Tiki Is Back!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299622477' post='650605']
What has he EVER done in the NFL? Nothing.
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He has roughly 500 less rushing yards than Barber, 3 more total TDs and is still considered one of the best pass-blocking RBs in the league. Yep. He's done [i]nothing[/i] alright.

[ryan23945]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1299613328' post='650454']
[color="#0000FF"][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/tiki-barber-plans-to-end-his-retirement/"]Wow[/url][/color]... he must have been plenty jealous when the Giants got a SB win the year after he retired. I, for one, found it hilarious - especially after he spent all that time bashing his former team.
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haha ya that was classic, barber has no class, bashes manning big time then he leads them to a SB, awesome

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1299622747' post='650609']
He has roughly 500 less rushing yards than Barber, 3 more total TDs and is still considered one of the best pass-blocking RBs in the league. Yep. He's done [i]nothing[/i] alright.
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What games has he ever changed??? Name ONE! You ALWAYS want to start a damn argument. Well, come on brain child. Name a game. Preferably a playoff game.

All you have is Stats, stats, stats. Being good at pass blocking as a RB is a requirement. Being "one of the best" is nice, but not why you field a guy.

[thewarden86]

OT - I'm about to fire up the ignore feature. Sick and tired of the SAME person who's sole purpose in life is to play the Devils' Advocate.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299622354' post='650601']
based on what???

Tiki left at the top of his game. Willis hasn't done squat IMO.

No one is comparing him to Rice. Tiki will be a back up/3rd down back. Rice is a starter, but you can say that about a lot of players: 25 year old this one > 35 year old that one. You're not really saying anything there. But at the same time, there are going to be exceptions.

Right now, I would put my $$ on 35 year old Tiki over Willis McGahee of any age.
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I will never go out on a limb and assume that someone who hasn't played in over four years is better right now than someone who has a nose for the endzone, yet a very limited role on his team. I'd have to actually watch someone in their mid to upper 30s just hop right on back into the league after four years off and succeed instantly before I believe it can be done.

Willis hasn't done squat is a stretch. I don't like to live in the past, but he did have 12 rushing TDs and 2 receiving in 09 despite only having 109 rushing attempts. He was 8th in the league in rushing back in 07 with over 1200 yards. Plus he's scored numerous TDs against the Steelers throughout his time in Baltimore.

Plus it doesn't matter how old this person is or how old that one is. So what if Rice doesn't live to to Tiki's career numbers, which we don't know for a fact will happen. All that matters is right now. And why would the Ravens even sign him in the first place?

[-Truth-]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299622397' post='650602']
His yearly numbers and his running style. Plus our division. It's not mean to be a knock on him.
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I sort of understand where you're coming from. But I still can't agree. In a year with an inconsistent OL, Rice still amassed nearly 1,800 yards. Since becoming our starting RB, he's averaged over 1,900 yards from scrimmage. Now is this a definite indication of the what's to come? No, anything can happen in the NFL. But given his current average, 5 more years will give him near identical numbers. That doesn't seem unreasonable. He's been a workhorse since College, and has been able to avoid the injury bug. I just haven't seen any clear indication that he won't, "come close."

[thewarden86]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1299623396' post='650623']
I will never go out on a limb and assume that someone who hasn't played in over four years is better right now than someone who has a nose for the endzone, yet a very limited role on his team. I'd have to actually watch someone in their mid to upper 30s just hop right on back into the league after four years off and succeed instantly before I believe it can be done.

Willis hasn't done squat is a stretch. I don't like to live in the past, but he did have 12 rushing TDs and 2 receiving in 09 despite only having 109 rushing attempts. He was 8th in the league in rushing back in 07 with over 1200 yards. Plus he's scored numerous TDs against the Steelers throughout his time in Baltimore.

Plus it doesn't matter how old this person is or how old that one is. So what if Rice doesn't live to to Tiki's career numbers, which we don't know for a fact will happen. All that matters is right now. And [b]why would the Ravens even sign him in the first place?[/b]
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To take over Mcgahee's role.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299623180' post='650618']
What games has he ever changed??? Name ONE! You ALWAYS want to start a damn argument. Well, come on brain child. Name a game. Preferably a playoff game.

All you have is Stats, stats, stats. Being good at pass blocking as a RB is a requirement. Being "one of the best" is nice, but not why you field a guy.
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He's changed a good number of games he's played in. A 64-yard TD run against the Bucs on his first carry as a Redskin, in a game they won 16-10 comes to mind. He also scored a TD against them in the play-offs in '06 and the team won 17-10.

He obviously wasn't as successful as Barber, partly because the teams he was one were never as good but to say he didn't do anything in his career is false.

Just because my opinion frequently differs from yours or anyone else's doesn't mean I'm playing devil's advocate. If it troubles you so, perhaps another forum would make you feel better.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299623848' post='650631']
To take over Mcgahee's role.
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I had a feeling you'd say that but I still don't see it happening. Like I said, someone who we know for a fact can block for our QB time and again would be the primary thing to look for in a backup on this team imo. If not, I'd have us look to the later rounds in the draft to find a RB.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1299623949' post='650633']
He's changed a good number of games he's played in. A 64-yard TD run against the Bucs on his first carry as a Redskin, in a game they won 16-10 comes to mind. He also scored a TD against them in the play-offs in '06 and the team won 17-10.

He obviously wasn't as successful as Barber, partly because the teams he was one were never as good but to say he didn't do anything in his career is false.

Just because my opinion frequently differs from yours or anyone else's doesn't mean I'm playing devil's advocate. If it troubles you so, perhaps another forum would make you feel better.
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"Comes to mind" my butt. Took you a good 20 minutes to google that story. You THINK you're a know it all, but you're not. Portis, despite his career numbers, has largely been a non-factor to opposing teams. And most recently, a non-factor to his own team.

You're opinion or my opinion have little to do with it. And it's not always me you're disagreeing with. But it IS always someone.

Nah, I'm staying right here D.A. and rather than have it trouble me any longer, consider yourself ignored.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1299624423' post='650638']
I had a feeling you'd say that but I still don't see it happening. Like I said, someone who we know for a fact can block for our QB time and again would be the primary thing to look for in a backup on this team imo. If not, I'd have us look to the later rounds in the draft to find a RB.
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Well, that was my initial feeling. I think he's a good fit. Not sure why no one thinks he can block. He played in every situation and the only knock on him was fumbling, which was fixed. When it comes to dumping it off to a guy who can get to the sticks, Tiki was among the best. Anyway, the Ravens aren't the only team who could use him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299624652' post='650639']
"Comes to mind" my butt. Took you a good 20 minutes to google that story. You THINK you're a know it all, but you're not. Portis, despite his career numbers, has largely been a non-factor to opposing teams. And most recently, a non-factor to his own team.

You're opinion or my opinion have little to do with it. And it's not always me you're disagreeing with. But it IS always someone.

Nah, I'm staying right here D.A. and rather than have it trouble me any longer, consider yourself ignored.
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I was on other forum sections and that's why I didn't respond immediately. I clearly remember Portis' first carry as a Redskin and the play-off game against TB for a number of reasons.

I'm not too sure how a player with his resume can be a "non-factor" but everyone's entitled to their opinion. What can't be denied is he's actually done [i]something[/i] in his career.

And what of it? This is a forum. I don't break the code of conduct when I disagree with people, so there shouldn't be an issue.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299624827' post='650640']
Well, that was my initial feeling. I think he's a good fit. Not sure why no one thinks he can block. He played in every situation and the only knock on him was fumbling, which was fixed. When it comes to dumping it off to a guy who can get to the sticks, Tiki was among the best. Anyway, [b]the Ravens aren't the only team who could use him.[/b][/quote]
All the more reason as to why we probably won't get him.

[JO_75]

This thread has turned into a who's better thread between Tiki and Willis? Wow... the Ravens aren't going to sign him, plain and simple. End of Discussion and back to who actually may sign Tiki.

[-Truth-]

What exactly are we arguing about Portis and Barber? What they accomplished with their teams? They both won 0 Super Bowls. Obviously Tiki's situation puts him in a negative light because they won the SB the year following his retirement. In their best 7 year stretches, they both amassed over 9,000 rushing yards. Barber definitely outshined Portis in the Postseason. But both of their teams were non-factors after the Regular Season, as the Giants went 2-5 in the Playoffs during Tiki's career and the Redskins were 1-2 amidst Portis'. Personally, I like Barber as the better RB, but it's not as if Portis was some random and inept player.

[BloodRaven]

His wife wasn't just pregnant, she had twins.

TWINS.

[Free Agent]

It would be cool to see him go to the Bucs and play with his brother, Ronde.

[ravensdfan]

I don't care if Portis or Barber is better. Didn't like Barber's off field antics but did like him as a player. No, we don't need him here. Odds are given the latest from McGahee's agent that he won't be around, but I'd rather us go younger not older. A vet is fine but not a 36 yr old vet. Do we want to be looking again next season to fill this role? I say no to Barber as a Raven. I'm sure there are teams out there that will be willing to take a chance on him. Sure we'll get the chance to see what he still has left.

[BloodRaven]

Speaking of old running backs did anyone see 49 year old Herschel Walker's MMA fight two months ago?

[img]http://mmavalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/herschel-walker-MMA.jpg[/img]

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1299630527' post='650713']
I don't care if Portis or Barber is better. Didn't like Barber's off field antics but did like him as a player. No, we don't need him here. Odds are given the latest from McGahee's agent that he won't be around, but I'd rather us go younger not older. A vet is fine but not a 36 yr old vet. Do we want to be looking again next season to fill this role? I say no to Barber as a Raven. I'm sure there are teams out there that will be willing to take a chance on him. Sure we'll get the chance to see what he still has left.
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Brilliant post

[fistfullwales]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1299626630' post='650659']
This thread has turned into a who's better thread between Tiki and Willis? Wow... the Ravens aren't going to sign him, plain and simple. End of Discussion and back to who actually may sign Tiki.
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Thats exactly why I posted on "Other NFL Teams" board, haha.

[FerrariFan87]

Who wants a 36 year-old RB who has been out of the league for 4 years? I can maybe see Tampa Bay taking a chance on him considering his brother Ronde is there, but that's about it... maybe he'll surprise me?

[-Truth-]

For some reason, I see Miami drafting an RB early and bringing in Barber as a spell back.

[Alexir]

Why the heck did barber retire 4 years ago...? If he didn't wanna be with the Giants he could of just asked for a trade/release.

Anyways, I rather have CP than Barber. But I rather just put Steele and Parmele back there more than anything. No point in wasting money if Rice is gonna get 90% of carries.

[fistfullwales]

Giants have said that once a CBA is reached they will release Tiki.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1299633194' post='650734']
Speaking of old running backs did anyone see 49 year old Herschel Walker's MMA fight two months ago?

[img]http://mmavalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/herschel-walker-MMA.jpg[/img]
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Theres no way the story of him only doing push ups and sit ups to stay in shape is true lol

[Bltravens]

There can't seriously be people wanting Barber here can there?

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1299695727' post='650959']
There can't seriously be people wanting Barber here can there?
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That was my initial reaction after scrolling through the conversation. If it were up to the fans there wouldn't be a free agency, any player released by another team automatically gets signed to the Ravens. How do we afford this? Cut McGahee.

But seriously, I can't think of a single running back who had their best years after hitting the 30 year old wall but then again there haven't been any that have come back from a 4 year absence. Signing Barber at 36 may be an option for a team that's dismally thin at RB, he's definitely not going to take the majority of the snaps and if you want him to be a second down or goal line back there are many others out there that are so much better (and younger).

Even if McClain and McGahee aren't with the Ravens next year (unlikely) we still have a young Parmele to test out. I would rather have him take snaps and actually progress as a player over wasting them on Barber who is not going to get better with more years and will probably only be around for one season.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1299703060' post='651017']
That was my initial reaction after scrolling through the conversation. If it were up to the fans there wouldn't be a free agency, any player released by another team automatically gets signed to the Ravens. How do we afford this? Cut McGahee.

But seriously, [b]I can't think of a single running back who had their best years after hitting the 30 year old wall[/b] but then again there haven't been any that have come back from a 4 year absence. Signing Barber at 36 may be an option for a team that's dismally thin at RB, he's definitely not going to take the majority of the snaps and if you want him to be a second down or goal line back there are many others out there that are so much better (and younger).

Even if McClain and McGahee aren't with the Ravens next year (unlikely) we still have a young Parmele to test out. I would rather have him take snaps and actually progress as a player over wasting them on Barber who is not going to get better with more years and will probably only be around for one season.
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Priest Holmes?

[Shawn`]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1299703393' post='651020']
Priest Holmes?
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Turned 30 in 2003, had a great year in terms of TDs and rushing yards but after that he only played 19 games in the course of 4 seasons.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/priestholmes/profile?id=HOL627237"]Link to career stats[/url]