Antwan Barnes

[20ravens52]

I really think that we should bring Barnes back this season. I still don't understand why we released him to begin with. Maybe it was because they thought Kindle was going to come back at some point last season. But I think it was a mistake.

When he played for us and the Chargers he was good as a pass rusher and is strong and fast, and I think he could at the very least be a good situational pass rusher AND he'd be relatively cheap.



Thoughts?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='20ravens52' timestamp='1304720732' post='683029']
I really think that we should bring Barnes back this season. I still don't understand why we released him to begin with. Maybe it was because they thought Kindle was going to come back at some point last season. But I think it was a mistake.

When he played for us and the Chargers he was good as a pass rusher and is strong and fast, and I think he could at the very least be a good situational pass rusher AND he'd be relatively cheap.



Thoughts?
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I am pretty sure the FO made their feelings about Barnes very clear when they traded him for a 7th round pick.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1304721963' post='683034']
I am pretty sure the FO made their feelings about Barnes very clear when they traded him for a 7th round pick.
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This. My personal thoughts would be that he'd be useful for us at the moment because our pass rush was lethargic last year and seems to be going forward in a similar situation (it could change). However, I'm sure the fact he's already been traded away once and that he isn't much good on ST, which Harbs rates a lot, the chances of him coming back to Baltimore are slim.

[flynismo]

Barnes is a pass rusher that doesn't get sacks. No thanks.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304726747' post='683059']
Barnes is a pass rusher that doesn't get sacks. No thanks.
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He had 4.5 sacks in a limited role last year with SD and had quite a few hurries.

I think he still has the ability to liven up our rather bland pass rush next to Suggs.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='20ravens52' timestamp='1304727119' post='683062']
He had 4.5 sacks in a limited role last year with SD and had quite a few hurries.

I think he still has the ability to liven up our rather bland pass rush next to Suggs.
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He apparently has a documented case of arrogance whenever he does get playing time and plays well. Couple guys in the Baltimore Sun in 2009 wrote articles about it.

And Barnes isnt good enough to deal with his arrogance point blank, a situational rusher doesnt get that luxury.

[blitzking33]

I wish the FO would bring Barnes back..

If not, we should let Ellerbe and Gooden rotate ILB and move Jameel back to OLB/DE.. I remember he was pretty beast and had a good burst his rookie season.. Remember when he got that blocked punt against the Eagles? Maybe him and JJ rotate?

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1304738859' post='683107']
I wish the FO would bring Barnes back..

If not, we should let Ellerbe and Gooden rotate ILB and move Jameel back to OLB/DE.. I remember he was pretty beast and had a good burst his rookie season.. Remember when he got that blocked punt against the Eagles? Maybe him and JJ rotate?
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I agree completely. I think Ellerbe is the better ILB anyway.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Jameel's natural position is on the outside anyways. I didn't understand the move to the inside to begin with.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1304740179' post='683115']
Jameel's natural position is on the outside anyways. I didn't understand the move to the inside to begin with.
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I think at the time it was because of the lack of competion at the ILB position.

Moving McClain back to OLB might be the other option(that is if we dont explore free agency or Kindle doesn't come back.)

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1304721963' post='683034']
I am pretty sure the FO made their feelings about Barnes very clear when they traded him for a 7th round pick.
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Didn't we trade Prescott Burgess for a 7th round pick, and the take him back for the next 2 years?

I'm not saying it will or should happen, but it's not impossible.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304743191' post='683130']
Didn't we trade Prescott Burgess for a 7th round pick, and the take him back for the next 2 years?

I'm not saying it will or should happen, but it's not impossible.
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True. Although, personally, I doubt he is brought back solely because of his prolonged stay in Harbaugh's dog house. I have to say though, Barnes was impressive during his San Diego stint.

[BloodRaven]

Charger fans don't like him, apparently he can't stop the run and misses a lot of tackles.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1304745327' post='683138']
Charger fans don't like him, apparently he can't stop the run and misses a lot of tackles.
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I could see that. He doesn't seem like he'd excel outside of the situational rusher role.

[Bullrush]

He was our best pass rusher until Suggs got going, he was also San Diego's best pass rusher last season. One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Mattison. Not only do they get rid of him, when we had him and when it was obvious he was a great pass rusher he didn't get any snaps. They used him on special teams only. Well, now he's doing for the Chargers what he should have done for us. That's like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost, he has that pass rush ability. And we just threw it away. Good job, Mattison.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304752421' post='683162']
He was our best pass rusher until Suggs got going, [b]he was also San Diego's best pass rusher last season[/b]. One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Mattison. Not only do they get rid of him, when we had him and when it was obvious he was a great pass rusher he didn't get any snaps. They used him on special teams only. Well, now he's doing for the Chargers what he should have done for us. That's like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost, he has that pass rush ability. And we just threw it away. Good job, Mattison.
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Shaun Phillips would disagree with you.

1st or 2nd round pick? Try 4th round pick that has been in the league for 5 seasons and has a grand total of 9.5 sacks. Wow, he sure has been productive. He is a one dimensional player with awful insticts. Also a bad tackler who cant drop into coverage. Basically he cant do 2 out of the 3 responsibilities you ask from an OLB.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304752421' post='683162']
He was our best pass rusher until Suggs got going, he was also San Diego's best pass rusher last season. One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Mattison. Not only do they get rid of him, when we had him and when it was obvious he was a great pass rusher he didn't get any snaps. They used him on special teams only. Well, now he's doing for the Chargers what he should have done for us. That's like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost, he has that pass rush ability. And we just threw it away. Good job, Mattison.
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Smh.. Basically dead wrong

[Bullrush]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1304753721' post='683169']
Shaun Phillips would disagree with you.

1st or 2nd round pick? Try 4th round pick that has been in the league for 5 seasons and has a grand total of 9.5 sacks. Wow, he sure has been productive. He is a one dimensional player with awful insticts. Also a bad tackler who cant drop into coverage. Basically he cant do 2 out of the 3 responsibilities you ask from an OLB.
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Phillips had 1 sack in the final 4 games, compared to Barnes' 2.5. I'm pretty sure Phillips would agree with me, actually.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304743191' post='683130']
Didn't we trade Prescott Burgess for a 7th round pick, and the take him back for the next 2 years?

I'm not saying it will or should happen, but it's not impossible.
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Eh. That was different. Burgess was a late round pick who didn't get any playing time, he doesn't have any upside, he's a career special teamer. He should be happy somebody is offering him a job in the NFL. Barnes was a middle round pick who's got a knack for getting after the QB. He has the skills to put up 10+ sacks in a season. When you get rid of somebody like that I don't think he'd want to come back again. We didn't use him on defense. He doesn't want to go back to that. He's getting plenty of playing time in SD and he fits their defense. We have moved on, drafted a bunch of young pass rushers the past couple of years.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304756362' post='683174']
Phillips had 1 sack in the final 4 games, compared to Barnes' 2.5. I'm pretty sure Phillips would agree with me, actually.
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Ha....talk about a jaded view

What about his ALMOST ONE SACK PER GAME AVERAGE the first 12 games of the year? Hahahaha

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304756362' post='683174']
Phillips had 1 sack in the final 4 games, compared to Barnes' 2.5. I'm pretty sure Phillips would agree with me, actually.
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Shaun Phillips is one of the best 3-4 OLBs in the game - he gets overlooked because he doesn't do anything flashy.

Barnes is strictly a situational pass rusher, who isn't overly productive in that role.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304767482' post='683186']
Ha....talk about a jaded view

What about his ALMOST ONE SACK PER GAME AVERAGE the first 12 games of the year? Hahahaha
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It's a fact I stated, not a jaded view. Go talk to Chargers fans and listen to what they have to say about Phillips. He's a good pass rusher but let's put it this way, even Ngata had more QB hurries than he did. And Barnes had close to as many as Phillips even though he's not getting much playing time.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1304768071' post='683187']
Shaun Phillips is one of the best 3-4 OLBs in the game - he gets overlooked because he doesn't do anything flashy.

Barnes is strictly a situational pass rusher, who isn't overly productive in that role.
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Far more productive than any other LB we have not named Suggs.

[tweety]

Barnes is a situational player...it is too risky to package him every rare third down and long. His role is predictive, rushing the passer. Again he isn't amazing at the one job.

[berad]

Funny how people remember a player as significantly better than they actually were...

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304752421' post='683162']
He was our best pass rusher until Suggs got going, he was also San Diego's best pass rusher last season. One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Mattison. Not only do they get rid of him, when we had him and when it was obvious he was a great pass rusher he didn't get any snaps. They used him on special teams only. Well, now he's doing for the Chargers what he should have done for us. That's like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost, he has that pass rush ability. And we just threw it away. Good job, Mattison.
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First of all it wasnt Mattison's idea or decision to get rid of him, it was a combination of Harbaugh and Ozzie with maybe limited imput from Mattison. He was our best pass rusher when Suggs was fat in 2009, Barnes cant hold a candle to what Suggs can do pass rushing thats a joke. He's not an everydown player who has a documented case of arrogance when he starts to play decent, you cant be arrogant when your a situational player. Barnes is a good situational rusher nothing more.

I dont even know how to rationalize the "its like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost" statement.

Phillips had 11 sacks last year, Barnes had 4 in 11 games. Now you know who the better pass rusher is.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304770104' post='683190']
Far more productive than any other LB we have not named Suggs.
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A declining JJ is still twice the football player Antwan Barnes is. I dont care that his sack total slipped last yaer, he still is a beast against the run and he is a very underrated coverage guy. He may not be a 3 down player anymore, but he offers way more on the field than Antwan Barnes ever has.

[ellicottraven]

If the coaches believe he will be useful both in pass rush and special teams, he will certainly be given a chance. However, remember there are only 53 roster spots available and you have to have depth at most positions and they have to contribute to special teams as well!

[wayne]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1304752421' post='683162']
He was our best pass rusher until Suggs got going, he was also San Diego's best pass rusher last season. One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Mattison. Not only do they get rid of him, when we had him and when it was obvious he was a great pass rusher he didn't get any snaps. They used him on special teams only. Well, now he's doing for the Chargers what he should have done for us. That's like a 1st or 2nd round pick we lost, he has that pass rush ability. And we just threw it away. Good job, Mattison.
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If he was that good, the Chargers would still have him right now..... talking about over hyping up someone, you put the icing on the cake. I would pursu Merrian if he's available before Barnes.

[berad]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1304797061' post='683291']
A declining JJ is still twice the football player Antwan Barnes is. I dont care that his sack total slipped last yaer, he still is a beast against the run and he is a very underrated coverage guy. He may not be a 3 down player anymore, but he offers way more on the field than Antwan Barnes ever has.
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True, and he was playing with a shoulder injury most of the season, too, right?