Joe Flacco #90 On Top 100

[Raven Butcher]

[i]<NO NAME CALLING[/i]>. You all here act as if only Joe Flacco was the one to be voted unfairly. Jon Beason is the best 4-3 MLB hands down and he barely made the list. Lance Briggs, one of the best 4-3 OLBs barely made the list. They are better than Flacco at their positions, just because Flacco is a QB does not make him a better player than them.

Anyways, I am glad Freeman was ranked ahead of Flacco. Like Cribbs said, players and coaches rank based on how much they need to prepare for a particular player. Freeman is laughing at you all now.

[img]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0120/nfl_u_jfreeman_sy_576.jpg[/img]

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1304902110' post='683881']
lol, oh my god, i forgot about the Sanchize...wow, I might have to cry if he gets listed ahead of Joe Flacco..

I think the Ravens may have the most listed though....possible top 100, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Terell Suggs, Boldin, Oher, Birk, Heap,.....maybe Mason, Kelly Gregg would have been a few years ago...
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I am sorry but the way this list is shaping up I expect only Lewis, Ngata and Reed to make it! Remember these bozos didn't even rank Suggs in the top 10 DEs' recently???

[ratedr]

According to Nfl network the fans have Flacco ranked at #59. A much more appropriate ranking, exactly the region I would put him. The players are just as bad as the media.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304905019' post='683912']
LOL@ Whiners. You all here act as if only Joe Flacco was the one to be voted unfairly. Jon Beason is the best 4-3 MLB hands down and he barely made the list. Lance Briggs, one of the best 4-3 OLBs barely made the list. They are better than Flacco at their positions, just because Flacco is a QB does not make him a better player than them.

Anyways, I am glad Freeman was ranked ahead of Flacco. Like Cribbs said, players and coaches rank based on how much they need to prepare for a particular player. Freeman is laughing at you all now.

[img]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0120/nfl_u_jfreeman_sy_576.jpg[/img]
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How many playoff wins does he have ?

[berad]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304905019' post='683912']
LOL@ Whiners. You all here act as if only Joe Flacco was the one to be voted unfairly. Jon Beason is the best 4-3 MLB hands down and he barely made the list. Lance Briggs, one of the best 4-3 OLBs barely made the list. They are better than Flacco at their positions, just because Flacco is a QB does not make him a better player than them.

Anyways, I am glad Freeman was ranked ahead of Flacco. Like Cribbs said, players and coaches rank based on how much they need to prepare for a particular player. Freeman is laughing at you all now.
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You're a Bucs fan. Freeman and the Bucs can laugh all they want but neither has won a playoff game since 2002.

[Raven Butcher]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1304905095' post='683915']
How many playoff wins does he have ?
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Why do you think that should be the basis for these rankings? Football is a team sport in case you did not know.

[i]<inflammatory, omitted >[/i]

[Raven Butcher]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1304905349' post='683917']
[b]You're a Bucs fan.[/b] Freeman and the Bucs can laugh all they want but neither has won a playoff game since 2002.
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Thanks for reminding me what I am.

Rest of what you type is irrelevant to the topic.

[Romo Ravens]

Let's be real for a second. Is there any reason whatsoever, ANY, to say that Freeman is better than Flacco? Look at it from that point of view. Any Buccaneers fan cannot give me a valid opinion because none exist. Hell, Flacco is even 1-0 against Freeman in their career

[berad]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304905466' post='683921']
Thanks for reminding me what I am.

Rest of what you type is irrelevant to the topic.
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I was just saying, so you [i]would[/i] be glad that Freeman would be ranked above Flacco.

We all saw what happened when Freeman played any team that wasn't below .500. He stunk it up.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304905364' post='683918']
Why do you think that should be the basis for these rankings? Football is a team sport in case you did not know.

[i]<inflammatory, omitted >[/i]
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last time I checked these players motivation isnt to win a bunch of games in the regular season they want the post season. I mean dont get me wrong either way it goes who had more regular season wins. Josh freeman is a talented young QB who plays for a crap team, and before you whine about "oh we are rebuilding, oh we are still young", this that and the third you guys have been rebuilding for a decade now. So when the raves go to the playoffs again...and the Bucs are sitting on the couch again... we can talk again about how much better flacco is than freeman.

[JO_75]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1304905095' post='683915']
How many playoff wins does he have ?
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I got one better. How many of the 10 wins the Bucs got were against teams with a winning record? NONE. Yeah Tampa beat the Saints but they lost to the Steelers, who were in the Super Bowl. Lost to Atlanta who was the TOP Seed in the NFC, they lost to the Ravens in the regular season who not only made it to the playoffs but won a playoff game.

3 of the teams the Bucs beat drafted in the top 5, 4 were in the top 10, 6 in the top 15.

I do understand that this is a list of this season but I think they forgot to take into account who went to the playoffs, Joe Flacco was in KC for a Wild Card Round while Josh Freeman... was HOME. Enough said, Joe should have been higher than Josh just for that reason.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1304905762' post='683927']
I got one better. How many of the 10 wins the Bucs got were against teams with a winning record? NONE. Yeah Tampa beat the Saints but they lost to the Steelers, who were in the Super Bowl. Lost to Atlanta who was the TOP Seed in the NFC, they lost to the Ravens in the regular season who not only made it to the playoffs but won a playoff game.

3 of the teams the Bucs beat drafted in the top 5, 4 were in the top 10, 6 in the top 15.

I do understand that this is a list of this season but I think they forgot to take into account who went to the playoffs, Joe Flacco was in KC for a Wild Card Round while Josh Freeman... was HOME. Enough said, Joe should have been higher than Josh just for that reason.
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well played sir...well played

[Raven Butcher]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1304905555' post='683922']
Let's be real for a second. Is there any reason whatsoever, ANY, to say that Freeman is better than Flacco? Look at it from that point of view. Any Buccaneers fan cannot give me a valid opinion because none exist. Hell, Flacco is even 1-0 against Freeman in their career
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Again, it is irrelevant. You will have to compare both of them purely as players, heck I would say even their stats are gravy. I think Freeman is more dangerous than Flacco as a QB because of his ability to throw ropes on the run and also being able to run for yards. Flacco very rarely does that and looks clumsy doing that, he really is not a threat to run. As passers, both of them are on par in my opinion. Also which one would you consider tougher to sack? Yes, its not even close, Freeman scares defenses more than Flacco scares them which is why I think he was ranked ahead of Flacco.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304905019' post='683912']
LOL@ Whiners. You all here act as if only Joe Flacco was the one to be voted unfairly. Jon Beason is the best 4-3 MLB hands down and he barely made the list. Lance Briggs, one of the best 4-3 OLBs barely made the list. They are better than Flacco at their positions, just because Flacco is a QB does not make him a better player than them.

Anyways, I am glad Freeman was ranked ahead of Flacco. Like Cribbs said, players and coaches rank based on how much they need to prepare for a particular player. Freeman is laughing at you all now.

[img]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0120/nfl_u_jfreeman_sy_576.jpg[/img]
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And it was so hard to prepare for Josh Freeman in our game last year when Freeman rocked the 50% completion rating for 90% of the game like a total champ. We sure had a hard time game planning for that.

And you guys got spaaaaaanked by the Steelers and their 3rd string QB.

[ravens rule]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906009' post='683931']
Again, it is irrelevant. You will have to compare both of them purely as players, heck I would say even their stats are gravy. I think Freeman is more dangerous than Flacco as a QB because of his ability to throw ropes on the run and also being able to run for yards. Flacco very rarely does that and looks clumsy doing that, he really is not a threat to run. As passers, both of them are on par in my opinion. Also which one would you consider tougher to sack? Yes, its not even close, Freeman scares defenses more than Flacco scares them which is why I think he was ranked ahead of Flacco.
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freeman was garbage when he played us

[berad]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304906125' post='683933']
And it was so hard to prepare for Josh Freeman in our game last year when Freeman rocked the 50% completion rating for 90% of the game like a total champ. We sure had a hard time game planning for that.
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Don't give him all that credit. Freeman had a 45.9 completion percentage on 37 throws. We sure were "scared".

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906009' post='683931']
Again, it is irrelevant. You will have to compare both of them purely as players, heck I would say even their stats are gravy. I think Freeman is more dangerous than Flacco as a QB because of his ability to throw ropes on the run and also being able to run for yards. Flacco very rarely does that and looks clumsy doing that, he really is not a threat to run. As passers, both of them are on par in my opinion. Also which one would you consider tougher to sack? Yes, its not even close, Freeman scares defenses more than Flacco scares them which is why I think he was ranked ahead of Flacco.
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Do you even know why Freeman was so elusive and had a good year? It's because he played extremely soft defenses. Check out JO's post above me. It's cool if you're in denial, but Flacco is the better overall QB. There is a reason why he's considered top ten at his position. That's a fact. There's no getting around it

[flynismo]

You guys do realize that the top 100 is based on last season alone, right?And by that standard, Freeman should be a hair above Flacco and Ryan both.But of course we all know Matty Ice is the apple pie golden boy, so that will automatically get him top 50.

[Romo Ravens]

I can take the "Matt Ryan is better or equal to Joe Flacco" debate, but I just can't take it when Freeman is stated to be better than Flacco. Again, no Buccaneers fan would be able to give me a valid response as to why. Flacco has more wins in the season, more playoff wins, didn't look like a joke his rookie year and had so much less to work with than a lot of other QB's and STILL puts up awesome numbers. Whatever though, it's cool, lol

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304906503' post='683940']
You guys do realize that the top 100 is based on last season alone, right?And by that standard, Freeman should be a hair above Flacco and Ryan both.But of course we all know Matty Ice is the apple pie golden boy, so that will automatically get him top 50.
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Yeah I realize that but the point has been illustrated that he Freeman played crazy soft defenses. We are in arguably the toughest defensive division in football so to just be better by a hair in a cupcake division doesnt say a lot. I understand where you come from with numbers, but at that if I were to play against some little league kids I would win the pee wee heisman.

I think strength of schedule should account for a lot considering that is how you get to the playoffs, that is all im saying.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906009' post='683931']<br />Again, it is irrelevant. You will have to compare both of them purely as players, heck I would say even their stats are gravy. I think Freeman is more dangerous than Flacco as a QB because of his ability to throw ropes on the run and also being able to run for yards. Flacco very rarely does that and looks clumsy doing that, he really is not a threat to run. As passers, both of them are on par in my opinion. Also which one would you consider tougher to sack? Yes, its not even close, Freeman scares defenses more than Flacco scares them which is why I think he was ranked ahead of Flacco.<br />[/quote]


like I said above, based off last year's stats, Freeman had a slightly better year than Flacco.

Bring Freeman to the AFCN, or put Flacco down there with Tampa, and we'd be singing a different tune.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1304906249' post='683937']
Don't give him all that credit. Freeman had a 45.9 completion percentage on 37 throws. We sure were "scared".
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lol even better!

/thread now

[Raven Butcher]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1304906352' post='683938']
Do you even know why Freeman was so elusive and had a good year? It's because he played extremely soft defenses. Check out JO's post above me. It's cool if you're in denial, but Flacco is the better overall QB. There is a reason why he's considered top ten at his position. That's a fact. There's no getting around it
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I like how you all bring back the argument to the Buccaneers team and their schedule. Okay, I will play along. Did you all know that Bucs were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent they faced last season? The major reason Bucs won against those soft teams or defenses was Freeman, Buccaneers roster was inferior to majority of the NFL rosters and that is why they were predicted to have another 3 win season.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1304906728' post='683944']<br />Yeah I realize that but the point has been illustrated that he Freeman played crazy soft defenses.  We are in arguably the toughest defensive division in football so to just be better by a hair in a cupcake division doesnt say a lot.  I understand where you come from with numbers, but at that if I were to play against some little league kids I would win the pee wee heisman.<br /><br />I think strength of schedule should account for a lot considering that is how you get to the playoffs, that is all im saying.<br />[/quote]


i agree, SOS played a big factor, but that list doesn't take those things in consideration; all that matters is raw numbers.

Don't worry, I'm sure everyone outside of Tampa knows who is better between Flacco and Freeman.,,,,,,,,

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906885' post='683948']
I like how you all bring back the argument to the Buccaneers team and their schedule. Okay, I will play along. Did you all know that Bucs were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent they faced last season? The major reason Bucs won against those soft teams or defenses was Freeman, Buccaneers roster was inferior to majority of the NFL rosters and that is why they were predicted to have another 3 win season.
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I like to play the numbers game. We have one of the easiest schedules this year, but since the NFL is so sporadic, every team we face outside of our division could be picking in the later part of the 2012 NFL Draft. Who cares who you play going in, it's all about what happens at the end of the season, and the defenses you played last year sucked

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906885' post='683948']
I like how you all bring back the argument to the Buccaneers team and their schedule. Okay, I will play along. Did you all know that Bucs were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent they faced last season? The major reason Bucs won against those soft teams or defenses was Freeman, Buccaneers roster was inferior to majority of the NFL rosters and that is why they were predicted to have another 3 win season.
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So your argument is that tampa bay cant draft worth nothing so therefore freeman is better. The way they have been drafting the past couple of years i would not be surprised if the not before the draft they went to sleep thinking about chocolate pudding only to wake up draft day with a spoon in their butts.

[berad]

[quote name='Raven Butcher' timestamp='1304906885' post='683948']
I like how you all bring back the argument to the Buccaneers team and their schedule. Okay, I will play along. Did you all know that Bucs were picked to be the underdogs against almost every opponent they faced last season? The major reason Bucs won against those soft teams or defenses was Freeman, [b]Buccaneers roster was inferior to majority of the NFL rosters[/b] and that is why they were predicted to have another 3 win season.
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That's pretty funny because Raheem Morris said the Bucs were the best team in the NFC last year...

[Alexir]

At least he is on that list.

[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#100: Donovan McNabb[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#99: Chad Clifton[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#98: Darren McFadden[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#97: Shaun Phillips[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#96: Nick Collins[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#95: Jon Beason[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#94: Frank Gore[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#93: Eric Berry[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#92: Lance Briggs[/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]#91: Terrell Owens [/font][/color]
[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]
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[color="#1C2837"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]These are the 10 that he beat out. I think 90th is an achievement. [/font][/color]

[Alexir]

Also, Josh Freeman's numbers compared to Flacco's from last year.

Freeman-2nd NFL Season
61.4% 3,451 Yds 25 tds 6 ints 95.9 rating 364 RuYds

Flacco-3rd NFL Season
62.6% 3,622 Yds 25 tds 10 ints 93.6 rating 84 RuYds 1 Rush TD

Although the numbers are very similar I think the fact that Freeman didn't have a Sophomore Slump put him up higher than Flacco.

It really doesn't bother me, are you guys going to say that that players are wrong now? They are the ones playing against him or beside him.

Be Glad he cracked a list.

[FerrariFan87]

Well, Joe has a chance to quiet any doubters this year... let's see if he can.