Torrey Smith: The Next Greg Jennings + Jeremy Maclin

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1304800618' post='683315']
[b]A very poormans Roddy White[/b]..... He is not aggressive and physical like Roddy.. I dont think most ppl know how physical Roddy is (he is a former state champion wrestler in highschool) .. Thats a HUGE part of Roddy's game....

Thats why i dont think you can compare the 2... Smith is more finesse.. I would compare him to Maclin before Roddy...

I agree with flynismo... Chad Johnson is not a bad comparison.... But Smith body catches alot of ball... one thing ill give chad... in his prime... dude was a great hand catcher. But the Chad Johnson comparison isnt a bad one.

Ill stop ill the comparisons tho... You guys have a young fast WR that brings something you guys was missing..
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I hate player comparisons because EVERY single prospect and player is different. Yes, they may have some similarities in their games, but they are completely different phenomenons.

Torrey Smith is Torrey Smith and he's the one who decides whether he succeeds or fails.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1304799660' post='683307']
While I am glad that Torrey has all the measurables, the only measurable that concerns me honestly are his small hands! That is perhaps the single most important element to a WR right?
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Not really hand size but hand eye coordination. You could have the biggest hands in the NFL, but it won't make you the best pass catcher and vice versa. The guy has had small hands his entire life, it's not like he has to adjust to something new. It's like Drew Bress being a short QB or Ray Lewis being undersized for a LB or Sam Mills at 5'9 230 being considered too small to play LB in the NFL.

Torrey Smith having small hands will only be an issue if he allows it to be. If Smith continues to work hard and improve his skills as he's done over his 3 year career at UMD, then his hand size won't be a concern at all.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1304800618' post='683315']
A very poormans Roddy White..... He is not aggressive and physical like Roddy.. I dont think most ppl know how physical Roddy is (he is a former state champion wrestler in highschool) .. Thats a HUGE part of Roddy's game....

Thats why i dont think you can compare the 2... Smith is more finesse.. I would compare him to Maclin before Roddy...

I agree with flynismo... Chad Johnson is not a bad comparison.... But Smith body catches alot of ball... one thing ill give chad... in his prime... dude was a great hand catcher. But the Chad Johnson comparison isnt a bad one.

Ill stop ill the comparisons tho... You guys have a young fast WR that brings something you guys was missing..
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I could really care less about the Roddy White comparisons, how i would like to know what exactly do you see in Smith's game to lead you to believe he's a finesse player.

I'm sure you guys get enough ACC games in the ATL.

For me I see a lot of physicality in Torrey Smiths game. From winning battles at the LOS, to running through attempted arm tackles, to a nice stiff arm that I've been noticing about him, to his ability to not only compete for the football, but win those jump ball battles and also turn into a defender to prevent potential INTS.

I know when I watched him against my Seminoles, I was a guy that fought for every yard, even when he was on the sidelines. He's a guy that rarely allows the first guy to bring him down and that's not always because of his speed.

I'm not saying that you'd did this, but often times when people see a WR with great speed and quickness they automatically think finesse. Well when I watched Torrey the last think i thought about was him being finesse.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304812849' post='683382']<br />I could really care less about the Roddy White comparisons, how i would like to know what exactly do you see in Smith's game to lead you to believe he's a finesse player. <br /><br />I'm sure you guys get enough ACC games in the ATL.<br /><br />For me I see a lot of physicality in Torrey Smiths game. From winning battles at the LOS, to running through attempted arm tackles, to a nice stiff arm that I've been noticing about him, to his ability to not only compete for the football, but win those jump ball battles and also turn into a defender to prevent potential INTS. <br /><br />I know when I watched him against my Seminoles, I was a guy that fought for every yard, even when he was on the sidelines. He's a guy that rarely allows the first guy to bring him down and that's not always because of his speed. <br /><br />I'm not saying that you'd did this, but often times when people see a WR with great speed and quickness they automatically think finesse. Well when I watched Torrey the last think i thought about was him being finesse.<br />[/quote]


i agree people see speed and think finesse automatically, but I wouldn't say he is a physical player, I would describe him more as fiesty, which is one reason I compare him to Ocho...he's physical, in his own way

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1304800618' post='683315']
A very poormans Roddy White..... He is not aggressive and physical like Roddy.. I dont think most ppl know how physical Roddy is (he is a former state champion wrestler in highschool) .. Thats a HUGE part of Roddy's game....

Thats why i dont think you can compare the 2... Smith is more finesse.. I would compare him to Maclin before Roddy...

I agree with flynismo... Chad Johnson is not a bad comparison.... But Smith body catches alot of ball... one thing ill give chad... in his prime... dude was a great hand catcher. But the Chad Johnson comparison isnt a bad one.

Ill stop ill the comparisons tho... You guys have a young fast WR that brings something you guys was missing..
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I don't see the Ocho comparison at all.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1304814294' post='683393']<br />I don't see the Ocho comparison at all.<br />[/quote]

same size, same frame, same speed, same ability to go deep, same fiestiness.
The only real differences are Ocho's hands and much more polished route running.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304813704' post='683388']
i agree people see speed and think finesse automatically, but I wouldn't say he is a physical player, I would describe him more as fiesty, which is one reason I compare him to Ocho...he's physical, in his own way
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I think the same thing is true about his hands. People see his raw skill set combined with his small hand size and automatically assume the guy has bad hands. That's not the case from what I've seen of him. He has inconsistent hands, and there's a huge difference imo. Smith will have to work on muscle memory and get constant work on the jug machine to come a more constant pass catcher.

Yea I could see that description, words like feisty, scrappy, determined, tough would probably be better fits, because in my limited exposure to Smith, I always thought he had the potential to play tougher.

But being a full-time WR for only 3 years, will leave a few things to be desired. That's why when people say he'll only be this, or he'll be nothing more then that, it puzzles me. The guy is still rounding out his skill set at the WR position, if he take to his coaching and learns some better technique, i personally think the guy has enough potential to be as good as he wants to be.

It's very comparable to Flacco as a QB. His learning curve at the QB position was steep, but his talent allowed him to overcome most of his flaws in the first 2-3 seasons. Torrey Smith will be the same way imo.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304814681' post='683397']
same size, same frame, same speed, same ability to go deep, same fiestiness.
The only real differences are Ocho's hands and much more polished route running.
[/quote]

Isn't that what I said about Roddy minus the toughness lol?

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304813704' post='683388']
i agree people see speed and think finesse automatically, but I wouldn't say he is a physical player, I would describe him more as fiesty, which is one reason I compare him to Ocho...he's physical, in his own way
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He's got a pretty good stiff arm, and he's strong.

He certainly has the willingness to become physical but he needs to work on technique.

I think we'll be very happy with Torrey, but we may regret not taking moch. I think you and I have the same feelings on that.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1304797428' post='683292']
Lets hope Smith is more like Wallace or Boldin in that he is highly productive his first season. White was bordering on bust before the light finally came on for him. We need instant impact.
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Either player will greatly make me happy

[AwakenTheDemon]

Torrey Smith fans are already striking me as rabid and vocal as Troy Smith fans were... I only hope things change and they don't become as irrational as Troy fans were.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1304823189' post='683441']
Torrey Smith fans are already striking me as rabid and vocal as Troy Smith fans were... I only hope things change and they don't become as irrational as Troy fans were.
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Not saying he was going to be the resurrection of an offense and I would certainly like to have flacco if given the option of the two. However I will say he never really got a chance here. He was drafted when we had an all pro quarterback in steve mcnair and he got sick when he was going to be our starter. He could have played lights out ball or he could have been another boller who knows. Wait I take that back other than grbac nobody could be as bad as boller and even that is a close race.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Sorry to get off topic there but Torrey Snmith has all the potential in the world, am I saying he will be another andre johnson, megatron, fitz, or roddy white but can he be a very good receiver, enough so that our offense can be prolific, with him, doss, Q, and reed in a few years, with flacco chuckin it and rice running it. I am more than optimistic about that to say the least.

[flynismo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1304823189' post='683441']<br />Torrey Smith fans are already striking me as rabid and vocal as Troy Smith fans were... I only hope things change and they don't become as irrational as Troy fans were.<br />[/quote]


i think that's cool though. I like to see our people get excited, even if I dont share the excitement..
The only time it annoys me is when people hype up guys who really have no chance of being anything worthwhile...you and I both have pretty low expectations of Torrey, but I dont think either of us would be surprised if three years from now Torrey is a pretty good player.

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304812849' post='683382']
I could really care less about the Roddy White comparisons, how i would like to know what exactly do you see in Smith's game to lead you to believe he's a finesse player.

I'm sure you guys get enough ACC games in the ATL.

For me I see a lot of physicality in Torrey Smiths game. From winning battles at the LOS, to running through attempted arm tackles, to a nice stiff arm that I've been noticing about him, to his ability to not only compete for the football, but win those jump ball battles and also turn into a defender to prevent potential INTS.

I know when I watched him against my Seminoles, I was a guy that fought for every yard, even when he was on the sidelines. He's a guy that rarely allows the first guy to bring him down and that's not always because of his speed.

I'm not saying that you'd did this, but often times when people see a WR with great speed and quickness they automatically think finesse. Well when I watched Torrey the last think i thought about was him being finesse.
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yea.. i love college football and i also love the draft season (the reason why i look at alot of college football) ...

You are taking what im saying the way... I like Torrey Smith... I wanted the falcons to draft him (before we trade up to get Julio) so trust me... Im not knocking the guy... I like him... Ive heard some compare him to heyward bay and troy williamson but the guy work ethic makes me think thats out of the question.


I just think Torrey can do damage against #2 CB's... I think #1 CB's (in the NFL) will rough him up some on the LOS and he does way to much body catching...#1 CB's will collect pass defended doing some of the body catches he did in college... I wasnt saying he is a weak player.. The guy breaks tackles... Like some one said... He is feisty and the guy gives it his all.

I wanted the falcons to draft him because i think he can shine as a #2 WR with some coaching plus the guy is a great return guy.

Some may disagree... im just saying what i saw and think

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304827530' post='683472']
i think that's cool though. I like to see our people get excited, even if I dont share the excitement..
The only time it annoys me is when people hype up guys who really have no chance of being anything worthwhile...you and I both have pretty low expectations of Torrey, but I dont think either of us would be surprised if three years from now Torrey is a pretty good player.
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At this point in my Ravens fandom I would settle for a drafted WR who turns out to be a solid NFL pro lol

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304827530' post='683472']
i think that's cool though. I like to see our people get excited, even if I dont share the excitement..
The only time it annoys me is when people hype up guys who really have no chance of being anything worthwhile...you and I both have pretty low expectations of Torrey, but I dont think either of us would be surprised if three years from now Torrey is a pretty good player.
[/quote]

I agree, he has ideal measurables but so do many other failed wide receivers. I have a wait and see mentality considering our history with the position.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1304831684' post='683516']
yea.. i love college football and i also love the draft season (the reason why i look at alot of college football) ...

You are taking what im saying the way... I like Torrey Smith... I wanted the falcons to draft him (before we trade up to get Julio) so trust me... Im not knocking the guy... I like him... Ive heard some compare him to heyward bay and troy williamson but the guy work ethic makes me think thats out of the question.


I just think Torrey can do damage against #2 CB's... I think #1 CB's (in the NFL) will rough him up some on the LOS and he does way to much body catching...#1 CB's will collect pass defended doing some of the body catches he did in college... I wasnt saying he is a weak player.. The guy breaks tackles... Like some one said... He is feisty and the guy gives it his all.

I wanted the falcons to draft him because i think he can shine as a #2 WR with some coaching plus the guy is a great return guy.

Some may disagree... im just saying what i saw and think
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oh no i didn't think you were knocking Smith at all, just wanted to get a better understanding of how you viewed Smith, because I assumed you got to saw him a few times in the ACC. I'm not one of those guys that think just because you have low expectations of a guy, or you say something negative towards or about the guy, that you automatically hate him.

I just enjoy getting others opinion of matters we discuss here. If Torrey Smith worked hard and became a really good #2 WR in the NFL, i don't think I nor anyone else could complain about that. Hell being a good #2 would make him the best WR we've ever drafted.

I just feel Smith has the potential to be a #1 WR if that's what the Ravens need him to be, with the way our young WR is shaping up, it might not even matter. Is that based solely off his production at UMD, No, it's more of an projection.

If I were looking at Torrey Smith as a WR who's played the position all through pee-wee and high school, then I'd probably have the same view as you, which i agree with by the way, Smith could be a great #2. However after I learned that 2008 was his first season as an full-time WR, I watched him with that in mind.

Knowing that 2008 was his first year, running routes, reading defense, focusing on catching the ball and making a play before the big hit and just being a WR moreso then a returner who can make plays on offense, I watched Smith to see exactly where he improved. The sample size was small, with youtube and re-runs of some UMD games, however I did see much improvement from year to year with Smith.

From 08' to 09' to 10' Torrey Smith improved in almost every area of his game, that I could see. From tracking the ball down field better, to attacking the ball with his hands better, to his spacing on certain routes, stacking DBs at the top of his routes, and being able to make plays downfield with tight one on one coverage. Does he still have much to improve on? Of course

However if things hold true, Smith will be much better as a WR in his 4th year playing the position then he was in his 3rd. I don't think there is any doubt in the Ravens minds that Smith is a hard worker and willing learner. So if his potential right now is a great #2 after only 3 full years of WR play, then what would his potential be after 6-7 years of playing the WR position. Well with hard work and the proper coaching I'm projecting he'll have the potential to be a top notch WR no matter if he's viewed as a #1 or #2. That's just how I see it, but only time will tell.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1304834673' post='683525']
I agree, he has ideal measurables but so do many other failed wide receivers. I have a wait and see mentality considering our history with the position.
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I think most of us feel the same way. If the Ravens found success with any drafted WR since 96' our view point on Torrey Smith might be much different. However because we haven't, I think we have to take a wait and see approach, which should be the approach we take anyway.

It's just like Flacco. Many fans were unsure of how that would turn out. Some people didn't want Flacco, they would have rather drafted Henne or Brohm, or O'Connell or Bennan, or Woodson. Some fans were even saying Flacco was nothing more then another Kyle Boller.

So things can get real ugly around this time, until these young guys show and prove. Especially with positions that have been previously unsuccessful.

[edreedfromtheu]

I agree that Torrey Smith could be really good in the NFL.

But it's the quarterback, Joe Flacco in this case, that is going to determine how good the receiver can be.

I'm optimistic for the kid, but hesitant to get my hopes up too high because of what Cam Cameron and Flacco have shown so far.

[flynismo]

Yeah that dang Flacco sux!! He's going to be the reason Torrey busts.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1304858134' post='683557']
I agree that Torrey Smith could be really good in the NFL.

But it's the quarterback, Joe Flacco in this case, that is going to determine how good the receiver can be.

I'm optimistic for the kid, but hesitant to get my hopes up too high because of what Cam Cameron and Flacco have shown so far.
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I can understand your hesitation with cam cameron, I think everyone on these message boards agrre with you there. And I also like how you connected Flacco with torrey's success because every great receiver generally has at least a serviceable QB. But I do not understand your hesitation there, since he was drafted the one positive that the FO has said about him regardless of where he was in his progression is that he has a huge arm. So we finally get him a guy that can utilize that and you think it is going to fail because of Flacco. That is where you are losing me. Now if you were to say that you were afraid for the flacco/smith combo was going to suck because flacco was going to be handing it off on an end around then I could understand, but with them playing pitch and catch I think it could be a very nice tandem.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1304866196' post='683587']<br /> I can understand your hesitation with cam cameron, I think everyone on these message boards agrre with you there.  And I also like how you connected Flacco with torrey's success because every great receiver generally has at least a serviceable QB.  But I do not understand your hesitation there, since he was drafted the one positive that the FO has said about him regardless of where he was in his progression is that he has a huge arm.  So we finally get him a guy that can utilize that and you think it is going to fail because of Flacco.  That is where you are losing me.  Now if you were to say that you were afraid for the flacco/smith combo was going to suck because flacco was going to be handing it off on an end around then I could understand, but with them playing pitch and catch I think it could be a very nice tandem.<br />[/quote]


you know how every fan base has the fan who hates the stud QB and picks apart every little thing he does? Edreedfromtheu is that guy for us....
But on occasion, even he gives Flacco his due. It really frustrates me! If you're gonna hate, go all the way and hate! None of this part time hatin'!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304866727' post='683591']
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you know how every fan base has the fan who hates the stud QB and picks apart every little thing he does? Edreedfromtheu is that guy for us....
But on occasion, even he gives Flacco his due. It really frustrates me! If you're gonna hate, go all the way and hate! None of this part time hatin'!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/quote]

ahh thanks you for letting me know, I was thoroughly confused for a minute, i never really noticed it.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304866727' post='683591']
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you know how every fan base has the fan who hates the stud QB and picks apart every little thing he does? Edreedfromtheu is that guy for us....
But on occasion, even he gives Flacco his due. It really frustrates me! If you're gonna hate, go all the way and hate! None of this part time hatin'!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Yea even when Flacco goes on to do major things this season and beyoud, the potential to hate will still be there. Only it will be the people who say....well look at all the talent they surrounded Flacco with since he was drafted. Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Devon Drew, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss. The Ravens made it as easy as possible for Flacco to success. Or they'll say how Ray Rice is the true leader and engine that drives this offense. Some people will not stop hatin...

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304867808' post='683601']<br />Yea even when Flacco goes on to do major things this season and beyoud, the potential to hate will still be there. Only it will be the people who say....well look at all the talent they surrounded Flacco with since he was drafted. Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Devon Drew, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss. The Ravens made it as easy as possible for Flacco to success. Or they'll say how Ray Rice is the true leader and engine that drives this offense. Some people will not stop hatin...<br />[/quote]


that is true, but at least that's every fan base and not just us lol...
You guys should see the ATL forums after Ryan has a bad game...I've never heard the term 'noodle arm' used so much in my life haha

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304868514' post='683610']
that is true, but at least that's every fan base and not just us lol...
You guys should see the ATL forums after Ryan has a bad game...I've never heard the term 'noodle arm' used so much in my life haha
[/quote]

Wow noodle arm...that's funny. I can only imagine what a convo between a Flacco hater, who would love him to be more like Matt Ryan and one of those guys that called Ryan a "noodle arm".

I think we all as fans, Ravens and Falcons alike, deserve a good laugh from hearing that one.

My young Stud QB sucks, I wish he was like yours. No no my young Stud QB sucks more, I wish he was like yours.... Man I'm glad we understand each other because most other fans just can't see where I'm coming from. Ahh man forget those other fans, they don't know what good Qbs are about.

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304854189' post='683552']
oh no i didn't think you were knocking Smith at all, just wanted to get a better understanding of how you viewed Smith, because I assumed you got to saw him a few times in the ACC. I'm not one of those guys that think just because you have low expectations of a guy, or you say something negative towards or about the guy, that you automatically hate him.

I just enjoy getting others opinion of matters we discuss here. If Torrey Smith worked hard and became a really good #2 WR in the NFL, i don't think I nor anyone else could complain about that. Hell being a good #2 would make him the best WR we've ever drafted.

I just feel Smith has the potential to be a #1 WR if that's what the Ravens need him to be, with the way our young WR is shaping up, it might not even matter. Is that based solely off his production at UMD, No, it's more of an projection.

If I were looking at Torrey Smith as a WR who's played the position all through pee-wee and high school, then I'd probably have the same view as you, which i agree with by the way, Smith could be a great #2. However after I learned that 2008 was his first season as an full-time WR, I watched him with that in mind.

Knowing that 2008 was his first year, running routes, reading defense, focusing on catching the ball and making a play before the big hit and just being a WR moreso then a returner who can make plays on offense, I watched Smith to see exactly where he improved. The sample size was small, with youtube and re-runs of some UMD games, however I did see much improvement from year to year with Smith.

From 08' to 09' to 10' Torrey Smith improved in almost every area of his game, that I could see. From tracking the ball down field better, to attacking the ball with his hands better, to his spacing on certain routes, stacking DBs at the top of his routes, and being able to make plays downfield with tight one on one coverage. Does he still have much to improve on? Of course

However if things hold true, Smith will be much better as a WR in his 4th year playing the position then he was in his 3rd. I don't think there is any doubt in the Ravens minds that Smith is a hard worker and willing learner. So if his potential right now is a great #2 after only 3 full years of WR play, then what would his potential be after 6-7 years of playing the WR position. Well with hard work and the proper coaching I'm projecting he'll have the potential to be a top notch WR no matter if he's viewed as a #1 or #2. That's just how I see it, but only time will tell.
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yea i looked at maryland games .. Dude is a talented WR... You should be able to go to espn 3 online and look at a couple of games... This year he played with a bum ankle most of the season... But you can see the guy has that speed element you guys are looking for.



[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304868514' post='683610']
that is true, but at least that's every fan base and not just us lol...
You guys should see the ATL forums after Ryan has a bad game...I've never heard the term 'noodle arm' used so much in my life haha
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Dude it gets rediculous... When Ryan makes a HUGE throw and makes a comeback throw ... He is Peyton Manning jr.... When Matt Ryan has a bad game,... Noodle Arm or they praise the opposing QB.

98% of the fans are not like that... but the 2% that is like that... They can post ALLLLLL day about it... I cant lie... Most of them are also bucs and saints fans but some of them are falcons fans

[mgridda]

I find it really hilarious that we have two members on this board who - before the draft - could only put down Torrey Smith, say he's not a deep threat, say he doesn't have speed, say he doesn't have acceleration.

When faced with evidence of having the fastest 10 yard split for WRs at the combine, or a top 5 40 for WRs at the combine, they continued to deny that Smith had top end speed. When faced with a quote about Newsome saying that there is a guy in the draft with height (Baldwin) a guy with speed (Smith) they said that I didn't know who Newsome was insinuating so I should just shut up. That Torrey Smith was slow, overrated and not a good prospect.

In comes the draft, Ozzie Newsome drafts Smith in the 2nd round, the war room blows up, Ozzie says he's happier about his first two picks than he's been in a long time in a draft, scouts say they've never seen Ozzie Newsome more charged and fired up, Ozzie finally gets a good night's sleep, Harbaugh tells a story about how he thought there'd be no way Torrey would still be available in the 2nd (thankfully a lot of QBs went early), then Ozzie comes in and basically praises Torrey Smith in every single way that those 2 posters knocked him down:

he praises his speed, that he's a burner, a deep threat, that he's accomplished

and best of all says that he'll immediately be competing for the starting WR job. What could be sweeter?

"
“It’s a dream team for us with this draft, being able to get both of those guys,” Newsome said. “I don’t think there's anyone involved with the scouting aspect or coaching that’s not very happy with these two picks. We’re happy about those other picks but those (first) two especially.”"

Basically, they feel they can scout players better than Ozzie Newsome.

[Ravens Lover]

I'm not sure id put him there quite yet, but it'll be interesting to see how he does with Flacco