Torrey Smith

[pittman2052]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1304123979' post='675692']

Not true. Smith impressed at the combine and was possibly the highest valued WR available when we drafted him. Good pick imo. Did you even watch him at MD?
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Show me some film of him doing more than just go routes and screens. he is not that good at all. once we see how he plays against good defense, you will see that the guys is just not what we needed. we needed a fast jump ball catcher, not a dante stallworth clone.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='20ravens52' timestamp='1304127110' post='676001']
40 times DONT matter. On film he is fast and thats all that matters.

He is a good pick here, and he is going to work hard to become a good player on this team.
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he isnt even fast on film. he scores on busted coverage. when brandon harris covered him this year, he couldnt do anything. he had 3 catches for around 30 yards against him. if he is so fast where was all that on field speed. the guy is going to bust. guaranteed or your money back.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1304125154' post='675810']
What? You obviously didn't EVER watch T. Smith at UMD. His main asset is how fast he is along with great awareness. His main concern is route-running, which usually isn't a problem because he normally bombs down the field for a hail-mary...which is what the Ravens need him to do.
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he couldnt do anything against the Canes. against good coverage he cant do anything. against bump and run he is not a factor. we just wasted a pick when there was way more talent on the board.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1304125154' post='675810']
What? You obviously didn't EVER watch T. Smith at UMD. His main asset is how fast he is along with great awareness. His main concern is route-running, which usually isn't a problem because he normally bombs down the field for a hail-mary...which is what the Ravens need him to do.
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Thats easy when you have an ENTIRE offense built around you to make plays. If MD didnt suck so much and had other playmakers, his production would be a joke and he would be the 5-6th round pick he should have been. What a terrible reach for the ravens when there are MUCH better players still on the bored. Same with the Tackle they just picked up

[20ravens52]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304129201' post='676201']
he isnt even fast on film. he scores on busted coverage. when brandon harris covered him this year, he couldnt do anything. he had 3 catches for around 30 yards against him. if he is so fast where was all that on field speed. the guy is going to bust. guaranteed or your money back.
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yeah he scores on busted coverage like every reciever in college...he also breaks tackles and makes moves to "bust" the coverage.

Brandon Harris is a good CB...and MD had a freshman quarterback in there so why he throw towards the best CB in the ACC this past season?


Your ignorant if you guarantee a bust so theres no further point in debating.

[SpeedKills]

Even if this isn't the pick I would have made, I trust Ozzie. And I CERTAINLY want him to suceed. No busts here, please!

Good luck, Torrey.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' timestamp='1304124183' post='675716']
Terrible? Dude you are a serious downer. Did you hear Harbaugh talking about him? I'll take Ozzie, Eric, and Harbaugh's opinion over yours, thanks.

Whatever.
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If you really believe that he is going to be a great reciever just look back at what he really did in college. He couldn't even become a factor in the games against Miami and Florida State. He drops the easiest of passes because he lets the ball get into his chest. He can not block at all. The only reason he scored as much as he did was busted coverage. He gets caught from behind way too much to be a "burner". He can not get away from press coverage. He is not even going to be close to the fastest person on the field in the NFL or even be the fastest Raven. You show me anything besides a highlight video of him doing anything I just said he can't or couldn't do and I might change my opinion.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1304123979' post='675692']

Not true. Smith impressed at the combine and was possibly the highest valued WR available when we drafted him. Good pick imo. Did you even watch him at MD?
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How come every person who loves Smith assumes someone who doesn't like him never watched Maryland? For the thousandth time, I've watched plenty of Maryland games and I was never, [i]ever[/i] impressed by Smith, period. He was certainly far from being the third best receiver, and he's far from a "deep threat" for us. And no, I do not care what anyone who loves him has to say.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='20ravens52' timestamp='1304129613' post='676225']
yeah he scores on busted coverage like every reciever in college...he also breaks tackles and makes moves to "bust" the coverage.

Brandon Harris is a good CB...and MD had a freshman quarterback in there so why he throw towards the best CB in the ACC this past season?


Your ignorant if you guarantee a bust so theres no further point in debating.
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Can he win a jump ball situation? Can he get past press coverage? Can he block? Show me a video of this guy doing this.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1304125154' post='675810']
What? You obviously didn't EVER watch T. Smith at UMD. His main asset is how fast he is along with great awareness. His main concern is route-running, which usually isn't a problem because he normally bombs down the field for a hail-mary...which is what the Ravens need him to do.
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We don't need someone who can only run a decent nine route. There's more to being a deep threat than just running and running and running. He's not quick off the line, he's not crafty, so he's not going to slip past the jam, and his routes are sloppy at best.

And this is coming from someone who HAS watched him. And don't sling some highlight reel at me, they're called [u]highlight[/u] reels for a reason.

[raylewislapsu]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1304124684' post='675765']
Torrey Smith sucks. This was not BPA at all, it was a total homer pick. They picked him with Leonard Hankerson, Randall Cobb and Greg Little still on the board. Even Brandon Harris was a huge drop at 58. The Ravens never pick the players analysts predict them to take because they have always followed the BPA philosophy and/or traded around, and this year its the exact opposite. And people thinking Torrey Smith is fast are mistaken. He is of average speed (even mark clayton is faster than him who runs a 4.41 compared to smiths 4.43), he doesn't give you the "speed" you think he does. Leonard Hankerson is the next reggie wayne and he gives us the speed we were looking for and has the height to catch the high passes from flacco... and from the U... i can't believe we passed on him. I feel stupid for thinking we go BPA, ozzie's on vacation an decosta is making the picks. This is worse than when ozzie handed 30 mil to Foxworth to give us nothing for 2 years just cuz he was the hometown kid. Why can't ozzie ever draft a good WR in 10 years? He keeps drafting the Mark Claytons of every draft. Im sick. Blah even justin houston was on the board... im sick.
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No doubt. Ask yourself this, would you rather have a Dez Bryant or an Earl Bennett? Torrey Smith has been compared to Bennett on numerous occasions and just because he is a great human being that is from UMD doesn't justify this pick. As I said before, Greg Little is very close in talent to Dez Bryant who we just missed last year, and I agree that Hankerson would have been a way better selection. I guess we'll see in around 3 years as to who is a better player...

[Militant X 1]

see....this is why "opinions" are a beautiful thing and that you have to stay true to your own and not be a follower in the crowd! some-do, some-don't and some-will and some-won't. what does that mean?

some do like Torrey
some don't like Torrey
some will like Torrey
some won't like Torrey

who cares?

either way....stick to your own opinions and don't let someone else think for you!

i like Torrey!

~Mili

[Milton145]

Glad we got the 2 picks we've (most of us) been wanting all offseason. Idk at some point some of us just started to go away from the Torrey support. (Though I'll admit I wanted Young more but he's gone so Torrey was the 2nd option for WR)

Anyways, I've been reading up on Hankerson and it seems he has a problem catching the ball. While Torrey does it with his body at least he's still consistent in catching passes. People compare Hankerson to Braylon Edwards...no thanks.

Here's hoping Torrey does good for us and I wish him the best. So far we got speedsters in Torrey and Reed for the future...I'm still wanting us to get Edmond Gates tomorrow. That'd be some serious big plays and speed for the future.

[RavensAllTheWay]

For the people doubting Smith, who do you guys think is better? Smith or David Reed? Because there's been plenty of talk about using [i]Reed[/i] to potentially open up space for Boldin and Mason, and I'm not arguing with it. Now we have another option, so I would not worry. To me, the most realistic way we could screw this pick up is if Cam fails to utilize him.

[raylewislapsu]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1304131110' post='676291']
For the people doubting Smith, who do you guys think is better? Smith or David Reed? Because there's been plenty of talk about using [i]Reed[/i] to potentially open up space for Boldin and Mason, and I'm not arguing with it. Now we have another option, so I would not worry. To me, the most realistic way we could screw this pick up is if Cam fails to utilize him.
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Greg Little and Leonard Hankerson are better and have more upside, duh.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1304131110' post='676291']
For the people doubting Smith, who do you guys think is better? Smith or David Reed? Because there's been plenty of talk about using [i]Reed[/i] to potentially open up space for Boldin and Mason, and I'm not arguing with it. Now we have another option, so I would not worry. To me, the most realistic way we could screw this pick up is if Cam fails to utilize him.
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Which, sadly, is quite possible.

[RoflDogs]

I've warmed to Torrey and reminded myself that he looks like a poor man's Roddy White with speed

[pittman2052]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1304130893' post='676284']
Glad we got the 2 picks we've (most of us) been wanting all offseason. Idk at some point some of us just started to go away from the Torrey support. (Though I'll admit I wanted Young more but he's gone so Torrey was the 2nd option for WR)

Anyways, I've been reading up on Hankerson and it seems he has a problem catching the ball. While Torrey does it with his body at least he's still consistent in catching passes. People compare Hankerson to Braylon Edwards...no thanks.

Here's hoping Torrey does good for us and I wish him the best. So far we got speedsters in Torrey and Reed for the future...I'm still wanting us to get Edmond Gates tomorrow. That'd be some serious big plays and speed for the future.
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are you serious? torrey being consistent with catching. wow. look at him in games, not just highlight films. Hankerson had problems before this past season. This season he comes and breaks records that Andre Johnson couldn't break. If he wasn't consistent how would he have caught 22 touchdown passes this year? He didn't even have to run go routes to score. He could catch a dig route and score a touchdown.

[Yum Chickens]

Can we all just trust in Ozzie? Please?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Don't care that they took Torrey. I care that they took him when Justin Houston was available.

[Milton145]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304131490' post='676308']
are you serious? torrey being consistent with catching. wow. look at him in games, not just highlight films. Hankerson had problems before this past season. This season he comes and breaks records that Andre Johnson couldn't break. If he wasn't consistent how would he have caught 22 touchdown passes this year? He didn't even have to run go routes to score. He could catch a dig route and score a touchdown.
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I said that I was reading up on both players and from what I've read, Smith is more consistent catching the football than Hankerson (again I'm not a college football fan, just reading up on the players). And so what if he broke records Andre Johnson couldn't? David Reed broke some of Steve Smith's records but does that mean he's gonna be as good as Steve Smith?

And so what if Torrey only runs drags, go routes, etc ? He doesn't need to do much as the 3rd Receiver of the team for now and will learn as he goes along (like all rookies do). Point is, we got a high rated prospect who carried a late first round grade so we should be happy. Only time will tell how good they will actually be so instead of pouting because we didn't get the WR you wanted, we should be supporting the move and embracing the fact we got another deep threat receiver we need.

BTW- Hankerson caught 22 TD passes for his career. Not this year alone. Torry has got 19 for his career, but has more receiving yards and receptions than Hankerson for his career.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='Yum Chickens' timestamp='1304131503' post='676309']
Can we all just trust in Ozzie? Please?
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I want to trust Ozzie, but these last two years have been nothing short of a letdown in my book. Besides Jimmy Smith, who have we drafted in the last two years who actually produced anything? This Torrey Smith pick was only because he is from Maryland.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304132282' post='676341']
I want to trust Ozzie, but these last two years have been nothing short of a letdown in my book. Besides Jimmy Smith, who have we drafted in the last two years who actually produced anything? This Torrey Smith pick was only because he is from Maryland.
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Oher ring a bell?

[pittman2052]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1304132392' post='676345']
Oher ring a bell?
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So one good player in almost 3 drafts now? And I am supposed to keep trying to trust in Ozzie? How many pro bowl players have we skipped over in the last few years? How many really good players have we skipped over in the last few years? How many good players have we got in the last last few years? 1 Michael Oher.

[pittman2052]

I am and will always be a die hard Ravens fan, but damn. We need some help drafting.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304132676' post='676356']
So one good player in almost 3 drafts now? And I am supposed to keep trying to trust in Ozzie? How many pro bowl players have we skipped over in the last few years? How many really good players have we skipped over in the last few years? How many good players have we got in the last last few years? 1 Michael Oher.
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So you're writing off all the players that we just drafted last year before they even get significant amounts of play time?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304132282' post='676341']
I want to trust Ozzie, but these last two years have been nothing short of a letdown in my book. Besides Jimmy Smith, who have we drafted in the last two years who actually produced anything? This Torrey Smith pick was only because he is from Maryland.
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2009's draft class as a whole hasn't been impressive but Oher and Webb have been good picks. Last year's class was obviously underwhelming but not only were the majority of the prospects drafted with the future in mind, the best one didn't play a down because he was hurt.

I don't get your second sentence. Jimmy Smith hasn't done anything at the NFL level.

I'm pretty sure Smith was drafted because Ozzie and company did their due diligence and deemed him worthy of the 58th pick. You say it was only because he went to Maryland like you were part of the scouting process.

[pittman2052]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1304132865' post='676366']
So you're writing off all the players that we just drafted last year before they even get significant amounts of play time?
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Not writing them off, but where is the production? Lardarius Webb plays decent but gives up way too many big plays(third and 19). Paul Kruger had one big play which was an interception against Pittsburgh. I hope Sergio Kindle can become a great player once or if he is healed up. Also, I am hoping that Terrance Cody can become dominant again. But if you look at all that we gave up and the production we haven't gotten, it's just really frustrating knowing we needed an Andre Johnson type player and we failed miserably at that. I am hoping that Torrey Smith can become a great receiver, just I really can not see it.

[ghost1986]

Thanks, Maryland1. This was getting ugly. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but wow. I too wanted Hankerson, but we have Torrey Smith. It'll all pan out. I'm just going to trust in Ozzy.


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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='pittman2052' timestamp='1304133628' post='676389']
Not writing them off, but where is the production? Lardarius Webb plays decent but gives up way too many big plays(third and 19). Paul Kruger had one big play which was an interception against Pittsburgh. I hope Sergio Kindle can become a great player once or if he is healed up. Also, I am hoping that Terrance Cody can become dominant again. But if you look at all that we gave up and the production we haven't gotten, [b]it's just really frustrating knowing we needed an Andre Johnson type player and we failed miserably at that[/b]. I am hoping that Torrey Smith can become a great receiver, just I really can not see it.
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Johnson was drafted 3rd overall. Was a player like him available for the Ravens to draft? I don't think so.