Power Rankings: Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks

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1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots
2. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts
3. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
4. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers
5. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
6. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers
7t. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
7t. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons
9. Eli Manning, New York Giants
10t. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
10t. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys

[-Truth-]

Eli Manning throws almost 40 INTs in two combined Seasons and he's still in the Top 10.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I'd be tempted to jingle the bottom 6 around, but all of the names I'd put on the list are there.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Yeah, I'd put Eli behind Flacco and possibly even Romo for that exact reason. He's just on there because his team won a ring more than three years ago.

[atljbo]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1303845019' post='670995']
Eli Manning throws almost 40 INTs in two combined Seasons and he's still in the Top 10.
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The only reason why i could see them doing that is because of the rings... IDK... Dude has been a int and fumbling machine

[hawkprey]

Well thank god Eli "lefty pass" Manning and Matty Hype could put us in our place before Josh "beat up on defenseless teams" could knock us off the tied for last spot.

[Corvus]

Its the first good list by them for these power rankings and IMO pretty accurate.

Although I found it extremely odd that Walker, the AFC North reporter, posted another blog debating that Flacco wasn't a top 10 QB but Matt Ryan was in his top 10. This comes a week after he represented Flacco in ESPN's hot button topic: who will win a Super Bowl sooner, Ryan or Flacco. Haha, too funny how quickly opinions change...

[berad]

Might be the first time since '96 that a Ravens' QB was ranked in the top 10 of anything.

[atljbo]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1303846272' post='671016']
Its the first good list by them for these power rankings and IMO pretty accurate.

Although I found it extremely odd that Walker, the AFC North reporter, posted another blog debating that Flacco wasn't a top 10 QB but Matt Ryan was in his top 10. This comes a week after he represented Flacco in ESPN's hot button topic: who will win a Super Bowl sooner, Ryan or Flacco. Haha, too funny how quickly opinions change...
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Thats the thing... I think they mostly feel like The Ravens will when the ship before the falcons... Ryan and Flacco were just the names.


The one i dont get is Eli Manning over Flacco... I think Eli should be in the top 10 but i would take Flacco over him.



[quote name='berad' timestamp='1303846472' post='671021']
Might be the first time since '96 that a Ravens' QB was ranked in the top 10 of anything.
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Thats what matters to me.. I dont care how high my QB is (i mean the higher the better) but if you have a top 10 QB... You have most important piece to compete for a championship year in and year out

[berad]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1303847125' post='671035']
Thats what matters to me.. I dont care how high my QB is (i mean the higher the better) but if you have a top 10 QB... You have most important piece to compete for a championship year in and year out
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True. While I may not agree with the rankings, as they are, I like the fact that Flacco is at least recognized. And thank goodness Freeman wasn't above him , I can deal with the others... for now...

[Ravensfan23]

I'd take Flacco, Schaub, and Romo over Eli. I think dude is living off his last name and that super bowl win. I just don't see greatness when i watch NYG games. Maybe it's just me.

[AwakenTheDemon]

When it comes to Top-anything lists on ESPN, the number of rings weights heavily upon their decision.

[Bullrush]

How is Flacco not 3 times the QB Romo is. And for that matter how is Eli, Ryan or Big Ben better than Flacco. Nevermind, this is ESPN.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1303898767' post='671411']
How is Flacco not 3 times the QB Romo is. And for that matter how is Eli, Ryan or Big Ben better than Flacco. Nevermind, this is ESPN.
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I love Flacco, but how in the world would Big Ben be AFTER Flacco? Purple shades much?

[3-4ravdef509]

Ben: Two rings, Flacco: none.
That being said, he's better than Ryan and Eli, tied with Romo probably at this point is fine, though seeing as Romo was injured most of this year, that's a hard evaluation.

[Ravensfan23]

The Flacco Ryan debate will be a lot like Brady Manning. Because Manning was a top pick and expected to be a great QB from day one, it'll be easy for people to say he's the best as long as he continues to put up numbers.

On the other hand, a guy like Brady had to earn his top status with wins and championships. Even to this day with all the success Brady has had in the playoffs, and Super Bowl there are still some people that would take Peyton Manning over him in a heartbeat because of the his perception.

The nation media looks at Peyton Manning and his 1 super bowl ring, unimpressive play history, and tendency to choke in big games, and they label him one of the greatest QBs of all times with no question. Hell Peyton might be the first player to go into the HOF the very next year after he retires.

But if you think back to about 3 years ago when the Pats were in the Super Bowl after having an perfect regular season, the national media was debating whether a win in the Super Bowl that season would put Brady in the same class as Montana and other greats. We're talking about a guy with 3 super bowl MWP, lead a perfect season, constantly comes up huge in big games, no matter the weather, and they actually had to debate weather he was among the all-time greats. Whereas with Manning he's already considered one of the all time greats if not the greatest QB to play the game.

Flacco can expect the same type of situation. He'll have to win numerous Super Bowl and MWPs or hope that Ryan just absolutely fall apart as a QB, before most people will admit or be willing to say he's better then Ryan. At best, if Ryan continues to have the type of success he is, Flacco will just be viewed as a another young QB in Ryan's class.

I think Flacco will have to start putting up Manning like numbers, with Brady like Super Bowl success, in order for people to really give him top billing over Ryan. Good thing for Joe is, he definitely has the potential to do it.

[atljbo]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1303907499' post='671428']
Ben: Two rings, Flacco: none.
That being said, he's better than Ryan and Eli, tied with Romo probably at this point is fine, though seeing as Romo was injured most of this year, that's a hard evaluation.
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I want to hear this arguement .. You cant use the playoff argument because Eli has actually won a Championship....Why would you put Flacco over Ryan ?

I would take Flacco over Eli also... But i would like to hear this arguement


[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1303914044' post='671462']
The Flacco Ryan debate will be a lot like Brady Manning. Because Manning was a top pick and expected to be a great QB from day one, it'll be easy for people to say he's the best as long as he continues to put up numbers.

On the other hand, a guy like Brady had to earn his top status with wins and championships. Even to this day with all the success Brady has had in the playoffs, and Super Bowl there are still some people that would take Peyton Manning over him in a heartbeat because of the his perception.

The nation media looks at Peyton Manning and his 1 super bowl ring, unimpressive play history, and tendency to choke in big games, and they label him one of the greatest QBs of all times with no question. Hell Peyton might be the first player to go into the HOF the very next year after he retires.

But if you think back to about 3 years ago when the Pats were in the Super Bowl after having an perfect regular season, the national media was debating whether a win in the Super Bowl that season would put Brady in the same class as Montana and other greats. We're talking about a guy with 3 super bowl MWP, lead a perfect season, constantly comes up huge in big games, no matter the weather, and they actually had to debate weather he was among the all-time greats. Whereas with Manning he's already considered one of the all time greats if not the greatest QB to play the game.

Flacco can expect the same type of situation. He'll have to win numerous Super Bowl and MWPs or hope that Ryan just absolutely fall apart as a QB, before most people will admit or be willing to say he's better then Ryan. At best, if Ryan continues to have the type of success he is, Flacco will just be viewed as a another young QB in Ryan's class.

I think Flacco will have to start putting up Manning like numbers, with Brady like Super Bowl success, in order for people to really give him top billing over Ryan. Good thing for Joe is, he definitely has the potential to do it.
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IDK about that... I think the Majority of ppl would say Brady is the top QB... I know i would... If not.. Manning and Brady are 1 and 1a

[Militant X 1]

Flacco is tied w/Romo? wow! Flacco has some work to do!

~Mili

[RivenHale]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1303926466' post='671514']
I want to hear this arguement .. You cant use the playoff argument because Eli has actually won a Championship....Why would you put Flacco over Ryan ?

I would take Flacco over Eli also... But i would like to hear this arguement

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Ohh, could we not do the Flacco/Ryan thing in this thread, at least?

[Bullrush]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1303907350' post='671426']
I love Flacco, but how in the world would Big Ben be AFTER Flacco? Purple shades much?
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Oh I forgot, Ben has more rings than Flacco. You're right. Larry Izzo is also the greatest linebacker in the history because he has more rings than Ray. Dilfer is also a better QB than Dan Marino obviously.

Ben sometimes is clutch, I'll give him that. If we had the same defense, the same type of game planning on offense and if our receivers would just make clutch plays once a year you wouldn't be wondering why I think Flacco is a better QB than Ben is. He's no different than Trent Dilfer in 2000. Manage a game, let your defense knock out the opposing offense and then you're free to move the ball on offense and pick up some garbage stats and throw the ball when people expect you to run it. And let's not forget the Steelers receivers are better at making clutch plays than anyone else in the league. It takes a QB and the receivers to make one clutch play happen. Our receivers don't hold their part of the deal. Watch the CCG from last season against the Steelers, watch how many times in key situations our receivers choked. Housh at the end of the game. Boldin in the endzone, drops a sure touchdown pass. Flacco would look better in that Steelers offense than Ben does. And Ben wouldn't look anywhere near as good as Flacco does if he were to play QB for us.

[RivenHale]

...no. Much as I hate to say it, Ben is an elite quarterback.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1303926466' post='671514']
I want to hear this arguement .. You cant use the playoff argument because Eli has actually won a Championship....Why would you put Flacco over Ryan ?

I would take Flacco over Eli also... But i would like to hear this arguement





IDK about that... I think the Majority of ppl would say Brady is the top QB... I know i would... If not.. [b]Manning and Brady are 1 and 1a[/b]
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My point exactly. What would make Manning 1a or 1. The guy is was surround by a ton of 1st round selections(until the last couple year) and never could get it done in the playoffs or big games. Meanwhile Brady has just as good of regular season numbers as Manning, definitely better playoff numbers, and for most of his career he's been passing the ball to guys who would barely pass as a #1 WR on a major high school team.

Yet most people can't find it within themselves to say Brady is far and away better then Manning. As if it's unwritten in stone that Manning has to be either #1 or at least 1a.

Now i don't want it to seem like I'm bashing Manning, because he is a great regular season QB, and he's probably the hardest working QB in the NFL. However i believe in giving people their just due, and i believe that Brady is far and away a overall better QB then Manning.

However because Peyton is the NFL's ultimate QB in a QB driven league is continues to get top billing over or at least is viewed as equal to Brady when in reality Brady is better. By numbers and big game performances.

Manning had what had to be the worse performance of any Elite QB during his Super Bowl run. Manning was down right terrible, he was an Int machine, and if it weren't for him playing 2 one dimensional offenses in the Chiefs and Ravens, he probably wouldn't have a ring to this day. His team put him on their backs in the playoffs that year, but because he's got a SB ring, he's vindicated. It's actually a joke to me.

I give the man his credit, but in my eyes he's a distant #2.

I knew my previous post would draw you out, but you gotta face facts, Matt Ryan is a young golden boy for the NFL. As long as he performs at a high level he'll always be considered a better QB then Flacco, regardless of what the numbers and hardware Flacco may collect would say. imo

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1303926466' post='671514']
I want to hear this arguement .. You cant use the playoff argument because Eli has actually won a Championship....Why would you put Flacco over Ryan ?

I would take Flacco over Eli also... But i would like to hear this arguement





IDK about that... I think the Majority of ppl would say Brady is the top QB... I know i would... If not.. Manning and Brady are 1 and 1a
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The "giants" won a championship. Eli doesn't play by himself.
And it's not a clear cut difference. They're about even. I only tend to rank him higher because he has exceeded expectations for 3 years in a weak offensive system. Ryan has put up similar numbers in a much more effective offensive system.
Also with better weapons all those years. Ryan is also much more the leader of his team, where Flacco is on training wheels and can't effectively lead with Lewis still playing.

Both great qbs, who will be at the top soon enough. Flacco has to prove he can beat the Steelers with Ben playing though, and Ryan needs to prove he can play well in a playoff game, and beat the league's top defenses. If you think Ryan is better, that's only natural because you're a fan. And when it comes down to it, there's no way of truly knowing who is better. I hope they both do well and lead their teams to a title (unless it's against each other ofcourse =P )

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='RivenHale' timestamp='1303948052' post='671768']
...no. Much as I hate to say it, Ben is an elite quarterback.
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True. People here sometimes get carried away with the purple kool-aid lol.
I think flacco will be better than Ben one day, but not currently. Ben's clearly got the edge. Flacco has to fix that Week 1.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1304013004' post='672166']
True. People here sometimes get carried away with the purple kool-aid lol.
I think flacco will be better than Ben one day, but not currently. Ben's clearly got the edge. Flacco has to fix that Week 1.
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Week 1 would definitely help, but that won't be fixed until Flacco can lead the Ravens pass the Steelers either late in the season with the division on the line or in the playoffs.

[RedFire]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1303946348' post='671755']
Oh I forgot, Ben has more rings than Flacco. You're right. Larry Izzo is also the greatest linebacker in the history because he has more rings than Ray. Dilfer is also a better QB than Dan Marino obviously.

Ben sometimes is clutch, I'll give him that. If we had the same defense, the same type of game planning on offense and if our receivers would just make clutch plays once a year you wouldn't be wondering why I think Flacco is a better QB than Ben is. He's no different than Trent Dilfer in 2000. Manage a game, let your defense knock out the opposing offense and then you're free to move the ball on offense and pick up some garbage stats and throw the ball when people expect you to run it. And let's not forget the Steelers receivers are better at making clutch plays than anyone else in the league. It takes a QB and the receivers to make one clutch play happen. Our receivers don't hold their part of the deal. Watch the CCG from last season against the Steelers, watch how many times in key situations our receivers choked. Housh at the end of the game. Boldin in the endzone, drops a sure touchdown pass. Flacco would look better in that Steelers offense than Ben does. And Ben wouldn't look anywhere near as good as Flacco does if he were to play QB for us.
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steelers had the worse line in da NFL for the last couple years. Big ben ability to run around and not get tackled was their offense. Flacco would have been on IR playing for the steelers.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1304026503' post='672305']
steelers had the worse line in da NFL for the last couple years. Big ben ability to run around and not get tackled was their offense. Flacco would have been on IR playing for the steelers.
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Flacco was sacked the 2nd most in the NFL with 40 times. Don't believe he missed a single game with an injury. He's not a little dude. He's solid and tough. Every bit as tough as Ben. As for who is better, Joe has more talent. Ben has more experience. At this point, Ben is better in the clutch more often than not, but, the Steelers also get an awful lot of lucky calls go their way that make Ben look better than he really is at that clutch stuff.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1303946348' post='671755']
Oh I forgot, Ben has more rings than Flacco. You're right. Larry Izzo is also the greatest linebacker in the history because he has more rings than Ray. Dilfer is also a better QB than Dan Marino obviously.

Ben sometimes is clutch, I'll give him that. If we had the same defense, the same type of game planning on offense and if our receivers would just make clutch plays once a year you wouldn't be wondering why I think Flacco is a better QB than Ben is. He's no different than Trent Dilfer in 2000. Manage a game, let your defense knock out the opposing offense and then you're free to move the ball on offense and pick up some garbage stats and throw the ball when people expect you to run it. And let's not forget the Steelers receivers are better at making clutch plays than anyone else in the league. It takes a QB and the receivers to make one clutch play happen. Our receivers don't hold their part of the deal. Watch the CCG from last season against the Steelers, watch how many times in key situations our receivers choked. Housh at the end of the game. Boldin in the endzone, drops a sure touchdown pass. Flacco would look better in that Steelers offense than Ben does. And Ben wouldn't look anywhere near as good as Flacco does if he were to play QB for us.
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Okay, clearly you took offense to my joking statment with you sarcastic first few sentences.
At THIS juncture of their careers, Ben is better.....really not much more to say.

[RedFire]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1304041437' post='672873']
Flacco was sacked the 2nd most in the NFL with 40 times. Don't believe he missed a single game with an injury. He's not a little dude. He's solid and tough. Every bit as tough as Ben. As for who is better, Joe has more talent. Ben has more experience. At this point, Ben is better in the clutch more often than not, but, the Steelers also get an awful lot of lucky calls go their way that make Ben look better than he really is at that clutch stuff.
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WRs ain't get open or flacco held on too long on ocaasion....so tht's why he got sacked 40times. Does your stat say how many where coverage sacks cuz noone got open?

steelers line was very porous and ben abilty to throw down Defensive ends with one hand kept them going. flacco ain't throwing a linemen to the ground...

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1304068627' post='673930']
WRs ain't get open or flacco held on too long on ocaasion....so tht's why he got sacked 40times. Does your stat say how many where coverage sacks cuz noone got open?

steelers line was very porous and ben abilty to throw down Defensive ends with one hand kept them going. flacco ain't throwing a linemen to the ground...
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Ben's just as guilty of holding onto the ball too long. Just saying. Regardless....
I love Flacco. He's not better than Ben yet. Period. Can we move on now?