Ozzie Optimistic Kindle Will Be A Raven

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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1304649406' post='682630']
He can get around people always with his speed, but that's it. He's just too athletic for most tackles. But speed rushers are only so effective, there extremely vulnerable to chip help. When I look at the really good pass rushers, they play like they're possessed. Houston doesn't have that mean streak. He reminds me of Gholston.
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I respect your opinion, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I haven't seen enough footage showing me that he's weak at the POA.
[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1304650446' post='682646']
If brooks reed had the chance to be special he would have been taken by the patriots.
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Really?

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I respect your opinion, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I haven't seen enough footage showing me that he's weak at the POA.

Really?
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Yeah, I don't think Brooks Reed is going to be that that good. I've always had the same feeling about him as i've had about torrey smith. Good enough with the chance to be special, but he'll probably be a guy fans will like but around the league his name won't be said alot. I think brooks reed will get 6 sacks a season on the right side and will be a lot like JJ in his prime. He's playing with Mario williams and JJ watt against only ok offensive lines.

Having gone to maryland the thing I liked about torrey smith is that our big game against NC state which basically defined our season he had 14 REC, 224 YDS, 4 TDs. It was huge for the school, and you could see torrey really breaking his potential. He took that game over when we wanted him to, that says a lot about a player.

And Nc state still went to a better bowl than us. With the same record and a loss.

The thing I like about Brooks Reed is he stepped up in a HUGE way against Iowa. but the thing is he's a strong side backer, He'll always get more pressure than sacks if the QB sees him coming.

The big thing about brooks reed is I think reed can also become a very strong run blocker because of how hard he plays and the fact that he's a strong tackler. Brooks reed pushed around a (supposed) future franchise left tackle, where as Houston got pushed around in Georgia's Bowl Game. Houston's a better weak side Backer, you'd have to move suggs over, and that would be pretty ridiculous. Reed is better on the strong side, he's harder to maul. Even if you see him coming he's really scary and can force turnovers.

That's why I was pretty high on cameron heyward, when Ohio State played arkansas if someone had to make a play Heyward made it. Sacks, tackles for a loss, tipped balls. That's what you want, a guy who's there when you need it. A guy who steps up to competition. I just don't see that in houston. I see that he's much faster than most tackles, but that's it.

But if you put him on the jets he'd get a ton of pressure. If they're draft had been Wilkerson Houston Ellis they'd have gotten away with a steal. Houston's athleticism can bring really exotic pressure on well designed plays, but in terms of "see the guy with the ball? HIT HIM!" he just doesn't play that way.

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I'll say this, and I am probably speaking for many others whether they admit it or not, but I know I don't give Torrey the credit he deserves.Yes, he's raw, and that is to be expect of a guy with so little experience. However, that is what will probably doom him here. People always talk about 'coaching players up', and this is one instance where I think coaching will make a huge difference in the path a player's career takes. Unfortunately for him, he's coming to a team that has no clue how to use their Pro Bowl wide recievers, much less develop a young, raw talent like Torrey.I wish him all the success in the world, it would be a dream to watch him become the next Chad Johnson (who I think is the perfect comparison here), but the odds are stacked against him.

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I'll say this, and I am probably speaking for many others whether they admit it or not, but I know I don't give Torrey the credit he deserves.Yes, he's raw, and that is to be expect of a guy with so little experience. However, that is what will probably doom him here. People always talk about 'coaching players up', and this is one instance where I think coaching will make a huge difference in the path a player's career takes. [b]Unfortunately for him, he's coming to a team that has no clue how to use their Pro Bowl wide recievers, much less develop a young, raw talent like Torrey.[/b]I wish him all the success in the world, it would be a dream to watch him become the next Chad Johnson (who I think is the perfect comparison here), but the odds are stacked against him.
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But last season was the only one where the Ravens had multiple Pro Bowl WRs on the team and they haven't had a quality QB starting for more than two seasons.

The person we assume primarily responsible for the misuse of the WRs isn't guaranteed to be here forever and I think most would say, a franchise QB is in place.

History may be against Torrey but I don't think the situation he's walking into right now is.

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After viewing Houston's Bowl tape again, with a little more attention to detail, I came away with some new observations. Although it wasn't clear where he lined up on a few plays, I counted that he only faced Reid thirteen times. Cornelius Washington, #83, and Darryl Gamble, #50, were seen on left side on numerous occasions. With that being said, Reid definitely won the match-up, as his superior footwork and hand placement prevented him from reaching the QB. However, Houston was still able to finish the game with several pressures, as well as tackles at or near the LOS. And rarely, if at all, did I see Houston get manhandled.

In fact, he was practically never driven back, with only three successful blocks coming against him in the running game. The first was made on a pull by LG Theo Goins, #68, effectively taking Houston out of the play. The second was done by Jah Reid, after Houston began speed rushing around him. The third, I believe, was made by Jordan McCray, #63, after Houston drove him back two yards and attempted to make the tackle on RB Latavius Murray, #28, who was cutting to the opposite side. Even in this uninspiring performance, I've seen nothing to suggest that he's weak at the POA. That's my opinion. Since we both remain unchanged in our assessments, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I was also fairly high on Reed coming into Draft. I loved a number of his facets, such as his motor and his arsenal of pass rush moves, especially the spin move. And your argument about him possibly having less sacks is a solid one, but I can only agree with it to an extent. Although it's much more common to see the ROLBs finish with the higher sack numbers, players like Clay Mathews, Shaun Phillips and LaMarr Woodley have shown that success on that side isn't impossible. But I'm still confused how you can state that Reed won't be special because the Patriots didn't select him. That's an poor argument.