Steve Smith To Bmore?

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1304990665' post='684354']
Please remove the Raiders from your list They don't seserve to be within a few commas and letters of the Steelers and Patriots!
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of course they do! especially when it comes to "starting" their rookie......Jacoby Ford!

other teams have confidence in "starting" their rookies....while the Ravens tend to always bench ours....hoping that they will "learn" from the vets (old guys). smh! we are actually prolonging their development. it's time to change that archaic thought-process imo.

~Mili

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304998680' post='684418']
of course they do! especially when it comes to "starting" their rookie......Jacoby Ford!

other teams have confidence in "starting" their rookies....while the Ravens tend to always bench ours....hoping that they will "learn" from the vets (old guys). smh! we are actually prolonging their development. it's time to change that archaic thought-process imo.

~Mili
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There have definitely been examples of talented rookies not being utilized enough but we haven't seen many situations where a rookie was noticeably better than the incumbent or more experienced competition in recent years either.

[Bltravens]

I wonder what makes SSmith want to come to Baltimore? I mean SD has just as good a chance to make the playoffs and I would venture to say playing in Norv's system with Rivers throwing you the ball would be funner than our 60-40 run play action offense is.

[Marc2k6]

No Steve Smith, NO! I like Steve Smith but we have to many young guys that need to be on the field playing ball!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1305000233' post='684428']
There have definitely been examples of talented rookies not being utilized enough but we haven't seen many situations where a rookie was noticeably better than the incumbent [b]or more experienced competition [/b]in recent years either.
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true!

but....how can the "young guys" get the experience by sitting on the bench? why even draft these young cats IF they aren't gonna play? sooner or later the Ravens coaching staff must TRUST these young bucks to get on the field and get the job done!

other teams are proving that it doesn't have to take 3-4 years BEFORE a player is so-called; "developed" enough to play in the pros. afterall, they did watch gamefilm on them and have seen their abilities and felt that they could "help" the Ravens and therefore, they drafted them right? soooo, let them help! lol!

~Mili

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1305006845' post='684448']
true!

but....how can the "young guys" get the experience by sitting on the bench? why even draft these young cats IF they aren't gonna play? sooner or later the Ravens coaching staff must TRUST these young bucks to get on the field and get the job done!

other teams are proving that it doesn't have to take 3-4 years BEFORE a player is so-called; "developed" enough to play in the pros. afterall, they did watch gamefilm on them and have seen their abilities and felt that they could "help" the Ravens and therefore, they drafted them right? soooo, let them help! lol!

~Mili
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You obviously don't gain experience riding the pine but again, when you have so many quality vets and are so aggressive in your win-now approach(like the Ravens were last off-season), you're not going to see a ton of contributions from young players. Don't get me wrong, Dickson, Pitta and Reed combining for 12 catches last season still irks me but it wasn't very surprising when you consider the players ahead of them on the depth chart.

We all know what happened to the draft pick expected to make the most impact and Cody flashed his potential and inexperience respectively in consecutive weeks.

Really, since Harbaugh took over, the only noteworthy player I can think of that sat too long has been Kruger.

[Milton145]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1305000676' post='684430']
I wonder what makes SSmith want to come to Baltimore? I mean SD has just as good a chance to make the playoffs and I would venture to say playing in Norv's system with Rivers throwing you the ball would be funner than our 60-40 run play action offense is.
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Uhhh...it's Baltimore

His fiery mindset and swagger would fit great here and I guess he knows that.

[Rav'n Maniac]

It's always going to be tough on the young guys to make the field. Especially with the receivers and the fact they stand in the shadows of greats like Mase, Q & Heap. Plus the fact that our base offense is built on 2WR / 1TE sets to emphasize play action, which leaves only limited playing time for anyone else.

As far as Smith goes, it's far from necessary to bring in another high salary aging vet. It's the offensive system, not the roster that needs to be revamped IMO.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1305008481' post='684453']
You obviously don't gain experience riding the pine but again, when you have so many quality vets and are so aggressive in your win-now approach(like the Ravens were last off-season), you're not going to see a ton of contributions from young players. [b]Don't get me wrong, Dickson, Pitta and Reed combining for 12 catches last season still irks me but it wasn't very surprising when you consider the players ahead of them on the depth chart[/b].

We all know what happened to the draft pick expected to make the most impact [b]and Cody flashed his potential and inexperience respectively in consecutive weeks[/b].

Really, since Harbaugh took over, the only noteworthy player I can think of that sat too long has been Kruger.
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again....great point!

because of all of the "old guys" on the roster at the WR position, Reed saw very little action. i also agree with Kruger. this dude is still riding the pine. Dickson? had one huge play and then he went back to the bench. now, i know that they have to "earn" their roster spots. i get that! however, having played the game myself, i also get the fact that you can learn more from "in-the game" experience than actually holding a clipboard and just watching game film week after week!

imo, at some point, the Ravens coaching staff must change their old way of thinking in reference to their rookies, their abilities and their contribution to the team because other teams (steelers, raiders, patriots etc.) seem to have done that and are having great success from their "rookies" gameplay and they are proving that you don't have to keep them on the bench for an eternity in order for them to make it in the NFL!

now Kindle? freak-accident! Cody? well, he did cause a fumble in the playoff game against the Chiefs. lol! put the rookies in the game, trust them to make plays and they can only improve!



~Mili

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' timestamp='1305022484' post='684469']
[b]It's always going to be tough on the young guys to make the field. Especially with the receivers and the fact they stand in the shadows of greats like Mase, Q & Heap. Plus the fact that our base offense is built on 2WR / 1TE sets to emphasize play action, which leaves only limited playing time for anyone else.[/b]As far as Smith goes, it's far from necessary to bring in another high salary aging vet. It's the offensive system, not the roster that needs to be revamped IMO.
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true!

~Mili

[SpeedKills]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1305034755' post='684479']
again....great point!

because of all of the "old guys" on the roster at the WR position, Reed saw very little action. i also agree with Kruger. this dude is still riding the pine. Dickson? had one huge play and then he went back to the bench. now, i know that they have to "earn" their roster spots. i get that! however, having played the game myself, i also get the fact that you can learn more from "in-the game" experience than actually holding a clipboard and just watching game film week after week!

imo, at some point, the Ravens coaching staff must change their old way of thinking in reference to their rookies, their abilities and their contribution to the team because other teams (steelers, raiders, patriots etc.) seem to have done that and are having great success from their "rookies" gameplay and they are proving that you don't have to keep them on the bench for an eternity in order for them to make it in the NFL!

now Kindle? freak-accident! Cody? well, he did cause a fumble in the playoff game against the Chiefs. lol! put the rookies in the game, trust them to make plays and they can only improve!



~Mili
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ESPECIALLY in blowout games. In a game that's 35-0 in the fourth, I'd like to see Tyrod, Jah, Anthony, Doss, Torrey, Chykie, and Pernell playing all of their respective positions. I don't want it to be just those games (that would be terrible), but they're still important snaps to learn from.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Only way I'd touch Steve Smith is if Mason retires and that's not going to happen.

[Perfekt]

if he would come here for cheap then i wouldnt mind having him.

[RavensBlogger]

I don't think we should sign him considering we already drafted two young speedy receivers. Joe Flacco will have plenty of enough targets to get the ball to already.

[Irish Raven]

Is this going to be signing Housh all over again?

Get the rookies on the field. Yes there will be mistakes and balls dropped and raw route running but they have to learn sometime.
Put them in

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304945420' post='684050']
naw! imo...it's not for the best!

[b]the Steelers[/b], Patriots and Raiders and a few other teams [b]with "starting" rookies[/b] have proved that they (rookies) can be ON THE FIELD to not only gain the experience needed for their skilled positions but to also make huge contributions! the Ravens don't do that! smh!

it has been said that; [i]"Stupidity is doing the same old things the same old way and expecting different results!" [/i]

other teams seem to capitalize on their "drafted" rookies while the Ravens draft good players and then let them get splinters from all of that pine riding they do. smh! imo...it's time for a change of thinking in Baltimore where playing "rookies" are concerned! put them on the field! hell...that is why you drafted them ...right?

~Mili
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I'm a little late, but when exactly have the Steelers began starting a plethora of players during their first Season? Their entire 2007th Draft class saw 5 starting games, all of those coming from Matt Speath. Neither Lawrence Timmons nor LaMarr Woodley start a single game in that Season. The Steelers 2008th class shared 1 starting game among every selection. Their 2009 class combined for 7 of them. Lastly, their 2010th combined for 17 games started, with 16 of them coming from Mike Pouncey. In fact, over the period of 4 years, the Steelers have started one player more 5 times in their Rookie year. Just not sure where you were getting that information.

[Kevin Mullins]

First and foremost.

Bringing Steve Smith to Baltimore would be a tremendous waste of cap space on a position that was just upgraded via the draft, and already had two solid veterans, and a promising 2nd year player. Steve Smith is a "me" first player who will demand the ball and sulk when he doesn't get it, or punch out D.Mason so that he has the #2 slot.


And to Militant X...

The Ravens don't really sit guys.....

Oher, Flacco, Grubbs, Ngata, and now Jimmy Smith will start from Day 1. I don't know many teams who 5 out of their last 5 1st rounders started on day 1.

Guys like Leron Mclain, Ray Rice, Ed Dickson, Lardarius Webb, Jared Gaither, Marshall Yanda all had significant impact their rookie years.

So just because one guy falls down a bunch of steps, and the other was fat and lazy for half the year doesn't mean the Ravens don't play players.

[T-Sizz]

didn't we just draft a wr?

[FerrariFan87]

Right player, right price.... not sure he's either, but he could be.

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='T-Sizz' timestamp='1305427778' post='686415']
didn't we just draft a wr?
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You quickly learn people think this is Madden and once you get to FA you sign every free agent.

Ozzie just sorts his guys by speed, and overall and just starts throwing offers lol

[gabefergy]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1305424665' post='686386']
I'm a little late, but when exactly have the Steelers began starting a plethora of players during their first Season? Their entire 2007th Draft class saw 5 starting games, all of those coming from Matt Speath. Neither Lawrence Timmons nor LaMarr Woodley start a single game in that Season. The Steelers 2008th class shared 1 starting game among every selection. Their 2009 class combined for 7 of them. Lastly, their 2010th combined for 17 games started, with 16 of them coming from Mike Pouncey. In fact, over the period of 4 years, the Steelers have started one player more 5 times in their Rookie year. Just not sure where you were getting that information.
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Steelers don't start rookies often, but Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown did see some significant playing time last year. I hope we see the same kind of action for our young WRs this next season

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1305428732' post='686426']
Steelers don't start rookies often, but Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown did see some significant playing time last year. I hope we see the same kind of action for our young WRs this next season
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Oh, they certainly did. And I hope so as well for our new additions. I was just making a point that the Steelers seem to pace their newcomers as opposed to throwing them directly into the fire. It's worked out damn well for their recent draftees, I might add, like Timmons, Woodley, Mendenhall and Wallace.

[The Negotiator]

Wednesday Steve Smith of the Carolina press conference regarding him staying in Carolina. He wants to be on a contender, then asked were he would go via trade sense he has a no trade clause, Chargers and the Ravens will be the only 2 teams I would wave mu no trade clause. Boldin Smith and Smith for at least the next 3 years priceless. Let's see what happens.

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='The Negotiator' timestamp='1305472030' post='686507']
Wednesday Steve Smith of the Carolina press conference regarding him staying in Carolina. He wants to be on a contender, then asked were he would go via trade sense he has a no trade clause, Chargers and the Ravens will be the only 2 teams I would wave mu no trade clause. Boldin Smith and Smith for at least the next 3 years priceless. Let's see what happens.
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Link please?

I did my own search....Looks like you like making things up. And you need help with grammar and spelling. Not to mention, no player will "name" his destination...this isn't baseball, where contracts are guaranteed....this is football, if you wanna be a **** the team will just cut you.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1303868770' post='671292']
You can't really blame him for the "losing environment". It's not his fault Delhomme forget which team he was playing for on a weekly basis. And remember, Carolina used to be a force in the NFC, again before Delhomme's downward spiral. If it weren't for his age, like if he had only been in the league for 4 or 5 years, then I might entertain the thought of bringing him over.
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if he was in the league for 4 to 5 years u "might"?lol if he was younger id be all over him if i were the Ravens and would love to have him here right now im sure he could be productive but the age factor would keep me away

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1305503659' post='686743']
Link please?

I did my own search....Looks like you like making things up. And you need help with grammar and spelling. Not to mention, no player will "name" his destination...this isn't baseball, where contracts are guaranteed....this is football, if you wanna be a **** the team will just cut you.
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actually Smith did mention Chargers Ravens and another team i think it was the Raiders

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305962114' post='689180']
actually Smith did mention Chargers Ravens and another team i think it was the [b]Raiders[/b]
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He wants to go to a contender and he mentioned the Raiders? The guy must have a couple of screws loose lol.

Even so, I don't want him. Time to use youth and homegrown (literally for Torrey) talent at WR.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1305964250' post='689183']
He wants to go to a contender and he mentioned the Raiders? The guy must have a couple of screws loose lol.

Even so, I don't want him. Time to use youth and homegrown (literally for Torrey) talent at WR.
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well the Raiders arent that shabby.a contender? maybe with a few pieces added overall, they were like top 11 in both offensive and defensive catagories and sweep their division so there is potential.But thats what he said I guess anything is an improvement from the team hes currently on

[BmoreRaised]

but the way i saw it he named the teams im not sure he mentioned the Raiders as"contenders" in particular.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305964624' post='689184']
well the Raiders arent that shabby.a contender? maybe with a few pieces added overall, they were like top 11 in both offensive and defensive catagories and sweep their division so there is potential.But thats what he said I guess anything is an improvement from the team hes currently on
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I'd be a bit skeptical of their chances of 'contending'. Unless they win their division, which I think is unlikely but I wouldn't say impossible, they won't win a wild card place in the playoffs. The North and East divisions are the most likely, and I think the South is more likely to provide a wild card challenge than the East.

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1305965548' post='689186']
but the way i saw it he named the teams im not sure he mentioned the Raiders as"contenders" in particular.
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Fair enough then, but I still don't understand why he'd want to go to the Raiders.