Foxworth

[SpeedKills]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304561059' post='681875']
Who you'd pick if you could pay them the same amount goes without saying. However, there's a good chance Nnamdi earns more than 7 million per year once the bidding starts.
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If teams are smart, they START at 7 million a year, otherwise his price will skyrocket. We're just not going to be able to get him, unless he;s more concerned about winning than money. And this is the guy who wanted the highest paying contract for a CB in the league (and obviously got it in Oakland).

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='SpeedKills' timestamp='1304561150' post='681877']
If teams are smart, they START at 7 million a year, otherwise his price will skyrocket. We're just not going to be able to get him, unless he;s more concerned about winning than money. And this is the guy who wanted the highest paying contract for a CB in the league (and obviously got it in Oakland).
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I don't know... I just have a feeling about Nnamdi. Not him playing for us, but for a competitor and getting paid well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMj67OjY2eU
He talks about winning the super bowl. I don't think a 1 year 7 million dollar contract on a team on the brink of the superbowl is totally unrealistic. I just don't think it'll be us.

[Ed_Reed20]

Asomugha isn't signing a one-year deal.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1304543755' post='681638']
I definately wouldnt want to see Foxy cut, but if id have to choose between him, Wilson, or Carr id definately have him last on my list. He played well later in the season, but gave up on a few plays ie. 2009 Cincy game when Ocho had a long bomb TD. I havent seen that with either Carr or Wilson..
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Much like ED20, I never remember Foxy giving up on a play. Carr improved immensely, but so had Foxy. Had he not gone down before the season started, I doubt anyone would say they'd rather have Carr. Granted had he not gone down, we never would have gone after Wilson, most likely.

Carr would actually be at the bottom of my list between the three of them. It's not that I don't like Carr, he's been solid and make some picks when needed, but Wilson and Foxworth are better players, period. Regardless, I hope to see Domonique sit down with the team and change the finances of his contract.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1304560435' post='681865']
If nnamdi says he'll play for 6 million for one year versus Foxworth for 6 million in 1 year... you pretty much have to.

I expect Nnamdi to get paid like Reevis (7 million ish) as opposed to 10 million, 10 is ridiculous.
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He just came off a 3 year 45 million $ contract. He's not going to take 7 million a year.

[scrock]

this is funny, i remember when people were so down on Wilson now they are saying he's better than Foxworth..he was injured all last year so people forget his ability. The year before Foxworth was the best CB we had and now suddenly he's not needed and we should ask him to take pay cut or get rid of him...

Most likely, we resign Wilson and Carr..Washington is gone, duh...and Nnamdi isnt coming, if he comes I'll be shocked as hell.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='deathbird52' timestamp='1304562245' post='681894']
He just came off a 3 year 45 million $ contract. He's not going to take 7 million a year.
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And with all that money you really don't think he'll try to win a superbowl.

Please watch interview, you can see it in his eyes, he wants to win the superbowl. I'm not saying he'll be a raven, but he'll sign with a contender for PLENTY of money. Just not 15 million a year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1304563076' post='681908']
this is funny, i remember when people were so down on Wilson now they are saying he's better than Foxworth..he was injured all last year so people forget his ability. The year before Foxworth was the best CB we had and now suddenly he's not needed and we should ask him to take pay cut or get rid of him...

Most likely, we resign Wilson and Carr..Washington is gone, duh...and Nnamdi isnt coming, if he comes I'll be shocked as hell.
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It'll be difficult to re-sign them both if Foxworth doesn't take a pay-cut.

[Alexir]

I personally think Josh Wilson is a better corner. Foxworth is soft and falls on his face every 2 seconds. Plus he is prolonging this lock out lol. Seriously though, he is getting paid number 1 money and he isn't a number 1. I rather cut him.

[Ronthekeys]

I don't think we need aso, but the only real contenders is us. The eagles are the only other team that have a real shot at him and they didn't draft a cb. Between us and the eagles we are clearly the better team and have a real shot at the superbowl. You also have to factor in that we have a great defense and I kno ray, ed,and suggs would open his eyes more because great players want to be around other great players. Who wouldn't want to play with reed, ray and suggs. The eagles aren't known for there defense so we would be the more attractive team. If the eagles offer him 2 to 3 mil more a year and he really want to win a superbowl I think he would way his options and want to play for a team that can win now which is us. The redskins and cowboys are not contenders.. so I really dont see him signing with either team unless he wants the money more then the ring. Again I don't think we need him now and think we would be good with our guys, but we are clearly the only real contenders and the best team out of his options that can win a superbowl now.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1304563844' post='681918']
And with all that money you really don't think he'll try to win a superbowl.

Please watch interview, you can see it in his eyes, he wants to win the superbowl. I'm not saying he'll be a raven, but he'll sign with a contender for PLENTY of money. Just not 15 million a year.
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I hope you're right. If you are Ed might get 20 ints next season. I repeat, 20 ints. Having 2 largre press corners will throw off the timing of recievers and force numerous over throws. We all know catches that ball. Ed, and I, aswell as other Ravens fans will bask in the glory of his GREATNESS!

[wayne]

I believe he would sacrifice money over winning a SB. I believe we can get him.

[D-Rey]

He may not be even close to the best CB in the league, but Foxy has always been one of my favorites. I was really happy when we picked him up. I don't know why people were expecting Foxy to pick the defense up so fast when he got here. When a player comes into a new system, they usually don't pick it up right away. I thought he was going to have a breakout year last year before he got hurt. i don't know about this year though, ACL tears or any injury for that matter impact different players in different ways. I think he has the ability to be a #1 corner in our defense, there is no doubt in my mind he is a #2 corner.

With that said, I would love to bring Wilson back. In the league these days, as other people said, you need three starter quality CBs. Especially with how many injuries come with the position. I just can't see us letting a talent like Wilson walk, especially since we got him for only a 5th rounder.

I envision us letting Carr walk, I have a special place in my heart for Carr though. He went from being a corner that everyone wanted to get rid of to a fan favorite. Hard work and determination can do that. Carr will always be a Raven in my eyes, he most definitely plays like one.

As far as Brown goes, I don't think he figures into the equation at this point in time. i think he is going to go on the practice squad and try to work his way up from there.

[Perfekt]

I feel the same way about Carr no matter where he goes he has a special place in my heart. He will remain a Raven for life.

Foxworth isnt going anywhere because as much as yall hating hes still a great #2 option.

Between Wilson an Carr I would choose Wilson as well but Carr had alot more key plays that people forgot about. How about all the forced fumbles an picks he had or better yet lets look at who had more pass deflections. True Wilson didnt get as much time as Carr but thats because Carr was solid. Im not hating cuz I like Wilson but I dont want people to think that Carr isnt just as good.


Aso is not coming to Bmore get over it.

[ellicottraven]

Our CB roster as I see it in 2011
Foxworth - Starting
Smith - Starting/rotation/special teams
Webb - Starting/rotation/special teams
Wilson - starting/rotation
Cary Williams - special teams/rotation
Chykee Brown - special teams/rotation

The rest will be cut by training camp or released...

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1304604535' post='682061']
Our CB roster as I see it in 2011
Foxworth - Starting
Smith - Starting/rotation/special teams
Webb - Starting/rotation/special teams
Wilson - starting/rotation
Cary Williams - special teams/rotation
Chykee Brown - special teams/rotation

The rest will be cut by training camp or released...
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The problem with that is Pagano already told Smith to be ready to cover opposing teams' best receivers. So he'll be starting next to Wilson and Foxworth (if Wilson is retained).

[scrock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304564654' post='681927']
It'll be difficult to re-sign them both if Foxworth doesn't take a pay-cut.
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That's a tough choice then because Carr was our best CB for most of year and Wilson came on late and played well.

Idk but if they only resign one they will need to add another corner for depth unless they think Cary Williams and Chykie Brown is gonna step up

Foxworth, Smith, Webb, Wilson/Carr, Williams...anyone else?

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1304605842' post='682081']
That's a tough choice then because Carr was our best CB for most of year and Wilson came on late and played well.

Idk but if they only resign one they will need to add another corner for depth unless they think Cary Williams and Chykie Brown is gonna step up

[b]Foxworth, Smith, Webb, Wilson/Carr, Williams...anyone else?[/b]
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Brown will make the team. As much as I like Williams, I think he could end up [i]back[/i] on the Practice Squad. So it'd end up something like this:
Smith, Foxworth, Wilson/Webb, Webb/Carr, Brown

That's depending on who's retained.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1304608309' post='682110']
Brown will make the team. [b]As much as I like Williams, I think he could end up [i]back[/i] on the Practice Squad[/b]. So it'd end up something like this:
Smith, Foxworth, Wilson/Webb, Webb/Carr, Brown

That's depending on who's retained.
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I don't think Williams is eligible for the practice squad anymore.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304610758' post='682146']
I don't think Williams is eligible for the practice squad anymore.
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Yeah, I forgot it you play in 9 or more games, you are no longer eligible to be on the PS.

[-Truth-]

If Wilson is demoted to Nickel duties, I don't see him returning at all. If that's the case, for his sake, I hope he doesn't. He'd be wasting his talents after an undeserved demotion.

[Yatagarasu]

I believe that two, if not all of our free agent Cornerbacks will be gone because the money out there for their service will be too good for them to pass.

Chris Carr and Josh Wilson are probably going to get 7-8 million dollar offers from some teams due to their solid starts and scarcity of serviceable corners in this upcoming free agency. Also, I think Fabian Washington is going to the Lions because they seem to have a mutual agreement with each other after how the lions drafted a mean defensive line.

Also, I will say that some teams out there might even be interested in trading for Foxworth because the bulk of Foxworth's salary is already paid and Foxworth is probably seen as a plug in player for some teams. I could see the Lions or Cowboys trading for him with a 3rd round or 4th round pick, no questions asked.

With most, if not all of our past corners gone from the poaching of other teams. I assume Ozzie is going to try hard to get Nnamdi to come over to the Ravens. Getting Nnamdi for anything under 10 million dollars is a steal. However, if Nnamdi gets hurt, it could be a disaster, however Nnamdi has been pretty durable.

I view that it is better to get a surefire shutdown corner for 10-11 million dollars than get 2 solid corners for 5-7 million dollars each.

Also, with Jimmy Smith and Nnamdi Asomugha covering the opponents big-time receivers, I can see Chuck Pagano scheming Ed Reed to bait those 3rd or 4th WRs, who are prone to make mistakes. Also, I like our chances that Cary Willaims and Lardarius Webb can cover their guy with enough time for the pass rushers to arrive.

[Perfekt]

I dont see us getting Aso just like i dont see anyone trading for Foxworth coming off a Acl tear. Nice breakdown tho just doesnt seem logical. I dont see us losing both our FA cbs either because we will resign atleast one of the two.

[Yatagarasu]

This is just pure speculation, but I could see our cornerback roster looking like this, if Nnamdi comes to Baltimore.

2011 CB Roster:

CB#1 Nnamdi Asomugha - signed 20-22 million dollar contract with the Ravens ($10-11 million per season)
CB#2 Jimmy Smith - signs a 5 year 13-14 million dollars ($1.5-2 million per season)
CB#3 Lardarius Webb - due $480,000 this year (Webb has proven to be a valuable pick)
CB#4 Cary Williams - signs 1.3 million dollar contract for two years (Low risk with high reward)
CB#5 Chykie Brown - Rookie minimum
Also, in nickel or dime packages, Haruki Nakamura and another Safety could help out
Checking our previous seasons, we usually carry around 5 CBs.

I assume none of our free agent Corners will return due to the feeding frenzy from cornerback needy teams
Also, I could see Foxworth being traded for a 4th, maybe 3rd, to a Cornerback needy team. I assume the Lions, or maybe the Cowboys.

Next, is our CB roster, if we decide not to go after Nnamdi Asomugha

CB#1 Domonique Foxworth - due $4,400,000 this year
CB#2 Jimmy Smith - signs a 5 year $13-14 million ($1.5-2 million per season)
CB#3 Chris Carr or Josh Wilson - signs 3 year $18-21 million($6-7 million per season) w/ playoff team discount
CB#4 Lardarius Webb - due $480,000 this year
CB#5 Cary Williams - signs 2 year 1.3 million dollar contract for two year
CB#6 Chykie Brown - could be practice squad, but also could be a good depth player.

Just by comparing these two possible CB squads, I would say that the economic value are about the same because of Foxworth's contract and Carr/Wilson's contract together would be about the same for Nnamdi's lone contract. However, in sense of fear factor, Nnamdi will alter the way defenses play because of his ability to limit of the affects of big playmaking WRs. Thus, giving more flexiblity for a blitzing defense and less dependability of double coverage of a star player.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304620564' post='682269']
I dont see us getting Aso just like i dont see anyone trading for Foxworth coming off a Acl tear. Nice breakdown tho just doesnt seem logical. I dont see us losing both our FA cbs either because we will resign atleast one of the two.
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You would be surprised what team will do for a starting cornerbacks these days. Remember last year, Atlanta opened up their wallet to sign Dunta Robinson who just tore his ACL the previous season a 6 year $57 million contract. This contract is one of the highest contracts for a cornerback, yet Dunta Robinson did not deliver because he was often abused by big playmaking corners and was recovering from his ACL injury. If I was going to spend that kind of money, I would definitely spend it on Nnamdi Asomugha due to his reputation as a shutdown corner. Even if Nnamdi was hurting, QBs still won't test him.

[AwakenTheDemon]

This people who think we're going to get Asomugha are only settling themselves up for disappointment. I also highly doubt we trade Foxworth.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1304523978' post='681333']
Why cut foxworth? He's going to be a great #2. I think people have forgotten how well he played in the last 3/4's of tge 09 season. He's a good cornerback. Definitely better than wilson and carr
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he is nowhere near the corner wilson is, and he is getting paid way to much to be a #2 corner.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1304624845' post='682347']
he is nowhere near the corner wilson is, and he is getting paid way to much to be a #2 corner.
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Sorry, I don't agree. Don't get me wrong, but Foxworth is far from being "nowhere near the corner Wilson is". He's getting paid alot, but he can always restructure.

[Corvus]

My opinion on how our CB depth shakes out...
Foxworth
Smith
Carr (resigned, details below)
Webb
Williams (more familiar with defense and no longer PS eligible)
Brown (if we keep 6 on the active roster, practice squad otherwise)

Look I would love Asomugha here as much as anyone else but unless he takes a SIGNIFICANT contender discount, its not happening. The bottom line is we have too many of our own guys to address. Haloti needs an extention to replace that franchise tag. If we don't resign Yanda, our o-line will be worse than it was last year. Everyone seems to forget Ray Rice is in the final year of his rookie deal, he wouldn't be a neccessity once the lockout is lifted. But he has never mentioned a new contract to my knowledge and I think he is making less than a million in base salary this year (I may be wrong). Where would our offense be without him? Not to mention Joe will need a new deal after this season. That's a lot of quality players we cannot afford to let go, thus I don't see us being able to pay Asomugha the kind of money Oakland has been giving him.

As I have already said in this thread, I love Josh Wilson, would love to see him back. But he has every right to command some big money AND guaranteed starting time elsewhere in the league, there will definitely be demand for him as Corvus Amplus said. Carr is 2 years older than Wilson and has less starting experience over his career, Wilson at 26 is a stud in the making IMO. Carr as we all know was rock solid and underrated last year. I could definitely see him taking a little less than what Wilson might want, I'm thinking a 3 year 15-18 mil deal. He would obviously give us that 3rd starting caliber corner we need and is another intelligent veteran that can help Jimmy along this year with Foxworth. Just my opinion, but money is a big factor in everything in the league and I think a top 3 of Foxworth, Smith, and Carr is not only an excellent top 3 for us but economical for Biscotti and the salary cap whenever that is set.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1304625556' post='682361']
My opinion on how our CB depth shakes out...
Foxworth
Smith
Carr (resigned, details below)
Webb
Williams (more familiar with defense and no longer PS eligible)
Brown (if we keep 6 on the active roster, practice squad otherwise)

Look I would love Asomugha here as much as anyone else but unless he takes a SIGNIFICANT contender discount, its not happening. The bottom line is we have too many of our own guys to address. Haloti needs an extention to replace that franchise tag. If we don't resign Yanda, our o-line will be worse than it was last year. Everyone seems to forget Ray Rice is in the final year of his rookie deal, he wouldn't be a neccessity once the lockout is lifted. But he has never mentioned a new contract to my knowledge and I think he is making less than a million in base salary this year (I may be wrong). Where would our offense be without him? Not to mention Joe will need a new deal after this season. That's a lot of quality players we cannot afford to let go, thus I don't see us being able to pay Asomugha the kind of money Oakland has been giving him.

As I have already said in this thread, I love Josh Wilson, would love to see him back. But he has every right to command some big money AND guaranteed starting time elsewhere in the league, there will definitely be demand for him as Corvus Amplus said. Carr is 2 years older than Wilson and has less starting experience over his career, Wilson at 26 is a stud in the making IMO. Carr as we all know was rock solid and underrated last year. I could definitely see him taking a little less than what Wilson might want, I'm thinking a 3 year 15-18 mil deal. He would obviously give us that 3rd starting caliber corner we need and is another intelligent veteran that can help Jimmy along this year with Foxworth. Just my opinion, but money is a big factor in everything in the league and I think a top 3 of Foxworth, Smith, and Carr is not only an excellent top 3 for us but economical for Biscotti and the salary cap whenever that is set.
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He'll take a huge pay cut relatively simply because corners are incredibly over paid.

I really don't think a corner is worth more than 8 million a year.