Troy Better Than Ed?

[scrock]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1304545152' post='681664']
Their both great players, and of course me being a Raven fan will choose ed and i'm sure steeler fan will choose troy.
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Most of them would, I've seen some Steelers pick Reed over Troy...its been a while though and its a rare thing.

[Shammy]

you cant debate either being greater than the either they're both great players .. of course ravens fans are gonna say eds better just as pitts fans are gonna say troys better

[wayne]

To me though, when it comes down to two great players and you are trying to rank them, stats, personal awards, records, etc.... comes into play. Its hard to factor SB wins into the equation b/c that's a team achievement and the other categories are personal achievements . With that being said, Ed is obvious the better player.

Anyway, Ed missed the first 6 games and Troy won DPOY which I doubt was by a landslide so for this past season, I can see Troy killing Ed in the votes for the best safety this season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1304550225' post='681731']
[b]you cant debate either being greater than the either[/b] they're both great players .. of course ravens fans are gonna say eds better just as pitts fans are gonna say troys better
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Pretty sure you can. Them playing different positions doesn't prevent comparison either.

[20ravens52]

Ok people here's what we know:

- Ed is better in pass coverage
- Troy is better in run support (this is not a contest due to Reed's injury)

I'd say Reed is better because there are far fewer safeties that excel defending the pass like Reed can and causes even elite quarterbacks to aviod him.


So...Reed gets the edge(even with the neck/shoulder injury)but, if he didn't have the injury this would be a run away victory for Reed.

[Bltravens]

I still cant believe Ed had 8 ints and 16 passes defensed in only 10 games, thats just insane.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304551821' post='681750']
I still cant believe Ed had 8 ints and 16 passes defensed in only 10 games, thats just insane.
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Him breaking up 5 passes against TB makes that tally even more impressive.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304551821' post='681750']
I still cant believe Ed had 8 ints and 16 passes defensed in only 10 games, thats just insane.
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He probably ends up with 11-14 1nts if starts the season.

[ellicottraven]

Frankly the very premise that Troy is compared to Ed Reed is very revolting to me!

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304550944' post='681738']
Pretty sure you can. Them playing different positions doesn't prevent comparison either.
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Especially considering they play in similar systems and while Ed played SS for his first 3-4 years, he was destroying Troy in most statistical categories and beating him in others like tackles and sacks. Also, Ed won DPOY playing SS and was highly considered for the award playing FS for the last few years, especially the 09 season which Deion say he should be considered for MVP of the season, let's see Troy switch to FS and win the award or highly be considered.

[Ravenslifer]

I personally think Ed Reed is much more of a game changer. He has twice the INTs while playing only two and a half more seasons. Besides, Troy has had the advantage of playing with a very good quarterback since 2005, while Ed Reed spent the first 6 years of his career with such instability at the qb position, so the "team success" i.e. postseason appearances and superbowl victories don't factor in as much.

[Greatness]

First problem is taking ESPN seriously. One-dimensional Polomalu is cool and all, but he's no ED Reed. Put Troy in coverage and he's a complete fraud. These clowns are just lucky Reed can't do the things he used to with his injury. Troy probably couldn't do the same if he were in Reed's position.

[H8R]

Nonsense.

[DMT]

It seems everyone still forgets that in Ed's 3 years as a strong safety he had more interceptions than Polamalu after 7. That's the only way you can compare them...when they were both strong safeties. An FS and SS are two different positions.

[wayne]

[quote name='DMT' timestamp='1304623339' post='682317']
It seems everyone still forgets that in Ed's 3 years as a strong safety he had more interceptions than Polamalu after 7. That's the only way you can compare them...when they were both strong safeties. An FS and SS are two different positions.
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He had more than interceptions than Troy, will post the vid that breaks down everything when I get home.

[darklight1216]

I put this in another thread, but I think it's still relevant.

[quote]“I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’ ” said the Pittsburgh Steelers’ own exceptional safety, Troy Polamalu. “We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him.

“Whenever you see him have a one-interception game, it’s disappointing. ‘What happened to Ed? He only took it to the 1? He must be injured.’ I don’t think it’s athleticism that makes great plays. He’s got a football I.Q., a really instinctual way of playing the game.”[/quote]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/sports/football/18reed.html

[quote]Here’s where Ed Reed is better than I (Ronnie Lott) was or better than Kenny Easley or better than any safety who played the game. When he gets his hands on the ball after making an interception, he is no longer a defensive player running with the ball. He is an offensive player. It’s not just that he’s fast or quick, he knows how to run once he has the ball. He knows how to set up his blockers and he knows what moves to make. It’s like he’s Barry Sanders running with the ball.”

“He is a good hitter. He can really strike. Maybe I hit a little bit harder but it’s not like Reed is deficient in that area. He plays the run well. He tackles and he can cover. But what separates him from everybody who has played the position is his ability with the ball in his hands.

“I really take note of it because it was something I wanted to do when I was playing. I wanted to make the moves Reed does when he has the ball. I couldn’t do that. He can."

“I don’t think Ed Reed has to take a back seat to anybody who ever played the position. ANYBODY.”[/quote]
http://www.procanes.com/files/3f5256dc5edbfa1411ce80e7abbbb3cf-3580.html

That's pretty high praise. I think these statements carry more weight than ESPN's recent "findings," but that's just my opinion.

[shawn ny]

The only reason that they said troy is better than ed is because without troy the steelers defense is mediocre at best. While ed is sick beyond all belief the ravens always seem to manage to live without him when he is hurt.

[Ravens Lover]

The funny thing is Troy has what 20 INts less than Reed and does Troy have any Records I don't think so

[Ravenseconbeast]

People often forget that Ed Reed was a SS in his first 4 years, and even then Ed beats Troy's first 4 year's stats in every category. I can't imagine Troy trying out as a FS, he'd get ripped apart on backfield by elite QB's.

Like what someone mentioned above, Troy is alot like a glorified LB. I'd take a pass rusher for that, not a safety.

[1/28/01]

Ed - on the top 100 of all time
Troy - not even mentioned

Just sayin'

[zgf123]

reed is better even when hurt....when he is healthy its not even close...the ONLY person reed should ever be mentioned with or compared to is ronnie lott...everyone else can just stand in line for autographs!

[Blackbird20]

I am a new Ravens fan in 2011, although I know much of and have seen most of the Ravens games dating back to 1996 as I have been a devout fan of the NFL since 1984. There is absolutely no question even before I became a Ravens fan, that Ed Reed is unquestionably a better Safety than Troy (even though they play different positions). In fact, I will go as far as to say that the only safety at both positions that was better was Ronnie Lott, but Reed is a close 2nd. I am not trying to say that Troy isnt a great player, because he is, I will give him his due. But he cant touch Ed Reed, I dont even care what any Pittsburgh fan has to say about it.

At the end of the day it all comes down to making plays, and Reed just totally destroys Troy in interceptions and TD's, and thats what its all about. Before becoming a Ravens fan, I always had a huge amount of respect for Reed and how he just had this uncanny ability to make plays on the football. Even when Reed used to rip apart the team I followed for 25 years (not an AFC North team), it was hard to get angry about a player that you had to respect.

Troy, eat your heart out, you will never be as great as Ed Reed, past, present or future. Reed is a first ballot hall of famer and I certainly believe he will retire with the ring he deserves - and I personally intend to be a part of this moment! No blackbird will ever wear #20 again when his legendary career comes to a close.

Go Ravens!!!!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1304526581' post='681365']
So many that they probably count as 5% of the threads on this forum.

Troy IS better for the record. lol
[/quote]

lol You are entitled to your Steeler vision opinion.

This is a silly debate imo since if we all were honest (Steeler and Ravens' fans alike) we'd drool to have both of them on our team! That said, I do recall a Top 100 list put together by the REAL NFL experts, not the ESPN hacks, where Reed made the list and Troy did not. Ahem. lol

[Bea]

I've always thought this is a redundant argument. Might as well be comparing Peyton Manning and Andre Johnson.

Ed Reed is the better FS and Troy Polamalu is the better SS.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Bea' timestamp='1304680424' post='682722']
I've always thought this is a redundant argument. Might as well be comparing Peyton Manning and Andre Johnson.

Ed Reed is the better FS and Troy Polamalu is the better SS.
[/quote]

Not to split hairs but Reed played SS for 4 yrs I believe, or something close to that, and put up way better #s than Troy. Just sayin'.

[Alexir]

Was Troy on NFLN's Top 100 Greatest players of all time or was Ed Reed? Yeah, thats right it was Ed Reed. Ed Reed will have a better year than him this year

[Bea]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1304682692' post='682727']
Not to split hairs but Reed played SS for 4 yrs I believe, or something close to that, and put up way better #s than Troy. Just sayin'.
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I know. I typed that pre-neck injury Reed would be a better SS than Troy but deleted it. I decided it was about the present.

ESPN are just being lazy. I assume OLB and MLBs are all bunched under LBs?

Are QBs and HBs and FBs all just classed as 'backs'?

If you're going to do a list, do it properly ESPN.

[Guest RBates]

Ed Reed might finish his career as the best safety to ever play the game, and people are saying Troy is better, after getting roasted in the Superbowl. HUH?........

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I have to give it to ed not just because I am a ravens fan but because looking at their games they are eerily similar. When ed was playing SS he had the same numbers as Polamalu. When I look at the part I would value the most if I was a DC it is no contest. That category is game breaker. Sorry to steelers fans but who is the best playmaker in NFL secondaries. It is ed plain and simple.

[ed.s52]

My opinion... turnovers>tackles.

That, not including Ed's injury woes and tackling ability, automatically make Ed better in my book.