Profootballfocus - Pressure Reveals(Qb)

[atljbo]

[size="4"][url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/16/pressure-reveals/]Pressure Reveals [/url][/size]

[b]Grading[/b]

So now we come to our final breakdown. Grading. We pride ourselves on our ability to apply our set of standards to every play and grade objectively and we’ve got some grades here for when QB’s were pressured. This won’t just look into their ability to throw since we grade on a number of facets of each play (when they hold onto the ball too long, etc.). It encompasses quite a lot and explains why we’re so high on certain players.

[size=large][b]PFF Grades When Pressured[/b][/size]

[img]http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k580/RadicalJ7/PressureReveals-GradePressured.jpg[/img]

[berad]

Why do they need to "grade" when they already have an entirely objective factor [i](QB Rating)[/i] that would be more than suitable. Don't understand how a guy with a 52 rating against the blitz is the 8th best against pressure.

[justifythegame]

Great post, that was a good read.

From what I gather Flacco is basically middle of the pack in every category. Which is consistant of where i rank him among NFL QBs, which is why i through a fit when a lot people start calling Flacco "elite".

Also i suggest you post a link to the article since berad just deleted most of it...its an interesting read

[berad]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1305561227' post='686989']
Great post, that was a good read.

From what I gather Flacco is basically middle of the pack in every category. Which is consistant of where i rank him among NFL QBs, which is why i through a fit when a lot people start calling Flacco "elite".

[b]Also i suggest you post a link to the article since berad just deleted most of it...its an interesting read
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The link is at the top of the post, it's a hyperlink.

[atljbo]

berad mybad... I didnt know a poster cant post the whole article

[Suggs Package]

Another thing to note is that Flacco is the 2nd most blitzed QB in the NFL as he gets blitzed on about 50% of passing plays http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/12/beating-the-blitz/ and yet he's 17th in pressure percentage. Maybe our offensive line didn't sux in pass protection as much after all.

Anyway, Flacco needs to learn how to throw the ball away.

[berad]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1305562826' post='687000']
berad mybad... I didnt know a poster cant post the whole article
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No biggie, just copyright issues that could arise. From our [color="#0000FF"][url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]Code of Conduct[/url][/color]...

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I just tried to get the final, most important, portion of the article in. You can substitute it for another portion, but we can't post the whole thing.

[hawkprey]

Yeah see, this is just a cushy Matt Ryan statistic. Pressure is different for every quarterback.

Under a good O-line, pressure comes after a decent amount of time, when the QB already knows where he's going to throw. Under a bad Ravens O-line, pressure comes right away before your receivers get open.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Being presented with these figures makes no difference to me, I've long felt Flacco is at his worst when he's flustered and has to improvise and get out of the pocket, which he had to do a lot of last year.

That coupled with little separation from the WRs (I won't elaborate here...) last year led to a lot of bad plays.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Raise your hand if you think the Quarterback position is way over-measured. At the end of the day he's won more games than most NFL quarterbacks ever will, in only 3 years he's become the best QB the Ravens have ever had. Enough said. Who cares if he's "elite" who cares if everyone says he's better than matt ryan or not? numbers-wise at the end of the day they are pretty darn close. One may have SLIGHTLY better numbers, while the other has won more games. Also, let's not go there when you talk about the defense winning games for Flacco...this team NEVER and could never go 11-5, 12-4, 9-7 with Boller, Mitchell, Harbaugh, Banks, Redman ect..ect..ect.. Let's all stop the knit picking and just enjoy the fact that we have a guy that has the ability to put up some points, win some games with his arm, and the best part..he's not even at the peak of his career yet, he's still young and improving!

[Ravensfan23]

There are a lot of things that go into a QB either having success vs the blitz or not. Look at a guy like Ben, he'll hold the ball a bit longer just to get that huge play and risk taking the sack. He'll get sacked more times then not, but those big plays are actually huge when deciding the outcome of the game.

Also, the WRs creating separation helps alot. If WRs don't read the blitz along with the QB then the QB will probably be sacked. It also changes from year to year based on the team around you.

Here's a couple article that feature Flacco's name in regards to the blitz.

[url="http://profootball.scout.com/2/932036.html"]Link 1[/url]

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/15428/flacco-ready-to-handle-playoff-pressure"]Link 2[/url]

I'm not sure that their grading system is 100% accurate(who's is for that matter) but isn't as poor against the blitz as it seem.

However he definitely needs to get better.

[Guest deltaraven]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1305561227' post='686989']
Great post, that was a good read.

From what I gather Flacco is basically middle of the pack in every category. Which is consistant of where i rank him among NFL QBs, which is why i through a fit when a lot people start calling Flacco "elite".

Also i suggest you post a link to the article since berad just deleted most of it...its an interesting read
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Flaccos not elite now(and I preface now) but the only elite ones Ive ever thought fit the bill were Brady and Manning

[ravensdfan]

I wrote this off after seeing Cutler ranked way above Flacco. Please. Cutler in no way is better under pressure. I've seen the Bears way too often to buy that load of bunk.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1305560937' post='686986']
Why do they need to "grade" when they already have an entirely objective factor [i](QB Rating)[/i] that would be more than suitable. Don't understand how a guy with a 52 rating against the blitz is the 8th best against pressure.
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I don't really understand that either.

Like other parts of his game, I remember Joe being inconsistent against pressure. At times, he was surprisingly nimble and was able to complete a pass or pick up yardage with his legs. On other occasions, he looked slow and lost.

[flynismo]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1305560937' post='686986']<br />Why do they need to &quot;grade&quot; when they already have an entirely objective factor <i>(QB Rating)</i> that would be more than suitable. Don't understand how a guy with a 52 rating against the blitz is the 8th best against pressure.<br />[/quote]

you know the 'Tuck Rule'?

This is the Matt Ryan rule....Ryan must win, no matter what

[BloodRaven]

This is assuming that protection and receivers are the same, I read somewhere on their site that they admitted their grades aren't necessarily relative to each other or the grade of the player opposite.

Grain of salt.