Q On First Take

[D_UP]

I was watching Q on first take and the host asked what can be done to make offense more explosive. Someone crowd yelled get rid of cam cameron Q just started laughing pretty hard.

[yakraven]

a lot of players are making the rounds of the ESPN shows at Disneyworld.
Q was also on Mike and Mike earlier.

[The Prestige]

Here's what I don't understand: Harbaugh seems like a guy who takes pride in the product on the field.

Does he understand what a punchline Cam Cameron is now? On a lot of teams, an OC's personality AND the level of comfort in the system keep guys from speaking out against him. On THIS team, Derrick Mason, 'Donte Stallworth, Ray Lewis, Le'Ron McClain, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Joe Flacco have verbalized their desire for change on offense. Now, you have Anquan Boldin laughing. If Boldin - who worked with bad play-callers Todd Haley, Keith Rowen, Ken Whisenhunt and Steve Loney in Arizona - is laughing instead of defending Cam, what does that tell you?

Sure, I'm biased. Anquan Boldin is my favorite player and I believe he is the best receiver in the NFL. But, could his old coach Dave McGinniss not do a superior job of moving the ball consistently? Would Rich Rodriguez not bring something better to the table?

Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1299253563' post='649042']
I was watching Q on first take and the host asked what can be done to make offense more explosive. Someone crowd yelled get rid of cam cameron Q just started laughing pretty hard.
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I didn't hear it the first time I watched the segment, but that's definitely what that guy said. I wonder how hard it was for Q not to support that idea.

[Marc2k6]

Sometimes the truth hurts and other times the truth is just laugh out loud funny!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.
[/quote]

Who are they hiring to replace him?

[berad]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
Here's what I don't understand: Harbaugh seems like a guy who takes pride in the product on the field.

Does he understand what a punchline Cam Cameron is now? On a lot of teams, an OC's personality AND the level of comfort in the system keep guys from speaking out against him. On THIS team, Derrick Mason, 'Donte Stallworth, Ray Lewis, Le'Ron McClain, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Joe Flacco have verbalized their desire for change on offense. Now, you have Anquan Boldin laughing. If Boldin - who worked with bad play-callers Todd Haley, Keith Rowen, Ken Whisenhunt and Steve Loney in Arizona - is laughing instead of defending Cam, what does that tell you?

Sure, I'm biased. Anquan Boldin is my favorite player and I believe he is the best receiver in the NFL. But, could his old coach Dave McGinniss not do a superior job of moving the ball consistently? Would Rich Rodriguez not bring something better to the table?

Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.
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Being a punchline doesn't make you a bad coach/player. Rex Ryan is much maligned and although his teams haven't lived up to their hype and the players and coaches have been an embarrassment and media circus, they've still gone to the AFCCG twice in a row.

Eli Manning was a joke... until he won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer was laughed out of Tampa Bay, then he returned to hoist a sterling silver trophy. Tom Coughlin gets bashed by current and former players all the time, but he's still a very successful coach.

There are countless examples of guys who have turned their reputation around in one season and, also, of guys that have gone down in infamy for not changing their ways. The Ravens have made changes to the offensive side of the ball, in the coaching aspect. Call them subtle, but they will have an impact, for better or worse - but that's why they play the games.

It'd be a dumb idea to fire Cameron, now. For what? So we can hire a new OC and not have him communicate with the players until the CBA drama is over? I'll keep Cameron, and the offensive changes, especially in the current climate.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
Here's what I don't understand: Harbaugh seems like a guy who takes pride in the product on the field.

Does he understand what a punchline Cam Cameron is now? On a lot of teams, an OC's personality AND the level of comfort in the system keep guys from speaking out against him. On THIS team, Derrick Mason, 'Donte Stallworth, Ray Lewis, Le'Ron McClain, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Joe Flacco have verbalized their desire for change on offense. Now, you have Anquan Boldin laughing. If Boldin - who worked with bad play-callers Todd Haley, Keith Rowen, Ken Whisenhunt and Steve Loney in Arizona - is laughing instead of defending Cam, what does that tell you?

Sure, I'm biased. Anquan Boldin is my favorite player and I believe he is the best receiver in the NFL. But, could his old coach Dave McGinniss not do a superior job of moving the ball consistently? Would Rich Rodriguez not bring something better to the table?

Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.
[/quote]


My guess is Cam was retained largely because of the CBA uncertainty. If no new bargain is reached until this summer, which is highly likely, teams with new coaches will be at a significant disadvantage. The players and coaches will have very limited time to work together and install a new offnsive system. I am far from a Cam supporter, but I think keeping him for next year was probably a smart football move considering the circumstances. He knows this is his last season if he doesnt make some serious adjustments, so that may motivate Cam to shake his stubborn habits. Hopefully, Harbs' involvement in the offense will make a difference as well.

[The Prestige]

I gave two suggestions. I just don't think anyone could be worse than Cam.

Anquan Boldin is a stand-up guy. He only criticized Whisenhunt for sitting in contract negotiations and Haley for not letting him on the field for the most important drive in Cardinals history. In his first year as a Raven, he would sit on the sidelines, fuming, rather than rip someone on Baltimore.

I just think it's equal parts funny and sad that, the guy shouts that - and whether or not Boldin thought the mic caught it - he doesn't try to stop laughing or say "I'm only laughing because of how blunt that fan is". Maybe elevate the quarterbacks coach...oh wait. Elevate the receivers coach and bring in someone who has properly used Boldin before as an offensive adviser.

[Romo Ravens]

Is the video up on the Internet? Would like to see it

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1299266815' post='649149']
Is the video up on the Internet? Would like to see it
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[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/25319/video-ravens-wr-anquan-boldin"]Here[/url]

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299266694' post='649148']
I gave two suggestions. I just don't think anyone could be worse than Cam.
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McGinnis has never coached the offensive side of the ball, much less been an offensive coordinator. Rodriguez has never coached at the NFL level in any capacity.

[Corvus]

We had experienced guys to replace Cam in Hue Jackson and Al Saunders and let them both leave over the last two seasons.

It is what it is, hopefully Cam with a constantly burning flame under his tail will bring some changes about, but I'll believe it when I see it this fall, and I truly hope we do see it for our defense's sake..

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1299265006' post='649136']
My guess is Cam was retained largely because of the CBA uncertainty. If no new bargain is reached until this summer, which is highly likely, teams with new coaches will be at a significant disadvantage. The players and coaches will have very limited time to work together and install a new offnsive system. I am far from a Cam supporter, but I think keeping him for next year was probably a smart football move considering the circumstances. [b]He knows this is his last season if he doesnt make some serious adjustments,[/b] so that may motivate Cam to shake his stubborn habits. Hopefully, Harbs' involvement in the offense will make a difference as well.
[/quote]

And I ask once again, having never received an answer, how exactly do you know that? I've seen absolutely nothing coming out of the FO or Harbaugh to even lay any blame for our offensive woes at Cam's feet let alone insinuate that Cam is walking on thin ice here. Every one keeps trying to say "this is it for Cam" but I have seen nothing that would indicate that in the least aside from fan comments.

I don't think it had anything to do with the CBA. Harbaugh placed blame elsewhere and defended Cam and now we are stuck with him. As for Harbaugh's involvement in the offense, he is a ST guy. He has no experience there. He may have a knack for it, he may not.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.
[/quote]
Though I'm upset that Cam wasn't let go, I've resigned myself to the fact that the team is stuck with Cam, and in a way, I'm OK with it: 1) Cam is taking on more responsibilities, so the offense is [i]all[/i] on him, good and bad; 2) There's not many options on the market in terms of viable replacements; 3) The (possibly) impending work stoppage would eliminate days from the offseason that would be used to install a new offense, so better to stick with the same offense than risk going into the 2011 season with a new offense that the team didn't have time to install.

Remember, while the popular consensus is that Cam Cameron is the root of the problem, there are many other factors that went into the decision to retain him, most of them revolving around this current labor strife.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1299300925' post='649347']
Though I'm upset that Cam wasn't let go, I've resigned myself to the fact that the team is stuck with Cam, and in a way, I'm OK with it: 1) Cam is taking on more responsibilities, so the offense is [i]all[/i] on him, good and bad; 2) There's not many options on the market in terms of viable replacements; 3) The (possibly) impending work stoppage would eliminate days from the offseason that would be used to install a new offense, so better to stick with the same offense than risk going into the 2011 season with a new offense that the team didn't have time to install.

Remember, while the popular consensus is that Cam Cameron is the root of the problem, there are many other factors that went into the decision to retain him, most of them revolving around this current labor strife.
[/quote]
Agree completely. If he screws up again, we can expect him to be let go next season. I hope he doesn't, though.

[RedFire]

cam draws up good plays...he just has bad timmming. so it's no point in firing him since we don't have time to install a new offense. Cam has plays drawn up across the middle as we saw in the KC games and prolly some down the field for donte stallworth....CAM JUST DOESN'T CALL THEM! maybe harbaugh or whoever will do better calling some plays as well....cam can keep drawing them up all day IMO, but he shouldn't be calling/timming the plays.

[FerrariFan87]

Love Q... what a great player, and even better person.

[BloodRaven]

Oh wow I haven't seen Q since week 7, it's good to have him back.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1299336877' post='649428']
Oh wow I haven't seen Q since week 7, it's good to have him back.
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ZINGER ALERT

[Jillester]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1299265006' post='649136']
My guess is Cam was retained largely because of the CBA uncertainty. If no new bargain is reached until this summer, which is highly likely, teams with new coaches will be at a significant disadvantage. The players and coaches will have very limited time to work together and install a new offnsive system. I am far from a Cam supporter, but I think keeping him for next year was probably a smart football move considering the circumstances. He knows this is his last season if he doesnt make some serious adjustments, so that may motivate Cam to shake his stubborn habits. Hopefully, Harbs' involvement in the offense will make a difference as well.
[/quote]

As much as I dislike Cam's style, [b]THIS[/b] is the only logical answer as to why he's still on board the Ravens ship. And....maybe because of the bro-love between him and Harbs [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/th_consoling2.gif[/img]

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
Here's what I don't understand: Harbaugh seems like a guy who takes pride in the product on the field.

Does he understand what a punchline Cam Cameron is now? On a lot of teams, an OC's personality AND the level of comfort in the system keep guys from speaking out against him. On THIS team, Derrick Mason, 'Donte Stallworth, Ray Lewis, Le'Ron McClain, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Joe Flacco have verbalized their desire for change on offense. Now, you have Anquan Boldin laughing. If Boldin - who worked with bad play-callers Todd Haley, Keith Rowen, Ken Whisenhunt and Steve Loney in Arizona - is laughing instead of defending Cam, what does that tell you?

Sure, I'm biased. Anquan Boldin is my favorite player and I believe he is the best receiver in the NFL. But, could his old coach Dave McGinniss not do a superior job of moving the ball consistently? Would Rich Rodriguez not bring something better to the table?

Stop the bleeding. It's not too late to fire Cam.
[/quote]
why qq sooooo much? our offensive numbers have consistently went up since he came here and are way up from the OC before him

our best year before cam was 06

'06 13-3-0 passing:328comp 524att 62.6% 3,535yds 21td
rushing:476att 1637yds 3.4y/a 102.3y/g 11td
top: 32:48
now compare the dreaded cam years to the best statistical season of the previous inconsistent ll years
(coming off of one of the worst seasons in team history [7-9] with a rookie qb from a dev2-a school and a thin wr corps.)
'08 11-5 passing:261comp 433att 60.3% 3085yds 16td
rushing:592att 2367yds 4.0y/a 148.5g/a 20td
time of possession: 33:10
first year with not much to work with more total yards + td= better production

'09 9-7 passing:321comp 510att 62.9% 3,637yds 21td
rushing:468att 2200yds 4.7y/a 137.5y/g 22td
top: 29:33
aside from rushing yards per game all o numbers are up= better production

'10 12-4 passing:308comp 491att 62.7% 3,629yds 25td
rushing:487att 1831yds 3.8y/a 114.4y/g 11td
top: 31:20
now, this is why you want him fired. it seems like a slump in production with a revamped o, but i still see production and improvement. with 13 less comp. joe had almost identical production with more tds. i feel alright with calling that progression and have to cite the scheme of cam for said production. plus we are still better than we were when we were at our best in '06 in all categories (except top for 1:28)

the man is here because he has value with the FO and coaches, value that he earned with production

p.s.
haha forgot about '96.... it was so long ago! but i still make a valid point (to high school aged readers)

[Jillester]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1299300699' post='649345']
And I ask once again, having never received an answer, how exactly do you know that? I've seen absolutely nothing coming out of the FO or Harbaugh to even lay any blame for our offensive woes at Cam's feet let alone insinuate that Cam is walking on thin ice here. Every one keeps trying to say "this is it for Cam" but I have seen nothing that would indicate that in the least aside from fan comments.

I don't think it had anything to do with the CBA. Harbaugh placed blame elsewhere and defended Cam and now we are stuck with him. As for Harbaugh's involvement in the offense, he is a ST guy. He has no experience there. He may have a knack for it, he may not.
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I would like to think that Cam's returning, [b]under fire[/b], as Offensive Coordinator for the upcoming season could lead to his demise if positive results aren't forthcoming. The 2011 season is the last year of his contract with the Ravens. Any renegotiates thereafter may be held hostage by the offensive performance stats. He either shines or he burns out. I prefer the former and but suspect the latter given his recent history.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Jillester' timestamp='1299342599' post='649450']
I would like to think that Cam's returning, [b]under fire[/b], as Offensive Coordinator for the upcoming season could lead to his demise if positive results aren't forthcoming. The 2011 season is the last year of his contract with the Ravens. Any renegotiates thereafter may be held hostage by the offensive performance stats. He either shines or he burns out. I prefer the former and but suspect the latter given his recent history.
[/quote]
im okay with that

[T-Sizz]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1299253563' post='649042']
I was watching Q on first take and the host asked what can be done to make offense more explosive. Someone crowd yelled get rid of cam cameron Q just started laughing pretty hard.
[/quote]

dude how did you catch that? I could barely hear it...

[D_UP]

[quote name='T-Sizz' timestamp='1299350939' post='649476']
dude how did you catch that? I could barely hear it...
[/quote]
I have surround sound.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1299263471' post='649116']
If Boldin is laughing instead of defending Cam, what does that tell you?

[/quote]
it tells me he was doing a live interview and was caught off guard by a random outburst.....or how about the way he scoffs and then leers over his shoulder while laughing as if to say what a dope comment

see, i can project my own meaning on it too

[TDubbs]

Q is the man! Stand up guy and one hell of a wideout

[T-Sizz]

I hope we're not willing to sacrifice an good season just to have a better reason to fire cam. we need a preemptive strike

[izvoodoo]

The only reason cam is here is because we don't know if there will be a training camp. If you had a new OC and no training camp, it'd be terrible. If there were labor certainty, we'd probably have a new OC.

I have no problem with cam designing plays, I would like Joe to be more of a play caller though.

I will say this:

Offense will be better next season, but still under performing.