Steve Smith To Bmore?

[flynismo]

And good god, trying to keep track of all these Smiths in this conversation.......

[JO_75]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304884354' post='683727']
And good god, trying to keep track of all these Smiths in this conversation.......
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I know, even after drafting 2 Young WRs people still want Steve Smith lol.

I did read the Chargers are monitoring his status and could pull a trade for him with the Panthers. I wonder if the Chargers & Panthers would do a switch and the Chargers would send VJ to Carolina and Smith goes to San Diego.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1304885437' post='683735']
I know, even after drafting 2 Young WRs people still want Steve Smith lol.

I did read the Chargers are monitoring his status and could pull a trade for him with the Panthers. I wonder if the Chargers & Panthers would do a switch and the Chargers would send VJ to Carolina and Smith goes to San Diego.
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That would be beyond stupid by the Chargers.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304884241' post='683725']
Well honestly I think the only real issue here is $$. No one in their right minds would choose Torrey over Steve if their salary was the same. But that's not reality...reality is when you're a proven superstar like Steve Smith, you get paid like one. It's a matter of deciding whether having a deep threat to go along with all these other weapons is worth that kind of money (and sorry Torrey fans, Torrey is nowhere near a suitable alternative to Steve Smith. That's just insulting.)[b]as for throwing these rookies on the field...I think you fellas are thinking wishfully. Other than Flacco, when was the last time we just threw a skill position out on the field as a starter?[/b] (well apparently Jimmy Smith, but that's a bit different...he's on a whole different planet than Torrey)
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I think it might have been Landry in '06 but he the competition he had at that position was sorry to say the last.

As for Torrey's early playing time, some may be overestimating his impact but he opportunities will likely be there. I don't remember Cam running many 4-WR sets last season but he routinely had 3 WRs on the field. Even though it isn't very impressive, Torrey is the fastest WR on the team and for that reason alone, he'll have opportunities to make plays. How many of those opportunities he'll earn, how the coaches will choose to get him the ball and what he does with them are other issues but I expect him to make some plays early on.

[Alexir]

We need to give our young guys a chance. If anything, I would be more concerned with getting a pass rusher, SS or a RB/FB than getting more free agent WR.

Also we have zero depth at Center and Guard...

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304884354' post='683727']
And good god, trying to keep track of all these Smiths in this conversation.......
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You know, I don't know if I'd rather have Steve Smith from Carolina or Steve Smith from New York. But now that we have Torrey Smith, I don't think we need either Steve Smith. But regardless of whether we have Steve Smith, Steve Smith, or even Torrey Smith, they'd all have a hard time if Troy Smith were our quarterback. I mean, a Smith to Smith connection would be rather hard to fear. Don't even get me started on Jimmy Smith...

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304884241' post='683725']
Well honestly I think the only real issue here is $$. No one in their right minds would choose Torrey over Steve if their salary was the same. But that's not reality...reality is when you're a proven superstar like Steve Smith, you get paid like one. It's a matter of deciding whether having a deep threat to go along with all these other weapons is worth that kind of money (and sorry Torrey fans, Torrey is nowhere near a suitable alternative to Steve Smith. That's just insulting.)[b]as for throwing these rookies on the field...I think you fellas are thinking wishfully. Other than Flacco, when was the last time we just threw a skill position out on the field as a starter? [/b] (well apparently Jimmy Smith, but that's a bit different...he's on a whole different planet than Torrey)
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Fly,

Patriots....TE Gronkowski..yrs experience? [b]ROOKIE[/b]
Cowboys....WR Bryant....yrs experience? [b]ROOKIE[/b]
Raiders....WR Ford.....yrs experience? [b]ROOKIE[/b]

i believe that all of these cats were "rookies" this past season and they ALL made huge contributions to their teams while the Ravens have the mindset and mentality of keeping their young talent on the bench in hopes of them being developed. smh!

these young bucs that i mentioned were actually in the battle on the field improving their craft while our young bucs were riding the pine watching from the sidelines. smh!

~Mili

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Im gonna have to agree, let the young guys play. The longer you sit, the longer you go without meaningful competition, and that makes it harder to play once you do get the chance. After a while watching tape isnt helping you develop unless you see how that knowledge applies to your game on the field. All the practice reps in the world don't help unless you get opportunities to apply it in a game-like scenerio. We need young guys on the field who havent been there done that because those are the guys who still have the fire burning... its new to them. They have something to prove and a dream to fulfill. Im tired of drafting young players who seemingly have a ton of potential only to watch them sit for a year or two and then never pan out. Its because theyre sitting and not playing. We have to have faith in our team's nucleus, that we can field young inexperienced guys with talent and the leaders will shape them and keep the boat steady while the young guys have growing pains, otherwise there really isnt a point in drafting. I watch teams like New England, Green Bay, San Diego, and Dallas get good production out of their rookies year in and year out and its because those orginizations give the players a chance to succeed and they have faith that their leaders and their system will get the most out of those players. We need to start doing the same before our entire starting lineups retire and we're bringing in players who have never played a snap to replace them.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304884241' post='683725']
Well honestly I think the only real issue here is $$. No one in their right minds would choose Torrey over Steve if their salary was the same. But that's not reality...reality is when you're a proven superstar like Steve Smith, you get paid like one. It's a matter of deciding whether having a deep threat to go along with all these other weapons is worth that kind of money (and sorry Torrey fans, Torrey is nowhere near a suitable alternative to Steve Smith. That's just insulting.)as for throwing these rookies on the field...I think you fellas are thinking wishfully. Other than Flacco, when was the last time we just threw a skill position out on the field as a starter? (well apparently Jimmy Smith, but that's a bit different...he's on a whole different planet than Torrey)
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It doesnt happen often, but lets be real here if Torrey is good enough to start that means he beat out Derrick Mason in training camp. If he beats out an accomplished pro like Mason then Torrey deserves to see the field. I dont think thats going to happen, Mason's competitive drive and to an extent ego(all athletes have one whether you think it or not) won't allow that to happen, Id almost guarantee that. That means Torrey will be in the slot as the 3WR or wherever Cam moves Boldin, Mason and Torrey around. I dont think its too farfetched to expect something out of Torrey as the #3 WR. Dickson and Pitta arent going to beat out Heap in a million years until Heap can't run anymore (in my mind if Heap's career hadn't been wasted on guys like Boller, Wright, etc he would be a borderline HOF'er if it wasnt so hard for TEs to get in...he was Dallas Clark before Dallas Clark). But when Heap does leave I dont want the front office to bring in a "veteran" stop gap like we seem to be doing lately.

[JO_75]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1304889271' post='683767']
Im gonna have to agree, let the young guys play. The longer you sit, the longer you go without meaningful competition, and that makes it harder to play once you do get the chance. After a while watching tape isnt helping you develop unless you see how that knowledge applies to your game on the field. All the practice reps in the world don't help unless you get opportunities to apply it in a game-like scenerio. We need young guys on the field who havent been there done that because those are the guys who still have the fire burning... its new to them. They have something to prove and a dream to fulfill. Im tired of drafting young players who seemingly have a ton of potential only to watch them sit for a year or two and then never pan out. Its because theyre sitting and not playing. We have to have faith in our team's nucleus, that we can field young inexperienced guys with talent and the leaders will shape them and keep the boat steady while the young guys have growing pains, otherwise there really isnt a point in drafting. I watch teams like New England, Green Bay, San Diego, and Dallas get good production out of their rookies year in and year out and its because those organizations give the players a chance to succeed and they have faith that their leaders and their system will get the most out of those players. We need to start doing the same before our entire starting lineups retire and we're bringing in players who have never played a snap to replace them.
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I agree with everything you say here except you have to realize that those teams you mentioned have holes where their rookies can come in from day 1 and start. Look at us, we have proven veterans right now starting thus they just can't play at this time.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304888288' post='683759']<br />Fly,<br /><br />Patriots....TE Gronkowski..yrs experience? <b>ROOKIE</b><br />Cowboys....WR Bryant....yrs experience?  <b>ROOKIE</b><br />Raiders....WR Ford.....yrs experience?  <b>ROOKIE</b><br /><br />i believe that all of these cats were &quot;rookies&quot; this past season and they ALL made huge contributions to their teams while the Ravens have the mindset and mentality of keeping their young talent on the bench in hopes of them being developed.  smh!<br /><br />these young bucs that i mentioned were actually in the battle on the field improving their craft while our young bucs were riding the pine watching from the sidelines.  smh!<br /><br />~Mili<br />[/quote]


well, like I said, we rarely start our rookies...nothing we can do about that. But usually it's for the best anyway.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Bea]

Go away Steve Smith.

Edit: Oz said he fully expects Smith and Doss to get snaps.

[Ronthekeys]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1304881984' post='683706']
Personally I'm not sure, but he should know based on the teams he said he would like to go to (Chargers, Ravens) that the highest he will ever be on the depth chart is #2 with the strong possibility of being a #3. There is no way he starts above V-Jax or Q, and a good chance he is still behind Floydd or Mase (if he doesn't retire). Still, as a number 2, I doubt he doesn't get a good amount of balls.

And personally I don't see why many want to rush the rookies on the field. I'm pretty positive Steve Smith (who actually has experience in the league) will be better than Torrey Smith especially with no TC or OTA's NOW, as well as Tandon Doss.

And if he isn't, than Torrey will start ahead of him, but personally I don't think that will happen.
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Wait smith said he want to come to Baltimore?

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Ronthekeys' timestamp='1304906095' post='683932']
Wait smith said he want to come to Baltimore?
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It has been said in this thread that Baltimore is one of the teams he would like to go to. I'm just basing an assumption off that.

[Ronthekeys]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1304906178' post='683935']
It has been said in this thread that Baltimore is one of the teams he would like to go to. I'm just basing an assumption off that.
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Ooo.. ok.

[ellicottraven]

No thanks...

[flynismo]

Yes, smith said he wants to come here. It's on nfl.com

[wayne]

It would be all good, he would have to check his ego and take a paycut from what he normally make b/c we arent in dying need of him but us with Steve Smith would make our O damn near unstoppable.

[Milton145]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1304917330' post='684016']
It would be all good, he would have to check his ego and take a paycut from what he normally make b/c we arent in dying need of him but us with Steve Smith would make our O damn near unstoppable.
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We said that when we got Housh

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1304894334' post='683818']
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well, like I said, we rarely start our rookies...nothing we can do about that. [b]But usually it's for the best anyway.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[/b][/quote]

naw! imo...it's not for the best!

the Steelers, Patriots and Raiders and a few other teams with "starting" rookies have proved that they (rookies) can be [b]ON THE FIELD [/b]to not only gain the experience needed for their skilled positions but to also make huge contributions! the Ravens don't do that! smh!

it has been said that; [b] [i]"Stupidity is doing the same old things the same old way and expecting different results!" [/i][/b]

other teams seem to capitalize on their "drafted" rookies while the Ravens draft good players and then let them get splinters from all of that pine riding they do. smh! imo...it's time for a change of thinking in Baltimore where playing "rookies" are concerned! put them on the field! hell...that is why you drafted them ...right?

~Mili

[Marcus]

Have we not learn from last year by bringing in OLD vets?

[scrock]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1303864433' post='671229']
I really hope this hasn't been brought up already, but with Steve Smith wanting out of Carolina, do you think there is the possibility we will take a shot at him?
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I hope not, the Ravens don't need to acquire another aging WR, we've done that with mixed results...TJ was a bust for us, Stallworth was injured and never got on the field, Mason is a freak and goes on like Ray Lewis....and Boldin is older but he's not old just yet, he's got a few good years left. He plays physical though so his body will probably break down sooner rather than later. That's why we drafted two young WRs this year and we got 2 good TEs last year.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1304963883' post='684143']
I hope not, the Ravens don't need to acquire another aging WR, we've done that with mixed results...TJ was a bust for us, Stallworth was injured and never got on the field, Mason is a freak and goes on like Ray Lewis....and Boldin is older but he's not old just yet, he's got a few good years left. He plays physical though so his body will probably break down sooner rather than later. [b]That's why we drafted two young WRs this year and we got 2 good TEs last year.[/b][/quote]

now, all we have to do is put them in the game so that they can continue to grow and develop from "actually" being on the field!

~Mili

[wayne]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1304934237' post='684036']
We said that when we got Housh
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Yea, but Housh is carbon copies of the WRs we already have which is possesion WRs. Really, I say just play the rookies, alot of other teams seem to get away with it with great success ( Steelers among the many ). Play them from day 1, let them grow under fire so towards the end of the year heading into the playoffs that can be alot more fined tuned.

[Corvus]

Are we back here again guys and gals? Seriously?? No, no, no, and just for good measure no. We did this last year and how well did that work out? I don't have any problems with Steve Smith but again its doing a disservice to these young guys. I guess we'll just bury Torrey, Doss, and Reed (for another year) on the depth chart again and let the vets like Steve Smith and Housh fight over balls. Who knows, by the time those guys are gone, maybe we can get them on the fiel...oh nope they're free agents by now.

I'm glad that the FO seems to be all for a youth movement on offense now, because some people here and their ridiculous ideas and money allotments would be dooming this team...

[MDCop]

Guys really???? I mean stop and think for a minute. Yes Smith is a great receiver and is a game changer. But lets get real......we don't need him. We have Boldin, Mason, T. Smith, D. Reed, Doss and like 3 more receivers not to meantion if Houch and Stallworth get brought back ( prob not ). Plus Heap, Dickson and Pitta. Nevermind Rice coming out if the backfield. That's like 12 guys for one QB. Flacco can only throw to so many guys and some many passes a game. It's funny 2 years ago we cried about getting just ONE go to guy. Now it's like we want half of our roster to be WR's. Look we need just one deep threat and I think we got one. Plus let us not forget that we had a SPEED guy last year that never had the ball thrown his way. I think he caught like 2 passes last year. Unless Cam changes his way of thinking and lets Joe throw the ball downfield more. 20 WR's aint gonna make a difference. Be happy we got what we got.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1304971202' post='684204']
Are we back here again guys and gals? Seriously?? No, no, no, and just for good measure no. We did this last year and how well did that work out? I don't have any problems with Steve Smith [b]but again its doing a disservice to these young guys.[/b] [b]I guess we'll just bury Torrey, Doss, and Reed (for another year) on the depth chart again and let the vets like Steve Smith and Housh fight over balls. [/b]Who knows, by the time those guys are gone, maybe we can get them on the fiel...oh nope they're free agents by now.

I'm glad that the FO seems to be all for a youth movement on offense now, because some people here and their ridiculous ideas and money allotments would be dooming this team...
[/quote]

agreed!

get these old WRs off of the field! smh!

why are we drafting all of these young bucks IF we have no plans on letting them get on the field? the Ravens seem to be one of the few teams left in the NFL with that archaic mindset of letting the rookies sit on the bench and learn from the veterans. that's what practice is for...to learn! come gametime? let them get "in-the-game-experience!" the Steelers, Raiders and Patriots have done that with their rookie and with great success!

~Mili

doing the same ole thing all the time doesn't seem to be working! play the rookies!

[MsMarvel73]

Ya know...there should be no talk of even the remote possibility bringing in vets from other teams before Haloti gets his deal. Plain and simple. [b]Resigning the guys that need to be resigned should be priority number one.[/b]

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1304985604' post='684314']
agreed!

get these old WRs off of the field! smh!

why are we drafting all of these young bucks IF we have no plans on letting them get on the field? the Ravens seem to be one of the few teams left in the NFL with that archaic mindset of letting the rookies sit on the bench and learn from the veterans. that's what practice is for...to learn! come gametime? let them get "in-the-game-experience!" the Steelers, Raiders and Patriots have done that with their rookie and with great success!

~Mili

doing the same ole thing all the time doesn't seem to be working! play the rookies!
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Please remove the Raiders from your list They don't seserve to be within a few commas and letters of the Steelers and Patriots!

[Ravenslifer]

The only wideouts I would even consider brining here are VJ, Sidney Rice, Santonio Holmes, and maybe James Jones. Of those guys, only Jones has a good chance of being available. But still, Torrey Smith, Tandon Doss, or David Reed as the number 2 option is what is best long term for this team. Our draftees need to get better, and you can't do that riding the bench.