Tyrod Taylor

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1304316264' post='679627']
Randall will even agree that no one runs like Michael Vick. CMON MAN.
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Andre Johnson is a better receiver than Don Hutson. Barry Sanders was a better RB than Gale Sayers. Vick may be better, as a runner, than Cunningham but Mike Vick didn't "pave the way"... Randall Cunningham was first.

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1304316458' post='679633']
I was looking forward to learning about him and see what folks had to say about tyrod taylor..till alexir and berad ruined this post.. (face palm)
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No one ruined anything, we just knew of the impending doom. These are copy/paste replicas of every Troy Smith debate ever. It was bound to happen.

[Ravensfan23]

Taylor will come in and compete with Hunter Cantwell for that back up position. Tyrod has his heart and mind set on being a NFL QB and the Ravens will give him extra opportunity to prove that. I think Tyrod will work his butt off to prove to the NFL that he can be a really good QB.

I really like this pick as well as the Allen pick. Being a FSU guy I can tell you that both of these guys have the talent to really good NFL players imo. They just have the mentally to outwork everyone else on the roster. It's a reason these guys were 6th and 7th round picks, and they have to prove everyone, including the Ravens wrong.

The biggest thing about this situations for Tyrod that's different from Troy Smith, is that he's coming in to be the backup. Now I'm not saying that Taylor doesn't want to start and prove that he can be a really good starting QB, but he can just come in, work hard and not worry about being the Guy like many people thought Troy Smith was.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1304343650' post='679704']
Taylor will come in and compete with Hunter Cantwell for that back up position. Tyrod has his heart and mind set on being a NFL QB and the Ravens will give him extra opportunity to prove that. I think Tyrod will work his butt off to prove to the NFL that he can be a really good QB.

I really like this pick as well as the Allen pick. Being a FSU guy I can tell you that both of these guys have the talent to really good NFL players imo. They just have the mentally to outwork everyone else on the roster. It's a reason these guys were 6th and 7th round picks, and they have to prove everyone, including the Ravens wrong.

The biggest thing about this situations for Tyrod that's different from Troy Smith, is that he's coming in to be the backup. Now I'm not saying that Taylor doesn't want to start and prove that he can be a really good starting QB, but he can just come in, work hard and not worry about being the Guy like many people thought Troy Smith was.
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i agree!

however, i am not saying that Tyrod should come in to Baltimore "thinking" that he is going to be the starter. naw! i don't think that! Joe's the man! but what i am saying is that this young man was a awesome QB and has improved his gameplay ever since he got the opportunity as a redshirt freshman to start for Virginia Tech. he will be a great addition for the Ravens and will prove that whenever his opportunity to play arises.

~Mili

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304342709' post='679696']
[b]How is this post not original in refuting the ridiculousness of others post on here? [/b] Did anyone else use examples (specific) to show that the pocket passer is, has been and will always rule the position?

[b]Nice try trying to add Rodgers and Ben into your side of tscramblete! [/b] They are not equal to the few scrambling QBs you and others (one) have mentioned. They avoid pressure, but do not look to scramble.

[b]Can't wait to [u]here[/u] this "cats" reply....[/b][/quote]

the ridiculousness of others post on here? interesting! everyone here has an opinion. whether you or i agree with them or not.

nice try adding Rodgers and Ben? lol! you mentioned them in your post so i didn't have to "add" them...i just mentioned what you failed to. they both scramble, make plays with their legs and have both won the SB doing so. seems like it's a few people's assumption (your's included) that Tyrod ALWAYS looks to run instead of passing first. smh! that's just not true! earlier in his career? yes! but over the past 2 seasons at VT? no!

and...this "cat" will always respond. no need not to!

and fyi...the word is "Hear" not "Here" lol

~Mili

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1304316767' post='679635']
[b]And excuse you for naming 2 of the top 10 NFL players of all time...and then throwing Vick's name in there.[/b]
They all played in the Tidewater area. All of them are from Virginia. There is the comparison. Im glad you mentioned some of the greatest players of all time, now you know what the Hampton roads guys are use to seeing as far as talent.
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You mentioned them not me, and then decided to throw Vick in there like hes a top 100 player of all time in the NFL.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1304315529' post='679620']
All of those guys revolutionized their positions on the football field. Vick did the same. If you ask anyone who is the best scrambling Quarterback they have ever seen, it will be Vick. He paved the way for other athletes to play the position with the same style and be successful. Told you and your buddies on here, a new day is coming, get ready for the scramblers to emerge as the best in the league.
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Ya everyone will say the best scrambling QB, not a damn person will say best QB in general.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304344488' post='679711']
and fyi...the word is "Hear" not "Here" lol

~Mili
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Cherish this moment....this doesn't happen often

[Militant X 1]

the fact that someone actually + you for that makes me...

~Mili

[berad]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304350740' post='679777']
the fact that someone actually + you for that makes me...

~Mili
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LOL - I +'d you, too. I only did it because 1/28/01 is notorious for pointing out [i]other people's[/i] grammar/spelling errors

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1304351005' post='679779']
LOL - [b]I +'d you, too.[/b] I only did it because 1/28/01 is notorious for pointing out [i]other people's[/i] grammar/spelling errors
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that was you berad? LOL!

~Mili

[H8R]

Ughh... Not looking forward to hearing the "clowns" demanding for him to start over Flacco.

[Corvus]

Firstly, I like Tyrod Taylor. I've seen him play a few times and he seems to have progressed as a QB every year at VT. I think he has as good of a ceiling as all of the QBs in this draft except maybe Newton. I was a little disappointed with the pick at first but when I thought about the fact that the only QB other than Flacco on our roster is Cantwell, it was a good pick. Hopefully Tyrod will continue his hard work and be a capable backup as he enters the league.

Now onto this ridiculous discussion that overtaken this thread. You guys are trying way to hard to categorize a category of players. When I look at QBs I see one thing: either a good or bad QB, not "pocket passer" not "scrambler." A Quarterback by definition (not Webster's mind you) is the player who makes plays with his ARM. Other than trick plays, how many other players are throwing the football around? If you guys think scrambling is the way of the future, that's fine but you are dead wrong. Yeah Rodgers and Roethlisberger has decent scrambling ability, that doesn't make them "scramblers" what it means is they have an additional facet of their game that helps them be great quarterbacks. Michael Vick had his best year passing last year in every aspect. Guess that means he's a "pocket passer" now huh? No, he is another good quarterback that is adding to his passing game, making him a BETTER QB. Enough with trying to pigeonhole these guys people...

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1304352168' post='679799']
Ughh... Not looking forward to hearing the "clowns" demanding for him to start over Flacco.
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i think that you are jumping the gun on this one H8R. lol! no one here (at least not me) is saying that Tyrod Taylor should start over Flacco. Flacco is the man! Flacco is our man! and with Tyrod in the fold, we can do some great things. why does it have to be love one and hate the other? i don't get that!

~Mili

[D-Rey]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304344488' post='679711']
the ridiculousness of others post on here? interesting! everyone here has an opinion. whether you or i agree with them or not.

nice try adding Rodgers and Ben? lol! you mentioned them in your post so i didn't have to "add" them...i just mentioned what you failed to. they both scramble, make plays with their legs and have both won the SB doing so. [b]seems like it's a few people's assumption (your's included) that Tyrod ALWAYS looks to run instead of passing first. smh! that's just not true! earlier in his career? yes! but over the past 2 seasons at VT? no![/b]

and...this "cat" will always respond. no need not to!

and fyi...the word is "Hear" not "Here" lol

~Mili
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I'm not going to add alot to this debate because I don't know much about Tyrod, only what I've read. One thing I've noticed in Tyrod in the videos I've watched is that majority of the time he is looking down field at receivers when he is scrambling. So I agree with that.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304344074' post='679709']
i agree!

however, i am not saying that Tyrod should come in to Baltimore "thinking" that he is going to be the starter. naw! i don't think that! Joe's the man! but what i am saying is that this young man was a awesome QB and has improved his gameplay ever since he got the opportunity as a redshirt freshman to start for Virginia Tech. he will be a great addition for the Ravens and will prove that whenever his opportunity to play arises.

~Mili
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Yea, training camp and preseason will be huge for Tyrod not only this year but every year. It's starting to get to that point were Joe won't be taking many snaps in TC and preseason to save his arm for the season. Teams tend to save their franchise QBs in TC to keep their arms fresh.

Well this is were Tyrod will have to flourish, when giving the opportunity to be a great student, a great teammate, if needed a great scout team players, and when the time comes, he has to perform well. Practice, preseason or otherwise.

When you're talking about 6th and 7th round picks, it's more will and heart then skill.

I think Tyrod has that will and heart, so i'm interested in seeing how well he can develop.

[lowrider]

I hate this pick for one reason, and one reason alone. Taylor reminds me exactly of a certain player, Troy Smith. So now everyone will have this ridiculous love affair with Taylor even though he has never played and think we need to start him over Flacco. Taylor will be a good backup. But I don't have any higher expectations than that for him

[ClintLB8]

Tyrod Taylor is nothing like Troy Smith except maybe the fact that they are similar in size. I believe that Tyrod Taylor will end up being a lot like Michael Vick and may even have a similar situation that Vick had with the Eagles. If Flacco gets hurt and Taylor has enough time to develop before that happens then Taylor could impress so much that we could have a problem on our hands. I love Joe Flacco and I believe he is the future of the franchise I'm just saying there could be problems down the road because I believe Taylor could be a great QB in the NFL. I see a problem like the Vick/Kolb situation in Philly and I don't want to have to deal with that.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1304359249' post='679886']
I hate this pick for one reason, and one reason alone. Taylor reminds me exactly of a certain player, Troy Smith. [b]So now everyone will have this ridiculous love affair with Taylor even though he has never played and think we need to start him over Flacco. [/b] Taylor will be a good backup. But I don't have any higher expectations than that for him
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all of you cats that keep saying this stuff must be paranoid? no one is saying that Tyrod should start instead of Joe. are you serious? the young kid just got drafted and you guys are killing him off with the troy smith comparisons. he is nothing like troy smith. he has a great attitude, he's humble and he will be a great addition on the Ravens roster as a QB.

you guys need to..... lol!

~Mili

[JEEPercreepermd]

Good pick, obviously with the lockout and no FA the Ravens are in definite need of a backup QB as it stands so why not if a good player is available? However, I don't see the Ravens using much "suggs package" stuff or whatever. Let's just hope that he's worth the pick and can come in and be serviceable if needed!

I just hope this doesn't turn into another Troy Smith thing or Marc Bulger for that matter.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304347126' post='679746']
Ya everyone will say the best scrambling QB, not a damn person will say best QB in general.
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I never said best i said he changed the position. Not sure what your talking about, you lost me in the discussion.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304347043' post='679744']
You mentioned them not me, and then decided to throw Vick in there like hes a top 100 player of all time in the NFL.
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Helllo, again I mentioned them all because they are all from the Tidewater area I know its hard to believe that we so many great players come from one area, but in Virginia we are use to it.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1304342721' post='679697']
Andre Johnson is a better receiver than Don Hutson. Barry Sanders was a better RB than Gale Sayers. Vick may be better, as a runner, than Cunningham but Mike Vick didn't "pave the way"... Randall Cunningham was first.



No one ruined anything, we just knew of the impending doom. These are copy/paste replicas of every Troy Smith debate ever. It was bound to happen.
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Scrambling was actually done before Randall, like shooting a basketball was done before Mike, but Vick definitely was the best to ever do it.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304340552' post='679683']
Do you pay attention to the draft and player personnel at all? Pats almost NEVER use their first round draft and usually build with what they have. As for Manning, no matter who they plug in that system, Manninng makes them look like Pro Bowl caliber WRs and TEs. There have been years where no one even knows who anyone is on his team.
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What im done. Patriots stockpile first round talent. Then find ways to add even more. As far as Peyton doing it with whatever he has on deck, tell me why he has only won one super bowl. 9-9 in the playoffs, all the while crying like ELI when things don't go his way.

[RavenDude11]

It's only going to take 1 preseason game of him running around and making a couple deep throws b4 the QB controversy hits the boards.

...Ahhh the good ol' days, Boller vs Troy

[Yum Chickens]

[quote name='TTVT' timestamp='1304310561' post='679537']


Lol Flacco didnt take us to the playoffs our defense and run game did lol
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I don't quite see anything in that statement that makes me laugh out loud. Yet my point is Flacco is probably the best QB the Ravens have had, not because he's amazing in any special way, but he certainly does SOMETHING (no idea what) that seems to work consistently.

[H8R]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304354960' post='679837']
i think that you are jumping the gun on this one H8R. lol! no one here (at least not me) is saying that Tyrod Taylor should start over Flacco. Flacco is the man! Flacco is our man! and with Tyrod in the fold, we can do some great things. why does it have to be love one and hate the other? i don't get that!

~Mili
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Do you listen to 105.7? Have you read these boards after a less then stellar game for Flacco? Have you been around here the last 3 years? The same people that jumped on the Troy Train will be the SAME people on the Tyrod Train. The back-up should NEVER be apart of the plans for ANY plays unless the starter get hurt, IMO.
Baltimore has had crap QB's since 96 until the Flacco for the most part.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1304374378' post='680133']
What im done. Patriots stockpile first round talent. Then find ways to add even more. As far as Peyton doing it with whatever he has on deck, tell me why he has only won one super bowl. 9-9 in the playoffs, all the while crying like ELI when things don't go his way.
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Okay, its common knowledge that Manning has been able to "plug and play" WR's and TE's and make them look like pro-bowlers when before they were not even known.

I assumed you knew this, but then again you think the scrambling QB is the future of the league.....oh well

[lowrider]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1304424660' post='680436']
Do you listen to 105.7? Have you read these boards after a less then stellar game for Flacco? Have you been around here the last 3 years? The same people that jumped on the Troy Train will be the SAME people on the Tyrod Train. The back-up should NEVER be apart of the plans for ANY plays unless the starter get hurt, IMO.
Baltimore has had crap QB's since 96 until the Flacco for the most part.
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Thats what I'm saying. I think Taylor will be a fine player, and he has great character, but there is a reason he dropped so far. It is probably me being paranoid but it feels like if Flacco has one bad game people look at the next man behind and say "next man up" as if they are clever. As long as people understand Flacco is our qb (at least in this moment of time) then I hope Taylor develops into something.

[Perfekt]

the reason people supported troy was because of the hate that was thrown. im not a TT fan but hes a raven so by default im going to root for him. Flacco is our qb nothing is going to change that but if TT developes into a better option then it should be him on the field. The same holds tru for every position because at the end up of the day building the best team possible is our goal not keeping everyone happy.

[MHAULSEE]

[quote name='RavenDude11' timestamp='1304374805' post='680143']
It's only going to take 1 preseason game of him running around and making a couple deep throws b4 the QB controversy hits the boards.

...Ahhh the good ol' days, Boller vs Troy
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please god no do not mention those days again please no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!