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[Mahatma_Sloth]

All Picks are also links to vids of the pick

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQeLrLog-yQ"]Pick 1(27) Jimmy Smith CB Colo[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_6n_eoI2o"]Pick 2(58) Torry Smith WR MD[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltGHVtRSg_E&feature=related"]pick 3(85) Jah Reid OT/G Cent Fla[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAR8ATXD-X4&feature=related"]Pick 4(123) Tandon Doss WR Ind[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3BNXAHyRQ"]Pick 5(164) Chykie Brown CB Tx[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu3a3ddcRzM"]Pick 6(165) Pernell McPhee DT Miss St[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f223da/2011-Draft-Profile-QB-Tyrod-Taylor-Virginia-Tech?r_src=ramp"]Pick 7(180) Tyrod Taylor QB VaT[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2A7YQzeWQ"]Pick 8(225) Allen Anthony RB GaT[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmJWkcCfmc"]Found a better vid for Pernell McPhee click here[/url]

Who is your favorite/least favorite?
Who will start?
Do any remind you of other players past/present?
What concerns do you have about any of them?
Give OZ a grade!!!

[neoi78]

I think the starters are : Smith and Smith and Reid and Allen

Doss will be worked in slowly as a mason replacement.

I dont believe they will ignore Torrey as they did Donte last year.. someone will lose their job if they do (ahem.. cam)

Tyrod will play if flacco gets hurt (lets pray he doesnt - Joe faithful has been good so far in 3 years)

The others I dont put much faith in.

[hawkprey]

One guy in the front 7 out of nine picks? I was very disappointed, particularly as that's the strength of the 2011 class. I hate when the FO just chooses "the best guy on their board", because that could potentially lead to 9 of the same position. I wanted a pass rusher. Jimmy Smith and Tandon Doss are the only parts of this draft that I liked.

[big hits and ball hawks]

I'm gonna have to agree with neoi78 on this one. The only thing I'd add to it is Tyrod may also be invovled in trick plays and may be put in if we're up big. Also as far as Brown and McPhee go the best they'll do is special teams unless they have an amazing training camp and preseason, assuming there's a season.

[BloodRaven]

There isn't a lot a lot of potential in the back end guys, also we're going to have to pray they are no injuries to the oline this season. Boom/bust draft.

[Yatagarasu]

I say this was the year that we finally got number one caliber CBs and WRs, which were positions that were not addressed in the past.

I say our pass rush is fine and will be even better with Kindle coming back. Look at the Patriots, they can't even pressure Sanchez, yet they were able to get the best record in the NFL.

I wonder if this is the year where Paul Kruger finally turn into the beast that we were all been waiting for. It is the 3rd year where you can start labeling busts and booms.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1304224291' post='678607']
I say this was the year that we finally got number one caliber CBs and WRs, which were positions that were not addressed in the past.

I say our pass rush is fine and will be even better with Kindle coming back. Look at the Patriots, they can't even pressure Sanchez, yet they were able to get the best record in the NFL.

I wonder if this is the year where Paul Kruger finally turn into the beast that we were all been waiting for. It is the 3rd year where you can start labeling busts and booms.
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Kruger's problem is he was always a man without a position. He is a 4-3 defensive end...period. The Ravens tried to make him a 3-4 OLB and that didn't work. Then they tried to bulk him up to play 3-4 DE and that hasn't worked. I just hope the Ravens learn their lesson with him and play to his strength which is rushing the passer!

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1304223986' post='678599']
One guy in the front 7 out of nine picks? I was very disappointed, particularly as that's the strength of the 2011 class. I hate when the FO just chooses "the best guy on their board", because that could potentially lead to 9 of the same position. I wanted a pass rusher. Jimmy Smith and Tandon Doss are the only parts of this draft that I liked.
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Ozzie trusts his board. Would you really rather see him start reaching for need like some teams do? Really? Teams that do that usually pick early in the draft.

The strength of this draft was defensive line not OLB which is what we needed. The best pass rushers, outside of Von Miller, were 4-3 defensive ends in this draft which do us no good. The OLB class in this draft was very weak IMO aside from Miller and I don't care how talented a 3-4 DE is, he's not going to be a big sack guy.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the depth at defensive line pushed talented players at other positions down the board such as CB, WR, and RB which are positions we targeted. We do need to generate a better pass rush but there is still free agency, we can't rule out getting something from Kindle this year and maybe Kruger, and improving the secondary will help too.

[BabydollFlacco5]

Who is your favorite/least favorite?

I really like the Smith/Smith picks and the Tandon Doss pick.
I think Jah Reid has potential and alot of upside, I'm just not so sure he can win the starter job.
I do not like the Chykie Brown pick at all, He is a Liability in Tackling and not a good run blocker either. It seems like his only positive is his speed, But what good is that when he cant do anything with it ? Seems like he will be a ST player only.
Not really sure what to think with the Pernell Mcphee pick, We really needed a pass rusher and he really has No pass rush moves and is another Delvelopmental pick and it seems like he will just get lost behind our Run stuffing DE/DT Depth.
I'm kinda on the fence with the Tyrod Taylor pick. I like the fact that we drafted a Back-up QB, But I'm not so sure about Taylor. But it will be interesting to see how he delvelops and to see what kind of trick plays we can delvelop for Flacco/Taylor.
The RB Anthony Allen, we drafted in the 7th round seems to have some upside and he is a pretty big and physical back. But he is also 1 dimensional, But again .. I will like to see how he does through camps and preseason.

Who will start?

J.Smith/T.Smith will both start. Im thinking Tandon may start too, We know Boldin, Mason, T.Smith should all be "starters", But that leaves D. Reed, Doss, Marcus Smith, J. Harper and those other 2 WR's (Hardy & ??). It's not logical to think we could keep them all .. SO I would think atleast 2 or 3 of those guys woud need to go or atleast go to the P-Squad.
Jah Reid could start, But I'm guessing it will depend on how well he works out at the camps, etc .. and If we address the need via Free Agency or by keeping Gaither.

Do any remind you of other players past/present?

Well ... Torrey Smith reminds me a bit of a young Stallworth, but also some of a Desean Jackson??, But only better. lol. J.Smith reminds me of the obvious (McCallister), also I do see some hints of Cromartie & Nnamdi Asoumaga ??.

What concerns do you have about any of them?

Well ... I am concerned a bit with Jimmy's off the field issues, But I think he has really turned himself around So I dont think he will be a problem.
I do concern myself with wondering if T. Smith will actually be used and if Cam Cameron will actually work these new young WR's into our offense and use them correctly. I Swear is all I see T.Smith run is Reverses and End Arounds - I'm going to FLIP OUT ! Plus I want him to be more then just that "Deep Threat" .. I want him to be used as that , not just a Presence.
Im concerned about Jah Reid's ability to start .. Because if he couldnt start, I would be concerned again about our O-line.

Give OZ a grade !!!!! -

I Would give him a B, Maybe a B+.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1304226300' post='678633']
Ozzie trusts his board. Would you really rather see him start reaching for need like some teams do? Really? Teams that do that usually pick early in the draft.

The strength of this draft was defensive line not OLB which is what we needed. The best pass rushers, outside of Von Miller, were 4-3 defensive ends in this draft which do us no good. The OLB class in this draft was very weak IMO aside from Miller and I don't care how talented a 3-4 DE is, he's not going to be a big sack guy.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the depth at defensive line pushed talented players at other positions down the board such as CB, WR, and RB which are positions we targeted. We do need to generate a better pass rush but there is still free agency, we can't rule out getting something from Kindle this year and maybe Kruger, and improving the secondary will help too.
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You make a good point, but some of our decisions confused me. A quarterback? Face it, Joe is NOT going down. Not in today's NFL. No other QB would see significant playing time. And a 5th round CB? Is that really what we need? Because only Jimmy Smith could legitimately make the starting squad. What is Chykie Brown really going to contribute? There are a number of other guys on defense I wished we'd taken, and the amount of offensive players scares me (5 of 8) - because with Cam controlling the offense we will likely not see them!

The class was weak at OLB, but I would've rather seen us take a chance at a guy than draft the late-round guys we did. This organization is the best at evaluating talent on the front seven (and the O-line - Reid is not a bad pick), and the defense needs more bodies. Did Ozzie really not see anyone on defense worth taking? Then I'm upset at this draft class.

Also consider this: Say you need a DE and have enough WRs. Is it really worth it to take a BPA WR if the second-best prospect on the team is a DE? I'm worried that that's what happened on the back end of the draft.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

jimmy smith def reminds me of Chris McC and allen looks like a tackle breaking machine kinda like Mcgahee i think Reid makes a strong push at RT but alot of cats gotta make a name on ST. My favorites are Reid and J.Smith just because they are redy to compete at need positions. Tyrod = Suggs package? I am most concerned about our middle picks(Tandon, Chykie, pernell).... Tyrod will be a serviceable back up and I am really digging what I saw in the Allen vid

OZ gets a B- for immediately filling two big concerns whilst indirectly addressing the pass rush with a first round db pick. Also for finding good depth all around the board. Downside - I dont know if half will make it past ST

[T3hRaven]

Our best picks in the draft were Jimmy Smith and Tandon Doss because they were both incredible value for where they were taken. You have to love Doss' hands and the fact that Joe likes him, and if Jimmy Smith keeps his head on straight he's going to be a dominant corner. I'm giving our organization the benefit of the doubt on Jah Reid, and I like his size and upside. His stock was slowly rising for a while now, and he could turn out to be a really good pick. I have optimism for both Torrey Smith and McPhee, and Anthony Allen could be the perfect complement to Ray Rice. Tyrod Taylor is a pretty decent prospect to develop at QB who fills a need at backup QB. If he develops, he'll be great trade bait, and if he doesn't cut it at QB I believe he'll be willing to try something else. If we can get anything out of him, that won't be a bad pick. The only pick I really don't like is Chykie Brown because CB wasn't a big need heading into the draft and we already took Jimmy Smith. We could have gotten an OLB in either Herzlich or Beal, and I think that would have been a much better investment.

This draft class has a lot of potential and filled some needs. I'm giving Ozzie an A-.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1304223707' post='678594']
I think the starters are : Smith and Smith and Reid and Allen

Doss will be worked in slowly as a mason replacement.

I dont believe they will ignore Torrey as they did Donte last year.. someone will lose their job if they do (ahem.. cam)

Tyrod will play if flacco gets hurt (lets pray he doesnt - Joe faithful has been good so far in 3 years)

The others I dont put much faith in.
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Don't be surprise to see Doss get a some third down action and a lot of redzone action. Doss is a big body with strong hands, much like a Housh or Kelley Washington. Remember what Washington was able to do for us on 3rd downs? Plus he's a personal pick of Flacco and one of the reasons Flacco liked him was because he said he seems easy to throw to and he catches the ball away from his body.

If Flacco gets comfortable with Doss early(I hope Smith and Doss join the next passing camp) I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him line up in the slot on 3rd downs.

[tweety]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQeLrLog-yQ"]Pick 1(27) Jimmy Smith CB Colo[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]He will be better than Ladarius Webb[/color][/b]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_6n_eoI2o"]Pick 2(58) Torry Smith WR MD[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Will be the best Wideout we drafted [/b][/color]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltGHVtRSg_E&feature=related"]pick 3(85) Jah Reid OT/G Cent Fla[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAR8ATXD-X4&feature=related"]Pick 4(123) Tandon Doss WR Ind[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Bust[/b][/color]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3BNXAHyRQ"]Pick 5(164) Chykie Brown CB Tx[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Don't see the potential[/b][/color]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu3a3ddcRzM"]Pick 6(165) Pernell McPhee DT Miss St[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f223da/2011-Draft-Profile-QB-Tyrod-Taylor-Virginia-Tech?r_src=ramp"]Pick 7(180) Tyrod Taylor QB VaT[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]May not make the team, much worse than Troy Smith[/color][/b]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2A7YQzeWQ"]Pick 8(225) Allen Anthony RB GaT[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]Better than Lendale White[/color][/b]

Who is your favorite/least favorite? [b][color="#800080"]Have a feeling this was a bigger steal than Jimmy Smith[/color][/b]
Who will start?
[color="#800080"][b]Smith and Smith eventually[/b][/color]
Do any remind you of other players past/present?
What concerns do you have about any of them?
[color="#800080"][b]Brown seems like he has a sloppy technique[/b][/color]
Give OZ a grade!!!
[b][color="#800080"]
Atleast 2 potential stars minimum[/color][/b] [color="#9932CC"][b]B+[/b][/color]
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[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1304227358' post='678644']
You make a good point, but some of our decisions confused me. A quarterback? Face it, Joe is NOT going down. Not in today's NFL. No other QB would see significant playing time. And a 5th round CB? Is that really what we need? Because only Jimmy Smith could legitimately make the starting squad. What is Chykie Brown really going to contribute? There are a number of other guys on defense I wished we'd taken, and the amount of offensive players scares me (5 of 8) - because with Cam controlling the offense we will likely not see them!

The class was weak at OLB, but I would've rather seen us take a chance at a guy than draft the late-round guys we did. This organization is the best at evaluating talent on the front seven (and the O-line - Reid is not a bad pick), and the defense needs more bodies. Did Ozzie really not see anyone on defense worth taking? Then I'm upset at this draft class.

Also consider this: Say you need a DE and have enough WRs. Is it really worth it to take a BPA WR if the second-best prospect on the team is a DE? I'm worried that that's what happened on the back end of the draft.
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Ok about Tyrod. Bulger is a Free Agent and will probably have a few offers out there to start once the lock out is over. Tyrod will be able to come in and compete with Hunter Cantwell for the back up position. To say Joe will not get hurt is foolish. Anything could happen, not only this year, but years down the line. If the Ravens can develop either one of these guys if not both, the possibilities of trades and having a valuable QB behind your starter are endless. Also Taylor will be able to bring a lot of the same things Troy Smith did to the offense as a backup.

Brown has the skill set of a corner as well as a safety. There is a reason why he is a 6th round selection, and it's because he's a developmental player. He's one of those players that competes in practice and preseason games, and you hope if you ever need to rely on him in games he'll be ready. He's a much better player then just a speed guy. He'll contribute on teams and hopefully work hard enough and be ready to help on defense if and when called on.

Why take a chance on a defensive player that you don't even think is worthy of being drafted at the selection you have. If the Ravens felt that a guy like Doss could be a really special players for them, why pass him over for a DE/OLB that you don't even like in the first place? If Reid turns into a really good RT and holds that position for years, and having classic battles vs Harrison/Woodley; and the Ravens had a high grade on Reid, why pass him over to select a player you don't even like to feel a need?

Picture this
Ozzie: Eric how do u feel about this pass rusher?

Eric: Man i really don't like this kid. He doesn't hustle on backside plays, he doesn't practice well, and he disappears in games that his team is losing, he just doesn't fit that Play like a Raven model. I think we could get much better value out of this WR name Doss.

Ozzie: Ok Eric, even though i agree with everything you just said. We really didn't get much out of our pass rush last year. I think we should just take a chance on this guy, even though we don't really like him, and see what happens.

Is that really what you want to see from this Front Office? If there isn't a pass rusher of value to take then why take one? Ozzie said there were a couple of guys they were looking to take as pass rushers but they came off the broad a pick or 2 before the Ravens could get them. If who you wanted is gone, why reach, just to filled a need?

It's like the Ravens saying.....we really don't think Cary Williams can cover Andre Johnson. But Johnson is a big bodied guy, and we need a big bodied guy to cover him. So instead of doubling Johnson, we'll just put Williams out on an island to cover Johnson one on one all game lone, because we just wanna see what happens, and it's the AFC Championship game. How foolish is that? If you don't like the matchup then you don't follow through with it. Just because Cary Williams is a big physical corner doesn't mean he can cover the big physical Andre Johnson. It's the same way in the draft. Just because a position is a need, doesn't mean you take lesser talent just to say, hey at least we filled a need.

As far as the us having enough WR and a DE being the second best player on the broad, again it's about value. Other then Mason and Boldin what have we seen from our WRs? I mean Reed has flashed a bit, but can you really say he's reliable WR for us? What has Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Eron Riley or James Hardy shown to you to say...hey this guys are gonna be really good one day? So again you get a guy in Doss who had a second round grade on him if not for the injury, the Ravens were really high on, and he was a personal favorite of Flacco. As opposed to a guy that might, maybe, develop into a pass rusher, but you didn't even like him to begin with. It just doesn't make sense to take a chance imo.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='tweety' timestamp='1304233493' post='678699']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQeLrLog-yQ"]Pick 1(27) Jimmy Smith CB Colo[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]He will be better than Ladarius Webb[/color][/b][/quote]

Is that all you see out of Jimmy Smith is he'll be better then Lardarius Webb? How about he has the potential to be a true shutdown corner in the NFL. As a cover guy Smith is better then both Peterson and Amukamura. Hell, depending on how quickly he adjusts, he might be one of the top 10 CBs in the NFL week 1. I know that's a lot to put on him, but his potential is that big.
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_6n_eoI2o"]Pick 2(58) Torry Smith WR MD[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Will be the best Wideout we drafted [/b][/color][/quote]

He has the potential to be just that, hard worker, coachable, and exceptional talent. Let's hope he pans out.

[quote][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltGHVtRSg_E&feature=related"]pick 3(85) Jah Reid OT/G Cent Fla[/url][/quote]

Imo, he'll have a great chance at winning the starting RT position, depending on how much Harewood has developed in his second year. Also don't forget that the Ravens signed a hanful of OT players before the lockout. Eric Vanden Heuvel, Brady Bond and Andre Ramsey, so well see who can emerge at that RT position.

[quote][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAR8ATXD-X4&feature=related"]Pick 4(123) Tandon Doss WR Ind[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Bust[/b][/color][/quote]

Can a 4th round WR that joins a team with Boldin and Mason really be considered a bust? Tandon Doss had a second round grade from most drat evaluators. He was even rated above Jon Baldwin who went in the first round for some, some had him above Torrey Smith, Titus Young, and Hankerson, before he got injured. In Doss you're lookin at a guy that can come in as a rookie and be a 3rd down guy for us like Kelley Washington was a couple years ago. If anything the biggest thing about Doss is his injury history, but not his produce and potential. I look at Dickson, Pitta, Reed, Smith and Doss and I like where our future is headed.

[quote][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3BNXAHyRQ"]Pick 5(164) Chykie Brown CB Tx[/url] [color="#9932CC"][b]Don't see the potential[/b][/color][/quote]

It all depends on what your potential of him is. Brown will be nothing more then a sub package DB, but he'll be a special teamer, and provide depth.

[quote][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu3a3ddcRzM"]Pick 6(165) Pernell McPhee DT Miss St[/url][/quote]
McPhee is nothing less then a hard worker. He'll provide a presence for the Ravens at the 3-4 DE position. O think he's a rotational guy, that'll just make plays because of his hustle and non stop motor. He'll definitely provide some pass rush for the Ravens from that 5 technique. If you're looking for double digit sacks, then you should just make plans to be disappoint.

[quote][url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f223da/2011-Draft-Profile-QB-Tyrod-Taylor-Virginia-Tech?r_src=ramp"]Pick 7(180) Tyrod Taylor QB VaT[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]May not make the team, much worse than Troy Smith[/color][/b][/quote]

Imo Tyrod is much more of an athlete, then troy was. Tyrod has improved each year at VT and i believe that trend will continue with the Ravens.
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2A7YQzeWQ"]Pick 8(225) Allen Anthony RB GaT[/url] [b][color="#9932CC"]Better than Lendale White[/color][/b][/quote]

That's not saying much. I think he's a McGahee clone. He's a big explosive back, who can push the pile when need be. I'm really interested in seeing Anthony and Steele in the backfield at the same time in preseason.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304234700' post='678707']
Ok about Tyrod. Bulger is a Free Agent and will probably have a few offers out there to start once the lock out is over. Tyrod will be able to come in and compete with Hunter Cantwell for the back up position. To say Joe will not get hurt is foolish. Anything could happen, not only this year, but years down the line. If the Ravens can develop either one of these guys if not both, the possibilities of trades and having a valuable QB behind your starter are endless. Also Taylor will be able to bring a lot of the same things Troy Smith did to the offense as a backup.

Brown has the skill set of a corner as well as a safety. There is a reason why he is a 6th round selection, and it's because he's a developmental player. He's one of those players that competes in practice and preseason games, and you hope if you ever need to rely on him in games he'll be ready. He's a much better player then just a speed guy. He'll contribute on teams and hopefully work hard enough and be ready to help on defense if and when called on.

Why take a chance on a defensive player that you don't even think is worthy of being drafted at the selection you have. If the Ravens felt that a guy like Doss could be a really special players for them, why pass him over for a DE/OLB that you don't even like in the first place? If Reid turns into a really good RT and holds that position for years, and having classic battles vs Harrison/Woodley; and the Ravens had a high grade on Reid, why pass him over to select a player you don't even like to feel a need?

Picture this
Ozzie: Eric how do u feel about this pass rusher?

Eric: Man i really don't like this kid. He doesn't hustle on backside plays, he doesn't practice well, and he disappears in games that his team is losing, he just doesn't fit that Play like a Raven model. I think we could get much better value out of this WR name Doss.

Ozzie: Ok Eric, even though i agree with everything you just said. We really didn't get much out of our pass rush last year. I think we should just take a chance on this guy, even though we don't really like him, and see what happens.

Is that really what you want to see from this Front Office? If there isn't a pass rusher of value to take then why take one? Ozzie said there were a couple of guys they were looking to take as pass rushers but they came off the broad a pick or 2 before the Ravens could get them. If who you wanted is gone, why reach, just to filled a need?

It's like the Ravens saying.....we really don't think Cary Williams can cover Andre Johnson. But Johnson is a big bodied guy, and we need a big bodied guy to cover him. So instead of doubling Johnson, we'll just put Williams out on an island to cover Johnson one on one all game lone, because we just wanna see what happens, and it's the AFC Championship game. How foolish is that? If you don't like the matchup then you don't follow through with it. Just because Cary Williams is a big physical corner doesn't mean he can cover the big physical Andre Johnson. It's the same way in the draft. Just because a position is a need, doesn't mean you take lesser talent just to say, hey at least we filled a need.

As far as the us having enough WR and a DE being the second best player on the broad, again it's about value. Other then Mason and Boldin what have we seen from our WRs? I mean Reed has flashed a bit, but can you really say he's reliable WR for us? What has Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Eron Riley or James Hardy shown to you to say...hey this guys are gonna be really good one day? So again you get a guy in Doss who had a second round grade on him if not for the injury, the Ravens were really high on, and he was a personal favorite of Flacco. As opposed to a guy that might, maybe, develop into a pass rusher, but you didn't even like him to begin with. It just doesn't make sense to take a chance imo.
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First off, I like Doss. I don't have a problem with that pick. But if Ozzie said he liked Chris Carter, which is a possibility, would he not have made a bigger impact to the team as a "reach" in the 4th than Doss? Doss will likely be a 4th WR who goes almost unused by Cam Cameron, whereas Carter could be depth or a starter, which we NEED to complete the defensive puzzle.

To have nine picks and walk away not addressing OLB to me is a loss. As I said before, BPA is fine, but it can get to a point where adding another position is useless. What if Edmund Gates fell to the 5th? Would we really walk away with three receivers?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1304266112' post='678834']
First off, I like Doss. I don't have a problem with that pick. But if Ozzie said he liked Chris Carter, which is a possibility, would he not have made a bigger impact to the team as a "reach" in the 4th than Doss? Doss will likely be a 4th WR who goes almost unused by Cam Cameron, whereas Carter could be depth or a starter, which we NEED to complete the defensive puzzle.

To have nine picks and walk away not addressing OLB to me is a loss. As I said before, BPA is fine, but it can get to a point where adding another position is useless. What if Edmund Gates fell to the 5th? Would we really walk away with three receivers?
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See you and others continue to throw out names of guys that [b]YOU[/b] like. It doesn't help us one bit if the Ravens saw something in Carter on film that they didn't like. Just because a guy is the best remaining prospect on Mayock's or Kiper's board doesn't mean he fits our style of play or player.

Would i have liked to see a rush OLB taken, yes. I even thought out the names of Bruce Miller and Jeremy Beal, but if it was something in those guys tape that the Ravens felt didn't make them our kind of guys, then you don't select them. Or they didn't see as much value for them in the rounds they would have had to select them.

You do understand that there are only certain prospects on the Ravens board right? But if Gates was on the Ravens broad and he was the top guy, I'm sure the Ravens would have looked to trade back to acquire more picks and value in this draft or for next years draft.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304268956' post='678875']
See you and others continue to throw out names of guys that [b]YOU[/b] like. It doesn't help us one bit if the Ravens saw something in Carter on film that they didn't like. Just because a guy is the best remaining prospect on Mayock's or Kiper's board doesn't mean he fits our style of play or player.

Would i have liked to see a rush OLB taken, yes. I even thought out the names of Bruce Miller and Jeremy Beal, but if it was something in those guys tape that the Ravens felt didn't make them our kind of guys, then you don't select them. Or they didn't see as much value for them in the rounds they would have had to select them.

You do understand that there are only certain prospects on the Ravens board right? But if Gates was on the Ravens broad and he was the top guy, I'm sure the Ravens would have looked to trade back to acquire more picks and value in this draft or for next years draft.
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Ozzie made it pretty clear to me in his press conference that he would have drafted Carter in the 5th round but the Steelers got him 2 picks before us. I would have like to see us anticipate that the Steelers might take him and trade up but oh well. Maybe McPhee will turn out to be the better player.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1304270535' post='678904']
Ozzie made it pretty clear to me in his press conference that he would have drafted Carter in the 5th round but the Steelers got him 2 picks before us. I would have like to see us anticipate that the Steelers might take him and trade up but oh well. Maybe McPhee will turn out to be the better player.
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As i said it's about value. The Ravens would have probably had to give up the rest of their draft to trade up and get carter. Would have probably cost a pick in next years draft as well.

The problem with trading up to get Carter was, you can't trade Compensatory Selections. So the Ravens would have had to give up their 6 and 7 rounds pick, and probably a pick next year, just to move up 2 or 3 spots. Which to us fans don't seem like much, but it's all about how much do u value those picks over Carter and vice versa.

Then you have to find a team willing to trade. One that's not gonna use the fact that you can't trade you 2 5th round picks and try to take advantage.

I too believe if Carter was there, he would probably be a Raven right now, but the board didn't dictate that. So once you see Carter go off the board, do you start to panic and say, hey we gotta get a pass rusher no matter what? Well we don't even have a draft grade on the rest of the potential OLBs, but what the heck, it's a position of need so lets waste this 5th rounder on one?

Its very important, maybe even moreso then the 1st 2 rounds, to stay true to your board and your drafting style in the later rounds. We've seen many cases where those late round picks are the guys at really push you over the hump of getting to the playoffs and championship. You don't go reaching for the 8th ranked guy on your board an whole round earlier then you wanted to draft him, just because it's a need. You stay true to your board and either select the top guy, or trade out to pick up more value and picks.

If anything blame the Bears. Look at what we did in the 1st. The Ravens really liked Jimmy Smith, however they felt comfortable enough in their broad to attempt a trade back 2 or 3 spots, and either still pick him, or be able to select the next highest rated guy. If the Ravens would have had that extra 4th round pick, then a OLB probably would have been drafted.

That's just how i see it.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Whats up with the music in the Jimmy Smith vid?!?!? lol

[Clutch Ravens]

Favourite: Jimmy Smith, for pretty obvious reasons.

Least Favourite: Tyrod Taylor - Complete waste of a draft pick.

Starters: Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith and Jah Reid. I think everyone else will handle a number of snaps, excluding Taylor.

Reminders: Jimmy Smith reminds me of McAlister. Torrey Smith reminds me of Donte' Stallworth, minus the injuries.

Concerns: Jimmy's character is going to make or break him. Torrey Smith has small hands and is a body catcher - he wont be allowed to do that by NFL CBs.

Overall, a B. Drafted one very good player and a few good players. Ignored Pass rush and wasted a pick on Tyrod Taylor. I would've rather we used that pick to move up and secure Chris Carter.

[ghost1986]

I know it's irrelevant since it's Mel Kiper(who after seeing him for the first time reminds me of Quentin Tarentino a bit) but he gave us a B+. Everybody seemed to think the Bengals had the best grade at an A-. I think we should've given someone our first 5th round pick and our final 6th round pick to get Chris Carter. I think had we obtained him, we would have got the same grade as the Bengals. And Todd McShay had real high praise of Jimmy Smith. In his opinion, he said Smith is better than Peterson and Amukamara when it comes to coverage.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1304230014' post='678675']
Our best picks in the draft were Jimmy Smith and Tandon Doss because they were both incredible value for where they were taken. You have to love Doss' hands and the fact that Joe likes him, and if Jimmy Smith keeps his head on straight he's going to be a dominant corner. I'm giving our organization the benefit of the doubt on Jah Reid, and I like his size and upside. His stock was slowly rising for a while now, and he could turn out to be a really good pick. I have optimism for both Torrey Smith and McPhee, and Anthony Allen could be the perfect complement to Ray Rice. [b]Tyrod Taylor is a pretty decent prospect to develop at QB who fills a need at backup QB. If he develops, he'll be great trade bait, and if he doesn't cut it at QB I believe he'll be willing to try something else.[/b] If we can get anything out of him, that won't be a bad pick. The only pick I really don't like is Chykie Brown because CB wasn't a big need heading into the draft and we already took Jimmy Smith. We could have gotten an OLB in either Herzlich or Beal, and I think that would have been a much better investment.

This draft class has a lot of potential and filled some needs. I'm giving Ozzie an A-.
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Raven why would you even think that Tyrod couldn't make it in the NFL as a QB when he has broken EVERY record at VT (including Michael Vick's) as a QB, won numerous ACC Championships and was recently voted the ACC's MVP?

and then you mention....Taylor could be "trade bait?" oh my goodness! Flacco is our guy BUT we need a backup IN CASE he goes down or is injured. Tyrod brings a element to the QB postion that Peyton, Brady or Flacco lacks. it is interesting though because when "Big Ben" scrambles out of the pocket and runs around....they (media and so-called experts) say "he is great and knows how to extend plays with his feet!" but, hey, if Tyrod Taylor does that.....which he does....he can't cut it in the NFL as a QB but should be a running back or wide receiver? gtfo!

~Mili

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304277444' post='679036']
Raven why would you even think that Tyrod couldn't make it in the NFL as a QB when he has broken EVERY record at VT (including Michael Vick's) as a QB, won numerous ACC Championships and was recently voted the ACC's MVP?

and then you mention....Taylor could be "trade bait?" oh my goodness! Flacco is our guy BUT we need a backup IN CASE he goes down or is injured. Tyrod brings a element to the QB postion that Peyton, Brady or Flacco lacks. [b]it is interesting though because when "Big Ben" scrambles out of the pocket and runs around....they (media and so-called experts) say "he is great and knows how to extend plays with his feet!" but, hey, if Tyrod Taylor does that.....which he does....he can't cut it in the NFL as a QB but should be a running back or wide receiver? gtfo!
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~Mili
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Ben is also much bigger, stronger and a more accurate passer than Taylor.

[Raven07]

for some reason i View Tandon kinda like the identical to Housh. And Torrey, i see as Stallworth.

To me all athletes are similiar in Size and Shape, can stretch the field when needed, TOrrey is a blazer with speed and excellent hands (like stallworth) Tandon ( i view ) like the over the middle type reciever willing to spilt duties, he JUST LOOKS LIKE the type of reciever that Should be alongside boldin in the sense of knocking CB's abd DB's into the dirt and get open over the middle..and just looks like hes a Housh type of reciever (both at first glance .. look wise AND play wise to me)

anyone else think this?

Torrey = Stallworth
Tandon = Housh

[JO_75]

Dang, I almost thought this was a thread about where to meet Jimmy and Torrey Smith for Autograph Sessions when I saw the title of this thread. I was going to say, just tell me the date and I'll take a ride up from NC to meet them both.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304278677' post='679060']
Ben is also much bigger, stronger and a [b]more accurate passer [/b]than Taylor.
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living in VA, i am a true VA Tech fan. meaning, i have watched and recorded all their televised games! Tyrod is a beast at scrambling, bying time with his feet and throwing "accurate" passes to an open receiver on the run. just like Ben does! nothing different! his work speaks for itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4WGOZVTCK4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RumjlRAOpPQ

everyone needs to stop the hate! and stop "trying" to tear this young man down! Tyrod is a beast!

~Mili

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304273734' post='678942']
As i said it's about value. The Ravens would have probably had to give up the rest of their draft to trade up and get carter. Would have probably cost a pick in next years draft as well.

[b]The problem with trading up to get Carter was, you can't trade Compensatory Selections[/b]. So the Ravens would have had to give up their 6 and 7 rounds pick, and probably a pick next year, just to move up 2 or 3 spots. Which to us fans don't seem like much, but it's all about how much do u value those picks over Carter and vice versa.

Then you have to find a team willing to trade. One that's not gonna use the fact that you can't trade you 2 5th round picks and try to take advantage.

I too believe if Carter was there, he would probably be a Raven right now, but the board didn't dictate that. So once you see Carter go off the board, do you start to panic and say, hey we gotta get a pass rusher no matter what? Well we don't even have a draft grade on the rest of the potential OLBs, but what the heck, it's a position of need so lets waste this 5th rounder on one?

Its very important, maybe even moreso then the 1st 2 rounds, to stay true to your board and your drafting style in the later rounds. We've seen many cases where those late round picks are the guys at really push you over the hump of getting to the playoffs and championship. You don't go reaching for the 8th ranked guy on your board an whole round earlier then you wanted to draft him, just because it's a need. You stay true to your board and either select the top guy, or trade out to pick up more value and picks.

If anything blame the Bears. Look at what we did in the 1st. The Ravens really liked Jimmy Smith, however they felt comfortable enough in their broad to attempt a trade back 2 or 3 spots, and either still pick him, or be able to select the next highest rated guy. If the Ravens would have had that extra 4th round pick, then a OLB probably would have been drafted.

That's just how i see it.
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Good point. I forgot about that. It still wouldn't have taken a lot to trade up. It only cost us a 6th rounder to trade up 5 spots in the third round to get Reid. We probably could have traded up 3 spots in the 5th round for just our 7th rounder.

[ghost1986]

Ah okay. Thanks for clarifying that, Ravensfan. Didn't know that. We still could have gotten Carter had the Bears not bleeped us.