Tyrod Taylor

[Free Agent]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304430915' post='680471']
the reason people supported troy was because of the hate that was thrown. im not a TT fan but hes a raven so by default im going to root for him. Flacco is our qb nothing is going to change that but if TT developes into a better option then it should be him on the field. The same holds tru for every position because at the end up of the day building the best team possible is our goal not keeping everyone happy.
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Thats a good point. Its hard to be sentimental if you are trying to build a good football team. Even the Colts will have to move on from Peyton some day, and the Pats will move on from Brady. If Taylor is the better option, we will have to move on from Flacco. I'm not saying that he is better, but if he is, then I will support him.

[Perfekt]

Problem is that some people on this board feel their opinion is the only one thats correct when in reality theirs means just as much as ours (IT DOESNT).

[deathbird52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304342709' post='679696']
How is this post not original in refuting the ridiculousness of others post on here? Did anyone else use examples (specific) to show that the pocket passer is, has been and will always rule the position?

Nice try trying to add Rodgers and Ben into your side of tscramblete! They are not equal to the few scrambling QBs you and others (one) have mentioned. They avoid pressure, but do not look to scramble.

Can't wait to here this "cats" reply....
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A scramblimg QB doesn't have to run every down. They can extend the longer than normal QBs and have the ability to run. Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben are scraambling QBs. Everyone knows Rodgers can pass but here are his rushing stats.

Aaron Rodgers(as starter)
2008-att:56 yds:207 avg:3.7 td:4
2009-att:58 yds:316 avg:5.4 td:5
2010-att:64 yds:356 avg:5.6 td:4

career totals
att:189 yds:926 avg:4.9 td:13

[Perfekt]

deathbird you will never win a arguement with that guy even if ur right your wrong lol.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1304424660' post='680436']
Do you listen to 105.7? Have you read these boards after a less then stellar game for Flacco? Have you been around here the last 3 years? [b]The same people that jumped on the Troy Train will be the SAME people on the Tyrod Train. The back-up should NEVER be apart of the plans for ANY plays unless the starter get hurt, IMO[/b].
Baltimore has had crap QB's since 96 until the Flacco for the most part.
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no....i don't listen to 105.7
yes...i have read these boards after Flacco does poorly
yes.....i have been around here for sometime now

as a native of Virginia and a huge Virginia Tech Hokies fan...i absolutely love Tyrod's gameplay! however, I AM NOT saying that Tyrod should start over Flacco! i never said that! what I DID say is that Tyrod will be a great addition to our Ravens roster as a QB.

c'mon! the kid (Tyrod) just got drafted! he still has alot to learn at the pro level. and if the truth be told, Flacco is still learning at the pro level after 4 years in the league.


[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304432053' post='680481']
[b]Problem is that some people on this board feel their opinion is the only one thats correct [/b]when in reality theirs means just as much as ours (IT DOESNT).
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ain't that the truth!!

~Mili

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Suggs Package!

[BloodRaven]

I still don't see the point to this pick, hopefully I'm proven wrong.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1304455160' post='680805']
I still don't see the point to this pick, hopefully I'm proven wrong.
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We needed a back-up QB because Bulger will likely go to a team who will start him. Drafting a QB with a lot of potential is also always a good decision, he could turn into trade bait down the road like Cassell, Schaub, Kolb etc

[Ravenslifer]

I'm just a little confused as to people bringing Roethlisberger and Rodgers into an argument, calling them scramblers, and then comparing them to Tyrod Taylor and Michael Vick. Tyrod Taylor and Michael Vick are running quarterbacks - they read a defense and if they see something they don't like they try to make yards on the ground, on a consistent basis. Rodgers and Roethlisberger do not do this. They move around in the pocket and sometimes roll outside the pocket, but more often than not they'll try to pass. Only if there's nothing open will they try to run. Vick will run even when every wide receiver he has is open, because he's more comfortable running than passing in many cases. They rarely gain over 200 yards rushing in a season. Joe Flacco, in fact, had 180 yards rushing his rookie year and I don't think anyone would call him a running quarterback. Conversely, Vick has 5 seasons where he's eclipsed 500 yards on the ground, like a running back. That's also what Tyrod Taylor does. I don't see how you can compare Rodgers and Ben to these guys. Rodgers and Ben are pocket quarterbacks who also happen to be mobile and can make plays with their feet occasionally.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1304467371' post='681003']
I'm just a little confused as to people bringing Roethlisberger and Rodgers into an argument, calling them scramblers, and then comparing them to Tyrod Taylor and Michael Vick. Tyrod Taylor and Michael Vick are running quarterbacks - they read a defense and if they see something they don't like they try to make yards on the ground, on a consistent basis. Rodgers and Roethlisberger do not do this. They move around in the pocket and sometimes roll outside the pocket, but more often than not they'll try to pass. Only if there's nothing open will they try to run. Vick will run even when every wide receiver he has is open, because he's more comfortable running than passing in many cases. They rarely gain over 200 yards rushing in a season. Joe Flacco, in fact, had 180 yards rushing his rookie year and I don't think anyone would call him a running quarterback. Conversely, Vick has 5 seasons where he's eclipsed 500 yards on the ground, like a running back. That's also what Tyrod Taylor does. I don't see how you can compare Rodgers and Ben to these guys. Rodgers and Ben are pocket quarterbacks who also happen to be mobile and can make plays with their feet occasionally.
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You don't have to run alot or even cross the line of scrimmage to be a scrambler. I consider having above average pocket mobility scrambling. Big Ben, doesn't for yardage as he does to extend the play. Scrambling is one of Aaron Rodgers best assets. Like Big Ben, he extends plays but he also runs for yards and is a threat in the redzone. As a starter he's never rushed for less than 200 yards.(look at my post at 1:48PM for Rodgers stats) You don't have to be like "Vick" to be a scrambling QB. A scrambler to me extends the play beyond naormal the ability of normal QBs, is a threat in the redzone, and runs for first downs. I can't speak for others, but thats how I view scrambling.

[big hits and ball hawks]

Just watched Year of The Quarterback and saw when Tyrod found out he got drafted. I like him more after watching it and I think he's determined to prove doubters wrong. I hope we're able to blow out some teams this season so he can get some playing time.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='big hits and ball hawks' timestamp='1304485398' post='681217']
Just watched Year of The Quarterback and saw when Tyrod found out he got drafted. I like him more after watching it and I think he's determined to prove doubters wrong. I hope we're able to blow out some teams this season so he can get some playing time.
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I would love for some breath easy games in the 4th quarter lol

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304449999' post='680708']
deathbird you will never win a arguement with that guy even if ur right your wrong lol.
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Correct

[deathbird52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304486866' post='681225']
Correct
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Only because your difficult and I don't have the patience to deal with someone that's impossible.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1304455160' post='680805']
I still don't see the point to this pick, hopefully I'm proven wrong.
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What is there to understand about the pick? Without Tyrod, Flacco would be the only QB on the roster next year. I don't think Hunter Cantwell has an official contract yet.

So do you not see the point, because we actually took a QB? Do you not see the point because we took a QB over a pass rusher? Do you not see the point because Tyrod Taylor was the QB selected, or do you not see the point because of round selection?

I ask these questions not attacking you as a poster, but i just find it hard to believe that someone would have a hard time understand why the Ravens felt they needed to add depth to the most important position on the team.

Hell last season we spent 3 1/2 Mill on a backup. Last season was the first season that Flacco was able to stay healthy for every game, or at least that we know of and the interesting thing was, he was sacked the most in his career last year. So we definitely need an insurance policy behind Joe. And not because Joe isn't tough or durable, but because you just never know what will happen.

[Perfekt]

1/28/01 [i]<deleted>.[/i] you do make good points tho which is why i like to argue wit you sometimes.

back on topic tho ravensfan is correct we needed a back up. although i would have rather we drafted a qb that sits in the pocket im happy with this pick because he adds another dimension to our offense.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304516895' post='681278']
1/28/01 [i]<deleted>. [/i]you do make good points tho which is why i like to argue wit you sometimes.

back on topic tho ravensfan is correct we needed a back up. although i would have rather we drafted a qb that sits in the pocket im happy with this pick because [b]he adds another dimension to our offense.[/b][/quote]

and that's a good thing!

~Mili

[Perfekt]

its a great thing if we can utilize it an mold it into a strength but thats alot of our picks.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304524947' post='681350']
its a great thing if we can utilize it an mold it into a strength but thats alot of our picks.
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The only thing about that is, if Flacco takes the steps we all expect and hope he does this year, he'll be that type of QB that you don't wanna take off the field even for one snap.

So imo it won't be as easy to use Tyrod as it was to use Troy, because you'll have to use Tyrod from outside the QB position.

[Perfekt]

In no way shape or form do i want Flacco off the field. I dont think that TT will be up to speed for atleast 2 seasons. I would like to see us use him like the Jets use Smith tho because it would play to his strengths.

Pretty much got a cheap verison of Vick.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304529867' post='681400']
In no way shape or form do i want Flacco off the field. I dont think that TT will be up to speed for atleast 2 seasons. I would like to see us use him like the Jets use Smith tho because it would play to his strengths.

Pretty much got a cheap verison of Vick.
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Without the missle of an arm though lol

[deathbird52]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304555126' post='681789']
Without the missle of an arm though lol
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Everyone can't have an atomic bomb like Flacco. Tyrod's arm is strong but Flacco has the strongest arm in the league.

[MBMinor]

I'm new to this forum, and the reason is because i'm now a Raven fan and following the greatest quarterback to ever come out of Virginia Tech (yes, I believe he has the potential to be even better than Vick).

You guys have no idea how much of a steal that Tyrod was in this draft for the Ravens. I'm a huge VT fan and hold season tickets, so i've seen him pretty much in every situation throughout his 4 years.

The biggest misconception surrounding him is that he is a typical "scrambling" quarterback.
Yes, he possesses the ability to scramble out of pressure. (When we played Nebraska in '10, [a team that had BOTH Suh and Amukamara] he was able to lead a game winning drive, throwing two perfect passes when Suh was wrapped around his body)

But, he has an amazing arm. He spent the majority of his first two years scrambling because, as you all should know, a quarterback is only as good as his trust in his receivers. He had no WR that could catch those years, so he found himself wanting to scramble and get yards to help push the offense forward, rather than gambling on throws. He finally built some trust up, and this resulted in some insane numbers. He ended up in the top 3 in passing effiency and TD-INT ratio his senior year (higher than any current QB in the draft this year).

Of course, people see what ESPN shows of him and that will draw comparisons to Dennis Dixon or Troy Smith.
If Seneca Wallace and Aaron Rodgers had a baby, that's what Tyrod has the potential to be, if the Ravens coaching staff can further mold him into a QB and give him time to develop.

Steal of the draft, IMO.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='deathbird52' timestamp='1304489403' post='681230']
Only because your difficult and I don't have the patience to deal with someone that's impossible.
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Okie dokie.....(calm down, its just a forum)

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1304516895' post='681278']
1/28/01 [i]<deleted>.[/i] you do make good points tho which is why i like to argue wit you sometimes.

back on topic tho ravensfan is correct we needed a back up. although i would have rather we drafted a qb that sits in the pocket im happy with this pick because he adds another dimension to our offense.
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Not really sure how to take that, so for sake of puffing up my chest on an internet forum, I will just laugh it off.

Not against this pick at all.....just the potential for crazies coming out of the wood works at the tiniest inkling of a poor Flacco performance has me a bit apprehensive.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304561396' post='681881']
Okie dokie.....(calm down, its just a forum)
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It's all good.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304561612' post='681885']
Not really sure how to take that, so for sake of puffing up my chest on an internet forum, I will just laugh it off.

[b]Not against this pick at all.....just the potential for crazies coming out of the wood works at the tiniest inkling of a poor Flacco performance has me a bit apprehensive.[/b]
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Yeah, we don't need a revival of the Flacco/Smith "Debates" (and I use that term extremely loosely) in Flacco/Taylor. "OMG! Flacco through a pic! Start Taylor! Joe sux!"

[1/28/01]

[quote name='deathbird52' timestamp='1304561774' post='681887']
It's all good.
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Excellent.....I can come off as an *** sometimes, but the old timers around here know the real me and realize that I can, on occasion, have some pretty good insight here and there.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304562350' post='681896']
Excellent.....I can come off as an *** sometimes, but the old timers around here know the real me and realize that I can, on occasion, have some pretty good insight here and there.
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Well played 1/28/01, well played.

[scrock]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1304307677' post='679507']
If Taylor can somehow realize his huge upside (which very likely won't happen especially just in his rookie year), do you guys think he has any shot of stealing Flacco's starting spot?
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Nope, he came here to be a backup, Ozzie said in conference call they want to add a veteran backup too..at best Tyrod will be practice squad or 3rd stringer. He isnt ever going to be the starter, he wont beat out Joe Flacco.

If anyone thinks this they are dreaming...just more disrespect for our QB.