Joe Flacco #90 On Top 100

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1304908462' post='683961']
Also, Josh Freeman's numbers compared to Flacco's from last year.

Freeman-2nd NFL Season
61.4% 3,451 Yds 25 tds 6 ints 95.9 rating 364 RuYds

Flacco-3rd NFL Season
62.6% 3,622 Yds 25 tds 10 ints 93.6 rating 84 RuYds 1 Rush TD

Although the numbers are very similar I think the fact that Freeman didn't have a Sophomore Slump put him up higher than Flacco.

It really doesn't bother me, are you guys going to say that that players are wrong now? They are the ones playing against him or beside him.

Be Glad he cracked a list.
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Freeman also had numerous 4th Quarter comebacks last year... that's the only reason he's higher

[Alexir]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1304908704' post='683964']
Freeman also had numerous 4th Quarter comebacks last year... that's the only reason he's higher
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Is that a bad thing? 60 minutes of football! I wish our offense still produced in the 4th QTR lol

[Alexir]

I don't get NFLN anymore. I have comcast and on May 1st it wasn't available. Anyone know what the dilly on that is?

[Alexir]

[media]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81f2003f/Top-100-Joe-Flacco-promo[/media]

[wayne]

Not trying to be a party pooper but the whole " where Flacco is ranked and is he our franchise QB or not" has gotten old. We know what we have and thats all that matters and while some of us aren't sold on him, for the most part, majority of us, including the organization believes in Flacco and we know he's more than capable of taking us to the promise land. Can this rest already!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304911560' post='683983']
Not trying to be a party pooper but the whole " where Flacco is ranked and is he our franchise QB or not" has gotten old. We know what we have and thats all that matters and while some of us aren't sold on him, for the most part, majority of us, including the organization believes in Flacco and we know he's more than capable of taking us to the promise land. Damn, can this rest already!
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you bring up a good point man, as long as we know and he can take us to the superbowl who [i]<cares>[/i] what others think.

[Yatagarasu]

It's true.

Flacco is underrated, but if he keeps choking in the playoffs, then he's not top 25 material. I hope Joe breaks out this season with some ridiculous stats and show why he is a franchise QB. However, if he does, then he's going to get a big fat contract. Also, if he continues to suck in the playoffs, maybe we should trade Flacco off for 2 first round picks(someone will do it) and then try to land Andrew Luck for 3 first round draft picks. It's a failproof plan... not.

[Yatagarasu]

I think we got a shot by throwing Flacco, 2 first round picks, 2 mid-round picks to the worst team in the NFL to get Andrew Luck.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1304913016' post='683993']
I think we got a shot by throwing Flacco, 2 first round picks, 2 mid-round picks to the worst team in the NFL to get Andrew Luck.
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Post it again and see what everyone says...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1304913016' post='683993']
I think we got a shot by throwing Flacco, 2 first round picks, 2 mid-round picks to the worst team in the NFL to get Andrew Luck.
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And.....if you're serious, I don't know what to say

[RavensAllTheWay]

QBs get way too much of the credit for wins and losses. It's like people think it's the only position that matters.

However, why would anyone put Freeman ahead of Flacco? Leadership, vocalization, etc...that has nothing to do with how they PLAY. I won't deny Freeman is more commanding and a better leader, but that has nothing to do with his performance on the field compared to Joes.

Flacco has the AFC North to compete against. He does not get the luxury of having multiple dome games or nice weather in November and December. That's only part of the tough situation Flacco is in. He's also got arguably less talent around him than Freeman, and definitely Ryan. He's got an offensive coordinator who way too often seems scared or refuses to sling the ball. Put Flacco in Ryan or Freemans offense and he'll almost certainly succeed and play much better than those two currently do. THAT is why I say Flacco is better. It is also why I can't stand when QBs get over credited or over criticized.

Is he [i]a lot[/i] better than either of them. No. Do I dislike Josh Freeman? No, but putting him ahead of Flacco is ridiculous.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1304913016' post='683993']
I think we got a shot by throwing Flacco, 2 first round picks, 2 mid-round picks to the worst team in the NFL to get Andrew Luck.
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I think that offer is too high because if we can make Flacco throw 4500+ 35+ TDs and 95+ rating, then we should trade Flacco for the number one pick straight up. The worst team in the NFL will be too stupid not to take that trade because proven franchise QBs go around for 2, maybe 3 first round draft pick values.

[Yatagarasu]

I wonder if the Bills or Raiders are willing to trade all their draft picks for 2012 and half of 2013 for Joe Flacco.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Just what are you doing Corvus Amplus???

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1304913560' post='683998']
I think that offer is too high because if we can make Flacco throw 4500+ 35+ TDs and 95+ rating, then we should trade Flacco for the number one pick straight up. The worst team in the NFL will be too stupid not to take that trade because proven franchise QBs go around for 2, maybe 3 first round draft pick values.
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dude did u just quote yourself thinking it was someone else?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304915897' post='684013']
dude did u just quote yourself thinking it was someone else?
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I want whatever he is on.....

[JoeCool#5]

NFLN gave some props to Joe, unforunately they didnt vote.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81fbd842/Young-QBs-crack-top-100

[uneektweek]

Im proud of Flacco for making the top 100. They said there where only 12 QB's in it and he was chosen. Just proves he is getting better because other players are starting to know who he is.

[uneektweek]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' timestamp='1304925119' post='684027']
NFLN gave some props to Joe, unforunately they didnt vote.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81fbd842/Young-QBs-crack-top-100
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thats it exactly what i have been thinking. just time to change thats all

[BloodRaven]

You could make an argument for Freeman and Ryan being better than Flacco, the main one being they all posted similar numbers yet Flacco plays for a better team and isn't asked to do as much.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906885' post='683948']
I like how you all bring back the argument to the Buccaneers team and their schedule. Okay, I will play along. Did you all know that Bucs were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent they faced last season? The major reason Bucs won against those soft teams or defenses was Freeman, Buccaneers roster was inferior to majority of the NFL rosters and that is why they were predicted to have another 3 win season.
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The Buccaneers were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent because they were 3-13 the previous Season, not because of the strength of their schedule.

[neoi78]

Lets get this straight:

1. Flaccos personality may contribute to the impression that he doesnt command the field, but the fact is,his inability to win ON HIS OWN SHOULDERS is why he is ranked #90.

2. I love Flacco, but Ryan is a better QB, im sad to say. I hope Flacco/Cam proves me wrong this year.. because the Falcons/Ravens are now built the same exact way. Whoever gets to the superbowl first is the best QB. Funny if this years superbowl is Flacco vs Ryan.. NOW WOULDNT THAT BE SOMETHING! HA!

3. .. Im out of things to say. haha

[neoi78]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1304913541' post='683997']
QBs get way too much of the credit for wins and losses. It's like people think it's the only position that matters.

However, why would anyone put Freeman ahead of Flacco? Leadership, vocalization, etc...that has nothing to do with how they PLAY. I won't deny Freeman is more commanding and a better leader, but that has nothing to do with his performance on the field compared to Joes.

Flacco has the AFC North to compete against. He does not get the luxury of having multiple dome games or nice weather in November and December. That's only part of the tough situation Flacco is in. He's also got arguably less talent around him than Freeman, and definitely Ryan. He's got an offensive coordinator who way too often seems scared or refuses to sling the ball. Put Flacco in Ryan or Freemans offense and he'll almost certainly succeed and play much better than those two currently do. THAT is why I say Flacco is better. It is also why I can't stand when QBs get over credited or over criticized.

Is he [i]a lot[/i] better than either of them. No. Do I dislike Josh Freeman? No, but putting him ahead of Flacco is ridiculous.
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Freeman has more talent around him then Joe? Your smoking some good stuff my friend. The ravens build is part of a reason why Joe succeeded in his rookie season as much as he did.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1304901226' post='683865']
I dunno, that's about right for Joe... he still makes some inexplicably dumb plays and can't beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Had he done that, he'd be higher.
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I think the point was that Freeman is #86. Based on your logic why would Freeman make the list at all? Or Ryan who's team made the playoffs and he has yet to win a playoff game?

So bogus.

[3-4ravdef509]

Freeman's spot is fine. But Flacco should be higher. Like, low 70s or high 60s.

[SpeedKills]

Remember, this is the list of how good a YEAR a player had. Joe had a better statistical year than Freeman, with career HIGHS... and still gets ranked lower. I think he's higher than Joe because the players view Freeman as putting the whole team on his shoulders and "carrying" them to 10-6. But, look - he had a great running game once they found out Blount could run. And as we all know, a great running game is a QB's best friend. They had a GREAT rookie WR that they could toss the ball up to. And they had a reliable TE that would catch most anything. Certainly not talentless in TB.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I agree with many of you but I also enjoy not getting the respect from others. Just adds fuel to the fire. There's nothing sweeter than getting dissed and then seeing our players destroy others, it's happened all too often. That "us against the world" scenario is what pushes us to be better. It happened in 2000, has brought us success in multiple other seasons and will take us to the SB again.

[grantkyle2003]

I knew this list was going to be a joke when darren mcfadden was ranked in the 90's, The guy had a breakout year in terms of stats. the only person so far I agree with there ranking is Mcnabb. Joe is better then his ranking, but I dont care because to me joe is awesome. Another thing I dont like is with some of these players so far they look back at seasons that are from 2006, isnt this suppose to be based solely on the 2011 season?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='SpeedKills' timestamp='1304941712' post='684040']
Remember, this is the list of how good a YEAR a player had. Joe had a better statistical year than Freeman, with career HIGHS... and still gets ranked lower. I think he's higher than oe because the players view Freeman as putting the whole team on his shoulders and "carrying" them to 10-6. But, look - he had a great running game once they found out Blount could run. And as we all know, a great running game is a QB's best friend/. They had a GREAT rookie WR that they could toss the ball up to. And you had a reliable TE that would catch most anything. Certainly not talentless in TB.
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Flacco did not have a better statistical year.....

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304944466' post='684048']
Flacco did not have a better statistical year.....
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He had 4 more INTs than Freeman but he had a higher completion percentage, smidge higher yds per completion, more passing yardage, same TDs, and did all of that with a weaker O line - being sacked 15 more times than Freeman. The additional INTs bring his QB rating a hair lower than Freeman's.