Coach Cam's New Offensive Look

[RoflDogs]

our o line is going to be fine for many more years to come... like come on, we manhandled MIN who many agree gas the best D line in football

[march4superbowl]

I like the o-line the way we have it and I'm thrilled to have the starters intact for the opening game. Let's just pray Todd Heap has a great season and Dan Wilcox can overcome his toe/foot injury so we have those guys in the mix of things too.

[BloodRaven]

That Vikings game was won in the middle and most notably Jason Brown who is our ROCK, remember our backup OTs let in about 3-4 sacks.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='BAL_Hawk' post='61825' date='Aug 31 2008, 08:35 AM']Chris Chester is too small and weak. He is probably the most athletic lineman we have but he would get driven into the backfield every play. We drafted him in hope that he would bulk up, but it never really panned out.[/quote]

ive noticed him get pushed around a lil this preseason but ive also noticed how quick and nimble he is. i was just thinking about it and this idea poped into my head..... move him to TE!!!! he would be an excilent blocking TE!!! pass protection and runblocking all those screens it would work i tells ya think of him gettin on some secondary d mans case during a quick slant or a swing pass i think he has the speed and if we could have a lineman in the flat bam!!!! what do ya think someone call cam cam for me

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' post='61962' date='Sep 1 2008, 05:25 PM']ive noticed him get pushed around a lil this preseason but ive also noticed how quick and nimble he is. i was just thinking about it and this idea poped into my head..... move him to TE!!!! he would be an excilent blocking TE!!! pass protection and runblocking all those screens it would work i tells ya think of him gettin on some secondary d mans case during a quick slant or a swing pass i think he has the speed and if we could have a lineman in the flat bam!!!! what do ya think someone call cam cam for me [/quote]

He used to be a TE at Oklahoma and we were hoping he'd bulk up and get a lot stronger, but it has not panned out thus far...

[FerrariFan87]

OK, here is something fun we could do... predict the 1st play of the game on Offense for the Ravens!

I have a feeling that Cam and John will want to get Joe's feet wet early, so I say we will run a play-action (to hopefully Willis) and Joe will complete a short pass (5-6 yards) to get things going...

[PuRock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='62513' date='Sep 4 2008, 07:49 AM']OK, here is something fun we could do... predict the 1st play of the game on Offense for the Ravens!

I have a feeling that Cam and John will want to get Joe's feet wet early, so I say we will run a play-action (to hopefully Willis) and Joe will complete a short pass (5-6 yards) to get things going...[/quote]

Run, Ray, Run.

[FlacDog5]

Cam did a HORRIABLE job last season! But, Flacco will save him!

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='FlacDog5' post='62544' date='Sep 4 2008, 05:57 AM']Cam did a HORRIABLE job last season! But, Flacco will save him![/quote]

Its the DOLPHINS. How can you expect someone to just come in and work a miracle. Thats what our team was doing with Kyle Boller in a losing situation.

[Redreed]

[quote name='FlacDog5' post='62544' date='Sep 4 2008, 09:57 AM']Cam did a [b]HORRIABLE[/b] job last season! But, Flacco will save him![/quote]
Cam is a way better coach than you are a speller.

[FerrariFan87]

I just love how our "Jumbo" package features Lo-Neal and McClain... couldn't have come up with a better name when those two are in at the same time! That's OVER 500 LBs baby

[FerrariFan87]

1 game down, 15 to go, and boy was I excited yesterday! We haven't even seen anything close to what our offense is capable of this season. Once the deep routes are integrated along with other types of screens and trick plays, etc. we are going to be a force with which to be reckoned!

[FerrariFan87]

How would you like to see Coach Cam divide and conquer this week? By divide and conquer, I am referring to the distribution of carries among our 3 RBs and Lo-Neal. Also, with our running game being so strong, I think more play-action passes are in order (with screens as well) where the deep routes will be highlighted.

For me I would give Willis 18-20 touches (runs and passes), Rice I would give 10-15 touches, and McClain 10-12 touches with Lo-Neal getting 3-5 touches. I know that seems like a lot, but that's what we want, on the road especially. We need to control the clock once again and give Joe easy throws and not make him win it for us...

Your thoughts on Week 2's offensive game-plan...

[PuRock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='65154' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:27 AM']How would you like to see Coach Cam divide and conquer this week? By divide and conquer, I am referring to the distribution of carries among our 3 RBs and Lo-Neal. Also, with our running game being so strong, I think more play-action passes are in order (with screens as well) where the deep routes will be highlighted.

For me I would give Willis 18-20 touches (runs and passes), Rice I would give 10-15 touches, and McClain 10-12 touches with Lo-Neal getting 3-5 touches. I know that seems like a lot, but that's what we want, on the road especially. We need to control the clock once again and give Joe easy throws and not make him win it for us...

Your thoughts on Week 2's offensive game-plan...[/quote]

Our game plan will definitely revolve around the run game. The majority of our runs will be straight up the middle & outside handoffs to the right (Rice/McGahee), as well as brute force down the middle with McClain.

Unless we fall behind, we will not be focusing much on the passing game. They have good (if not great) DE's that will pressure Flacco. Look for a lot of screen passes to the left. The Texans will be sending the left LB on blitzes with Mario to overpower Gaither. We'll simply let them go, screen pass left.

And I wouldn't be suprised after running the ball to the right all game, that they try a QB bootleg to the left this game. Gaither will force Mario to the inside.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

I'm gonna start this off with a quote and then offer some suggestions then feel free st scrutinize my suggestions or come up with a couple of theories yourself

This quote comes from an article on how Cam Cam would have Terry shift so he was on the same side as Gaither

[POE]

[quote name='PuRock' post='65160' date='Sep 10 2008, 10:54 AM']Our game plan will definitely revolve around the run game. The majority of our runs will be straight up the middle & outside handoffs to the right (Rice/McGahee), as well as brute force down the middle with McClain.

Unless we fall behind, we will not be focusing much on the passing game. They have good (if not great) DE's that will pressure Flacco. Look for a lot of screen passes to the left. The Texans will be sending the left LB on blitzes with Mario to overpower Gaither. We'll simply let them go, screen pass left.

And I wouldn't be suprised after running the ball to the right all game, that they try a QB bootleg to the left this game. Gaither will force Mario to the inside.[/quote]

I watched the shortcut of the Pittsburgh/Houston game yesterday and noticed that most of the game they ran right at Mario Williams and it was very effective. I believe that some Draw Plays will be very effective too, so having a two back set could do wonders which should be very easy with the versatility of our RB's.

[PuRock]

[quote name='POE' post='65169' date='Sep 10 2008, 01:11 PM']I watched the shortcut of the Pittsburgh/Houston game yesterday and noticed that most of the game they ran right at Mario Williams and it was very effective. I believe that some Draw Plays will be very effective too, so having a two back set could do wonders which should be very easy with the versatility of our RB's.[/quote]

Your right, I love the two back-set for our current offense, because they are so versatile.

Steelers running to the left would make sense. Mario is more of a pass rusher, than he is a run-stopper. But Pittsburgh has Marvel Smith as their LT, who is one of the best run-support LTs. I'm not sure if Gaither would be as up to the task.
Nevertheless we should try, and see what combination works best for us, and exploit it.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' post='65165' date='Sep 10 2008, 11:20 AM']suggestion 3: the option, iknow im gonna catch alot of flack for this one but i think we, with troy smith in, have the ability to run the option. i mean why not, we scored on a double reverse. chester blocking week side in a TE position both our tackles (anderson and gaither)on the strong side blowing out a hole like a fire hose enema brown leaking out to the secondary yanda and grubbs sealing it off with chester inside shoot we could even have a second TE in there blocking and smith, mcclain, mcgahee(or really any combo of backs) run the option and a WR running a fade to the strong side just in case i think it would work[/quote]


This is the NFL, not College.

[akacrow]

The Texans have a great pass rusher in Mario Williams In the last game vs Cinci Cam had Terry go in motion to sure up the left side. IMO we should use the same tactic vs the Texans. I see a formation like this being implemented, Terry, Gaither, Grubbs, Brown, Yanda, Anderson. Six OL instead of five from time to time. IMO this would shut Williams down completely and give us a huge push off the OL.

IMO Cam Cameron is trying to instill the Ravens "Organized Chaos" mentality into the offense.

As for running McG 15 times, rice 12, ect.... The Game plan should never be that predictable we need to mix it up. I know Cam will use the best package/palyers for the right situation.

[Redreed]

[quote name='akacrow' post='65215' date='Sep 10 2008, 05:16 PM']The Texans have a great pass rusher in Mario Williams In the last game vs Cinci Cam had Terry go in motion to sure up the left side. IMO we should use the same tactic vs the Texans. I see a formation like this being implemented, Terry, Gaither, Grubbs, Brown, Yanda, Anderson. Six OL instead of five from time to time. IMO this would shut Williams down completely and give us a huge push off the OL.

IMO Cam Cameron is trying to instill the Ravens "Organized Chaos" mentality into the offense.

As for running McG 15 times, rice 12, ect.... The Game plan should never be that predictable we need to mix it up. I know Cam will use the best package/palyers for the right situation.[/quote]
This has always (well, last 8 years or so) been a big part of the Ravens running game. We frequently employ the unbalanced line.

[akacrow]

[quote name='Redreed' post='65225' date='Sep 10 2008, 05:33 PM']This has always (well, last 8 years or so) been a big part of the Ravens running game. We frequently employ the unbalanced line.[/quote]

I agree we have used a extra OL on goal line situations. But a OT in motion not so much or as a staple in our offense. When Our OL consisted of J.O., Mule, Flynn, Bennie and Zeus there was zero motion along the OL. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Jamal never had blocking in the secondary except from a full back, Ricard and later Mughelli and a free TE from time to time.

The coaching style on offense was typically very vanilla. Terry was only used as a backup at LT and was not even considered as a starter on the OL. This is a result of coaching style where a fresh backup was valued over starting the best five on OL. Our defensive players also played more snaps in the past then I expect under the new coaching philosophy.

[Redreed]

[quote name='akacrow' post='65262' date='Sep 10 2008, 06:17 PM']I agree we have used a extra OL on goal line situations. But a OT in motion not so much or as a staple in our offense. When Our OL consisted of J.O., Mule, Flynn, Bennie and Zeus there was zero motion along the OL. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Jamal never had blocking in the secondary except from a full back, Ricard and later Mughelli and a free TE from time to time.

The coaching style on offense was typically very vanilla. Terry was only used as a backup at LT and was not even considered as a starter on the OL. This is a result of coaching style where a fresh backup was valued over starting the best five on OL. Our defensive players also played more snaps in the past then I expect under the new coaching philosophy.[/quote]
I wish I could link a vid about this I found on BR.com like 2 years ago. Neuheisel was explaining the concept of an unbalanced line, and showing vids and clips about how the Ravens are one of the only teams in the NFL that have kept the concept and practice of the unbalanced line alive. I can't so, all I can do is ask that you read up somewhere else about it, but the Ravens use unbalanced line looks every year, and have for quite some time.

[akacrow]

I agree that we did use an unbalanced line but not with a OT in motion like a TE and was mostly used in goal line situations. Neuheisel came to bmore in 2005 after Zeus and Bennie and we had started a change of OL philosophy. Neuheisel was a great OC. IMO he was held back in bmore and should have had control of the Offense.

I don't remember Zeus being in motion except to fall forward or a commit personal foul. I may be wrong, wont be the first time.

I do like what I have seen so far out of Cam and expect to see a less conservative offense as the season (Flacco) progresses.

[FerrariFan87]

The great thing about Week 1 is that we still haven't come close to seeing what Cam has in store for defenses across the league, as Joe continues to learn new sets of plays! I am sooooo ready for Sunday already! Why does the game have to be at 4?!

[akacrow]

NFL Networks Playbook AFC has a good analysis of the differences between the new Ravens offense and the previous offense. It comes on again at 1am. The show features Heap and Mason and how they view the new offense. I am recording the program and will post a "transcript".

[Raven07]

a more adverse and more versitle,athletic Offensive front is what (i think) the Ravens are aiming towards with the way thingd are currently going and what not. and judging by the way our players are seemingly really geling together out there as a complete team and seeing how Cameron is able to utilize each and every single players strength's and weaknesses, then build the game plan(s) around those simple, yet complex, facts.

All the hard work and dedication is really starting to pay off come gameday, and we as fans of this great organization, can clearly see a maturity and a definate growth from last season under the Billick, to now with Cameron and Harbaugh. The players are up-beat about the opportunities that are or can be presented to this team, and i feel, that the Players all feel a sense of accomplishment and they had done/ are in the process of.....making this team, better and better as time goes on.

A New lift is what this team and its players definately needed, last year plays were somewhat lost, noone really knew what they were doing at times, coupled along with the seemingly never ending injury fest that settled in Ravens Camp. Last year was by far, one to learn from and build motivation and use later on in the future. A new Lift on Offense really has everyone talking about the possibilities this team can have and the places this team can go. If we are able to put things together the right way and really execute the plays and utilize the trickery (as Cam previewed in last weeks game) then i can honestly say, who's to say that we wont do big big things this year, who's to say anything otherwise. All we can do now is live in the moment and build for the future.

[FerrariFan87]

How does everyone think Willis will be utilized in the offense? I am not sure how he will be able to run this offense as effectively as he should without the reps. I foresee us breaking Willis in nice and easy with maybe 15-20 touches, with nothing too fancy. It should be fun to watch all our boys back there tearing it up!

[akacrow]

[quote name='akacrow' post='65675' date='Sep 11 2008, 11:04 PM']NFL Networks Playbook AFC has a good analysis of the differences between the new Ravens offense and the previous offense. It comes on again at 1am. The show features Heap and Mason and how they view the new offense. I am recording the program and will post a "transcript".[/quote]

NFL. Com has the program under NFL Network, Playbook.

[FerrariFan87]

Sorry to bring up this name again, but after his Week 2 performance, if there is any chance the Ravens could acquire Anquan Boldin, we need to pull the trigger. The man is unstoppable, and yes, Coach Cameron could integrate him nicely into this offense, trust me.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='66770' date='Sep 17 2008, 07:56 PM']Sorry to bring up this name again, but after his Week 2 performance, if there is any chance the Ravens could acquire Anquan Boldin, we need to pull the trigger. The man is unstoppable, and yes, Coach Cameron could integrate him nicely into this offense, trust me.[/quote]

Well Arizona has said they are not going to trade him and now is not the time you'd want to trade for him, because the Cards will have a huge asking price for him; it would be better to try and grab him after a bad week or something (if at all) so that the asking price will come down some.