into our three man rush prevent d and let andre put some numbers up. wilson is so much more important than landry.
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WOW.........WOW just WOW, are you kidding me? Landry lays hits, big time hits, he is a game changer, he might be the most important free agent we need to bring back, he never misses tackles, and he has better hands than Derrick Mason, the only person more important to our secondary is Chris Carr, or perhaps Chykie Brown. But don't count Landry's impact out just because he arrives at the ball carrier or receiver seconds after they have already been tackled, or because he consistently gets run over by running backs, or is busy getting burnt by Brandon Lloyd or even Jimmy Graham, what you don't realize is Landry is getting in their heads, without Landry we might as well kiss our shot at the superbowl goodbye.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305623520' post='687386']<br />WOW.........WOW just WOW, are you kidding me? Landry lays hits, big time hits, he is a game changer, he might be the most important free agent we need to bring back, he never misses tackles, and he has better hands than Derrick Mason, the only person more important to our secondary is Chris Carr, or perhaps Chykie Brown.  But don't count Landry's impact out just because he arrives at the ball carrier or receiver seconds after they have already been tackled, or because he consistently gets run over by running backs, or is busy getting burnt by Brandon Lloyd or even Jimmy Graham, what you don't realize is Landry is getting in their heads, without Landry we might as well kiss our shot at the superbowl goodbye.<br />[/quote]

haha you had me for a second, I was sitting here cussing you out until I got to the part about Carr..,,,,

[BloodRaven]

Trenches first, Ngata and Yanda have to take priority, Gaither if possible.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305579771' post='687122']
Is nhata related to Haloti Ngata? If so, lets get him, having two of them on the line would be sick...Forget Wilson. He'll cost too much, and we already have Smith, Foxy and Webb.Carr would be nice if we can get him in the $2M range, else let him walk too.Honestly, given the situation of certain players, I think this is a year that we should hang back and see what FA lands us.
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We should also keep truck and bike!

[lowrider]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305623520' post='687386']
WOW.........WOW just WOW, are you kidding me? Landry lays hits, big time hits, he is a game changer, he might be the most important free agent we need to bring back, [b]he never misses tackles[/b], and he has better hands than Derrick Mason, the only person more important to our secondary is Chris Carr, or perhaps Chykie Brown. But don't count Landry's impact out just because he arrives at the ball carrier or receiver seconds after they have already been tackled, or because he consistently gets run over by running backs, or is busy getting burnt by Brandon Lloyd or even Jimmy Graham, what you don't realize is Landry is getting in their heads, without Landry we might as well kiss our shot at the superbowl goodbye.
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Landry's tackling is inconsistent at best in my opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOKEF0RKZg

You will see a pass from Big Ben to number 33, Isaac Redmen, and Landry is trailing him and makes a dreadful "tackle attempt" if thats what you want to call it. That was the game winning td. It was 3rd and goal and we were up 4. Landry makes that tackle, which he should have, then they are on the 6 yard line and have to decide on fourth down whether or not to go for it.

Granted that is one highlight, but Landry missed a countless number of tackles that should have been made. He would go for an armtackle when he should have gone low, or he wouldn't be able to wrap them up. And his football instincts aren't anything to brag about. I'd much rather see what Zibby or Nakamura got at this point and see what they have.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1305641357' post='687423']
Landry's tackling is inconsistent at best in my opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOKEF0RKZg

You will see a pass from Big Ben to number 33, Isaac Redmen, and Landry is trailing him and makes a dreadful "tackle attempt" if thats what you want to call it. That was the game winning td. It was 3rd and goal and we were up 4. Landry makes that tackle, which he should have, then they are on the 6 yard line and have to decide on fourth down whether or not to go for it.

Granted that is one highlight, but Landry missed a countless number of tackles that should have been made. He would go for an armtackle when he should have gone low, or he wouldn't be able to wrap them up. And his football instincts aren't anything to brag about. I'd much rather see what Zibby or Nakamura got at this point and see what they have.
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I think dude was being sarcastic .....I mean, he did mention Chykie being one if the most important pieces of our defensive back field

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1305602127' post='687331']
Good points. However, I still don't see how the run D goes if Dawan goes. He's good at stopping the run but not irreplaceable.
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Well I said "There goes the run defense", but I didn't mean we'd sink to last in run D all of the sudden. But Landry has been a key contributer to the run and he's a big factor in containing the rush on the outside. Our LBs are too slow and our CBs are blocked a lot (as many CBs are, no corner can hold the edge on his own).

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305602170' post='687332']
if we let Landry left via FA, I'd assume we're bringing in a FA to replace him. Maybe the stronger, faster version of Landry (Whitner)?

Or maybe Zibby.

I don't see Landry as some indispensible player that cant be replaced.
I mean, I can see someone saying our run defense would collapse if we let Ngata walk or Ray retired (still pretty questionable to say an entire aspect of our defense would be horrid over the loss of one player), but Landry isn't that good.
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As I said before, Zibby or a FA acquisition would have to learn the defense and how to diagnose plays in our scheme. They'd have to learn the secondary and how to complement Ed Reed. I don't think any player out there is a better fit for the team, and for one thing Landry IS one of the valuable free agents at safety.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1305610232' post='687360']
landry was the worst biggest liability in our defense last year. he is not very good in pass coverage and now has shown he can't even tackle anyone. i.e. snelling in atlanta and redman vs pitt. did you see what wilson did against andre johnson for 3 quarters? he completely shut him down until we went into our three man rush prevent d and let andre put some numbers up. wilson is so much more important than landry.
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Not gonna comment on Wilson because I agree, but I've been standing up for Landry so here goes.

Dawan gave up some plays in coverage, but if you'll notice, those plays were before Ed came back. In the first few weeks Dawan had to fill in for Zibby's lack of coverage skills and he got burned. Because he was covering guys he wasn't supposed to. Once Ed came back, only two plays (mentioned many times here) have come back to haunt him. One was a busted coverage, one was a missed tackle, and he wasn't the only one to miss on that play. Aside from those plays Dawan has been VERY solid.

[lowrider]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1305646846' post='687465']
I think dude was being sarcastic .....I mean, he did mention Chykie being one if the most important pieces of our defensive back field
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yeah.... I'm not proud of the fact I didn't pickup on the sarcasm..... Good thing I have you clean up on mistakes.

[stopsizzle55]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1305649905' post='687477']
Not gonna comment on Wilson because I agree, but I've been standing up for Landry so here goes.

Dawan gave up some plays in coverage, but if you'll notice, those plays were before Ed came back. In the first few weeks Dawan had to fill in for Zibby's lack of coverage skills and he got burned. Because he was covering guys he wasn't supposed to. Once Ed came back, only two plays (mentioned many times here) have come back to haunt him. One was a busted coverage, one was a missed tackle, and he wasn't the only one to miss on that play. Aside from those plays Dawan has been VERY solid.
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there are many other times when he has missed tackles but they have not been big enough to note. as a strong safety the inability to bring down a second string running back when you are fully wrapped around him is inexcusable. third down, biggest regular season game and you cant bring him down. he made some nice plays last year, i mean he has to he's on the field every defensive play. but i just dont think hes the same after the neck injury. he needs to go. give zibby a chance

[Bltravens]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1305649905' post='687477']
Not gonna comment on Wilson because I agree, but I've been standing up for Landry so here goes.

Dawan gave up some plays in coverage, but if you'll notice, those plays were before Ed came back. In the first few weeks Dawan had to fill in for Zibby's lack of coverage skills and he got burned. Because he was covering guys he wasn't supposed to. Once Ed came back, only two plays (mentioned many times here) have come back to haunt him. One was a busted coverage, one was a missed tackle, and he wasn't the only one to miss on that play. Aside from those plays Dawan has been VERY solid.
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The TD to Lloyd was a basic cov 2 if I recall correctly and Landry just didn't flip his hips and run. I remember Wilson releasing Lloyd after like 8 yards.

[flynismo]

Funny enough, I like Landry more for his occasional clutch INT than his run support.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1305660199' post='687540']
there are many other times when he has missed tackles but they have not been big enough to note. as a strong safety the inability to bring down a second string running back when you are fully wrapped around him is inexcusable. third down, biggest regular season game and you cant bring him down. he made some nice plays last year, i mean he has to he's on the field every defensive play. but i just dont think hes the same after the neck injury. he needs to go. give zibby a chance
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Not only is Zibby not a strong safety, he's had a chance. Landry is the clear starter. You don't get to be 2nd on the team in tackles and 3rd among DBs because you're a bad tackler.

[wayne]

Seriously fellas, a person we need to resign beside the obvious is Stallworth. God forbid if anything were to happen to Torrey and we would be back to square 1 with a bunch of possesion WRs ( assuming Cam finally utilizes his speed players like I feel he will this year instead of using them only for reverses ). Also, Stallworth and Smith supposely has a good coneection with each other and who better to show Smith the wropes as far as beating their defender deep.

[lowrider]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1305690865' post='687799']
Seriously fellas, a person we need to resign beside the obvious is Stallworth. God forbid if anything were to happen to Torrey and we would be back to square 1 with a bunch of possesion WRs ( assuming Cam finally utilizes his speed players like I feel he will this year instead of using them only for reverses ). Also, Stallworth and Smith supposely has a good coneection with each other and who better to show Smith the wropes as far as beating their defender deep.
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Stallworth? He didn't do anything. And when he did play he just made bad mistakes. I totally disagree. And he was irrelevant on special teams. I mean he wouldn't cost anything to resign him because no one would want him. But he didn't prove to be anything special with other teams, and he didn't prove to be anything special with us unfortunately.

I think we need to resign:

1. McClain (I think he would be worth being the highest paid fullback. He adds another element to our offense when he plays)
2. Yanda (much better at guard than tackle. He is an elite run blocker at guard and it would be huge for our line to bring him back to that position)
3. Gaither (If we can resign him, and he stays healthy, then that solidifies our line and that is no longer our weakest position anymore. I just don't think Jah Reid is the answer. At least now.)


Ngata is already franchised tagged.

Landry isn't really that important of a resign in my opinion. If we can get him back for cheap then cool, but if he leaves, I wouldn't be heartbroken.

I think Yanda and McClain have a very good chance of returning. I think Gaither will actually return too. It only makes sense in my mind. I don't see any other teams investing a lot of money into Gaither who has a lot of question marks around him. I think we would be willing to give him the most money and OT/oline is our biggest hole right now.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1305676825' post='687695']
Funny enough, I like Landry more for his occasional clutch INT than his run support.
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He would have to actually intercept a ball to return it...

[wayne]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1305692164' post='687803']
Stallworth? He didn't do anything. And when he did play he just made bad mistakes. I totally disagree. And he was irrelevant on special teams. I mean he wouldn't cost anything to resign him because no one would want him. But he didn't prove to be anything special with other teams, and he didn't prove to be anything special with us unfortunately.

I think we need to resign:

1. McClain (I think he would be worth being the highest paid fullback. He adds another element to our offense when he plays)
2. Yanda (much better at guard than tackle. He is an elite run blocker at guard and it would be huge for our line to bring him back to that position)
3. Gaither (If we can resign him, and he stays healthy, then that solidifies our line and that is no longer our weakest position anymore. I just don't think Jah Reid is the answer. At least now.)


Ngata is already franchised tagged.

Landry isn't really that important of a resign in my opinion. If we can get him back for cheap then cool, but if he leaves, I wouldn't be heartbroken.

I think Yanda and McClain have a very good chance of returning. I think Gaither will actually return too. It only makes sense in my mind. I don't see any other teams investing a lot of money into Gaither who has a lot of question marks around him. I think we would be willing to give him the most money and OT/oline is our biggest hole right now.
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He didn't do anything b/c he wasn't utilize and what dumb mistakes did he make? If Torey Smith were to get injured we would be without someone who could really stretch the field. Did you watch the Ravens games last season and how many games did you watch?

[lowrider]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1305692712' post='687806']
He didn't do anything b/c he wasn't utilize and what dumb mistakes did he make? If Torey Smith were to get injured we would be without someone who could really stretch the field. Did you watch the Ravens games last season and how many games did you watch?
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I watched every single game. And Stallworth failed to stretch the field at all when he played. And I saw a couple times he had holding penalties or some other mental mistake. I think it was just nerves because he didn't get much playing time and isn't his fault altogether. But it still doesn't mean I trust him when he goes out there.

And just a question: If he was never on the field, how do you know that he is such an amazing talent to stretch the field. Fast doesn't always mean he is a legitimate threat. People gotta fear you in general to get space on the long routes. No team ever fears Stallworth. He never got above 1000 yards in his career. Just because he is a Ravens doesn't mean he is gonna be a star. Dressing up a pig still makes it a pig

Coaches would have played him if they believed in him. Even players like Ellerbe who was originally in the doghouse, played himself out to an extent. Stallworth isn't in the doghouse. He was just irrelevant.

Injuries are gonna happen. Teams just gotta pray for some health. But I'd rather get someone who is going to impact our team, over getting Stallworth who has a nice 40 time.

[Militant X 1]

i would like to see Wilson stay.

~Mili