Adam Schefter Said We Are One Of The Teams Likely To Sign Nnamdi..

[scrock]

I think someone made a mistake when Adam Schefter gave his list the other day I was watching and Baltimore was not mentioned...maybe this guy is dreaming or he did a 2nd list with Baltimore on it ?

[izvoodoo]

If Nnamdi wants to work for charity and the good will of the children of baltimore sure.

But if he wants that money stuff... not gonna happen.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1304196259' post='677857']
I am extremely disappointed in the lack of sense of urgency to improve on our pass rush and run/pass blocking!!!

I mean seriously, if you think about it our corners were not that bad! Our recievers were not THAT bad either, they just weren't used strategically!

We are soft and vulnerable at several KEY positions like;
DE/OLB; No pass rush to compliement Suggs... I would've preferred to have went for a DE -or- OLB, and then a Wr -or- CB... I trust in OZ, but how would you feel if this is how the first two rounds panned out;

1. Muhammad Wilkerson
2. (Trade Up) Ras I Dowling
3. Torrey Smith
[/quote]
Dowling was hurt all year this last year and then re-aggravated his hamstring at the combine. Frankly Im surprised he went at the top of round 2. Smith wouldnt have been there in the 3rd in all likelihood and Wilkersons ceiling isnt close to what JSmiths is.

[ellicottraven]

In an ideal world nobody in his right mind would refuse the prospect of having Namdi on his team, but, how does it work with the salary cap issues? If this were an uncapped year or if it were MLB with no cap, then I would say go for it! But, I know it is impractical and in the long term detrimental to keeping all our other players paid and happy!

[RoflDogs]

The only way Nnamdi signs with us is to take a pay cut to a neighborhood of 6-8 million a year.


Which practically means,

keep on dreaming folks

[wayne]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1304297656' post='679329']
We are going to address the pass rush, as soon as free agency begin Ozzie said they would look around the league and see what's out there
[/quote]
Telling y'all I'm guessing Ozzie's mind set on the draft as you know every voice in the war room was heard, especially Pagano. If Pagano truely is as aggressive as they say he is with blitzing and he brings a little organized chaos back to this team, the need for a good pass rusher opposite of Suggs weakens a little but the demand for better secondary play increases seeing they will be matched up 1-on-1 alot. Sure Ozzie was thinking this same thing seeing that he drafted the way he did with not addressing the pass rush at all with the team coming off a season low 27 sacks, it's the only way I can make sense of it. Give it a little thought and it will make alot of sense to you too.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304309747' post='679529']
Telling y'all I'm guessing Ozzie's mind set on the draft as you know every voice in the war room was heard, especially Pagano. If Pagano truely is as aggressive as they say he is with blitzing and he brings a little organized chaos back to this team, the need for a good pass rusher opposite of Suggs weakens a little but the demand for better secondary play increases seeing they will be matched up 1-on-1 alot. [b]Sure Ozzie was thinking this same thing seeing that he drafted the way he did with not addressing the pass rush at all with the team coming off a season low 27 sacks, it's the only way I can make sense of it. Give it a little thought and it will make alot of sense to you too.[/b]
[/quote]

Ozzie wanted a pass rusher in the draft. He basically admitted the organization was targeting Chris Carter.

Pernell McPhee regressed a pass rusher last season but he showed the ability to do it '09 and at junior college, so the team actually did address the pass rush.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304310342' post='679535']
Ozzie wanted a pass rusher in the draft. He basically admitted the organization was targeting Chris Carter.

[b]Pernell McPhee regressed a pass rusher last season but he showed the ability to do it '09 and at junior college, so the team actually did address the pass rush.
[/b][/quote]

Well, that's a marginal addition. Still, if we get ANYTHING from Kruger - as we should - our pass-rush will be improved. And, of course, I'm still looking forward to free agency and/or trades once this CBA situation is dealt with.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304309747' post='679529']
Telling y'all I'm guessing Ozzie's mind set on the draft as you know every voice in the war room was heard, especially Pagano. If Pagano truely is as aggressive as they say he is with blitzing and he brings a little organized chaos back to this team, the need for a good pass rusher opposite of Suggs weakens a little but the demand for better secondary play increases seeing they will be matched up 1-on-1 alot. Sure Ozzie was thinking this same thing seeing that he drafted the way he did with not addressing the pass rush at all with the team coming off a season low 27 sacks, it's the only way I can make sense of it. Give it a little thought and it will make alot of sense to you too.
[/quote]
I thought of that too at times with the addition of Smith as a pure cover press corner, and Chykie Brown played as a press corner at Texas. But with that, Id be hard pressed to say Pagano is as creative as Rex, or even Capers.

[RoflDogs]

Kruger showed plenty of pass rush ability in my opinion. He got a ton of pressures

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1304310342' post='679535']
Ozzie wanted a pass rusher in the draft. He basically admitted the organization was targeting Chris Carter.

Pernell McPhee regressed a pass rusher last season but he showed the ability to do it '09 and at junior college, so the team actually did address the pass rush.
[/quote]
Yea but we really could have gotten someone like Houston in the 2nd round if Ozzie was really that concerned. McPhee has a big question mark surrounding him and if his target was only Carter out of all the other OLB's in the draft, I stand corrected.

[wayne]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1304313315' post='679583']
Kruger showed plenty of pass rush ability in my opinion. He got a ton of pressures
[/quote]
I believe in the Parcells law for the most part so we will see what he is made of out the gate I hope but like many have said before, they beefed him up, I don't see them dropping him back down in weight for OLB position.

[berad]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304314665' post='679607']
I believe in the [b]Parcells law[/b] for the most part so we will see what he is made of out the gate I hope but like many have said before, they beefed him up, I don't see them dropping him back down in weight for OLB position.
[/quote]

Googled it and only got a real law firm lol. So I'll be a noob and ask, what's Parcells law? Does he have some guidelines?

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1304297100' post='679322']
Pretty good LB, but offers very little in terms of pass-rush.
[/quote]
I thought so as well, until I read a few articles about him on PFF.com after I traded for him in our Mock Draft. Check this article out:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/16/pass-rushing-productivity-3/

They graded him out among the top in terms of pass rushing productivity, but he was sent after the QB significantly less than anyone on the list. Although one could argue that an increase in blitzes wouldn't necessarily mean an increase in production, he would certainly be a cost-effective option with a lot of promise. He also received positive grades in run support and coverage, so he wouldn't be a one trick pony. I'd definitely hope that he gets some consideration, though for some reason, I don't see the move happening.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304314531' post='679605']
Yea but we really could have gotten someone like Houston in the 2nd round if Ozzie was really that concerned. McPhee has a big question mark surrounding him and if his target was only Carter out of all the other OLB's in the draft, I stand corrected.
[/quote]

We know the organization adheres to their big board. It wouldn't surprise me if Ozzie and company had Torrey rated higher than Houston.

McPhee is a question mark but he has some workable tools.

Carter wasn't the only OLB the organization was targeting. That's something else Ozzie explicitly said.

[wayne]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1304314942' post='679611']
Googled it and only got a real law firm lol. So I'll be a noob and ask, what's Parcells law? Does he have some guidelines?
[/quote]
You know, after 3 years either you got what it takes or you don't. Not true for all players but for most it seems like its some truth to that.

[march4superbowl]

Much more likely to sign a free agent DE/OLB to start opposite Sizzle... but who's out there?? hmmm

[stan]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1304196259' post='677857']
I am extremely disappointed in the lack of sense of urgency to improve on our pass rush and run/pass blocking!!!

I mean seriously, if you think about it our corners were not that bad! Our recievers were not THAT bad either, they just weren't used strategically!

We are soft and vulnerable at several KEY positions like;
DE/OLB; No pass rush to compliement Suggs... I would've preferred to have went for a DE -or- OLB, and then a Wr -or- CB... I trust in OZ, but how would you feel if this is how the first two rounds panned out;

1. Muhammad Wilkerson
2. (Trade Up) Ras I Dowling
3. Torrey Smith
[/quote]
There are many more question marks about Wilkerson, considered a sleeper, and Dowling, comming off a double injury to one leg, than Smith and Smith who we got one and two respectively. I agree somewhat that your suggestion is interesting but shut-down corners come along just a couple per decade. You count the number of shut-down corners drafted in the last 10 years on one hand!

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1304297100' post='679322']
Pretty good LB, but offers very little in terms of pass-rush.
[/quote]

Actually, Lawson was very efficient when given the opportunity to get after the Quarterback.

I'd say he's a poor man's Terrell Suggs: he can do everything, like Suggs, just not as well as Suggs can. I'd be cool with him playing accross from Suggs on passing downs.

[stan]

[quote name='march4superbowl' timestamp='1304319623' post='679647']
Much more likely to sign a free agent DE/OLB to start opposite Sizzle... but who's out there?? hmmm
[/quote]
Good point. What team having a star pass rusher is going to allow another team to out bid for him? Kruger would have been fine if they wouldn't have tried to make a 3/4 DE out of him. He's our own rush end type guy at 265 pounds but Mattison wanted him to bulk up. Same thing was done to Adalius Thomas which is what stunted his growth. Look what he did when he was used properly. Why do we draft guys and try to make them something else. I don't know.

[Kwothdaraven]

Im guessing they are expecting kindle to play

[berad]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304316348' post='679630']
You know, after 3 years either you got what it takes or you don't. Not true for all players but for most it seems like its some truth to that.
[/quote]

Oh, okay, I had just never heard it put that way. Good rule of thumb, definitely. Thanks

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1304302409' post='679416']
The only way Nnamdi signs with us is to take a pay cut to a neighborhood of 6-8 million a year.


Which practically means,

keep on dreaming folks
[/quote]

Yea I mean if were worried about not bringing back Wilson because of money, how on earth are we going to bring in the highest paid corner in the NFL. LOL ain't gonna happen, but a nice dream none the less.

[Free Agent]

Nnamdi and Jimmy Smith would be scary. Too bad there is no chance on planet earth that it will happen.

[behindenemylines]

People say "we can do it" others say "its impossible!"
I wanted to add some numbers to the debate so I did some research.
For our purposes, the league proposed a $141m Salary Cap, the NFLPA proposed $151m. Lets say they meet halfway and its $145m(this is all assuming they reach an agreement- otherwise its uncapped. If uncapped, Id say go do it because we'll lose a couple of very expensive players in the next few years freeing up the space we need).


The ravens currently have around $100m in signed commitments, including a few players who I dont see as having a future here that are sucking up big bucks:
Willis Mcgahee- $6m
Kelly Gregg- $3.5m
Domonique Foxworth $4.4m

Going through the draft positions we drafted at vs the 2010 draft... we'll owe rookies around 3m next year.

They will have to pay Haloti $12.5m a year. I imagine a long-term contract would be similar in the first year, though maybe a tad more.

To pay for our tenders, we'll have to lay down about $14m.

Then, there are a couple critical signs we need to make:
Josh Wilson - I anticipate we will pay him in the vein of foxy, say 4m a year.
Marshal Yanda - I imagine we'll pay him similarly to some of the NYJ guards, also say 5m a year.

So that puts us around $140m.
Dawan Landry is also a free agent, but I dont see them signing him because he'll want a big contract- he's very good. Plus we have Haruki and Tom waiting to play, with Chykie being a combo man. He's been both safety and CB. Could be a solid 4th backup.

So that leaves 5 million, plus whatever we can gain by trading or cutting Willis, Kelly Gregg and Foxy. Make no mistake, we can cut foxworth if we go get Aso. So by cutting or trading Willis and Foxy, we'd get ~10.4m back, giving the Ravens 15.4m to play with.

If you can get Asomugha for around 12-3/year, damn right i'd do it. Then spend the rest (and maybe even trade/cut Kelly Gregg, since we have an overabundance of Dline guys) on a pass rusher and you're set.

If my math is wrong anywhere or anyone sees an error in my grasp of the situation, point it out below. For example, I am not sure if we cut those 3 guys if we get all, a portion, or none of their salary back(in terms of cap credit). My perception was we can get most of it back.

[Bltravens]

Theres always cap penalties for cutting a guy when he's mid contract.

[behindenemylines]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1304353826' post='679817']
Theres always cap penalties for cutting a guy when he's mid contract.
[/quote]

Definitely, I just couldnt find them. And, for example, with Foxworth we could trade him. There are a ton of teams (detroit?) that could use quality cbs. Willis is tougher, but I remember seeing somewhere the penalty for him is around 2.3m or so.

Im not super-sold on it, because we'd have to cut folks to do it, but I think it would be unreal to have both Aso and Jimmy Smith. With Ray Lewis retiring in the next couple of years and ed looking pretty shaky healthwise, it'd be good to have another blue-chip guy on the roster, Suggs and Ngata aside.

Obviously though, I dont have the whole picture.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='behindenemylines' timestamp='1304354303' post='679825']
Definitely, I just couldnt find them. And, for example, with Foxworth we could trade him. There are a ton of teams (detroit?) that could use quality cbs. Willis is tougher, but I remember seeing somewhere the penalty for him is around 2.3m or so.

Im not super-sold on it, because we'd have to cut folks to do it, but I think it would be unreal to have both Aso and Jimmy Smith. With Ray Lewis retiring in the next couple of years and ed looking pretty shaky healthwise, it'd be good to have another blue-chip guy on the roster, Suggs and Ngata aside.

Obviously though, I dont have the whole picture.
[/quote]
Ya alot of people on here want Foxworth to restructure his contract in light of Wilson's play and drafting JSmith. McGahee I would assume is going to be released regardless.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1304334704' post='679669']
Actually, Lawson was very efficient when given the opportunity to get after the Quarterback.

I'd say he's a poor man's Terrell Suggs: he can do everything, like Suggs, just not as well as Suggs can. I'd be cool with him playing accross from Suggs on passing downs.
[/quote]

Agreed. Let's hope the the Ravens sign him whenever free agency starts; he may be the best rush LB available.

[wayne]

I don't see us letting Landry go, I see him staying and being the Raven that he is wanting a little more money but not trying to break the bank on the organization. I can see us letting Willis, Kelly Greg, T.J., and Stallworth go and maybe a few others.