Randy Moss.

[TDubbs]

Let me start by saying this, Ive never been a fan of Randys character or the way he has handled himself off the field it really rubs me the wrong way. However, there is no denying the skill set he can bring to an offense.

Hes a competitor to say the least though, his lash outs have come because he wants to win so badly. If you want a Wideout who can blow the top off the coverage, get deep, and jump for the ball is there anyone better? Especially the way Joe can throw that deep ball. Think of the space he could open up for Anquan and Ray Rice.

Hes closer to the end of his career while hes stayed fairly healthy, still commands the double coverage. Id say he has 1-2 good years left. Hes had an excellent statistical career, he wants to win a superbowl, only that way he could end up in the HOF.

I think one of the few teams he could have success with would be the Ravens. Our leadership group is the strongest in the Nfl. He would not be the top star on the team. The presence and leadership of RAY LEWIS will keep this guy in check.

I think its a low risk, HIGH reward free agency move that could put us over the top. Also allowing us to use those first 2 draft choices on other positions with higher value for the picks.

Its just an idea, Any thoughts?

[Clutch Ravens]

I'd rather not have a starting receiver set where the youngest receiver is 30 going on 31.

I'm just not sure how much Randy "9 Route" Moss could help us at this point in his career.

[Romo Ravens]

I'd rather we draft a talented rookie WR and actually START him then have Moss be the number two. This is coming from someone who's had a man crush on Moss forever.

[TDubbs]

Fair point about the age, but he still has tread left on the tire . His presence Allows Boldin to do what he does best, short quick routes giving him space for YAC. Give Rice that extra bit of space and he will make plays all day.

[bpytnjr58]

He brings too much baggage with him...make no mistake he is an awsome receiver but it is not worth the risk of team chemistry.

[Ed_Reed20]

Considering two teams in the same season felt what Moss brought on the field wasn't enough to put up with what he did off it and he did absolutely nothing on the third team, I'd say he isn't worth signing.

As others have said, the WR corps needs youth, not another aging veteran.

[ryan23945]

randy moss will go the hof even if he doesnt win a super bowl, if he doesnt there is something wrong with this league.

jerry rice>randy moss, imo

ive always been a big fan of randy

[codizzle]

Did u watch football last year.. Id rather have david reed out there in a heartbeat

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='TDubbs' timestamp='1301075044' post='658660']
Let me start by saying this, Ive never been a fan of Randys character or the way he has handled himself off the field it really rubs me the wrong way. However, there is no denying the skill set he can bring to an offense.

Hes a competitor to say the least though, his lash outs have come because he wants to win so badly. If you want a Wideout who can blow the top off the coverage, get deep, and jump for the ball is there anyone better? Especially the way Joe can throw that deep ball. Think of the space he could open up for Anquan and Ray Rice.

Hes closer to the end of his career while hes stayed fairly healthy, still commands the double coverage. Id say he has 1-2 good years left. Hes had an excellent statistical career, he wants to win a superbowl, only that way he could end up in the HOF.

I think one of the few teams he could have success with would be the Ravens. Our leadership group is the strongest in the Nfl. He would not be the top star on the team. The presence and leadership of RAY LEWIS will keep this guy in check.

I think its a low risk, HIGH reward free agency move that could put us over the top. Also allowing us to use those first 2 draft choices on other positions with higher value for the picks.

Its just an idea, Any thoughts?
[/quote]

I really don't think he has anything left, and he takes too many plays off. Definitely doesn't play like a Raven. Don't get me wrong, in my opinion Randy is physically the greatest, most gifted wide receiver ever to play the game. But there is a reason that guys like Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, and Steve Largent are always in the GOAT conversation, but Randy isn't. And this isn't the Randy of 2007; he's 34 and slowing down.

[ed.s52]

If for some reason we can not get a starting caliber reciever in the draft than I would be all for adding Moss to the group.

He may have off the field issues but if he wants a job he should be at least a little humbled by the recent occurences. Thats just common sense, unless he is either stupid or not concerned with job security.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1301171227' post='659062']
Did u watch football last year.. Id rather have david reed out there in a heartbeat
[/quote]

Exactly. There's a reason he got cut twice last year. The Patriots got better without him. The Titans got worse after he arrived.

[theFRANCHISE]

Speaking to Randy Moss' off-field issues, I don't think he's the same locker room cancer that Terrell Owens was in the past. While Moss may still be a diva today, I can excuse diva behavior as long as it doesn't ruin locker room chemistry. I can't point to a single situation where Moss' inconsistent effort has rubbed off on his teammates or caused coaches to get fired.

That said, Moss has nothing left in his tank. His declining skills combined with his declining motivation would make him an unattractive prospect, even if he came for the veteran minimum. Moss isn't a proven commodity anymore.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1301248835' post='659247']
Speaking to Randy Moss' off-field issues, I don't think he's the same locker room cancer that Terrell Owens was in the past. While Moss may still be a diva today, I can excuse diva behavior as long as it doesn't ruin locker room chemistry. I can't point to a single situation where Moss' inconsistent effort has rubbed off on his teammates or caused coaches to get fired.

That said, Moss has nothing left in his tank. His declining skills combined with his declining motivation would make him an unattractive prospect, even if he came for the veteran minimum. Moss isn't a proven commodity anymore.
[/quote]

I wish Moss had a ring... I think he's driven to get one at this point of his career, and going back to the Pats gives him as good a chance as any... as for the Ravens, I would have liked Moss a few years ago, but we need to get young quickly and not bring in another aging vet, even one as talented as Moss.

[TDubbs]

I think at this point, hes motivated by getting that ring. A player with his skills and motivation could do scary things. If we could pick him up, and use our first 3 picks on BPA, pick up some def and o line, it would not be such a bad thing. His diva act could never happen on this team, we have the leaders to tone him down

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='YYZ66' timestamp='1301242783' post='659232']
Exactly. There's a reason he got cut twice last year. The Patriots got better without him. The Titans got worse after he arrived.
[/quote]

Because the Pats won the SB and Moss played every snap for the Titans. Please.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TDubbs' timestamp='1301261385' post='659295']
I think at this point, hes motivated by getting that ring. A player with his skills and motivation could do scary things. If we could pick him up, and use our first 3 picks on BPA, pick up some def and o line, it would not be such a bad thing. His diva act could never happen on this team, we have the leaders to tone him down
[/quote]

Motivation didn't stop Moss from talking his way off two teams last season. And while he's still capable of getting behind DBs, his skills have eroded.

Moss has never run a diverse route tree, even during his prime. Teams know he's more than likely going to go deep and not only the deep ball relatively easy to defend, it puts pressure on the offense Randy plays for because 9 routes are really the only way they can get him the ball. Moss wasn't unproductive at Tennessee simply because of a lack of major snaps. He's no longer an efficient player.

To your final point, how do you know he wouldn't be a diva on the Ravens? The presence of Ray alone wouldn't stop him getting angry on the sidelines or mouthing off when microphones are shoved in his face post-game.

The need for younger play-makers at WR can't be stressed enough. Mason has already indicated he wants to return and Boldin is obviously under contract. Those two will demand targets. I'd rather the WRs behind them be Reed and a rookie, rather than a third, declining WR over 30, who has no long-term future with the team.

[TDubbs]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1301270175' post='659363']
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My thoughts were this. We need a downfield threat to blow the top of coverages and be that big target for Joes arm. Mason & Boldin are the best there is at moving the chains, catching those out routes. Plain and simple we need to upgrade the speed to maximize their talents. Id like to see DReed and Donte out there running more routes, but they are not proven yet, injuries and opportunity influenced.

The way I envision Oz drafting, assuming he does not trade any picks. At 26- If a standout O-Line falls that would be our best value, same goes to any standout Dline BPA. At 58- With the depth of talent, best bet would be a lb,dt, or de, depends whats taken 1st rnd. Past that Im just not confident that there is a wideout that can come in and make an impact right away.

Every rock has to be unturned, Moss is just a thought. Theres many paths we can go to change the WrCorps but its obvious we need speed. Moss has never had any major injuries and has those coveted jump ball skills. Low risk chance, incentive laden contract, he could come into camp and want to win. An experienced play making veteran with those insane hands

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1301079105' post='658699']
randy moss will go the hof even if he doesnt win a super bowl, if he doesnt there is something wrong with this league.

[B]jerry rice>randy moss, imo[/b]

ive always been a big fan of randy
[/quote]
Uh, that's everyones opinion!

[ryan23945]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1301283819' post='659406']
Uh, that's everyones opinion!
[/quote]
i think there is a few ppl who would argue moss isnt the 2nd best all time

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TDubbs' timestamp='1301281129' post='659401']
My thoughts were this. We need a downfield threat to blow the top of coverages and be that big target for Joes arm. Mason & Boldin are the best there is at moving the chains, catching those out routes. Plain and simple we need to upgrade the speed to maximize their talents. Id like to see DReed and Donte out there running more routes, but they are not proven yet, injuries and opportunity influenced.

The way I envision Oz drafting, assuming he does not trade any picks. At 26- If a standout O-Line falls that would be our best value, same goes to any standout Dline BPA. At 58- With the depth of talent, best bet would be a lb,dt, or de, depends whats taken 1st rnd. Past that Im just not confident that there is a wideout that can come in and make an impact right away.

Every rock has to be unturned, Moss is just a thought. Theres many paths we can go to change the WrCorps but its obvious we need speed. Moss has never had any major injuries and has those coveted jump ball skills. Low risk chance, incentive laden contract, he could come into camp and want to win. An experienced play making veteran with those insane hands
[/quote]

We'll see how the draft shakes out but the organization has made it pretty clear they want to get younger and faster at the WR position.

You may not be confident a WR beyond the highest-rated ones can make an immediate impact but it happens around the league every season. Last season, it was Mike Williams and Jacoby Ford, and Emmanuel Sanders became a key player for the Steelers later in the season. The year before, it was Mike Wallace and Johnny Knox. In '08, it was Eddie Royal.

Signing Moss would not only take targets away from Reed, it would lessen the chances of a young WR making an impact.

Also, I don't see how signing him can be considered a "low-risk" move with how volatile he is.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1301286594' post='659420']
Signing Moss would not only take targets away from Reed, it would lessen the chances of a young WR making an impact.

Also, I don't see how signing him can be considered a "low-risk" move with how volatile he is.
[/quote]
I don't think Randy Moss is such a volatile character off the field, but he's still a diva. That's not as big of a detriment in my book. However, character issues aside, my biggest issue with signing Moss would be the roster spot he'd occupy over a younger player trying to prove himself. Consider the revolving door at OL as well as the ongoing auditions for the future heir to Ray Lewis' spot, in addition to the inconsistency in the pass-rushing department. This team needs to explore all young options in several areas, and signing a declining veteran won't help the cause.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1301285958' post='659417']
i think there is a few ppl who would argue moss isnt the 2nd best all time
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he was just referring to the meaning that Rice is better than Moss. If it was intended to mean Moss is the second best all time, it should look like this. Rice>Moss>everyone else


In response to what ER20 said, those recievers are a very slim portion, I can point out numerous examples of recievers who werent the cream of the crop that didnt pan out, at least not right away, which would likely be at least quadruple the number of examples you pointed out. The chances that a later round prospect can be a solid contributer to us right away aren't very likely, and drafting a 4th round ish reciever and throwing him into the starting lineup is just not smart.

And I'd still say signing him to a vet minimum with incentives is very low risk considering we can cut him any time we please, but it would only make sense if we werent able to get a solid, speedy prospect at the WR position in the draft.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1301288151' post='659421']
[b]I don't think Randy Moss is such a volatile character off the field, but he's still a diva.[/b] That's not as big of a detriment in my book. However, character issues aside, my biggest issue with signing Moss would be the roster spot he'd occupy over a younger player trying to prove himself. Consider the revolving door at OL as well as the ongoing auditions for the future heir to Ray Lewis' spot, in addition to the inconsistency in the pass-rushing department. This team needs to explore all young options in several areas, and signing a declining veteran won't help the cause.
[/quote]

I should have specified. I meant volatile on the field, specifically the sidelines and in the locker room.

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1301288509' post='659423']
In response to what ER20 said, those recievers are a very slim portion, I can point out numerous examples of recievers who werent the cream of the crop that didnt pan out, at least not right away, which would likely be at least quadruple the number of examples you pointed out. The chances that a later round prospect can be a solid contributer to us right away aren't very likely, and drafting a 4th round ish reciever and throwing him into the starting lineup is just not smart.

And I'd still say signing him to a vet minimum with incentives is very low risk considering we can cut him any time we please, but it would only make sense if we werent able to get a solid, speedy prospect at the WR position in the draft.
[/quote]

Those examples I produced obviously aren't the norm but that a few examples occur every season is proof that it does happen with some frequency.

Talking specifically about the Ravens right now, no WR would be named a starter with Q and Mason on the roster. He'd likely compete with Reed for snaps as the #3 WR but if he was talented enough and made the most of his limited opportunities, he would see more targets as the season progressed.

[TDubbs]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1301341057' post='659576']

[/quote]

I really like what David Reed can bring to the table. He is fast, shows good vision and ball skills. He needs to prove he can be a solid starter though and play a whole season injury free or even contribute to the offense.

I understand the need to go younger and faster at the position, but is that what is really going to push us over the edge to win a trophy. It is essential to our future success to find that WR to grow with big Joe. With a piece or 2 however, we are a dangerous offense.

I feel we need that instant impact from a wideout this season. Aside from Julio,Green and possibly Torrey Smith we might not get that this year. There defenitely has been a precedent set in getting impact players later on, and i have full trust in our department to find that talent we are the best.

Plain and simple i want to see Ray hoist that Lombardi again, and Reed for the first time. We have a short window for that however, we have to go big or go home. Im not saying Moss is our saving grace by any means. I hope that his recent experiences have humbled him, maybe embarrassed him a bit. I think he always thought he was untouchable. Boldin and Mason would continue to be our 1 and 2 respectively. Moss could come in, run those 9s and really stretch those defenses for Q and Mase to tear up the inside.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TDubbs' timestamp='1301349225' post='659632']
I really like what David Reed can bring to the table. He is fast, shows good vision and ball skills. He needs to prove he can be a solid starter though and play a whole season injury free or even contribute to the offense.

[b]I understand the need to go younger and faster at the position, but is that what is really going to push us over the edge to win a trophy[/b]. It is essential to our future success to find that WR to grow with big Joe. With a piece or 2 however, we are a dangerous offense.

I feel we need that instant impact from a wideout this season. Aside from Julio,Green and possibly Torrey Smith we might not get that this year. There defenitely has been a precedent set in getting impact players later on, and i have full trust in our department to find that talent we are the best.

Plain and simple i want to see Ray hoist that Lombardi again, and Reed for the first time. We have a short window for that however, we have to go big or go home. Im not saying Moss is our saving grace by any means[b]. I hope that his recent experiences have humbled him, maybe embarrassed him a bit. I think he always thought he was untouchable.[/b] Boldin and Mason would continue to be our 1 and 2 respectively. Moss could come in, run those 9s and really stretch those defenses for Q and Mase to tear up the inside.
[/quote]

That obviously can't be determined for sure but I'd rather have a young, explosive WR who actually has a future with this team.

Being shipped off to Oakland and floundering there and then getting traded by the Patriots mid-season a few years later didn't seem to humble Moss much. He still acted like he was untouchable as a Viking last season with his tirade about the meals.

Regardless, we can go back and forth forever. I highly doubt the Ravens sign Moss when free agency begins.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1301285958' post='659417']
i think there is a few ppl who would argue moss isnt the 2nd best all time
[/quote]
Agreed.....that's not what was said, though. Nor was it what I quoted.

[Hjulmann]

Moss is not the best at his position. He's good, but not THAT good.

[SteelerEmpire]

Would not be surprised if this guy ended up on dallas...