Flacco Superior To Ryan In The Clutch

[RavensAllTheWay]

If Flacco plays like crap in the playoffs, so does Ryan. How about an interception return for a TD right at halftime on a horrendous decision and pass against GB? That's just one example. How you perform in the playoffs MORE than nullifies how you do in a clutch situation of a regular season game. We bash Flacco for choking in the playoffs, so we better bash Ryan too because they're on the same boat. Only problem is, Ryan has been worse. He's never done well in a playoff game while Joe has twice. One of them was a clutch drive at the end of the Titans game to put us in FG range.

Seriously, a good chunk of the arguments I've heard in favor of Ryan have been nothing short of hypocritical.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305491503' post='686653']
Joe Flacco might be one of the least clutch QB's i have seen in a while, he has consistently proven he cant perform in clutch situations, he puts up good stats against terrible teams, and then when he is asked to preform against formidable opponents WHEN I COUNTS he turns into one of the worst QB's in the NFL.

Our offense single handedly lost us a shot at the AFC championship last season with Joe Flacco completing one of the most embarrassing QB performances i have ever witnessed against our division rivals.
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This entire part is a joke. Holds absolutely no merit.

Flacco's performance wasn't even the worst in the Playoffs, nevermind the most embarrassing to ever be witnessed.

[stopsizzle55]

first off let me say that i hope joe flacco becomes the next tom brady and leads us to a number of super bowls and i root for him as hard as i root for any raven.

that being said, he has shown in his first three years (and i understand that he is only three years deep) that he cant lead us to a super bowl, let alone beat pittsburgh in the playoffs. what's his record against big ben now? 0-7?

anyway, if you look at his stats in the first half when there is not much pressure on him, he plays great (1st quarter - 69 % completion, 5 td 0 int 109 pass rating; 2nd quarter - 62 % completion 12 td 4 int 95 pass rating). those are good enough stats to put him in the top 5 in the league
Quarters Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
1st Quarter 136 94 69.1 1,212 8.9 61 5 0 58 42.6 14 11 109.1


2nd Quarter 164 102 62.2 1,092 6.7 67 12 4 53 32.3 9 14 95.9


but then look at his stats in the second half when the game is on the line. first let me mention the biggest game last year when he led the offense to 23 second half yards and three turnovers in one of the most deflating defeats in ravens history. his stats in the second half of regular season games last year, including the fourth quarter when we are down by a maximum of 7 points and overtime. his rating significantly decreases

Quarters Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
3rd Quarter 124 70 56.5 856 6.9 38 7 5 44 35.5 11 13 79.9


4th Quarter 117 74 63.2 793 6.8 36 4 2 44 37.6 9 9 87.3


4th Quarter within 7 87 49 56.3 580 6.7 36 3 2 29 33.3 8 7 78.7


Overtime 12 7 58.3 59 4.9 20 0 0 2 16.7 1 2 71.2

i think that joe flacco is a good quarterback in this league but he hasnt shown enough to make me think that he is going to be great. not just by stats but plays that he makes and what i believe his football iq to be from watching him. again, i hope he proves me wrong and becomes the next premier qb but i just dont see it happening

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305495112' post='686699']
This entire part is a joke. Holds absolutely no merit.

Flacco's performance wasn't even the worst in the Playoffs, nevermind the most embarrassing to ever be witnessed.
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I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

2008: 33 75 44.0 25.0 437 5.8 145.7 1 3 18 24.0 48T 7 1 3 50.8

So that would be a 44% completion percentage and one touchdown to three interceptions good for a 50.8 passer rating, the third worse passer rating of the 08 postseason.

2009: 24 45 53.3 22.5 223 5.0 111.5 0 3 13 28.9 27 2 0 1 39.4

Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse for Joe cool he posts a 39.4 passer rating throwing zero touchdowns and three interceptions.

2010: 41 64 64.1 32.0 390 6.1 195.0 3 1 27 42.2 28 4 0 9 90.0

2010 marked Joe Flacco's best post season, and he played very well in Kansas City, however, lets look at how he did against a legit opponent in Pittsburgh- he threw 125 yards, had a compeletion percentage of 53.3 averaging 4.2 an attempt and throwing one TD and one INT, good for a stellar 61.1 passer rating, and may i remind you people Joe Flacco led our team to a combined 23 total offensive yards in the second half!!!! EMBARRASSING . If you weren't embarrassed by that awful display of football i question whether you are a Ravens fan.

That's a combined 59.6 postseason passer rating - terrible.

End of story, Joe Flacco doesn't produce when it matters his post season stats tell the story, he puts up below average stats against teams like the Dolphins, Chiefs, and throws for 34 yards against the patriots, only to go on and lose pathetically in the next round.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers.

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1305491770' post='686654']
LOL that's not accurate. Maybe based on volume, alone, but factor in the yards/attempt and TD/attempt, Flacco is better. Ryan had more attempts than Flacco and that's why his total yards and touchdowns are higher.

And, to your point about Flacco only playing well against "terrible teams", I laid this out to a different poster in the blogs section and I'll re-post it here...



QB rating of 93.0 versus teams above .500, including the playoffs.
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I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

2008: 33 75 44.0 25.0 437 5.8 145.7 1 3 18 24.0 48T 7 1 3 50.8

So that would be a 44% completion percentage and one touchdown to three interceptions good for a 50.8 passer rating, the third worse passer rating of the 08 postseason.

2009: 24 45 53.3 22.5 223 5.0 111.5 0 3 13 28.9 27 2 0 1 39.4

Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse for Joe cool he posts a 39.4 passer rating throwing zero touchdowns and three interceptions.

2010: 41 64 64.1 32.0 390 6.1 195.0 3 1 27 42.2 28 4 0 9 90.0

2010 marked Joe Flacco's best post season, and he played very well in Kansas City, however, lets look at how he did against a legit opponent in Pittsburgh- he threw 125 yards, had a compeletion percentage of 53.3 averaging 4.2 an attempt and throwing one TD and one INT, good for a stellar 61.1 passer rating, and may i remind you people Joe Flacco led our team to a combined 23 total offensive yards in the second half!!!! EMBARRASSING . If you weren't embarrassed by that awful display of football i question whether you are a Ravens fan.

That's a combined 59.6 postseason passer rating - terrible.

End of story, Joe Flacco doesn't produce when it matters his post season stats tell the story, he puts up below average stats against teams like the Dolphins, Chiefs, and throws for 34 yards against the patriots, only to go on and lose pathetically in the next round.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers

[berad]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305504279' post='686745']
I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

[b]End of story, Joe Flacco doesn't produce when it matters his post season stats tell the story, he puts up below average stats against teams like the Dolphins, Chiefs, and throws for 34 yards against the patriots, only to go on and lose pathetically in the next round.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers[/b]
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I laid all that out very clearly for you. You can't refute the statistics he accumulated against .500+ and playoff teams.

Joe hasn't been great in the post-season, that's not secret. But at least he played well enough for our team to win more than they've lost and has had at least one [i](you could argue two, against the Titans)[/i] good game in the playoffs. And you can't argue that Flacco stinks because he struggles in the post-season while praising Matt Ryan in the same breath

Flacco is a bright up-and-coming QB in the league. You may not agree with it, but the people in the Ravens' organization feel that way and have said it many times.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305504279' post='686745']
I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

2008: 33 75 44.0 25.0 437 5.8 145.7 1 3 18 24.0 48T 7 1 3 50.8

So that would be a 44% completion percentage and one touchdown to three interceptions good for a 50.8 passer rating, the third worse passer rating of the 08 postseason.

2009: 24 45 53.3 22.5 223 5.0 111.5 0 3 13 28.9 27 2 0 1 39.4

Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse for Joe cool he posts a 39.4 passer rating throwing zero touchdowns and three interceptions.

2010: 41 64 64.1 32.0 390 6.1 195.0 3 1 27 42.2 28 4 0 9 90.0

2010 marked Joe Flacco's best post season, and he played very well in Kansas City, however, lets look at how he did against a legit opponent in Pittsburgh- he threw 125 yards, had a compeletion percentage of 53.3 averaging 4.2 an attempt and throwing one TD and one INT, good for a stellar 61.1 passer rating, and may i remind you people Joe Flacco led our team to a combined 23 total offensive yards in the second half!!!! EMBARRASSING . [b]If you weren't embarrassed by that awful display of football i question whether you are a Ravens fan.
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That's a combined 59.6 postseason passer rating - terrible.

End of story, Joe Flacco doesn't produce when it matters his post season stats tell the story, he puts up below average stats against teams like the Dolphins, Chiefs, and throws for 34 yards against the patriots, only to go on and lose pathetically in the next round.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers
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I was actually going to ask you the same thing.

[-Truth-]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the word clutch was only allowed to be used in the Postseason. This means that Joe Flacco didn't lead us to 4th quarter comeback wins against the Browns or Steelers in consecutive weeks. He also didn't give us the lead against the Falcons before the Defense faltered on the Falcons' drive. Also, Anquan Boldin didn't drop the TD against the Steelers. TJ Houshmandzadeh didn't drop the ball on 4th and 18 with over a minute on the clock. Matt Birk didn't botch the snap and Ray Rice didn't fumble on a meaningless attempt to gain more territory 9 yards away from the first down in traffic. Yes, the entire loss is on Flacco. And 265 passing yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a 115.4 passer rating is an average showing for a QB. Well played.

[stopsizzle55]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305505678' post='686755']
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the word clutch was only allowed to be used in the Postseason. This means that Joe Flacco didn't lead us to 4th quarter comeback wins against the Browns or Steelers in consecutive weeks. He also didn't give us the lead against the Falcons before the Defense faltered on the Falcons' drive. Also, Anquan Boldin didn't drop the TD against the Steelers. TJ Houshmandzadeh didn't drop the ball on 4th and 18 with over a minute on the clock. Matt Birk didn't botch the snap and Ray Rice didn't fumble on a meaningless attempt to gain more territory 9 yards away from the first down in traffic. Yes, the entire loss is on Flacco. And 265 passing yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a 115.4 passer rating is an average showing for a QB. Well played.
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no one cares if your clutch in the regular season. you win championships in the postseason. thats when your career is made

[Gremraven]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1305506207' post='686766']
no one cares if your clutch in the regular season. you win championships in the postseason. thats when your career is made
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I guess Dan Morino never had his career made

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='Gremraven' timestamp='1305506617' post='686771']
I guess Dan Morino never had his career made
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Not like Trent Dilfer, that guy was a football god.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1305506687' post='686772']
Not like Trent Dilfer, that guy was a football god.
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Brad Johnson was better

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305505678' post='686755']
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the word clutch was only allowed to be used in the Postseason. This means that Joe Flacco didn't lead us to 4th quarter comeback wins against the Browns or Steelers in consecutive weeks. He also didn't give us the lead against the Falcons before the Defense faltered on the Falcons' drive. Also, Anquan Boldin didn't drop the TD against the Steelers. TJ Houshmandzadeh didn't drop the ball on 4th and 18 with over a minute on the clock. Matt Birk didn't botch the snap and Ray Rice didn't fumble on a meaningless attempt to gain more territory 9 yards away from the first down in traffic. Yes, the entire loss is on Flacco. And 265 passing yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a 115.4 passer rating is an average showing for a QB. Well played.
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Who cares about being clutch in the regular season, no one wants to go 16-0 in the regular season and than lose in the postseason, the object of the game isn't to win games in the regular season its the Superbowl, you are delusional, the postseason is where players are defined, and legacies are made, not week four against the Steelers without Ben. Big Ben will go down as one of the greatest QB's of this era, not because he puts up huge stats but because he wins games that matter, which happen to be in the postseason.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305504279' post='686745']
I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers
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Matt Ryan was damn clutch in both career playoff games he's been in.....

Syche

[Gremraven]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305506902' post='686776']
Who cares about being clutch in the regular season, no one wants to go 16-0 in the regular season and than lose in the postseason, the object of the game isn't to win games in the regular season its the Superbowl, you are delusional, the postseason is where players are defined, and legacies are made, not week four against the Steelers without Ben. [b]Big Ben will go down as one of the greatest QB's of this era, not because he puts up huge stats but because he wins games that matter, which happen to be in the postseason.[/b][/quote]
Getting carried by your defense does not make you a good qb.And the object of the game is to win all of the GAMES,you can't make the playoffs without winning games buddy.

[SpeedKills]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305506902' post='686776']
Who cares about being clutch in the regular season, no one wants to go 16-0 in the regular season and than lose in the postseason, the object of the game isn't to win games in the regular season its the Superbowl, you are delusional, the postseason is where players are defined, and legacies are made, not week four against the Steelers without Ben. Big Ben will go down as one of the greatest QB's of this era, not because he puts up huge stats but because he wins games that matter, which happen to be in the postseason.
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I agree.

BUT just saying that Flacco's not all-around clutch is a lie. If he's not clutch, then we lose that first Pittsburgh game, we lose to the Titans in '08, and we beat the Falcons if the defense holds. Don't tell me Flacco's not clutch, he's just not been clutch in the postseason - YET. He's been here three years, give him a break. Oh, and remember Dan Marino?

[Bmoresun]

I'm not saying i don't think we can win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco as our QB, I simply pointing out his awful postseason stats and his consistently bad play in big games, I would love more than anything for Joe to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he isn't and he never will be, sorry if that makes you mad, but face the facts you watch the same games i do. Against Pittsburgh in 08,and 2010; and Indianapolis in 09, in the postseason, Joe Flacco looks like a lost child. He will need to step his game up in big games if we ever hope to make it to the Superbowl.

We are all Ravens fans who want the Lombardi trophy, and i believe Joe is capable of getting it back to Baltimore, but he needs to play better in the clutch.

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='Gremraven' timestamp='1305507142' post='686779']
Getting carried by your defense does not make you a good qb.And the object of the game is to win all of the GAMES,you can't make the playoffs without winning games buddy.
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Yeah your right the object is to win all the games, but if you cant do that, the object is to win the ones that get you to a SuperBowl, which Joe hasn't been able to do thus far.

[AwakenTheDemon]

For everyone who says Joe is incapable of winning big games, I'd like to remind us all of two games last year: Heinz Field and the Georgia Done. No one has forgotten the Flacco to Housh touchdown to seal the win, and Joe had the Falcons game won in the final minutes of the game, the defense lost it.

Sure, he doesn't always play that well in big games, but to say he can't is silly. The best part is, both of those games were from last year, he's improving without a doubt and will only get better. Book it.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305506902' post='686776']
Who cares about being clutch in the regular season, no one wants to go 16-0 in the regular season and than lose in the postseason, the object of the game isn't to win games in the regular season its the Superbowl, you are delusional, the postseason is where players are defined, and legacies are made, not week four against the Steelers without Ben. Big Ben will go down as one of the greatest QB's of this era, not because he puts up huge stats but because he wins games that matter, which happen to be in the postseason.
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Oh Really that is an interesting perspective considering in the 3 superbowls hes been to, he has 613 yds, 3 td's, 5 int, that is an average of 204 yd's, 1 td, and almost 2 picks per super bowl for an awesome 64 QB rating. Yeah absolutely great post season QB. Did you think about that or look it up before you posted that comment.

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='SpeedKills' timestamp='1305507302' post='686781']
I agree.

BUT just saying that Flacco's not all-around clutch is a lie. If he's not clutch, then we lose that first Pittsburgh game, we lose to the Titans in '08, and we beat the Falcons if the defense holds. Don't tell me Flacco's not clutch, he's just not been clutch in the postseason - YET. He's been here three years, give him a break. Oh, and remember Dan Marino?
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Joe has never beaten Pittsburgh with Ben, we won against the Titans mainly due to the great play by our defense, and we didn't beat the Falcons, because Joe put up less than fifty yards in the first half. As for Marino, yeah he was great, but i would take a Superbowl with Dilfer over a decade of no Superbowl with Marino.

[SpeedKills]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305507323' post='686782']
I'm not saying i don't think we can win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco as our QB, I simply pointing out his awful postseason stats and his consistently bad play in big games, I would love more than anything for Joe to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he isn't and he never will be, sorry if that makes you mad, but face the facts you watch the same games i do. Against Pittsburgh in 08,and 2010; and Indianapolis in 09, in the postseason, Joe Flacco looks like a lost child. He will need to step his game up in big games if we ever hope to make it to the Superbowl.

We are all Ravens fans who want the Lombardi trophy, and i believe Joe is capable of getting it back to Baltimore, but he needs to play better in the clutch.
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The dude has played for us three years. THREE!!!!! This guy, his name's Tom Brady. He had what you call a slow start sitting behind Bledsoe. Drew Brees? He was good, never GREAT in SD like he's great now. Joe can't ever hide behind the "inexperience" card again, but he's certainly not been given as much time as I think he needs.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I am [i]soooo[/i] sick of hearing how "Joe has never beaten Ben". I never once knew that Joe played defense too. It's the defenses job to stop Ben, not Joe's. That's why they're called the defense, while Joe plays on the offense. Not to mention, regardless of whether Ben is playing or not, the Pittsburgh defense is the same defense.

Did Ben strip the ball from Joe last year to lead to a touchdown? No. Joe struggles against the Pittsburgh defense, however he's proven last year that he CAN beat them.

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1305507558' post='686786']
Oh Really that is an interesting perspective considering in the 3 superbowls hes been to, he has 613 yds, 3 td's, 5 int, that is an average of 204 yd's, 1 td, and almost 2 picks per super bowl for an awesome 64 QB rating. Yeah absolutely great post season QB. Did you think about that or look it up before you posted that comment.
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[i]<Deleted>[/i] i specifically said Ben doesn't put up great stats but he wins games, that's why he is a great QB, same applies for Brady - puts up decent stats but wins games. end of story

[Bmoresun]

[quote name='SpeedKills' timestamp='1305507764' post='686789']
The dude has played for us three years. THREE!!!!! This guy, his name's Tom Brady. He had what you call a slow start sitting behind Bledsoe. Drew Brees? He was good, never GREAT in SD like he's great now. Joe can't ever hide behind the "inexperience" card again, but he's certainly not been given as much time as I think he needs.
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How many excuses do you wanna make for Flacco, in 08 he was a rookie and we couldn't expect much, in 09 he didn't have the talent around him, in 10 ????????? what?? How long do you give him 5 years, 10 years, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE FACT THAT JOE ISN'T GOING TO EVER BE AN ELITE QB, so just keep making excuses. Last year it was the O Line, and the lack of speed on the edges. Excuse after excuse and no superbowl

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305507836' post='686791']
[i]<Deleted>[/i] i specifically said Ben doesn't put up great stats but he wins games, that's why he is a great QB, same applies for Brady - puts up decent stats but wins games. end of story
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[i]<Deleted>[/i] Greatest QB of the era and he puts up stats like that. yeah I can see the connection..... please.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Yeah dont get confused bro, his defense wins him games, by your logic Mark sanchez is great because he knows how to win games.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305504279' post='686745']
I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.

2008: 33 75 44.0 25.0 437 5.8 145.7 1 3 18 24.0 48T 7 1 3 50.8

So that would be a 44% completion percentage and one touchdown to three interceptions good for a 50.8 passer rating, the third worse passer rating of the 08 postseason.

2009: 24 45 53.3 22.5 223 5.0 111.5 0 3 13 28.9 27 2 0 1 39.4

Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse for Joe cool he posts a 39.4 passer rating throwing zero touchdowns and three interceptions.

2010: 41 64 64.1 32.0 390 6.1 195.0 3 1 27 42.2 28 4 0 9 90.0

2010 marked Joe Flacco's best post season, and he played very well in Kansas City, however, lets look at how he did against a legit opponent in Pittsburgh- he threw 125 yards, had a compeletion percentage of 53.3 averaging 4.2 an attempt and throwing one TD and one INT, good for a stellar 61.1 passer rating, and may i remind you people Joe Flacco led our team to a combined 23 total offensive yards in the second half!!!! EMBARRASSING . If you weren't embarrassed by that awful display of football i question whether you are a Ravens fan.

That's a combined 59.6 postseason passer rating - terrible.

End of story, Joe Flacco doesn't produce when it matters his post season stats tell the story, he puts up below average stats against teams like the Dolphins, Chiefs, and throws for 34 yards against the patriots, only to go on and lose pathetically in the next round.

Now you can all start crying and telling yourself I'm wrong, but you cant argue with the numbers
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Okay so I'll give you this:

1) Joe wasn't very good as a ROOKIE in the playoffs.
2) He didn't do very well against the Colts in his second year either.
3) The TEAM did awful in the Steelers game after the second half.


What you aren't acknowledging is he only put up 34 yards because Ray Rice EMBARRESED the Pats and we simply didnt need to throw. And then we lost against what should have been a 16-0 Colts team.

Also, how is KC not a legit opponent? They were a VERY good team when we played them in the playoffs while they were at home, although not in the very elite of the league, and were a legit threat to us and any other team in the league.

Sorry Flacco didn't go beast mode against what was arguably the best defense in the league at the time, with arguably one of the top offenses backing them, on their home turf. Maybe I should also throw in that we as a team simply didnt play great in the second half. And can you really blame Flacco for some of his faults in the game, like oh, lets say Housh dropping a 20 yard pass which could have arguably won the game.


And let me end with this:

-Because a QB doesn't suceed in the playoffs as a Rookie, doesn't mean he won't ever suceed in the playoffs, especially when he has no weapons.

-Because a QB doesn't suceed in his second year against what should have been a 16-0 team does not mean he won't ever suceed in the playoffs. Neither does beating a very good team, but without him throwing a lot. I will once again add, he had no weapons besides a proficient RB tandem.

-Because a QB SCRAPES a good KC team in the playoffs while they are at home doesn't mean he won't suceed in the playoffs. Neither does losing to arguably the league's best defense when you are enduring injuries on the O-line and a very slow recieving corps.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305508069' post='686793']
How many excuses do you wanna make for Flacco, in 08 he was a rookie and we couldn't expect much, in 09 he didn't have the talent around him, in 10 ????????? what?? How long do you give him 5 years, 10 years, [b]YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE FACT THAT JOE ISN'T GOING TO EVER BE AN ELITE QB[/b], so just keep making excuses. Last year it was the O Line, and the lack of speed on the edges, whatever Brady never had an Anquan Boldin or Ray Rice when he won.
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Seriously? It's been three years, I don't care what you say it's entirely too early to damn the man's career. End of story. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady didn't turn into stud quarterbacks in their first three years, granted Peyton did have good sophomore and third year seasons. However, Peyton also operates in a system where he attempts around 200 more throws than Joe and doesn't rely on a running game like the system in Baltimore.

It's been a while, but a while ago I made a post where I evened out the statistics of Manning and Joe (i.e. I went through and equalized Joe's number of attempts with Mannings and found out how many yards, interceptions, and touchdowns he'd have thrown if he had thrown 575, 533, and 571 passes in his first three seasons). And you know what I found? His statistics would have came close if not nearly equal to Manning's. Am I saying Joe is the next Peyton or the next big thing at quarterback? No, not at all. But saying "he'll never be elite" after his third year when you're critiquing someone for saying he has the potential after three years of adjustment to the pro level in his rookie year, nagging injuries and lackluster supporting talent in his sophomore year, and a terrible offensive line and play calling in his third is hypocritical and absurd.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='Bmoresun' timestamp='1305504200' post='686744']<br />I'm going to say it here first Joe FLacco is not clutch and he will never be clutch, in addition he will never be anything like Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or even Matt Ryan, I know that must hurt all of your feelings, but lets take a look at Joe's stats when they matter, which is the post season.[/quote]

i agree that as a whole, Flacco has played poorly in the post season.

Care to jog my memory on what Ryan's stats look like in the playoffs? How many playoff games did Ryan help ATL win?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,